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This tape of this ah ukraine celebrates were taking her san is one of the most significant victories is by same bade. It is as a turning point in the war and how vital changed military strategies on both sides. This is inside story. Ah hello, welcome to the program, im hash and a helper. Russia has pulled out of the only major city it captured in nearly 9 months of war in ukraine. I some fell in early march a week after the invasion began, but Ukrainian Forces have made Rapid Advances in the last few weeks. Ah, people in the city cheered and raise the ukrainian flag on public buildings. President vladimir put in formerly annex the region in september. In a mood condemned internationally, a spokesman insist that women would still recognize hassan as part of russia. But ukraines president says the region is back in ukrainian hands calling it a historic day. Misty harrison teacher gul hassan residents have been waiting. Theyve never given up in ukraine. Hope for ukraine is always justified in ukraine always returns its own jap. Cordial grandma, i want to make a special mention of those russians soldiers, merson, reese and collaborators who were abandoned it. Hassan and other cities of the south. The only chance of being saved is to surrendered ukrainian captivity. We guarantee that you will be treated in accordance with the law and international standards. Russia call the pull out a re deployment videos, showed bridges leading out of the city, destroyed moscow says 30000 soldiers and 5000 pieces of military equipment have been moved to the east of the nipple river, ukrainian leaders, billy of Russian Troops left behind, land mines, and bald house on could come under russian shelling. Ah, now lets bring in our guess in our day sir. Hannah celeste, the Security Studies Program Director with the cranium prism, wasik rainy and fire policy and security. Think tank. It must cor pavel thing and howre an independent defense and military analyst, and the columnist, a london da metella sagamore. So senior latter insecurity and development at kings college, london, and specialist in boston, falling as security policy. Welcome to the program. Hannah, how significant is the backups shuttle . I have sworn by the ukranian army. There are 2 elements that we need to for is procedure. That is definitely important because that is part of the coolest success to premier. That is important all, all the south from all respect and especially the graham person, lafond further, but is also a chimney important psychological, a because our birth will last. It was the only be seated on your regional sense of the russians capture. Since the beginning of beef wave of asia, but also because russia doesnt break, that hes rushing part of the washing piece. It is russian and fire o the propaganda that 4 thirds in the last 9 months. And thats why now, really interesting to all the roches social networks called the locals, are starting to question. If weve been defending the russian population there, why the making ukrainian are worse, its all just happened, isnt pena flat. So we think that the logically will be important both for the ukranian, as it is important to the great people, but also as the leverage against the russian pop down the side of the puzzle. What has been described as a major victory by the cranium has been somehow characterized by the buses as a tactical withdrawal. But i think the general consensus of this is a major setback for the political establishment in moscow. Oh, well the most makes miller direct military sense. Im but a political yes that theres a disaster bober, croatian disaster inside russia. And also it has high strategic meaning because by abandoning this bridge head on the right bank, some of the net pro river. Russia has clearly abandoned the idea that was in the beginning of this whole campaign to move further south and west to take nikolai besta reach the nestor republic. Great boy rogue kind of take over the south of ukraine. The, with the more predominant russian speaking right region and the cut ukraine away from the sea in tire. So back green has been abandoned. The Russian Forces are retreating or yes, regrouping. Theyre not that theyre direct. Weve pushed out, but they are retreating, both under orders and in a more or less organized manner. But still this is a strategic defeat, and this is an internal to some extent, external, political disaster, da matina. Are we likely to see model vague with set of strategies or more escalation in the conflict . I think that rica expected that maybe there is more intense fighting on other firms. We have seen that there is not a very, very dense deal going on around. The city is very much sort of on the siege. Your craniums are fighting very intensely there. Over the last few weeks theyve renewed, suffered many casualties. But theyve managed to sort of hold on russia like decide to hit harder in other regions of the front. So i think that we cannot think that this is now a start over. But i think at the same time, that might be some pressures to, to see if russia on sort of insure a fire as secure as the conquest which you already have. So i wouldnt be surprised behind the scenes to seek russia and secure the region bit already can close, but i would expect an increasing fighting on other from 100, emboldened by what happened on the ground, korean president of the mirrors and sky vote of the flight. We can t until the end. Do you think that he has all it takes now to continue the push but or the ultimately of a consideration we have to be taken before him was forward . Ah, 1st of all, what you need to move forward, that is the all wheel and readiness. Your armed forces and here you definitely have the willingness. Ah, yes, there are tiredness. Yes, it is understanding of the difficult conditions during the winter. But at the same time, we understand that cease fire will play into the hands of the russian duration, but in ukraine. Yet. Because that will allow russians to train the newly mobilized or to restore some of the ammunition talk while the being destroy, either by the rainy or by north korea, will produce in russia that is dangerous for sure. So nobody is relaxing. Ill what can be the constrains and keys ukraine has a last. So supply of the emission from our partners. Definitely that can slow down a little bit. But thats also depends on the type of warfare. Ill google youre witnessing further as well. Now we unsound that not only but more turbo bridge than a tele, just pro is one of the mayor top. Its bud. Definitely. Its all pile and the america that where it is Asian Nuclear station. And what is interesting that on the one hand russian interest id shelly, im now in the needs of the air raids even in odessa. But at the same time in millions, hopefully we see how daytons insides withdraw will of