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The original sculptures were removed from athens in the early 19th century by lord, elegant, the British Ambassador to the ottoman empire, greece once her National Treasures black, currently housed in the British Museum in london. As you can see here, what will it take for the pos and marbles to go . How you can join this discussion has been going on. 4 o 2100 is at least you can jump on here into the comment section. Be part of todays shot. As a student is classics in the 970. I believe there were good reasons for keeping the parson sculptures in england. First, they were an integral li, acquired part of the British Museums collection. Certainly there were safer mountains and traffic bathrooms, apparently returning them as a terrible precedent food. So all the rice and now im a classics professor. I know that all those organs are invalid on very few objects of such iconic status. If they do, they to should be return the times or the position is integrated, own display of the partner, freeze in whole color and to replace it mobiles to the home the methods. So theyre not passing and sculptures in the British Museum. Janice tristan alleys dont get to have a fairly hey, on the show. Youngest, please sally to audience around the world. Tell them who you are. What . 80 . Hello for me. Hello everyone. My name is young. You sandwich or close, or i think that you didnt want to pronounce my name because hes now yes. Yeah, no, i dont. I with i with you because of this discussion. So im the long in correspondence for a quick daily newspaper called tom. Now been based in london for almost 7 years and as you can imagine, ive been covering the bottom of mozilla. Oh my goodness. Of course i can imagine totally tristram. So a nice to have you. Please introduce yourself to our audience around the world. Tell them who you are, what you do briskly. Hello for me. Im lovely to be here with you. Im tristram, best of and im a retired u. K. Museum director who is guilty guilty of returning material in our collections to the source community. And im a now a freelance advisor and the help of the museums to do the same, such a troublemaker tristin gets a hat here. Hello, welcome to the show. Please tell our audience here you are 180 briefly. Hello everyone. Its likely to be here. My name is that the silence and im the Vice President of the australian pop and on committee and co founder of the acropolis research group. And we have been that, well, many in that committee have been active on the campaign for 20 to 25 years. Ive been in the campaign for 10 years and im just very passionate about the issue. So we also push museum to be part of this conversation. And as they typically think, they sent a statement rather than a past said, this is what they said to us. We will loan the sculptures as we do many other objects to those who wish to display them to the public around the world. Presently they will look after them and return them any. If youd like me to comment on that, please take the filter. Well, what they say in that sentence is that they require anyone loaning to sign a waiver, an ownership waiver, which of course the hellenic government is well unable to do that. Its just not possible for them to sign an ownership waiver. So thats why its not possible for them to be loaded to grace given and they had a lunch to come to the home. A teach me same in russia. 11 pitman that pace was us several years ago, but yes, its the ownership waiver, which the hellenic government will not find just of im just amazed that were even having a discussion about this. There is no debate anymore. Is that, is it even possible to be neutral on the path and sculptures and where they should truly be housed . Well, im professionally as well as personally embarrassed that the British Museum consistently refuses to enter into up constructive public dialogue. There has been a sea change in museums right across the u. K. Over the last 20 years or so. And the focus has moved away from sort of ownership of stuff to how does, how does the museum and what it holes relate to people to communities, either the communities who live around the museum or the communities from which to the material came. Its all about conversations, its all about giving people a voice. And im, it embarrasses me that the British Museum is so far behind the curve in having that kind of constructive dialogue. Because having led it myself in manchester, where we had big diaspora communities for all over the world, but particularly from africa. What happens is when you give them a voice and empower them in the museum, the museum start stirred. Sprout wings, and we learn so much more and the people who use the museum here, other voices, it becomes a more vibrant, interesting, and exciting place. Everybody wins. So they idea that youve got this museum sitting in the middle of bloomsbury that holes so much material from all around the world. But were here specifically talk to talk about the parthenon. Sculptures refuses to have that conversation. And i can explain in a moment why that is, is a matter of professional embarrassment. I was just tapping to that wouldnt say whats in light. Now the honest this is tom, tom flinn says no and em, how he lun stolen goods to their rightful owner. Yes, well, thats a good point and thats precisely why the Big Government cost consistently has refused to contemplate. The esther along solution reese wants a modest bug to be reunited in others with the rest of the madness, permanently not as alone. And im slightly optimistic that well, well get there in the near future. Why are you optimistic . Well, i didnt know yet assist in the British Museum storms. What i can see for sure is that sense of language. Let me remind everyone of the president itself across the British Museum, George Osborne sort of a couple of months ago that there is a deal to be done. So thats built on the statement and tried to reach a deal with his resume. All right, and what is it like a somebody whos going to have your treasures in a British Museum . What does that feel like . Well, look, i think come, this is a to folk thing. There are lanes like myself in the great diaspora and also phil helene. And so i dont think i dont think you can differentiate. I think phil helene, feel strongly about this issue as elaines, but as a helene icons, i can say that it term as, as the famous molina, mccurry said, you know, they are our heart there are. So there our passion, i mean, we are very aware that we have a very long, a long history. They were carved and created here 2 and a half baths. And we go in athens and, and we as great, they were very strongly that they should be re, united, not just, not just they, they need to be reunited as, as part of the building. And