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Today we dont cover the causes of the luminous epidemic and waste over coming out of these forces in this industry. The theory of the yeah, i think everyone gets slowly thats almost like a daily struggle. I often to very lonely in the city. What does it feel like its like being lost, like in a maze with no hand reaching out to you and you just dont really feel like climbing back out and sign back up. It feels like that feeling of like your body cry, but you just dont need to. I live in a studio apartments so often times its sort of trying to be comfortable with myself. Think loneliness for me is not feeling understood, and i definitely dont feel understood. I can understand why theyre always feels like this reader looming things in me that brings on sadness to from tech talk to tender. Were costly, plugged in yet nearly 70 percent of gen z. And millennials reports feeling lonely. The World Health Organization has identified loneliness as a major Global Health concern, and warns the mortality impacts of being socially disconnected is similar to that caused by smoking up to 15 cigarettes every day. To discuss why we feel so lonely and how to fix it. Were joined today by any g, a youtube creator. Joining us from sidney. Esther fernandez, a copywriter made of millions and jo, focusing on changing how the world perceives Mental Health. Shell be talking to us down the line from l. A. And simone hang a Human Connection specialist. Shes joining us from singapore. Thank you all so much for joining us here today, simone, you wrote a book about this. Its called, lets talk about loneliness. Can we start with a definition . What does it mean to be lonely . So minutes is the gap between the type and amount of Human Connection you desire and the type in amount of Human Connection youre currently getting. And in space, the full on perception, which means you can absolutely be surrounded by people like a not getting the connection needs needs you design met. You will still go by me. Very interesting because that is therefore very hard to measure because its so unique to each one of us, right. I asked her why would you say would feel so lonely these days to yeah, i think social media is a really great tool and i think any tool can be used in those for good or for bad. And i think what started it was more of like a substitution became the only thing that we consumed. I think one big reason why agency is starting to go really wrongly is because were not actually putting what were consuming into action. And its very easy to just become, you know, addicted to scrolling, scrolling scrolling, but not actually going out and doing things. For example, on take talk, we see a lot of people say, you know, heres places to travel to or books to read, but we dont actually travel to those places or read those books. So i think, yeah, lack of action. And just using only social media to can to can cause people to become really lonely. Its ironic, isnt it . Because the very elements that has been created to, i dont know, bring us closer together is actually one of the reasons why were so alone these days. And it can, you, can you explain to us how you see that social media has changed the way we interact with each other . Yeah, totally. I think thats the paradox of the social media, right. As somebody not supposed to connect us through it together. But really its caused through much distance. Now i dont want to say social media hasnt done Amazing Things because its allowed all of us to be here today. Its allowed to put to connect with everyone all across the road. But i think social media, sorry, social media was or provide this illusion of us interacting with each other and will be dont realize is a lot of the times when were scrolling online, we think where youre having these interactions. Were getting the deafening heads from double attacking and instagram braille or sending an emergency, but its so surface level and it doesnt really engage now brain. Its not meaningful. So it doesnt give us that sense of connection, but we would get from bill why would interaction there i would say the way social media has changed. Our interaction is in, i guess, giving us more of a short time to reconnect hits. That comes from more social start superficial interaction rather than us going out. And its a real world and obtaining that meaningful interactions that give us a zone got lost in the mean response that makes us feel good for the rest of the day. Everybody else is not a i s or is that was power social relationships . Mean . Yeah, yeah, so perry, social is usually used in the context of celebrities. People who, you know, share a lot about their lives. They might be tweeting or maybe they have a tv show. And so people are gaining a lot of information about them. And so the, the connection feels very intimate and personal, but in reality its very one site, its one person sharing a lot of information and you think that you know them. And i like to say that i feel like social media has caused her social relationships with people that really know. So maybe someone that we connected with back in middle school or a friend that we might even see day to day, we might not connect with them and have that like actual intimate, personal conversation because we say, well, i saw what you posted on your story. I saw your take talk, but thats not actually like a form of communication. Its very one sided. And so i just think its very interesting that social media makes it appear like were connected. But when we actually sit down and think about it, were just kind of consuming this one side of the story. And in reality, like a lot of people say social media is just a highlight reel. So even the information that we are consuming from our friends, like to her point, its very surface level. And so i think it can cause that disconnection because were not actually, you know, seeing all parts of peoples lives. Not the, the messy parts are the loaner part for normal parts, and i think thats the part that makes us feel most connected is when were able to be open with one another. Absolutely, simone, you want to add something there. Yeah, i am dying over here. So i am, im an old lady from 40 years old. So