mooted out good. So they also feel very unsafe as the occupied territories. Pavel, after the Russian Military pulled out from cave and hall cave, the only provincial regional capital under their control was a was her son. And then just few weeks ago, blue president resume it, put in announced then x ation of the full region. The hans dani us cousin anns approved year. Now the last, how soon could this be an indication that there is something terribly wrong with the way the Russian Military establishment has been thinking about this whole mystery enterprise . I, well, this campaign has gone very wrong afore russia thats not understood very much in moscow. And it has been well pushing around the buck happening because not a military establishment now sends out well some this to those people who bay trust that they were always against this campaign that it was pressed on them from the cram round. There were other co, i bought lusciously secretary of the security council, mr. Birth nicole from b f as be security agency. They were pressing for this entire campaign. The metro are reluctant and because its clear, the things are gone wrong. And right now, russia who you will once fire, thats what the Russian Foreign minister is saying. Thats why brushing diplomats the cram was indicating a cease fire alarm. Ready fire ha, c. Fire based basic with russia would want on the status quo who holds one more west . Thats the one of control, a new kind of minutes. Because russia needs a pause. And because your brain has quite a number of advantages, and it will, they will be pressing forward their offensive, especially in the winter comes, and the frost freezes, the dirt to right now covering the entire region. And theres very with good roads there at all. But when the frost comes to move again through fields and through dirt, roads, and there could be a big row of creating an offensive. And russians are being right now. The defense winds in their rear in crimea, in anticipation and gathering reserves, moving out of your song to have reserves for a possible, a ukrainian decisive offensive and only tele, when the russian president ial spokesperson pasco says that nothing has changed. Response to the russians are concerned in the sense that i have so remains parts of the countries this more just of an attempt to contain the crisis that has her happened. All that the russians remain adamant about the need to maintain the game they have made in the past. I think that they randy, sadly the most challenging now for the Football Game because its very difficult for the russian public to sort of accept that these areas that what were seeing up front russia, you know, i have to be accepted or lost. So when i was listening to incentive tv programs yesterday was clear that a lot of the common korea, all sort of state tv, ron channels, you know, commentators where were hoping that this was just that temporary recreate. But sooner or later they would take back these areas. So i think its going to be very challenging for the population. Dark fact that these areas are gone for good. And i think that theres going to be a lot of work that we have to be done from the leadership to explain that maybe this will have to be postponed for a very long time. I think that there are different ripped population, especially those who arent in charge of sort of of, of building opinions inside russia that this is really a rush directory. And i think that, you know, the voices that pulled up, challenge to use have, have, are finding it very difficult. Many have left. So there isnt really a very open discussion. And those who are, we are, are sort of challenging the position, are even more assertive in terms of wanting russia to, to win this war and to continue the fight. So my impression is that there is a perception that maybe russia now needs to regroup forces. What john then re attack again in the spring that one of the tactics that is also being promoted is, is sort of bombing a ukraine to complete black out from the point of view center, energy capability, electricity, guys. So that is in a position where its economy kind of function, super cannot be properly. So this massive bombardment, agile, demoralizing, some way that you bring out. But these, that we know have going to have any effect. So i think we can also expect these kind of approaches, you know, to show that, you know, were not giving up with mind. Hannah is the next logical destination of the conflict. Going to be centered around that per year, or the way it was mid. Its open so basically he has one of you, we understand that now we do the importance to divide washington when the eastern, northern and eastern directions because thats also the question of their supply to some of the courses. The option for children toil of the cranium. Breach, it is more and more difficult to supply the courses on the south feel its happening. But thats also will be found the media other on the issues, including the weather because ukrainian territory still big that the weather has very different from the, to the south, from the, almost up tropic out to the snow over. So thats why that will include the back on the ground, but also the rushing, the 2nd law where the general, where on the ground with decisions theyre going to made out what type of their jewelry they are using. And the all were going to tell us that about her own contract, youre trying to make the black house. Thats the tactic. That is definitely the fact that, well, my, the russian side were the last we here they realize that the, you have an advantage compared to us. But as soon as it is on the ground, thats really interesting called these be happening on the left, that much of emily should, including helicopters. So thats what its difficult to present as an organized global territory. We still have plenty of soldiers, just changed the land, and youre the found that as more of the future we have something to the public. Its also bring to sort of panic among the courses because they dont have sides. What are the reasons why i think what commanders once you from them, and thats also the logical thing to have the know all poverty were earlier talking about the bus submitted to a strategy now after the loss of class. So are we likely to see them putting more emphasis on our own on gaining bases like so thatll be the North Eastern of ukraine all moving all the way towards on the escrow region to try to consolidate gains in baltimore and for public go well back motors under c share, the attacks on bertha were by the chair were com. Brogdan, now are mercenary group. I will then take the city or not again that so no one question, but this is a very tactical move to improve the positions. Because right now, in the time of the rasp ucc it, sir, thats the see of mud you can fight, but a maneuverable swift, a fancy. Those are very much hampered by the way that will change soon. And then the winter campaign, which in the west military stand to go to Winter Quarters in the winter, but not here, not in russia. Your grade, theres going to be a decisive military campaign. Both sides will be trying to achieve decisive results. Russian strategy right now my pathway is to stop ukrainian offensive include in the quick heavy casualties and for steve graham and its backers in the west to go for our reward ceasefire because right now victory as it was envisaged. It last february is the query unachievable for thats understood in moscow. So that right now the russia would want a pause in the finding to regroup, really, to rearm, to prepare for the future. Ok, and ukraine does not want to do that. Of course. All right, domain hello. Now when you have the or term with all the problems, the come along with, with the weather, you have the range, you have the muddy ground and you have both parties losing each about a 100000. 