fair, quick remind in our top story some al jazeera european interior ministers have held an emergency meeting in brussels to dress tensions over migration, and the fate of people rescued in the mediterranean figures from the e border and coast guard agency show more than 280000 asylum seekers arrived in europe this year. that doesn't include the 4000000 ukranian refugees have been granted permission to stay in europe. dominic k has more. it is not particularly surprising, given that the mood music here was that it was unlikely that a definitive solution would emerge from this meeting. while i've been lots of warm words, i have a statement from the cheque ministry of the interior of the minister of the interior, rather who obviously has been presiding over this and says effectively that today's meeting ministers reiterate, reiterated that commitment to finding concrete common solutions that can be put in place immediately while working closely together on concluding the ongoing migration reform. as soon as possible. china reported a record hiv new coven 19 infections for the 2nd day running. nearly 33000 were registered on friday. that's the most in the 24 hour period since the pandemic began. almost 2000 of those cases were in the capitol basing, where most residents have been advised to stay home. the city sang to john cling, have the highest number of cases restrictions have been imposed on the china 0 colon policy, including lock cents and mass testing. m 23 reval. say they reject caused by east african leaders to withdrawn the song from territories they've taken in democratic republic of congo at the group, which is why we believe to be backed by rwanda said in a statement, it would respect to see fox would retaliate if attacked by congress these forces rwanda's repeatedly denied accusations that it supports m 23 reps in brazil, at least 3 people have been killed and several others injured. when a shooter gunman opened far at 2 schools in the south eastern state of a city to some to the attacks happened in the small town of r. a cruise official say a teenager and military attire open fire 2 schools, one private and one public. that the suspect is thought to still be missing up front is next. and we'll see you later. news news, news. news would price a spiraling out of control and warnings of a looming recession economist ringing the alarm when the united kingdom of economy . so will new prime minister still next policies make things better or worse for the majority of people in the country. that conversations coming up. but 1st, we often talk about climate change with logan about our future. but for many of the realities of the climate crisis have already hit home just this past year. rising temperatures destroyed food harvest across india and pockets on east africa push millions to bring us our patients and wildfires. have it in the united states. is it too late? they play, it will ask renown environmental it's broadcaster and hope that the canadian broadcasting corporation, the nature of thing is we headliner the david suzuki. thank you so much for joining me on upfront. my pleasure to be here at newport by the united nations has warned that we are nowhere near our target of limiting rising temperatures to 1.5 degrees celsius by the end of the century. and in fact, the un say current commitments from governments are on track to increase emissions by 10.6 percent over 20 years. why are government so apathetic when it comes to tackling what is arguably the most dangerous crisis of our time? we're too smart for our own good. we've created institutions, you know, we're one species. if you look at the nerves, in the sense organs and our brains from a place to place, it's all, they're all the same because we're one species. but we've created all of these institutions, human constructs, religion, economics, politics, legal systems, all of these are human oriented and human based. we think we're at the top of the heap and everything is out there for us. while right from the beginning, then we're, we're destined to fail to grapple with it because you've got the rich countries in the poor countries. you've got resource rich countries and those that don't, they're all arguing about this one common crisis, which is that we've loaded the atmosphere with too much too much greenhouse gas. and we're trying to deal with it through our own national interests. and it just won't work. we've got to read green the planet because it's all the green things that remove carbon from the atmosphere and give us oxygen by the way. so if we don't come to grips with that, that the uh, the challenge that we've got that we know what the problem is. we know what the solution is, but we think we're so important. we've got to protect our economy. we've got to protect our, our national interests, and we'll just invented technology that will get out of this. look, we've had how many cop meetings on the atmosphere now? 2627, who had the largest delegation there at that meeting. the fossil fuel industry, $500.00 official delegates at the cop $26.00 meeting in glasgow. what the hell we know they're the cause and they have to then do what we say. we have to do to deal with it, but they're right in their monkey wrenching whole programs. do