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The front is a country of contrasts. Its reputation so glamour, and she is proud to be projected to the outside world. But theres also a doctor on the bending of traction should fronts, with a full right has moved in from the fringes and increasingly set the national agenda, especially when it comes to the since the parents may not like its celebration of diversity, the multi Cultural Capital city of a nation, the prides itself on the values of liberty, equality and for tenants. But they can use the whole truth for everyone. Find miriam pulse for and in this series all take a deeper look at some of the issues dividing from kind of people from lacey. They the separation between church and states. Defrances, reckoning with its colonial legacy through racism is im a phobia on the crackdown on basic freedoms, including the rights of process. To me, it feels like a fight over who we are as a nation. And what we really stand for the sounds almost as this lazy to today is sort of saying, actually some really just have to choose all run acceptable. This tendency to only find a nickel chamber of your own thoughts as only be made easier. I think the music understanding of light used to, to is the biggest problem actually the fact that some public figures, weaponized ladies today, you know, to, to stigmatize or thoughts or this is of the society. There is a very deep breakup between some mustangs and so not missteps between so young people coming from the pool. So both ends the rest of the society. The rest of the society feels the strong people and has nothing to set this up of the best. The best thing is a case story of the french revolution. When lacy fated became a corner stone of the french republic. Now at that time it was all about keeping the Catholic Church out of space. It says the time itself is essentially a french twist on secularism. Its enshrined in our school one of the constitution. And so many people here, its a sacred principal. Guaranteeing the equality of old people before the rule. For these days, it tends to co pop in the base of a french identity, where rather than being used to guarantee a quality, some say its being used, discriminates, especially against most of them. The most in is he, in the outskirts of paris. A mom had even made room leads, often noon. Pres, must and religious leaders have been asked to sign up to a church of republican values. The so called a moms tratta as part of different states vision as in the front as the parent who empties. I sit down with the mom to get his thoughts on the child to. And what lacy do mean to him . Well chipley c d h, you knew a come where youre don mooney with me to a month on that or maybe getting ready to leave. She say lita will coordinate know can you open or you initially emotional ok or use your may be less. You have an id back date, they exist, Say Something a jones or any like illness. Some of the noise to 10, kenny touched usual, jones costs as in the best a point in june. We and so they bundled a bit of some of the data that up and a sudden can y queued up watching site example. I agree with avoiding new somebody to face with inside square say no. The back did you see fit will see that all for the, for you to conduct the a sessions with with the air force me is that the treatment is up to him. But the oldest ive told him is you tomorrow to be left on the doorstep from. Domino to name is well known this page, or shes on time to the museum. I strongly, totally, i dont know from the, a new image in the mall is just a new pass. You fig. Give a dealer on you, show the money up. As a matter of fact, you remember the vision you now shifted as members as well as kind of the disease to shop the key. Reynolds for one is also a conference room. 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Cool isaac. Uh isaac. Uh, and the latest you t is equal a c k guarantee on the birthday as well going to the rest of the party came to a tune. Both of them were sent from the port in for a lot of the money or see why it cannot pause or read it can just dont panic or you may have a new equation we say to on talk about starting back to the theres obviously a bottle of at the meaning of lacey to the idea being to protect the state from the intrusion of the Catholic Church historically. But today some will see it as you know, then you try to, to the states. Some will argue that its protection from religion. Some will say that its about stigmatizing muslims. Why is lacy to such a problem here in front of things . The problem lies in says, the very definition of lazy to not lazy. Tate says, but mean the republic doesnt want the religion to get power on citizens. Religion is seen as an edu nation, a and e, slum, u. C. As in the nation. Not because it easy some, but because it is really just, i think the amazing understanding of lot used to, to is the biggest problem. Actually the fact that some pollution, so public figures weaponized lazy to, you know, to, to stigmatize all parts of the, of the society. Saying that they are trying to get rid of the coming nose and trying to have an exceptional treatment to be treated differently. Actually validating the idea that they was a problem not wed like today, but they was a problem with muslims. This was and i think thats quite a different question, a quite a Different Company matic, but yeah. Then youll actually on the ground with young people, schools themselves have become a pilot, a fiscal background in many ways around the lacy to issue. How is the lacy, the discussion translate thing on the ground with young people . I believe the grill political conversation, the one that has to do with power is do young people especially believe in the republic. And what i find is the farther away from drifts away from its ideal. The harder it is for me to tell them this republic is for you. For some people in front when they feel like their destiny is not quite the same as, as others. Its harder for them to, to, to adhere to the vision which is absolutely necessary and which teachers defend, you know, as much as possible. So i believe if there was an issue with the young people in the way they see the republic, it is a result of how frances doing as a whole. I believe when it comes to full spending its promise. And many of you will recall that last year, president mclean had brought about a new bill, the so called separate susan bill when the little came about it was very specifically targeting to what will comb wisdom separatism the . Well, president mclean referred to is, isnt mist separatism. In that bill im far from it. Do you agree with the critics who say that that bill is just the latest example of singling out in the seems full special treatments . Absolutely. And actually there are people in france, maybe grew up instigated neighborhoods, may be of