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The motto of the summit is fully but some of punk kid libby quite recovered together. We copper stronger, but with world powers, we fight it over to war and you cray, its still governance even possible. And what other challenges does the summit we present for indonesia . Will russian president Vladimir Putin . A sam, some of the questions we put to the indonesian president joker we, dodo talked to al jazeera. Ah president joker, we dont of indonesia. Thank you so much for talking to al jazeera. You have for invited me to a very unusual location for a president ial interview, but we will allow, reveal to the audience. So what the reason is, why we are here later. But 1st, i want to ask you about this very Important International geopolitical meeting that you are organizing right now. Did she 20 and its happening at a very, very difficult time. Globally, you have invited to both president Vladimir Putin and there followed me excellence keel for ukraine. They have both confirmed that they will attend the meeting some by that the need until. But now these still minute express their willingness to attend the meeting question. The situation is not easier than and dare. In addition, the rivalry that is present basha gets more and more pronounced. However, were still expect then put in with him and president lensky will be able to attend this meeting, to forced to room for dialogue and to find solutions. You have seen, of course, also the images are coming out of ukraine and civilians being targeted by the Russian Military as it crossed your mind. Have you considered of expelling president put in from the meeting because some leaders are calling him or they have accused him of for committing war crimes . Have you considered him not inviting him . Oh im, its so really challenging situations, philosophy. It is not an easy matter. Setting up a dialogue space is also not simple. Since the a rivalry is getting more intense, thats what we want to bridge. But once again, its not simple, calculate that motor, but some leader say they want to isolate breath and put in for what is happening in ukraine. You say we want, we need to talk to him. It to the isolating doesnt solve the problem that many a 2nd mother, but rather accrue. So it just makes it worse. I like a young filing building, but whats important here is how were to make a dialogue. So were, were on the or negotiation to produce agreements back up if other lead us say that he has committed war crimes. Do you agree with them . Again, this would be better resolved through discussion tables by sitting together to find a common solution. But not the sanctions. So what would be your ideal solution . What would be your best outcome of the g 20 regarding marcella or guardian, again, it is crucial to provide a thing room for dialogue and therefore through dialogue. It is expected that an agreement will be formed until after an agreement is formed. Again, wont cease. Fire will happen. If a cease fire has happened, the war will and then an dish will follow. You have her mad, both lead us, right. You and you can travel to moscow to meet Vladimir Putin and also you went to a key of were you trying to mediate in the conflict the jew try to make some kind of agreement and did it fail . Yes, well i will discuss day a lot about the may. Oh, but these are considering that among we want that with stability on your for geo politics in your class and also so ability on World Politics and also World Economy into, to promote them. One better Economic Growth or not like what we have now and my purpose to go there was to carry out the humanitarian and please missions, especially in preventing foot crisis worker. So my main concern was on foot crisis at the time because the president zalinski said that it has 22000000 tons of grained in ukraine way and, and the new harvest as run 55000000 tons. Meaning there is 77000000 tons of grain. Meanwhile, in russia, president put to reveal that the country has 130000000 tons of grain. In total, we have 270000000 tons, a very large number. If the style is not distributed, then there will be a foot crisis balance. Thats the problem that we want to breach at the time. Some people say that the solution would just simply be a russia bladder, flared me, put in withdrawal from ukraine and then the war is over. Do you see after you met him that there is a, a possibility . Do you see that there might be an opening or is it just getting worse . That again . Yeah, the most important thing the 1st, but at some point is to sit together in one table to have negotiation to yall, to have a dialogue like to have a communication. Therefore we have solution. I dont want to speculate about any other matters than that, but theres also going to be at present, joe biden, or teaching pena is expected to come as well. And do you feel maybe there is going to be a lot of heated discussions . It doesnt matter if the dialogue or emitting situation gets heated, no problem on your planet, even if the meeting gets he had it, its not a problem. So long as there is a solution. There is a dialogue, i think than about why not to not be tough. Competition and rivalry are the why common no problem. As long as they are managed properly, to avoid open conflict and, and after the problem is over there from Global Economic recovery will happen. Without that, we cannot talk about economic recovery. Because were not only talking about conflict in europe right now, but sanctions in your reach and here in asia. Also increasing also because of the military muscles that china is and showing how worried are you that your country that their south china see that thats going to be affected . Yeah, i was another only talking about the rivalry in the war he, in ukraine, but also the rivalry in the region in the and then once again, okay. And why dont expect prosperity without stability. Therefore though, we in asia young, we will continue to maintain that the in the Pacific Region can be peaceful and to avoid the potential for open conflict. Because Economy Development and growth will only take place when there is a political and geopolitical