they cant be on the building. But the next best thing, of course, is the acropolis miss him to be as one at work. And i think fill her lanes around the world. Agree with that. Can you tell people who are not . Hennings, what and helene is. Well, as lane, i guess its someone that identifies the same great as great parents and ancestry, great parents and grandparents. So populous museum was built because the british muslim said, well, in athens, you dont have anyone suitable to put your an treasures in. So then the greeks built this incredibly Beautiful Museum and then the vision was him still didnt get the treasures back to scan. Yet because of a 2 acts which the boy but his music and to give away whats in the museum that they probably looted or stole all acquired an unethical ways destined. Well i, i do want to pay tribute to am greece fo. Ready buildings such a Beautiful Museum, it is absolutely stunning. And at the very top floor is like a great big glass case that looks across the valley to the acropolis. And you can see the parthenon with as you walk around the, the sculptures. But just to go back to the point that any was making and connected with what are saying about relationships in this dysfunctional relationship between britain and greece. There are 3 players. Theres the greek government, theres a British Museum. And there is the British Government. And the reason that the 2 National Governments are so important is that by statute that was passed in 1963, the British Museum is not allowed to divest itself of certain thing of anything in the collection unless it made certain conditions. And thats why we have this, mary, go round of the British Museum saying we can discuss it because were forbidden from parting with these, this material by actor parliament and the poem and parliament says, we cant discuss it because its British Museum business. So you go round and round in a wonderful, i still like that just and surely thats going to be tailored. Right. Its not a huge you go happy. Its a built in an ad st yet. So you dont have to return the path. And scott, its a wall, its a little, its the know exactly, and if you, if you look me are the, what, what chris them just describe is, is what we call increase a game of ping pong, are doing that with British Museum and the British Government. Because this machine says that because of the British Museum, asked that we cannot give you the mob was back until the other hand, the British Government says museum is the owner of the models. Dont talk to me, talk to the museum. And while this is technically true, i me know, is it in front of the British Government that could introduce the necessary legislation to allow this cultures with then to greece. But the simply the thought the want to do it, at least, ah, not for the time being, im optimistic that this will change in the future. And i have to say, were had some headlines at the tester. I said look on you guys as just a mike a 2nd. My had i scout. Well, thank you. I just wanted to say that there is good reason for young. This is optimism because there is precedent when the, when parliament sees something that is clearly not right and unjust. It has intervened in the past, in 2004 out there was an actor, parliament in which museums were added, which allowed them and enable them to give back human tissue human remains bones, skulls to source communities. Because parliament regarded this as completely unjust, that source communities should not be able to reclaim their ancestors. So theres a precedent there that was in 2004 in 2009. And we had a big scandal about nazi spa, lated, art that was in the British Museum and in other museums and again, material which had been stolen by the nazis and ended up in our national collections. Was the subject to enabling legislation which allowed this to be returned. So that is good precedent for parliament stepping in, doing the right thing when the right thing needs to be done. Just talking about par and i was just curious about how many parish Prime Minister has said we cannot possibly return. Its interesting that we call them the path and then sculptures rather than the alga model law. Because i think that that shows a little bit of a Public Opinion change here. But i, i want to go back a few years. I went back to 1990, not having to pay my laptop 1st and headlines about the path and the sculptures blair blots return of elgin marbles, david cameron, jacks call to return, passing the marbles to greece. Weve got one from paris johnson, r i p. Boys, johnson says British Museum trustees must decide fate a path then marbles with kicking over to the British Museum. And then one more from the very shortly 50 k Prime Minister list ross says she does not support. We paint cheating the popular marbles to grease. So Prime Ministers doesnt really matter who they are or even what party therein. Yeah, unless they dont seem to be behind the idea of these path and, and sculptures. Going back to athens, are you getting Something Different from the British Public . That yes laws. Because because 1st of all, it, let me remind that run the, the extra you just read from her is johnson. Johnson has the Prime Minister said that to me in an exclusive interview with the a year ago. But we also reveal the last summer that when goes docile, was an undergraduate in oxford university. He said exactly the opposite, that the mobs belonged to greece. And actually he provided proof that says that law document had stolen tomorrows. So i think that there does make, says im in his current position but, but yes, because humans young, the British Public, there are a series. Theres a series of opinion. Pause. The latest one was released a few days ago, but says birth overwhelmingly, their biggest public. Busy supports the re unification of the path alarms. Theres a broader conversation to be had not just about the performance sculptures or the alga marbles, however you want to call them. But what it really means to have art from another culture and another country shut up in a different museum on the other side of the world. His ga. Gov. 8 is what she told us a few hours ago. In a broader sense, proud of the contribution of the ancient greeks. But most relevant, the marbles are a symbol of the thousands of similar items and museums in the u. K. In germany and france. Items that in many cases were acquired through questionable methods and as to whether they should be returned. Its not a matter of if, but when obviously the British Museum is worried about opening the floodgates and they should be items from egypt, india, nigeria. We should be having conversations about all of the returning all of the ill gotten artifacts to their home countries warning so bad about art going back to the country of its birth, the country and the