the society that we could look, fails to integrate them and then they had to organize differently. And often what we believe is to provide them is a way to self organize in order to try to compensate the failures of the states because they so that those things west, even targeting them and, and the stopping them from trying to, to be full of members of the society, the bill itself was aimed at target saying the idea that theres some kind of extreme is and that was all about separatism is a form of extremism in this case. And of course, thoughts has been the target of service attacks has no way of you know, ignoring the fact that that has happened to but whats confusing for, i think perhaps many people internationally is a bill that suggesting, you know, stopping women wearing for link swimsuit. So the pool will something women wearing had scholars accompanying the children on the school announcing so now whats the connection between this and sort of separatism as it is thoughtful of is trying to combat the type of terrorism that fonts has been a victim of to i think we have to remind the context is the context is what you said. Sorry, of terrorist attacks incredibly violent against french people. And its not a separate, isnt the right well this is loves them to separate ism, lo has not done anything. The headscarf a, i mean you are free to, were to wells a headscarf in front. It controls more than most. Mm hm. And i think its better for home. So message me a specific piece of funding of the most of the tries to present to prevent just printing off the is from east ideology. And i think its important to separate the debate and the reality. I was a little because the reality of the little context semester and do not treat defrances of mustangs and the rest of the friends believe us. I just would like to Say Something about, i believe maybe you are not to must because when i, when i read is to provide isnt bill. It was know, just about reinforcing and fighting against terrorism because we have a full legal, a private, just to fight to terrorism. Its due back, you targeting the freedom of association and you have a lot of defense and must be much decision which has been targeted and to solved because of this low and even before because of the load, the security on that. Yeah, you have also the freedom of religion which has been targeting with shut down of different marks. You have uh, also a lot of private must name which is closed. Well, actually also shut down smoking, coffee shop, semester master, and special, allegedly most investor was, i mean i, i, i can only get, it was just like rest of them. So i think a lot of food, even which was, which was a shops where actually closed. Um, i dont believe that service will actually it hiding in batteries and coffee shops on in restaurants. But if you implement thats the way of thinking of an old and in or society that can be very scary and sites and inform us lambs and for all region people actually, it does feel as if maybe the, the next spring costs a little why it just doesnt that came to yeah, probably, you know, there is a player in the field which is absent and which would be in this is on the must him, comes of french bust him community because of french. I mean, they are looking for as a message of to, as its always i talked to said okay, where are you guys . Are you with us . Oh, i was a, is that the one of the cheapest one of the key for them is that we dont have seen some us since. And, and so, you know, maybe with the them, we dont see the message on to grow into most of the social networks to spread the nazzo into partition of the stuff. So its very, very important. So its a french message. Take that responsibility. So im not guilty, but they are responsible, we need these kind of promotion, we need this new, we slow this mode on. So i just want to talk about this idea that you know, particular i guess the idea that the wider missing community is, is responsible. I guess for pushing back against extreme is in terrorism. You know, i wonder whether that is the responsibility of the white, a missing community. And what role i suppose this idea of a modern is some plays within that. I think its the perfect situation in which we should just go back to below and below is x rays to position between churches and states. So meaning that the churches willing just dont have the right to mingle or just to enters fear and see the matters and civil offers. Thats there is also the fact that the invest the opposite of the meaning that the states doesnt have their rights to decide about for the just matters. And you also assume that there is black for cool and such charges as negative started. I would say meaning that if any muslim, somewhere in the world does something wrong, we should be responsible and we should feel comfortable for this person. That actually its an individual in t or she has their own reasons, actually to act. And we should not be as muslim. So as women oh as men feel responsible for that. So it is just the difference of service where a man do you actually try to put some distance and take your responsibility to saying that there is an issue with doc sick, masculinity. And we should talk about, you know, because where it does talk and where it does. And let me bring a, get into this discussion because certainly from the outside looking in. Its almost as if, you know, the conversation in front is that lacy, this is a by raj to terrorism. Is that how you are experiencing in School Context . We do have students that youre concerned about the tendencies about how conservative they are. And you think if i just teach them more about lacey today, they will become good republican citizens. It is that, is that in the thinking, you know, people who kill one another to kill another tend to be between 15 to 25. So we have an issue with young people. Theres also a fall writes terrorist tendency thats been happening around throughout the theres all this. Now youre asking me is lazy to enough to address the issue of extreme violence. Well, no, its not. But what i do believe is when i hear people tell me, must name have a rights to a private education, and thats because the public system is telling us the trends on well, thats where i respectfully disagree. We need a shared experience. We need something that makes the nation and nation over the past 1015 years. This doesnt seem to only find a nickel chamber of our own thoughts has only been made easier. Thats a strange issue. And of course, this as a consequence, when it comes to the way young people see religion, i wanted to ask you about this child sort of in moms, because the people outside default start looking at the child, sort of a moms and this thing. Hold on frances, this country that says a lot about secularism, you know secularism is the state staying out of really just the size. But