you think anything is gonna happen now with the leading in egypt? hell, no. we're still arguing from the same point, but what about actually which i say, but they, what about some of the material impacts of climate change? because the idea of saying that scientists predict this, or the reading say that for many people is still somewhat abstract, right? but when we look at something like global hunger, right, climate change is the 2nd leading cause of global hunger. right now the world has an unprecedented hunger crisis. there are more than 345000000 people living in an acute state of food insecurity. this past year we saw a devastating drought. they killed 3000000 lives stock in ethiopia, in kenya, and in pakistan, over 40000000 acres of farmland were destroyed in floods. i mean this stuff is viewable unseeable. it's something that people can feel and understanding it. we're still not responding. as you point out, researchers are saying the rising global temperatures is inevitable and will reach that 1.5 celsius increase by round 2033. if all this happens, what does the world look like at that point? and will that be enough to, to motivate people to make change? look at the median now are just reporting the, the unalterable truth that climate change is kicked in. and, and we're, we're in trouble where the heck was the media back when, when environmentalists were saying climate change is real, you know, in 19 they will ignoring, of course and media. we're ignoring it. one is who owns a great deal of the media, at least in north america. it's people like rupert murdoch, they have an agenda and that influences look just look at fox news and see the kind of agenda and priorities they have. and truth certainly is not one of them. you bend all of that, but more important than that, the media, you, the media look at things in bits and pieces. and it's all about today's news. and what we report today is, yesterday or yesterday is today's old news. so constantly and especially with 24 hour news channels now constantly turning through stuff and the attitude is all global warming. what the hell? that's old news. those guys have been saying that for years there's no serious discussion about this because it goes to the very root of where we are and how we are living. look in 1988. there was enough concern about climate change that a major conference was held in toronto. there were over 40 countries represented there, including about 20 cabinet members. and at the end of that conference, they said in the press release, global warming represents a threat 2nd only to all out global nuclear war. and they called for a 20 percent reduction in 15 years. there was the science was in the concern of governments around the world was in the call for a concrete target was in, we did nothing to try to meet that target and we could have avoided the whole issue if we had taken those steps. but we've been, as you've just pointed out, as you just point out that we've had the prediction, we've been able to see the future and we still ignore it. i'll give you another example of it back in 1959. the oil industry just celebrated its 100 birthday and with over 300 oil industry execs. government officials, scientists, everybody was president of physicist. doctor edward teller was his name. he warned the crowd that a 10 percent increase in carbon dioxide in the atmosphere would be quote, sufficient to melt the ice cap and submerge new york. all the coastal cities would be covered. they knew the dire effects of oil extraction all the way back than 63 years ago, and they did nothing environmentalist bill. mckibben said that this was the most consequential cover up in human history abs. how does this happen? how is allowed to happen? this is the lack of foresight this we know what was going to has. well, exactly, and it's because of the, the clock clouding of that. we had foresight that got us ahead. that was necessary for our survival. but now we've created things like corporations and their sole reason for existence is to make money. the more money, the better. that's a measure of success. these are not stupid or evil people that are they had of corporations. their job is to make money. they knew in 1965, frank, i card the c e o or president of the american petroleum institute, said it, burning coal. oil and gas is warming the planet. and by the year 2000, if we continue this way, could very well be out of human control. they knew it. exxon's own site is james black said in 1970. he said that our product is causing the planet to warm up. they've known. so what went on, instead of saying, oh, we've got a, we've got to start to going for alternative energy. we're energy companies. they said no, we're oil companies, and we've got to keep making money. and so they threw that money into hiring people who used to work for the tobacco industry to say, no, no, no, the evidence isn't in. this is natural sunspots all, all his garbage. no we are, they denied, denied, denied. and not only that, but they tried to shut down those people who were actually saying, we've got to do something now. so it's a money and profit have driven the a, the, the future of a corporate oil companies. and a, you know, you see the result 500 delegates at the glasgow comp