what we know is, is that, and what will be aspects of Human Connection space and the space, notice we have to be using social media as the way station, not the destination. And thats the difference between gen z and a lot of the other generations is that social media becomes the destination instead of the way station. And thats when it gets really dangerous. I want everyone to think of social media and online connection without be in real life confinement as the junk food equivalent of in house and real life connection. So youre getting that immediately. Yeah, stopped up with the main hit. But youre getting none of the sort of nutrition the quite a whole months that we got from impasse and touch the opposite types and the long Term Community basing whole minds. We get some interesting connection. We only have slides amount of those from digital interaction, but not enough to satiate us. And i want to just say regarding the, by her ability fact to theres something really interesting happening online now. And i love that as to mentioned this about that were not seeing the messy side. I think whats happening now is salaries probably because know this and the modified version ability. Theyre showing the messy side in order to get the mikes and use that in itself. Modification portability is something i think thats the next big training we need to worry about. On social media, we see this for pod cause and people giving the pain kind of download the pain co online. And this is also going to be nice in that email sent to see and connection, but i think we need to watch out for. Yeah, that sounds indeed very dangerous. And its interesting because were talking about how technology is harming us in a way. But is the way we use technology, i want to bring the conversation to the offline world a little bit because i want to share a clip we found on social about how our cities and the way we go about our daily lives in them are also contributing to our isolation, take a listen. I will losing all of our places that isnt nowhere. To sit down for you at least. And ive seen what is the video some take some recently to do with that space. Thats which what we think that space is a something where that isnt your home kind of goes into your way, but you can still be social. I mean, thats with people in the community that you dont want to spend money. Where can you go . I have been working around today, its raining and i didnt necessarily want us to and oclock. And if i want somebody with shelter, im probably gonna have to choose a cafe or somewhere where im paying for stuff, which is fine if thats what you want to do. If you dont necessarily have the money for that, you probably have to go back. And thats essentially the cost of the problem on society is dealing with a lot of isolation and all of us to me the same for me. I think it really comes down to the deluxe that spaces. If you dont want to spend money, what can you got asked or the famous 3rd place is, can you talk to us about them especially how youre observing them around you in the lane . For example . Yeah, i mean, i think one of the biggest conversations that me and my friends have is always talking about lack of 3rd spaces. Its very, very expensive nowadays, especially like in cities like a way to try and go out with your friends without spending obscene amounts of money. I think 3rd spaces are so important and also that those 3rd spaces have what . One of my friends called gravity point, this is like points of connection, where people are able to connect on things that, you know, we have the same morals, the same values. Its not just a place that youre able to show up and kind of socialize and again, very surface level. But like, are we able to do meaningful things even like locally, you know, charity work or Creative Things and like things or we can really connect. I think thats locking a lot and usually the, the only thing people want to do is like maybe go out and eat. And so i think this also connects to the economy, which is, you know, another really big complaint that i think my friends have is, you know, how are we supposed to go out to the start spaces or to socialize when were working really long hours. And were really burnt out and it just feels like very hopeless. So people i think are just tired. And even if they did have a place to go like theres no place to go any. Can you talk to me about the place um youre from and where you live . Cuz i mean coming from latin america from brazil, the experience is slightly different. There. I live in the middle east now but, but the experience growing up was different in brazil. Would you say asian culture is more prone to loneliness . And thats a great question. Um, well, i think its hard to say mediately by that asian culture is more praying to learning us. But there are certainly many cultural factors that we can consider in this kind of discussion there. I think the 2 call 2 factors that we should consider is social rigidity. And relational they feel that you, there are just quickly explain what that is. So social rigidity refers to how strict a set of societal norms or expectations might be. And in a co child with high social rigidity, you might really know what like social roles or expectations that are placed on me and you might to attract, but its hard to break out. And then the other fact old was relational mobility, sir, in relation on the to basically just measures how easy it is to meet new friends and form the friendships that goes. And in culture 6, the nation alone for this he said because of places like north africa like the middle east, like east asia, its really hard for you to make new friends as easily because its just not in the culture. And the reason why you bring up these true co 2 factors in assessing, bringing us in asia i just mentioned is because if we take a look at japan, for example, as a place of high social rigidity and the relational majority, one of the highest and lowest and about what that means is if you feel trapped in japan and your social roads or expectation, its hard for you to breakout and well sir, its hard with you to make new friends. I think thats something we do. I think about enough. When we think about bringing us, because often we think about