then suddenly its the same state creating a child. So full muslim a moms from this. Im really just need us to sign up to how do you square that . How can you, how does that make sense . You . Does that make sense . Practice speaking. Its a joke, as a child to has been forgotten by you all jacked his insides of the child. So is it, so was the world against 40 in francis and against the 70s to organizations and who signed the child to the follow up fine phone based organizations and just let me so getting zation so you dont make any sense. Do you think that it sends a message though to the wida population, because presumably it was only a moms that have to sign the child, so there was no similar child to full priest. So past is a randomized system that sort of send its own set. Partizan will set for test message. Absolutely, and i think its one of the example in which you can see that the states does not respect the vendor is and weve been the child to, i believe is the article 9 there was something about not being able to talk about state racism. And i think its really interesting why in the talk to of islam, should we speak about the right or not to speak about a problem with the Structural Racism with the system increase to them. So there is something very political into that child. But what, whats confusing and listening to the debate is i think that lacy days who you know secularism in general is over. I suppose supposed to be this tool that allows me all these different religious communities to co exist without interfering with the state and the state doesnt interfere with them. Thats the point of secularism, isnt it . Yeah. But so youll have to remind the security context on foreign governments for french valuation from the right from the left. He has to do with security. And he had to reassure the rest of the french society. And there is an issue with certain front muslims, and lots of terrorist attacks has been performed by french muslims. So and then minority diffusion. Yeah. Is made by sense. Thats why i called the french most seem to say nothing. My name, like in like in the u. K, i think its politically very important. I think its interesting that we dont tend to do that with any of the groups. You know, id love to see every time there was an attack on a right wing on a mosque, you know, all the right wing organizations in society saying, you know, we, we dont approve of this is actually kind of a lot of silence around the number of is really not 50 and lessons will be shot by rights rights activist. So policy was gent. Okay, i, im sorry, but when youre saying that youre like that french and the muslims, but most of the most insightful answer for the rad johnstons and very with shots to the different. Yeah. Every one of the film twice. And they have not paid the price of blood and they have to pay the price of dignity saying that they are not the same as a terrorist. And then nothing to involve me that the celebration of the muslim community. And i dont agree that a lot of people, a lot of assessments will actually said not in my name. And i do not have to, you know, like walk around because i must have myself saying thats not in my name. I want to austin, kind of questions about the relationship between wider into qualities the conversation on lacey too. Because obviously were talking about the country in which people of wisdom origin, already we know less likely to be employed more likely to live in poor neighborhoods. Less likely to have access to Good Health Care is lazy to functioning as an equalizer in schools or does it risk functioning as a proxy that actually reinforces some of that stigmatize ation. As well, the secularism is absolutely a necessity and it does help. It does help, its in so far as we understand it. Now, look, we can have a long conversation on how to address extreme violence, for instance, or, or a separate isnt by saying, heres what you should not do. Heres what you cannot be. So once youve said, heres what you dont get to do or what you dont get to be. Now we need to have a conversation on with, with young people, especially heres what you should become, not just say you cannot beat that, but help, you know, draw the face of someone they could aspire to be. And i think this is where we fail. I believe most teachers did you get semester, not it doesnt specify, but as a society were failing to do that, i came at lacy today functioning as a tool that adds to preexisting in the qualities, reinforcing them or an equalizing tool and loving fronts. I would like just to remind you of figure friends, hes the west and country with the highest level ocean to evaluate between punch people on an space. Specifically, im asking people and so we are facing of french products. Very open, very close engines. The middle of the products is the idea of junior. The site is an issue. I like us will be, we would be attend to you if you not like us. Where would it be again to you . And it was a french restricted conception notion of us citizen. But you show like us, we wouldnt marry you. So lazy is also a way to be more open. Yeah. I believe that the muslims can marry other muslims and still being integrated. And french people can be open and not marry a muslim. And thats will be okay to. Its obvious that they are political and social reasons for what is happening right now. And kind of the like the conflict that i dont know how to call it the tension as trad, in friends, if you are poor and friends, it takes 6 generations. No one, not 36 generations to get out of poverty. Its a lots, especially if you consider that because of historical reasons due to immigration must names are members of this at these events age class. And if we dont have Public Policy is addressing that, i believe that in 10 years we would have exactly the same debates. Its a no go to me. The, whats very a parent here in fonts is that everyone agrees that lacy is a really important part of the french tradition. That much is not in question. What is in question is the substance of that time how its being used. Clearly for some lasix, it provides protection from the states intrusion into the private sphere, but are want actually, for all those, its all exactly the opposite of that. What seems to be its state is a struggle of what it means to be french, and who gets to the finance shuts the excess when it does go to the post office, its a normal to 0. So it is different when i put exist. So its exist on color, hold it. Its very confusing when you grow up here, when you dont have the sense of belonging. And also that Society Keeps telling you that you dont belong the the, the weight to the noise agent games is out of athletes from the procedure, a gathering and telling us to find laid out for 481 gold medals. Especial coverage and analysis from federal 2023. 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