country men and women who created it. L e y, a disaster. Well, it, it, well, its not a disaster. I mean, look at it. I suppose it depends on the, on the spectrum. If the, your talking about is, is a, she little pace of a nations a couch of history. Then of course, its important if its a scout or a piece of work that are the instances its, its quite possible assemblage is more common been a way for that to have i mean thats what purpose of the Universe Museum is to its wonderful things from heritage all as well, and they are great. We all these museums, but there are please the facts that are unique, like the popular sculptures. And this is the case that we make. They are unique. There is nothing else like them. They are not one single piece of what not. You cant just take a river god from from the payment and say its a statue. Its not a that to the whole phrase and the whole pay them and of the past and on. And the major piece they are, one unified monument is way describe it, and they, they wait just robinson has called a show real of ancient athens, the mythology, the history of ancient athens. They cannot take these paces out and assemble them and nor should they be in, they need to be re unified because quite simply, it is a unique monument, and it is representative of a couch, a love, a history that goes back such a little way that the people but created this and its just really imperative that it comes together as one crystal. Im just looking at a page on the British Museums, web site, core contested objects from the collection as just take a look here. Its really interesting the way that the British Museum writes about how the path m sculptures ended up in the British Museum. I think its an interesting narrative that they chosen to, to share with the public. But we happening bronzes. Youve got human remains. We have an early show from australia puffing and sculptures. Is it possible that if the passionate sculptures go back to offense, that then the pictures and will begin to lose what they value so much richer as well culture, an art that they feel. And they have actually said to us in a statement that they can make those connections between art around the world. And the Police Museum is the best place to do that. Well, this is the universalist argument, and it has been made very strongly by various directors of the British Museum near mcgregor. Was a great ambassador for that idea, but it is largely discredited now. And i wanted to come back on ellis point, and just to add to it, i agreed with everything she said, but what makes the parthenon sculptures so unique is that the building from which they were hacked by the earl of elgin, that building still exists. It is there, and that makes them very, very particular. They only comparative item in the British Museum collection to that would be they beard of the sphinx got the sphinx to stella in, in the desert of egypt. But i do want to emphasize the fact that these are a very, very special assemblage of items that as ellie says, they were part and parcel of a building. They were part of the structure of the building. And its not a coincidence. But in greece, these sculptures are regard, are referred to as blocks because they are relief carvings on the blocks that form the part of the structure. El, again, got local stonemasons to saw them off so he could get ship them back to britain. And so theyre called slabs in britain, and thats because theyve already be mutilated. And so you can see in the form today that disco disconnection really from that wonderful building, which stands as a monument to classical ideas and principles that echoed down the centuries down the millennia. And it is a National Disgrace that even they are arguing about it. And give an example of what we some is saying right now, does the exam to the think, think of athena. Gov is of athena, her head and head neck is in the Acropolis Museum one here, right breast remains to the British Museum. Doesnt make sense to you . No, nobody wants to have just one brass. All right, i came to share it. If you look at all it, i had, i came to shall. I taught us this a little bit earlier. I think it really is aimed at the British Museum whos not in this conversation, but been mentioned many, many times havent. Listen, this had a luck. Its good news that the British Museum has fire willing to talk, but it shouldnt be a negotiation. The idea of alone, however long term it is, is only adding insult to injury. What the British Museum and government should do immediately is 1st, for example, sculptures. Second, apologize for keeping them for so long and 3rd or with greek scholars on, on some mounting, an exhibition at the British Museum that explains how these artifacts were acquired and returned. Its never too late. Ready to the colonize the audience, who are watching right now. And where is the British Museum in this conversation with talking about them, but theyre not here to speak for themselves. I am wondering how long is this conversation this persuasion going to go on out one year, 5 years, 20 years, or do you think . Well, of course its actually been going on to 200 years. I mean, kiosa was the 1st that they requested, not long after the 1st great state was formed. But i guess the campaign in the last 3040 years has really been advocating very strongly. But i think the conversation is, danny said that the very beginning i feel, but there is a shift. There is a change. I think this last really has changed. And it just, its picking up momentum. Its just, its wrong on so many levels. And of course, one thing we havent discussed is which id like to touch on is the, is the solution. You know, what is the solution . Yes, they should just give them back and it should be a political, a political will. It should just be a decision made, but then you know, what can the solution look like there and, and it can, you can you the solution in one sentence because were right at the very end by ok show like what is what . Ok, the solution, wrists are 3 d Digital Printing of a beautiful set of copies and, and or a rotation exhibition of the wonderful out which the great government is prepared to give the loan. And as an exhibition, ok, and hes got the solution right here. Why weve been discussing this for 200 years. We could have just asked Ellen Ellie Tristram and yon as an all of our viewers who, watching on youtube. Im watching around them. Well, thanks for joining us. I see you next time. Take a ah. Resumes president ial election is going to a 2nd round on october 30th. Coming hard line president. I also nato and former social is president. Legacy law are buying for votes, but which one was changed to be elected to brazils highest office ongoing, special coverage on al jazeera. 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