meeting were for the fossil fuel industry. what's going on there, the cause of the problem? and they're, they're negotiating that we should be telling them what they have to do, not negotiating. let me, let me ask you about tax. let's talk a little bit about tactics. because recently we've seen some high profile incidents where environmental activists have targeted famous artwork. for example, in the united kingdom activists with a just stop oil movement through cans of soup on a van gogh painting. undoubtedly this drew attention to climate change, but it has glass. it's not glass covering it up. what tails? the problem, you just take a rag and wipe it was a, it was a but a little bit doesn't help me. i guess the question is, does it help though? i mean, some people say this draws attention to the problem, which is the point of certain times math and reading the spectacle. obviously, it hurts the efforts more than it helps the efforts. when you say, why does it hurt the efforts? it at least makes people who think realize that, oh my god, they're jumping up and down because of this one action. and meanwhile, we oil the surface of the oceans. we're storing, we're cutting forest down, we're doing all kinds of things and nobody's jumping up and down anywhere near like spraying a bell, throwing a bit of the or soup on to at the glass of a art piece. what they hack it. i mean, man as nothing, you know, and what, what, when are we going to have a serious conversation and start acting like this is the crisis. it really is. and, and stop bo, i mean, my god, if we're upset about that, this is what extinction. rebellion is done in, in england, you know, blockading roads or are bridges and man people get paid off about that. but guess what people have to think about that. why are they doing this? why are they going to jail about this? don't you think maybe there's something we ought to consider for point after 44 years of hosting the canadian broadcasting corporations, the nature of things, which is a show about science in the wonders of the world. you've decided to move on. you stated something recently that i found interesting. you said overall, i feel like a failure being part of a movement that has failed. those are chilling words to me. i'm. is it you say failed? it is too late to save the planet. ah, i have grandchildren. i can't say it's too late, but you know, this is another thing that really bothers me. i look at the median, our taking an environmental as seriously, and they give us time now to say how bad things are the kind of things you said at the beginning of this, this interview. you know, terrible things are happening now and we have no idea what i had. but now the interviewers always say at the end, well, are there any good things that are happening will, can you give us some hope? what the hell we've been warning about the problem all these years. now you want us to give you hope. it's still the same old same old. we got to make money. trees are an important resource. we've got to lock them and cut them down. we need the energy from that river dammit and you know, it's the same old, same old. so environmental is i don't consider this in my personal failure. i mean, i'm just one person. but the movement that i'm a part of, we failed to shift the whole perspective. and that's the fundamental failure that underlies the caught meetings. if we don't shift the focus away, where profit and national interests are irrelevant until we, we recognize stopping contributing to greenhouse gases, re wilding the planet, is the highest priority. and then we say, how do we do this justly and equitably? only then will we be able to do something serious, get those fossil fuel companies out of that meeting. they've got no business being there a mrs. ok, thank you so much for joining us on a front. thanks the the bank of england warns that the united kingdom is expected to fall into its longest recession since records began in the 1900 twenty's. energy and food prices are soaring and inflation has reached double digits. rising to a scale. it's not been seen in 40 years at the top of a common economy. the country has been dealing with major political turmoil, the u. k, a theme 3 prime ministers in the last 3 months. so what does this mean for the future of the u. k. and what will the cost be the most vulnerable in society? joining me to discuss this is william davis, who's professor in political economy goldsmith, university of london, where he's also the co director of the political economy research center. thank you for joining me on upfront. as we just mentioned, the state of the u. k. economy is in shambles. the economist met kline analyzing what's happening right now even said take out greater london in the u. k. is one of the poorest countries in western europe. would it be safe to say that the u. k is no longer a major economic player in the world? well, by conventional indicators such as g d, p, and the size of the economy. of course the u. k remains one of the major players in the city of london certainly is one of the major financial centers in the world. i think the real problem u. k. has had really dating back to the global financial crisis. 