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V wade released june the judgment guarantee to persons constitutional right. To have an abortion. The headlines then is continues here on ultra 0 in about 25 minutes after inside story to bar. Ah. People across europe are struggling to pay storing energy bill, but the e u. Com to agree on capping the price of natural gas, which is in short supply due to russias war in ukraine. So what can lead to do to prevent a winter of discontent . This is inside story with hello there and welcome to the program. Im laura kyle. Time is running out for europe to contain storing natural gas prices. Russia was the constant main provider until it invaded ukraine earlier this year. Sanctions and disruptions to pipelines such as the north stream, one in the baltic, sea of dented supplies. So households and businesses being forced to pay several times more than usual. European Union Leaders have been meeting in the Czech Republic to discuss ways to keep costs down ahead of winter. 15 Member States ones an e u wide price cap on gas, but others, including germany and the netherlands, are against this. Germany is focusing on subsidies to protect its own businesses and consumers. Neighboring poland says that is not fair for the rest of the block. And the head of the European Commission is urging members to unite behind a common plan time and again, the Single Market has proven to be our single best asset in times of crisis. Therefore, we need to preserve it is of paramount importance that we have a level Playing Field and that we avoid fragmentation and distortion. On the contrary, we have to make possible that their investments we have to double down on investments in homegrown renewables. Not only for the climate, but also because the transition to the clean energy is the best way to gain independence and to have security of energy supply. Or the e. U has already agreed other measures to reduce demand and protect supplies. These include a so called solidarity levy on energy companies, excess profits, and the cap on revenues made by non gas electricity produces a mandatory 5 percent cost on electricity consumption during peak hours until march next year. And a voluntary 10 percent reduction to be decided by each member state. Many have already set standard limits, italy and spain of order the maximum temperature of 90 degrees celsius for central heating. While germany has turned off hot water and public buildings and frances, even put speed limits on ski lifts and was producing less artificial snow or storing energy bills and rising living costs of triggered protests across major european cities in the past few months. And this was a dominant issue in the recent elections in italy and switch them off, so as to boston, as more from one protest in prague. Oh, this is the largest straight union rally in 20 years of thousands of factory workers have to take it to the street here in progress to protest against a property. Thats how they call this valley. And we are meeting here, factory work from all kinds of industry, some Metal Industry and textile industry. Communications with you from the medical world right here. And it all complaining about the high prices because the Czech Republic is one of the largest inflation rates in europe. More than 70 percent, i think for is controlled by the government not oh, but also fuel. They wanted the price on gas because the general public was 400 percent depending on russian gas before. And now they tried to import gas from everywhere and the cars are tremendously high. So thats what they are asking for and money. Many more people are expected to come here today. He told everyone 50000. 00, maybe up to 70000. 00. We coming out to see iraq insights going ah, lets bring in our guests now. And in until rebecca, christy a non resident fellow at frugal. Thats a brussels based economic think tank in london, max lawson, head of ox, ramens National Inequality policy program, and in babylon. Keela columbia. Anna maria hire mackerel, which she is an Energy Analyst for the europe team of the institute for Energy Economics and financial analysis. A woman come to all of you, anna maria. Lets start with looking at these different price caps as all sorts of different proposals on the tables. What are they a, why cant e u countries agree on them . Hi, they are very different. They all are a mean to secure some type of gas to the system, to the, to the, to the continent. But they like coordination. They, like they lock us mart, unsustainable solution for the continent. They all want to, some of them want to cup on the energy, but if you, for to older on radio, see now what the consumer is paid. But then theres no other ones that they want to kind of mixture between them. Because its difficult. If we, if we put a cup on the price, we are what to pay for the gas. We could have, we have a great competition outside. And perhaps some countries are worried that they will last by years. Yeah. That they will own i to sell to them a. So if its not an easy solution, each, each, each country has their own needs, and what we need is a coordinated action that will be beneficial for all the company. So rebec, weve got 15 Member States wanting an e u wide price cap, but germany and the netherlands are against that. Why is that . Particularly . I think youre talking about a price cap on natural gas, which is of interest because natural gas is not affected by the sanctions that have been put in place on russia. If anything, russia has been defacto putting gas related sanctions on the you through limiting supply. I and as a consequence of all the technical issues with the pipelines, so you have the issue of what consumers and wholesalers are paying for natural gas. And whether its best to have a market signal, a subsidy, some sort of regulated market how youre going to help europe get through the winter. This is very different from the oil price cap, that