stability by an new piece. Will that, is it come out to them among from there that the, that Economic Development will happen to me of empathy. You have met their present teaching ping also recently. What was your message to him to, to calm down the situation . Well, oh, 1st emma indonesia deerish to a free and active foreign policy. Therefore, indonesia prioritize as cooperation. Aiden is and collaboration with anyone and any country, based on the principle of Mutual Respect, nothing, and that the principle of mutual benefit. So the peoples republic of china that is indonesia Strategic Partner and im with america. The u. S. Is also indonesia Strategic Partner. I can have a dialogue with president joe biden. I can also talk to them by president. She didnt bring me an i want to invite both of them were to discuss and find a common solution fully the region and also for the world. They havent met directly, right, joe biden. And teaching thing, do you think that theyre going to meet in body and together with the 2 of them . That is why they having a dialogue space is crucial anger. So therefore the common solution can be found. So you think that there will be progress after the meeting. There will be some movement during the t 20. If day look, space is available and discussion can occur again, we will find a solution. We indeed that we dont want to sound on this appealed to have any inclination because indonesia, again, a dears, to open and active foreign politics. Therefore, indonesia can be accepted in any country or one if that is what we want to get. Ive got to create a beneficial discussion, but indonesia has a voice in the you and their General Assembly and has been also resolutions for example, this week against russian annexation of our prison, ukraine, indonesia. Oh, voted in favor of this resolution. So youll, youll make choices where indonesia stance in this conflict. Yeah. Well indeed, at one point, we must decide we must decide that this carefully moment in order for our neutrality to stay apparent. But visa gal. Yep. And, and once again, indonesia has always a dear to my and respected international law. And the un charter was particularly regarding the respect for territorial sovereignty and the territorial integrity of every country. But for example, china is infesting in your country. 40000000000. 00 compared to the United States, only 9000000000. 00. Is the influence of china not getting much higher, much bigger than the United States, for example, is as the United States losing its battle. Here we are. Were open about a poker and 2 or 3 up, up any one of them got an to any country. And im in terms of investment, for example. We welcome every country. However, as if a country react us, oh, look faster and has a better communication here. Then you cannot blame indonesia almost if we choose to go to a certain country. So commonly, kathy is the communication is not so good from the United States. No, we have good communication with all countries. What they do like a bed, a certain countries have more intense communication for collaboration. You know, collaboration must be mutually beneficial and indonesia as ready to partner with anyone with any country. And once again, based on the principle of Mutual Respect and mutual benefit. And you have a feeling that may be the United States doesnt respect, shall enough respect or is questioning too much or, or maybe, or maybe because of the physical distance. Maybe its just a physical, this is a oh you thing maybe maybe. Oh, you talked about come by us. I can be that bizarre medusa. Besides, i cannot urge a country to be close to indonesia, right . We talked about the crisis right in the world right now. There is a recession also dooming in, in europe, and is an Energy Crisis. We have food crisis, prices are going up. In initial inflation is still relatively low compared to the 94. 9. 9 compared to other countries. But you had to raise the fuel prices, you lower the very costly subsidies. There is a risk that the food prices in indonesia will go up. How worried are you . Because your, your population is still fragile. If you look at their income, of course. Yeah. Her. But i am worried for sure body. I see that all country leaders are concerned about the same thing and are, according to the world food program. Up to 825000000 people to go to bed young. The, to hungry on, you know, this is what all country leaders must feel, the empathy, how difficult their peoples lives are to day that including in indonesia. And the key here is to re open food supply chain. Regarding indonesia, i found it in the past 3 years, indonesia stopped importing rice a with sufficient supply all we can control and stabilize the price. We can manage it. And every day i monitor the market, i checked, the price shall can yet regarding rise. An ammonia, gar, legs, and eggs. Hello. And also chill is every day you look at it. Yeah, there. Every time i visit a certain region, i checked the foot price because it is very important now. And i have asked will to the governors and mayors to use the contingency budget than and for the person of the general a Location Fund from the federal government can be used to stabilize rising price for goods and services, especially behind food inflation. In the us, this is how we fight inflation. Sure that it is not as high as in other countries. So yeah, youre concerned but still optimistic that indonesia can write this through. I am i worried, but im still optimistic that we can our miniature, this one or Economic Growth in the 2nd quarter of 2022 reached a 5. 4 percent and our inflation in our goes rich, 4. 9 percent. I think we should be grateful for that, but its important that there will be peace in the world and no more that will drive prices up. That is what we are worried about. That a war and rivalry between countries will not get better or even worse. It will, yeah, thats what we are afraid of because i and the i m f. C has predicted that the Global Economy by 2023 will decrease a shoe below 2. 