2008 is it seems to have a deep inability to generate prosperity from across its regions, but also a serious inability to create the forms of jobs and the forms of employment and the forms of business which are actually wealth. creating a g d p per head is not very impressive. and the overall effect of this is u. k. finds it harder and harder to actually deliver the standard of living that many people expect from a what by other measure, the highly developed countries. so this is can manifest in increasingly threadbare public services writing child poverty levels. some scandalous examples of, of people living in conditions that the u. k. would not that long ago considered to be sort of shameful, instances belonging to sort of a 2nd to economic nation. so, so by so many social measures, certainly, i'd also measure the productivity group and business investment u. k is failing badly, is just that it also has a very long history of generating opportunities for rent extraction by financial services. mr. to how does that translate into actual conditions on the ground? you talked about it, the almost being that of a 2nd tier economic nation. how are people experiencing that? and are they pessimistic about the future because of younger generations have been amongst the greatest upper is one of the younger generations and graduates have found it increasingly hard to get into the sorts of jobs with the sorts of prospects that they considered to be sort of would have been considered normal in the $198900.00 ninety's. but there is also, i think, sort of science emerging now of some really acute forms of poverty. i mean, there was a recent case in rochdale in northern england, of a 2 year old boy who died from the fact there was such extensive mold in his parents flat that this effect to be led to ever spiritual miss that the killed the, to your boy and why re recently reported on this, and this was seen as a real sort of wake up call about what kind of society a we, we building here. where people purely because they have, they lack the means of the right to actually to, to improve that conditions. but also on the conditions where the cost of housing has become absolutely terrible. i mean, rent a currently rising, very, very quick in house, positive now funded beginning to full. but the cost of living crisis that we hear a lot about international environment has been kind of accumulating. but i think for many young people they say, you know, we've been living with this for a long time. and you've got people living in a, let's talk a little bit about responses to these. ty, price, inflation in general, right, is a problem. and economists generally say, if inflation is high, what do you do you raise interest rates? the bank of england has been doing just that interest rates have been going up, but it seems based on our indices that a, a continued rise could be devastating for just about everybody except the wealthiest people in society. we're also hearing that is winter approaches. over a 1000000 people in the u. k. will be forced into poverty. can anything be done to prevent a looming that they can nominate prices, but a broader social crisis for everybody just about? it's certainly the most vulnerable britain's. yeah, i think, i mean, these interest rate rises, which many people have pointed out, it will raise unemployment to a level where effectively prices start to stabilize because expectations of the, of a future inflation start to fall into. yes, these interest rate rises will certainly make it harder for market told us to, to meet their, that the, the costs on a monthly basis. we've also seen these massively spiral energy prices connected particularly to the board and ukraine. and the government has now reluctantly started to explore various forms of wind pull tax on the energy companies in, on the basis of that, making these kind of super normal profits at the moment. and of course, that could make a major impact if that money could be redistributed. i mean the, the major was amongst the major crises at the moment. if you've got a lot of people who are in work and some of them are doing work on which the rest of society depends, such as, you know, nothing teaching, teaching assistant driving ambulance in this sort of thing. and the people's monthly wage is not enough for them to survive. and these people are using food banks and these people are not able to, to stay in there and in the homes in which they've been, they've been living in this sort of thing. so i mean there's a kind of urgent issue because how to get more money into into some of these people's pockets. and there have been some, i mean, a running out of the answer about it. i mean, at some point expanding the welfare state has to be part of the solution when for taxes, right. and when for taxes on the, on the corporations as part of the answer in terms of revenue generation. one of the other ways to get there that also don't for the d, stabilize the economy? well, i mean, the trade unions mobilizing quite actively at the moment and they're mobilizing because they're saying that it a period of 10 or 11 percent inflation, you know, all of our members, their wage the following year on year at the moment. and that is having some effect, there are some victories being won by it in areas of things like the rail