money its, its about what its like in the present. But actually we should consider how it is for us in the future as well. And what i mean by this is if were in a place with high relational maturity, meaning its easy for us to a new friend. This would be somewhere like the united states, for example, i might do literally now, but i, if i know that i can make friends easily late like i moved to a new city, im leaving now, but i have confidence. I can make friends in the future that is a lot easier for us to handle the defensive learning this we feel. But then again, in an asian culture where you have no relation on may 30, if im learning now, and im hopeless at my prospect of making friends in the future can really exacerbate the sense of my name is i feel thank god we have really and guess today to help me know oversimplify things. Um, i wanted to share Something Else with you. Grace jarvis posted something very interesting on x and got us all thinking she said, and i quote, i can spend the overwhelmingly millennial cultural voice that says dont just show up at my house for a visit. Dont call me on the phone, dont ask me to drive you to the airport or help you move. You murdered Community Spirits and then started talking about loneliness. Epidemic. Its very interesting. Is my generation then the millennials an hour, me me me style to blaine here. Simone can you own practice for us . Oh, i love to, i think that is so interesting. This obviously fuzzy. I buy something for and im a, as in. So i am very used to kind of this idea of mutual category and help as an immigrant to a mutual can decide you, you drive someones the effort, you bring stage, the house you, you have on, hes coming to your house without reading. I was like this and i definitely sort today, its a huge shift around the time. Social media came about around the time we will. I kind of feel that like millennials, we destroyed instagram without gnosticism. Im not gonna lie. I just think about our own because so condition, im going to die and like a global, not just as a human. How do i say the parents became dominant of any spaces on the planet . Because liability to mutually care for each other. That means someone needed help, somebody else in the community shut up. And i think that that point, its like triggering because it really, really taps into that. Can we blame of the entire millennial generation . I didnt know about that, but i would like to see a change in that. And however, despite righty to become this and despite knowing that we need to come together and i would like to think that i am this for all my friends. I have the new thing where i need a lot of time on my i, i, i used to live in switzerland. I did that every year. And when i go to that village that i used to study in and switch, some people do talk and its a village atmosphere. And i find it especially quite exhausting, even though i work in the space. Because as a millennial, my social battery is not as high as the generation who came before me, which is my highest mother in my whose father in that village that i stay with. What completely used to people dropping in without knocking and bringing food either. So i do think the conditions of modernity have changed. We call about good intentions, the conditions of majority of change, social batteries, what we use to, even though i do think there is a low level math yearning to go back to that type of connection where we could behave in mutual care of each other. I hear you 100 percent. Its quite interesting how the way youre describing how you grew up reflects something very close to my reality of people just showing up and spending the day in your house and sometimes it going on. My go on. I really needed to do other things, but in case of esther, can i turn to you now because obviously the consequences of this, of feeling loan in a can, can be so dangerous to our health. We talked a little bit about and the starting to show the mortality rate associated with being isolated as staggering. Yeah, i also wanted to add a little bit to, to her point. I think its really interesting because i work in the Mental Health field and i feel like at one point people werent really taking Mental Health to seriously. And it was sort of this like something up attitude like bottle up your feelings. There was a lot of stigma and now i think weve actually jumped to the other extreme where people go, okay, now you have to care a little too much about yourself and its all about self care because cutting people off to self care and you need to preserve your own energy and ill raise eventually were going to have to like, yeah, boundaries a lot of um, their pausing language in personal conversations and i feel eventually were going to have to sort of come to the middle and find that like, you know, we, we have to get rid of the School District thinking and i think both things can exist at the same time. We dont have to, you know, always show up unannounced and maybe not have boundaries for people. And at the same time, its good to show up and to care for one another and help each other, you know, go to the airport or move and like, thats what friendship is all about. Mm hm. I think the impacts of not being able to, to show up for one another. I definitely see a lot of people in our Comment Section talking about depression, a lot of social anxiety, a lot of just so she disassociation or do you realize ation . I think a lot of these things have to do with avoidance, and were kind of stuck in this in the cycle of, well, im feeling lonely, so im going to stay inside, but because they stay inside, im not entirely sure how to go back out and socialize them so were kind of stuck in the cycle that people really dont want to be in, but its really, really hard to get out of any. Do you agree that its the key here is indeed to try to break that cycle. Yeah, i mean adding to us this point, i think that is your story, right. And that youre like what it makes social media addicting is because short time it can help alleviate learning us by giving us a little 13. But every time we know its the end that lives through other peoples experiences. But we know that with prolonged excessive usage of social media, theres a short time relief actually can