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what do they expect us to do? of course, the mayor of mexico city actually strike a deal with air b and be there, back in the day. i'm curious, how has things evolved and what do you make of those concerns? ollander? well, to understand this concern, we have to fairs on their sand, as of course air b and b is not the region of all the problems of housing and urban cities right now . it's not the unique problem. it's maybe not the biggest one. what i do think is a deal breaker in governments, because when all the problematic of air b, m b arrives to a cd, it shows how the government understand the house in trouble on also how willing they are to guarantee the human rights of housing. what happen, mexico, cd is that of course the appearance of irby and the hop challenges. the housing of a lot of people am. if people get that then i'm up lation. but also what happened is that it shows how the house and politics in mexico had been running, for example. and right now in all mexico. now just mexico, cd only am 58 percent of the a least things of the rental has to read and contract. that means that the mass of the population and sorry, the 50 percent doesn't have reading contracts. that means the most of the population, they don't even have a paper that show that they hop right. and then i'm right. so you can imagine how busy that when appears something like or b and b. but yeah, i do, these, these kind of history are really am sad and terrible in mexico. and i see, you know, mar, you're nodding as we hear what the situations like to go city, we know, or i know i should say, didn't barcelona? recently? we've seen the, the city really take regulation seriously make threat directly to air b and b. but as we heard, you know, car, the thing, it's not just air b and b that brought about this problem. what can you share with us about sort of the scale of the problem in barcelona and what they're doing right? to address it. i think that we, we will arrange a fine way to way we would try not to, to address the problem directly in our so the city council has set up these, these set of regulations. but the program goes beyond n. r depictions beyond the idea that we not, we replace a population by, by another. no, it has also impacts and directing brackets, not under services in cities. so we are losing indices to center of our seller now, grocery shops and the shops we need for our neighbor. to not to perform and every they life now. so they impact, i think what it's important that they bugs go beyond. it's a new phenomenon that ev 5 years ago now, and i think it's really important that more a for me to it's going to know. i know that murray, it's here today because we having using he said he the data that they are providing actually to quantify the phenomena because it's the phenomena that we don't know how big it is. no. and if we the know how to quantify it, we cannot add react now, and we cannot provide value sam, that's of that. i mean, that's a perfect segue. i appreciate a data is critical, not just in this situation, but murray, particularly when we want to just understand what the actual problem is or problems that are compounded by some of these phenomenons that we've seen, like digital nomads and what have you, what comes to mind what is the data teaching you not just about barcelona mexico, but the city across, you know, this phenomenon across the world maybe being more right sir. so the data shows really clearly that people are not using air b and b just to share their a room in the house. most people are using are being be a host to rent their entire home, whether they're renting and temporarily when they're away, or they're renting it permanently. and also many host the building, these property portfolios where they have multiple properties on every be. so it, it is really important, every city is different whether the, the type of tourism, the type of housing, the other types of issues that they have. and so it's really important to use data to quantify how many of them they are there, or how does that compare that both number and the types of rent or the types of income that people are getting. the incentive to use every and b. i just want to add one although although short term rentals and every day my not be the biggest problem with housing it's, it can come to be the easiest problem to address gentrification and other other types of was for example, the rising cost of housing that their how to, to address the regulating ebi can be quite easy. a political will. right? and you know, when we talk about political, well, i want to ask you, you know, and i should probably say in full disclosure that we reached out to b and b, they provided this statement. they say over the last decade or b and b has worked with cities around the world to put in place regulations that balance the economic opportunity, short term rentals create while also protecting housing and supporting local tourism issues as well as you know, housing as well as over terror tourism they say are complex and nuanced issues and we will continue to work with governments around world to offer solutions that help support the responsible and sustainable growth of travel. now, i have to ask you, it's a lot of words in my mouth right there. but you know, air b and be sort of claiming if i'm not mistaken, you know that the majority of hosts on air b and b share just one home. and that, unlike other short term rental platforms, they work closely as you heard here to develop the sort of advanced regulatory framework. murray, you're kind of sharing a sneaky kind of smile there. what do you make of this statement? i mean, is it true that in good faith they are sort of leading the charge if you will, in terms of trying to address the issue? well, i'd like to make 2 points. so i, i do agree that it's a new issue. every and b is not cooperating with cities that they're fighting cities. they've got a team of lawyers, the boss alone or the regional, local and regional caught in the european court. the same thing in new york city, the sued the city a multiple times. so i don't agree with that. there was also, there was a claim in the statement that the majority of hosts only rent one. so that's technically true in many, many city that quote from us data in the united states. 