workers. and at the moment the recently been took a struct bite by nurses and, you know, they, they will get some gains from the, this industrial action. but i think gets ultimately, i mean, one of the, one of the, the sort of crimes really of the last 12 years under success protective governments might be as being particularly flashing public spending from aerosol. local government in the u. k. and level government delivers some of the most essential services. i mean, we basically have an extremely centralized, a political system, but the allocation of resources to things like children, services and the just keep children safe from home and social care, which is what looked up to elderly people help you know, the people can't watch themselves mister thing we've now got local councils which had to say were in danger of declaring us of bankrupt and then no one knows that one what happens. i mean, that's be some kind of bailout the central government, but they have no real tax raising powers like they would do in the united states, or they have no capacity to borrow money from the market. so at a certain point fiscal policy that taxation and spending really have to jump into some of the situations in order to prevent that of emergencies. but of course, this is exactly what the bank of england is cautioning against. and this is exactly what led to the, you know, the kind of standoff between this trust is 44 day rain as prime minister and the bank of england a lot. of course, the kinds of fiscal enlargements she was looking for was, was, was heavily skewed towards the rich. i mean, regardless of the risk of inflation that has to be and kathy targeted interventions prevents some sort of really serious emergencies. i think in relation to some of these problems of social earlier this month, former bank of england official, michael saunders said the u. k. economy as a whole has been permanently damaged by breakfast. if we hadn't had wrecked that, we probably wouldn't be talking about in all staring budget. how much of the current economic crisis has been exacerbated by breakfast? well, the, the economic indicators now pretty overwhelming. now on this, i mean the, one of the most important indicates mrs. is, is the rate of business investment, the growth and business investment, roughly track of, of germany and brought up to 2016. and the benefit to be fell off a cliff off 2016, which is the, the time of the referendum brackson exports from the u. k. have fallen drastically as a result of breakfast. the european union was by far the biggest trade partner of the u. k. up until breakfast was finally achieved wipers. johnson in 2020 and it's on surprisingly, there is now all sorts of blockages and paperwork and inefficiency rented the u. k . economy best. so i mean the, the, the, the damage to the u. k. economy, according to these quite sort of conventional indicators, is, is it overwhelming? you know, that it's a professor, you know, there are many people who have argued that the solution is just the return to the you rejoined the you. there are polls that suggest that there are protesting the st . demanding. this certainly is more complicated than that, but ultimately is there a way to repair the damage that has been done by breakfast. so alternately see the kind of economic stability and prosperity for everyone that you'd like to see. i think the problem that i've and it's true that you know there is now like a significant lead in the polls, cherry people, the people who believe breakfast, a mistake now significantly at number. those who believe that it was a good idea. i think no politician for quite a long time. well, no frontline position will demand that we return to the you because i mean an unfortunate to become a sort of untouchable topic for many politicians. i think partly because of the still outside a power of the newspapers in the newspapers on balance are very prob racks and they sort of retain this kind of a quick sort of nationalistic line that the european union is the enemy in some way . and i think that this is led to love of a sort of politicians to live in fear of about of a kind of reopening the debate. but i think that whether some better kind of trade agreement could be happy with the european union. i would, which i'm sure that there could be one, and it could also mean rejoining some of the other tears of european integration. this is a single market in the customs union, both of which, you know, could have been been could have remained in the single market or the customer union after 2016 and still left the european union in it, in its political constitutional form. that because of the power of the political right of the conservative party, rapidly became an impossibility over the course of 2016, 2017. because if that to be the bearer as big as when the political because because he retired as an option, professor davis, thank you so much for joining me on a friday. it's been a pleasure. thank you. all right, that is our show upfront. we'll be back to the ah and does we're surrounded by it. we buy and buy and buy as economies push for more and more growth. but consumerism is devastating the planet where do those resources come from? 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