7 percent from what was previously estimated to and that will experience recovery. That would affect in on asia as well. Danny and true, and that can affect a indonesia as well. Were talking about the Energy Transition and indonesia has the largest sir nichol reserves in the world. Youre very active now. Were trying to make car factories in fast in indonesia to have renewable cars like electric cars. How is that going . Because she had an agreement with an element hillen mosque, but we havent heard anything after that. Well, oh, ive had 2 phone calls with ellen, musk valley and moody, and i have met him once, ad space act. Otherwise add, my coordinating ministers may be, have met him more than 10 times. What is, why mediately laying it at the moment . But you ask ill and musk about that. It will be that for sure in the nature is ready to become cassie and an electric Car Development site for any country for any company. And for every one, does it have to do something with the Investment Climate in anesha that some countries may be in europe and United States are reluctant to invest in the industry and assorted well, because we have the market either the consumers are there, the demand is there at him, so we have them up. Are you surprised that they are not all coming very quickly or may be investors consider the ah, current World Economy situation. However, with the why the indonesia has done including a structural reform for investment, we have omnibus low at massive and evenly distributed Infrastructure Development in java and other regions. And now think this is an appealing factor, and i think the opportunity to invest is now, although the a Global Economic situation is not really that well. But again, it comes to the inverse church and companies will make the investment to indonesia in an age has been criticized, forwarded the deforestation. Right. Its also been called the 3rd largest image image of Greenhouse Gas after china and the United States because of Land Clearing you have taken a lot of measures a to reforest, a reforestation, and an a stop. Also the export of palm oil a couple of months ago. Which has been, i think it changed again or at the moment. But my question is, do you feel that the criticism on indonesia or for its deforestation is in a way unfair because its coming from countries who have already developed their economies and their industries and that you feel that you have to balance this dilemma the whole time you know, 1st of all her of before, you know, even go there. So yeah, i mean, every year dr. Parental forest fires always happened. Ah, and with it, you know, has burnt more than 2000000 hackers of land and in 2015 we have successfully mitigated it. And the forest fire case has decreased by up to 85 percent. Second, we have restored the pete lens in the last 5 years. Ok, we have done that. And then starting this year we have a started restoring man grows by establishing a nursery sender. Its like this one was this when. But this is specially for mcgrooves and that is in bali and here which is in welsh java. We have also established a Nursery Center on particular that are produced as every year. 12000000 trees seeds are either callian, dra eucalyptus, among lit, an antique and various herb, my them variance of trees and other than for environment. But it also supports Economic Growth. So between environment and economy aspects, they can grow simultaneously. This is what we are looking for. In reality, you still have to cut down forest to a to develop projects or a roads. I mean, in indonesia still every year theres still a lot of forest been cut down. So it, its, its not realistic, i think to do it both at the same time. I think her name and we have to address both at the same time. We want to achieve a Green Economy at the same time that we also want to develop infrastructure to have them both have to go in parallel without infrastructure. How can we run industries and by, without infrastructure, how can economy can grow . But what you see now where the Energy Crisis happening are all over the world that the Energy Transition is now being delayed. Germany is using coal again and i heard they even come to indonesia to, to by called but it is a bit hypocrite rights talking about Energy Transitioned and then come to my call yet. Well. As you see again, we are in a difficult situation supporting this is not a normal situation up here. We do not have a better options. Last question because of course the we met each other often and also 8 years ago before you became deaf president of indonesia. And of course we talked about the expectations and the promises you made. Now we are 8 years later, you are nearly through your 2nd term and your last term as, as president. Theres a lot of criticism on, you know, that you didnt keep the promises of democratic reform that made basically that the democracy was on the mind. Critics have been severely find the army has a bigger role. The Eradication Commission has been sort of weekend. What happened to joe colorado, the man of the people . Well, the 5th one Global Situation now is not easy about bird. I am pleased with the improvement to death of the foundations for indonesia competitiveness formal, but it is all about the economy that you have to sacrifice democracy for economy regarding ugh, democracy. I think you know, ah, if we look at the my, our 5 elections. But its everything oh runs well and regarding the freedom of opinion, the freedom to express peoples mind. What havent we done with that . But everyone can say whatever they want now, but opposition is harder now. They can even mock the president. They can mark the president. Now here without ending up being threatened, or they can mug the president now, and, you know, many of them ridicule the president. I see almost every day in social media ratty. And also we done some, you know, room for democracy. So what kind of freedom see that . You know, we are debating you have no regrets. Well i think, oh, im sure a viable the democracy in indonesia has been on the right track. And even i think it has, you know, passed the limit. Why . Sorry. Well i think its too far because indonesia a booth i got ah preserved the eastern culture which is full of her manners and politeness some. 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