63 percent of the listings are in on the type of property portfolio, but at the same time, the majority of host, the host only had one property. so both of these things can be true of the same time. and the fact that they brought, they said the majority of hosts only have a single listing. that's because a small number of host have a massive number of listing in the u. s. the one percent of hosts. they control 300000 apartments across, across the country. right. and so i don't think they're being, i don't, i don't think they're acting in good faith and then misleading. they try them to lead the public. and what, what are your thoughts on that? go ahead, go ahead. no just numbers as well. thing. go ahead. everyone wants to talk about whether or not the price go ahead. just to add a last thing to do with merrick, we're saying we have the same feat worse for spain, not bad. it's not becoming air, it's an economic activity that we are like mixing with housing and that, that in demo, fibrillation, it break it, it breaks all the social bags that we're, we're use all the tools that we have to address the problem back. it's becoming really, really difficult to, to, to regulate and until control and, you know, carla, when, when, and before i come to you, i want to share with you a video from our colleagues at ha plus, which really highlights the general tensions that are growing in mexico. not just because of the popularity of digital nomads and you know what the mayor did there, but even things that go beyond that, take a listen to this, but this is what some mexicans are calling modern colonialism. that influx of americans moving to mexico city to take advantage of lower living costs. other locals are calling it gentrification. a plague or even an invasion. why? oh, you're thinking of moving to mexico, sleep wow. nonsense termination. dot com. gentry occasionally the name of the game . some locals have benefited from increasing tourism for many that doesn't balance out rising costs and inflation. mexicans are also set up with americans, ignoring cultural and social norms in some complaints and certain places is more common than spanish. carla, does mexico have laws that specifically protect tenants? i mean, what's the public housing situation like there? and based on that video, i mean this perception of this being an invasion, how real is that and who's paying the price? ok about the idea of i mation that problem that we have just them. so in this video, i think it's true, but it's like just watching one movie from a star war, i'm believe that you understand the whole story. because i think that what we're seeing is like one episode, or really large and history of gentrification, housing problems in mexico. of course, the appearance of people and digital know much from us and other countries from europe to mexico has became, you know, problematic because obviously the other rush of the middle class and us has more income than the others of the middle class in mexico city. that's true, but where they are and moving to our neighbors, that has already been in general education process. i mean, all these process, all these problematic a start with mexicans, with more income than other mexicans. what we are seeing is people from us that are using this problem, a process just like jumping up on the train. what is like a larger it's story. and i think that yeah, this is a problem. we can just like them faking we're blind, that we are not understanding that people from us have more income. some people from mexico. what at the same time i don't think it's up for itself on immigration problem. i never, i think that immigration is never a problematic. what happened is that they come to mexico with mark um, but also they come to a cd on a country with our without a real house in politics. i already said we have even problems with some basic us having reading contract. so it's not just saying that all our people from us is part of the dynamic food. we have to talk about what the government has not doing in the life, 45 and in mexico just for legend. 2 mexico, it's all right, and i'm finished with this point mexico, the 1st country in the war that it has our constitutional weight, social rights including housing. but the thing time, and their house in politics in us is stronger, are more guaranteed that a, the mexican one. so it's like are really trying to really are what is our reality so right. we have, we have to feel them was a forward and i want to share with everybody. this is a reality that's not just happening in barcelona and mexico in new york. murray, where you do a lot of your research and work, but people in our chat on youtube really, i are very inspired by this topic. for example, i want to share with you sonny, who says i live in a tourist area. you can find plenty of air b and b's for 1000 a week, but rentals for residence almost nonexistent, richer city, people buy here too. so local, get priced out as taxes go up. so you know this narrative not unique to these places. i have a question, i'll put it out there may be mar or marie, feel free to answer this but garbage girl. thing in our chat on youtube. are there any countries currently that we should be looking to as goals for regulating stuff like this? murray, i know that barth alone is doing some things. right. what's your answer yet? i think many cities so been thinking about and dealing with this problem for some time passing on as a good example. other examples amsterdam. they only allow you to rent out your primary residence, residence and no more than 30 days in the year. new york city has effectively band short term rental except except if your, if the host is present. so they come on the rent rooms. so there, there are good examples of cities that have regulated air b and b. and so there are other templates everywhere. power, paris had some good regulation. sure. mar. what do you, what do you think? i mean barcelona is hail that the city that's taking this seriously. what, what can you share with us about what's working there, but then also in your mind, i mean, i'm, i'm, i'm curious. do you think that it's possible to have, you know, a sustainable tourist destination that's truly vibrant that have tourists coming in, but that's protecting it's resonance. yeah. do to respond to the 1st of the 1st time how barcelona address it. it's aids of really technical a way of doing, but am, we are not regulating the number of days that you can stay in the fairmont the number of days that you can rent it. but actually we are at the like the city council. the finally meet of her number of, of, of rental apartments that week was coughing to city and also we, we booked like a kind of gas was number and from back to know we cannot go beyond to not. and that result into core as an or strategy that it's really based know on, on an on objective for a meter. so now at, at the moment under these regulation it's, it's actually not, it's, it's, it's working and i see that the pine now air of all, no, and i, it very much related to, to do that to do these idea of node or to these example offer mexico, we are, we are supposed to have a really not as other a european cities are that alone every leave of host a housing policy. and that means know that and we are trying to address this accessibility to housing as a city. but we have a problem with that which a we had a really attractive sitting, you know, we haven't really cheap ever. and that means now that this digital not