for, for us and even make us even more letting me in the long time, sir. Yeah, i think like social media using it as a short term relief can help, but it can also be a crunch if where you can get to excessively simone. I would like to share something with you. Actually he wants to add something, but dont go 1st and then, and then ill, ill, ill share something that you posted on, on your social media. You go 1st. So i just think this will be really valuable for the audience on. Its just point about that. How im i meant to stopping only when i dont wanna leave my house. So we need to know that the loan of the brain creates and irrational spirals. So people who are chronically learning makes will hold their loved ones to a highest and that is necessary. And then cut them off if they dont meet this, im gonna say really high started. So misread social cues. The brain is also less shock, which means its less agile in social situations, which makes the most socially awkward. And then you perceive the disappointing phase or be such a rejection on the face of the past when youre trying to connect with that full loneliness becomes a spiral. So i just want anyone whos in that whole my body is telling me i need to go out and make friends get. I have always sang xyzzy oakwood and i cant leave my house. That is what the brain is wired to do and youre not alone. And thats not your fault, thats actually the self preservation of the biology. So no, and i would like to share something you posted on social media with our viewers. It is deeply personal. I hope you dont mind you said you were told you didnt look like to write a book about loneliness and you responded with this. Its a visa application where you filled in details on your family, stating that your dad had died in 2004 and your mom had been paralyzed since 2013. On that same post you wrote loneliness, is the woman smiling next to you as much as the woman alone in the nursing home . Is the woman with instagram followers as much as a woman with none. It is a housewife, surrounded by a room full of screaming children, and it is a single man living alone eating a microwave meal, standing at his sketch and counter it is all of us. It is nothing to be ashamed of. How important is it to change the perception of what loneliness looks like . Yeah, so essentially just now one on social media. Tell me that was actually just feedback from microsoft, people to the Publishing Industry actually. And, and i felt it was necessary to talk about this because we had a similar conversation when depression, discussions went mainstream about, i think about 1015 years ago. And now we have a long stuff examined and it is the same thing. And it is sort of misguided, i think i signed a post. Marilyn monroe was extremely glamorous swimming. And one of the most lonely in it is naturally part of our city. Logical state we go through when we are separated from what we perceive to be the ancestral tries that we involved and we will always safety in numbers. So we get the final flight response. When we get lonely, if you ever move to a new country, a new body set to within the 1st 90 days, go out and make friends. That alone is loneliness. Chronic loneliness is, is Something Else thats what damages the meaning of the time. But either incidence of luminous courtney chronic on this part of the Human Experience we was designed to be living the way we living right now. A bodies was designed to live in cities without the spices and to have food delivered twice. Also, we dont have to leave the house and have no instead of connection. So i stopped being assigned to the its completely part of actually the Human Experience as a very the point, the extra one final word. How do we fix this to yeah, i think theres so many layers to, to this i think 1st of all, systemic we can address the fact that, you know, its not just like a personal issue and we shouldnt be treating it as like a moral failing that you might be feeling really lonely, you know, especially in the u. S. Were talking about about unemployment and inflation rates. And so if you find it difficult to go outside, you know, dont internalize that as like it to be issue. I think we need to address a lot of just stomach issues 1st. I think also personally, if were able to really emphasize community and it starts with us, you know, even just locally going out. Seeing like whos around you saying hello to your neighbor. A lot of these things can feel really big and very daunting. But in reality its just you saying hello to someone. And again, i work in the most home space, so i always say therapies are really big thing. If youre caught up in that cycle, you know, avoidance can be really easy to get addicted to and, and to go to social media to sort of just like normal things and avoid that. But i would really just challenge people to learn things like emotional regulation to go to therapy, to talk about our feelings, to learn how to really tolerate these uncomfortable feelings, and lean into that and do a lot of like, exposure therapy and going out and meeting people and when it starts with you, youll start to realize that your Social Circle can grow and you can really create a beautiful community. So it doesnt have to be this way. Dont take it to personally and at the same time, go out, challenge yourself and say hello to the people around you. Therapy really is a luxury. Thank you so much. Any esther and simone for joining us here on the stream today. Its been brilliant. Having you guys and having this conversation and thank you for turning in. Dont forget you are part of this community and you can send us your comments and ideas using the hash tag or the handle a stream stay connected. Take care and ill see some what is the effect of the conflict on the environment . The impact of war is so much more than just the mission tongue tanks ships and will fight more than this. It has a devastating effect on people and the department of defense is emissions is as large as many countries and every time and interest spending increases military emissions increased. And this war and this kind of christ all hail the product on it does ita. What does a, i really mean for the future of humanity . 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