00 casualties. Since the thought of the complet could this be the moment for both parties to consider the need to start political talks. I think this is not going to happen because i think that, you know, from the ukrainian perspective, it doesnt make much sense now to sort of negotiate at the fire. When they are in a position of strength. They are gaining momentum. They are receiving additional equipment. They can have, you know, because they havent gotten hit so deep into the territory that is okay by, by russia, which is forcing russia to more some of its sort of control center for the south. They have been very somewhere around they are be received by the population. I say here. So this will really sort of in boulder and even more, you know, that you need us to continue with this campaign on to do your non to see if they can make sure that they gain additional territory. Because they also support externally. You know, the more they win, the more they can show to that western partners, military support, theyre getting to know how to provide the results. And the, you know, i think the underlying question of the problem we have oceans is that there is a very strong lack of trust. You know, i think that does it, yankee, you know, for very obvious reasons we doesnt trust being part on the other side. And the russians, as was mentioned by barbara le, very eager to negotiate. But i think that everyone knows that they should be just as hes fire, preparation for future fighting, not just sort of a definitive agreement for the future. So the only things that one hope that, that she would need to really withdrawn on these areas that are occupied by russia. But i really dont see. Okay, working, you know, going back 9 because already the last head its on, its causing so much, you know, term or internally margin if you have to withdraw from a lot more territory. So im not very optimistic about any kind of negotiation. It seems obvious that now with the, for you, in your claim, because i want this to settle into some sort of military stalemate, they want to continue the offensive, or they know that to do that. They need more weapons. But with the administration, the Biden Administration divided about how to move forward with key members of the Ministry Establishment saying its about time to start political talks. Do you think that this is something that could determine the next step of the ukranian president . You know, 1st of all, i cant say that hes there for a, for a, for one Day Celebration calibration of your people lot in general the for a very constrained you just people realize sounds what are the cost of these big stories and what can be the consequences, and thats what you really feel among the patients and among the society. But in terms of the weapons supply, we just received additional from those just yesterday, the new package being announced, not only the us because you are the one country. That is why there are other countries and more conscious joining than that. We will have the new lunchtime meeting discussing Additional Support for you crates. We are changing the priority for what we need now is some for the system, for example. So that is the ongoing process for making i will be 3 on the ball, make some countries look differently what to supply to us, not only victory, but also how we use these weapons effectively. And that we are not detecting the russian territory, but only the boy 18 were defending ours. And regarding the decision it was about pushing or not pushing. You could last, remember that in march, you bring on delegation. Had been present to the previous of the she worked and viola was back in the east on board. And at that time law i, they were just alternating from the russian side. What is interesting that up to 9 months old. Oh, slow says wrong key even are for every story it will changing it is becoming even more violence against crania. So that is why the truck but also just the ration all the voted to why we have to do for the chaise or just the listen. Russians like to in the need to cranium neisha, they just dont have any nonsense because the russian position didnt change. Pavel, if the 2 parties asked to meet in the future to stop negotiations, give us a sense of where to the bus and stand as we speak. What would be the bed lying for them . And what would be the consensus as far as they are concerned, to turn the chops out of what happened in ukraine . Mo, officially, russia has says that they speak or read the parts of russia. Theyve been reunited the don boss of parachia as your song. Ah mothers, likely that will not change a tow earliest. Well, the same bread, theres the same regime and moscow. I think the kind of nuances, i think were talking about the ceasefire. Well, green does not recognize crimea as russian and no one else nurse. And so in a rush you would say ok, you dont recognize this, but we hold it with the window. You know, we dont, we recognize your song as russia, but you dont and we dont hold it. So there could be a quid pro quo, a areas, a kind of agreements, tacit agreements of who holds wife for the time b, because a peace agreement, a nacho piece per okay. Peace agreement. I was on untenable, but the ceasefire of sorts can appear. Da, metella very shortly. If you dont mind. Do you think diplomacy still stands a chance . Im not very optimistic, as i said, for the reasons that ive done what was so highlighted by the previous speaker. So i dont think that this is the moment, but i always think its very important to keep the lines of communication open to avoid. Or, you know, massey can ation, remember that russia says, nuclear wiper, understand that what is the use of tactic and you know, so i think it was important to sort of discuss certain sort of great lines. I make it clear what is unacceptable, for example, to the west. 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