much want to be in barcelona so that it's putting us in a situation where we have this tension between 2 global and also global paulson and, and, you know, and, you know, and i, i do want to share just in full transparency, i've spent the last few months living in barcelona and one of the touristy areas called elburn. and obviously the city than i, i understand the appeal about why people are attracted to it. but just to emphasize that point that you made more of that, you know, there has to be a balance that is working for all parties. and hopefully that's not only prioritizing tourism or any, any sort of industry. i do want to share with our audience a video from natasha. the name a colleague of mine here at al jazeera from about a year ago, right. highlighting sort of the trend that the city's been struggling with. let's take a look initially, carlos barrel cow thought he and his mother would leave quiet leap as his neighbors had for 25 years. they've called this 4 bedroom flat in barcelona home. that he realised finding another apartment anywhere in the city for the $685.00 a month, they've been paying is impossible. he's been fighting eviction for the past 4 years . i think that by the day, this is affecting me emotionally. i my mother, even more, i've had to distance her from all of the struggle because of her illness. but it's impossible to do that completely. you know, i keep seeing these videos, i keep hearing these sort of stories. that sounds similar and i can't help but wonder if, if really one of the things that needs to happen is to refrain how we discussed this issue. both in barcelona and mexico and everywhere. we have a housing activist from mexico, carla, that sent us a video where she sort of suggests that this phenomenon really needs to be recognized and framed as a human rights problem. i want to get your thoughts after this. take a look, government master dressed as a complex problem link with real estate dynamics, labor market migration and the mcgrath. it changes not just or is the consequence. that is why there are no steps to follow. we have to back to basics on the star, rec, amazing dis balloon as a human rights problem. it could be surprising, but many countries just recognize them as a financial instrument. general recommendations are creating addiction containment mechanisms, restricting the number of flowers on these platforms, giving 10 your security. they bring far more contrast between tenants, alerts and taxing owners and tourism. carla, what do you think? well, i agree with michael lee. good colleague, maddie adela, and i to believe that am here in mexico, maybe another conference. i know that their discussion in spain for example, is a little bit different. but for example, in mexico, i think no wants or almost no one in dow with about that. how thing is that you want to write this struggle? it is about what does it mean? housing as like human rights? a lot of people say, dad, am housing us, the human rights mean the right to buy a house. it, it means if you have been comes to buy a house, that's your right and as the housing am right. but a lot of people think that a housing is also all the options and all the efforts of the government. yeah. to achieve asagwa that no, once an estate on the streets and that has a space for rehabbing them. so that's his problem right now in mexico. no, and i appreciate you friend me not. i just want to jump in for audience to, to just highlight something i found interesting, which is that the mayor and mexico recently, i believe, said that there is no link between rental of struggles and air b and b's presidents. and i think that, that, that, that's important, that we kind of, you know, i have friends for example, who've traveled to mexico their, their talented artists, their entrepreneurs. and obviously they were attracted to the cheapest standard of living, but a really good quality of life. and the rich cultural diversity of mexico on carla, are they the problem? i mean, i can't help but wonder like, you know, are, is that a desire to go after the pandemic and maybe build the business in mexico rather than new york city? is that that alone a problem? i mean, i think that will be a really simplistic answer. i think that human i know simplicity, question perhaps but, but where do you think? sorry, not. no, but i understood. yeah, but i don't think it's as complete as because a lot of people, sorry, a lot of people don't know. you know they, they're, there may be watching the show or they're reading some article. they're like, maybe they have a conscience and they're there. they're worried. oh, my god, my, the problem like now but, but as of yet i think that the answer all become a simplistic but another question. because as i told you, this is another problem just of us in mexico because there are some mexican people dar, gentrifying, some mexican neighbors. so even i, rich mexican can go to us and gentrify your neighbor in some city. i mean, the question here is, am, how do we have rules on m as specific as standards? she'll achieve the goal that they're housing and the city is bry, your eyes as secure. right? and we guarantee that no one is going to lose their house because these economic activity and at the same time and leave that people to have these activity is not impossible, but it's on right in discussion, even parcel. i know that they have do a lot of em big stories and that eastern uses struggle is a new discussion. we're just like maybe 10 years with this discussion. and that's why we're having this discussion. i want to give you the last word, mar, anything to share quickly with our audience before we run out of time here. very quickly, i just came back to your last question, how we are going to i imagine that we are going to be an unsustainable student tourism destination in the, in the next years i explanation my, my life fine. not best to learn. i think get, we have been really attractive. now we have these for him. we still use them. we have leverage call each how much we're. we're dependent on these to do is a activities and how we need to change. actually another way we survive, not as a city, but then we are going to have climate change. we are going to have heat waves. so the also the interactions between c d 's. yeah, no, and the at the, the areas that i used to be attractive in the future, i want to change. right. and with so much changing since coven alone. and i would anticipate many more changes to com. it's certainly a good point that we need to be prepared for all those changes. i want to thank you marie. carla mar for being with us today. this is an important conversation. we're gonna continue to be watching here at the stream. it's all for today. but remember, you can always find us online at stream dot al jazeera dot com. thanks for watching . ah, how do you see control information? 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