the e u is trying to put specifically on russian oil. Perhaps as an alternative to ending all exports of russian oil. So theyre very different cast with very different goals. And it seems rebecca, the countries attending to their, towards taking their own approach. And this is upsetting e u unity. How difficult is it to reach a consensus because they are very Different Countries and very different needs . When you talk about taking your own approach, you really, i believe talking about Energy Security and how each country is looking to handle its domestic responsibilities in terms of keeping the heat on and the lights on difficult because it affects tasks in effect budget, some countries are able to borrow more in Public Markets and others, and its brittany to coordinate all this stuff in a way that pays for it. And that doesnt cause other people to feel like theyre paying for their neighbors. Max is, is a very, is on, hes the issue to manage. Is it even if you are doing it, country by country, can you explain the rate at which these Energy Prices are spiraling and the impact that its having on the people . Well, i think we work for people all over the world are also very poor people in europe in spain. Here in the u. K. I talked to exaggerate the impact the prices i was just reading today about how we already year in the u. K. I have 4000000 people using food bank, so Food Charities that give out food because people are hungry. Many, many people are now coming in. Please give us food code that you dont have to cook because theyre unable even here in october, the beginning of the winter to afford the energy to even cut the free food. Its hard to exaggerate the pain of the but hes, those are hard to exaggerate the profits at the top. Youve got an Energy Industry is making around 3000000000. 00 of profit a day. Youve got 72 new food and energy 1000000000 is 72 new 1000000000 as a top of the existing in the oil gas and food industry. So, you know, is profits be made enormous when is to in the situation. So something has to give, we need to see guys when it contributes more to helping the paper. Anyway, i would do, you dont say that those when as opp, helping to address as wealth and quality when were looking at many countries already bringing in a wind full tax on profits. Yeah. Theyre, theyre all healthy. But maybe just one solution. You know, the know often we all have to work. As i said in older times ive said we need to re solutions. That will tackle 3 main things that are Energy Security, any transition goals on cost. So any solution that comes into play have to break a wider benefit to all the communities and if they are helping but just one solution wont be and all they need to also war come to be mon side. And thats the part that i am struggling to see europe, that all solutions are mainly from their supply side. Theyre analyzing all the products that we have on this plagiarism. But i want to see Program Immediately starting in all europe on how to sleep the month. And how can we bring break sample . Hes been, hes been in the state of a wait because that is the worry. Now youre going to come to december. We that hes coming, we need, hed seen, and by your re fi of the country, they have that youve got 4 central heating. So i was, i would like to be social on the demand side because we are just focusing supply side, max toward extent. Do you agree with that . But consumers and businesses should be responsible as well for this by reducing that demand. I mean, i think in the u. K might be one of the few countries in europe that is not requiring people to change their behavior of consumption of electricity. I think i would agree, but lets again, be careful of the tyranny of averages. So we said consumers in the u. K, were talking about a hugely cool country. So do i think rich consumers should massively reduce their consumption of energy even in normal times . You know, the rich is 1020 percent of every country in europe dominate the use of carbon, the use of energy. And alex using far, far more carbon than they could if were going to save the planet. So i think we need to be careful saying that all consumers need to somehow tighten their bells. We think about people in wrenches recommendation, one for life, death from cold in winter here in the u. K. These are very poor people, often elderly. So i dont think we should really be telling them to conserve energy. So i think that be really specific about who we mean the top in every society, massively over consuming energy in europe. But what are your thoughts on that . Because as we just heard this lee in spain, for example, ordering a maximum temperature of 19 degrees celsius for central heating, it doesnt sound very high. Do you think that make enough of a difference to warrant . It demands certainly will help. And then the other question is how countries can help make sure theyre most vulnerable are getting assistance. This is something that makes to me more sense than just regulating the entire market and lowering prices that even very well be people can benefit from. Instead, you leave the crisis high to encourage people who might have a choice about how much they spend on energy to spend less. And then you provide direct aid to the people in less fortunate circumstances who just need help getting by. Rebecca, this is what germany is doing is that has created this 200000000000 dollar aid package which will help people with the soaring energy bills. But its coming on the massive far from other parts of europe. That is saying that its just going out on its own as creating unfair competition in a Single Market. Theres a lot of concern that a country like germany that has a lot of fiscal space is benefiting without sharing the wealth that people across the, you believe comes from the Single Market as a whole. So theres a feeling that germany would do better to use its economic power to help the entire continent rather than simply focusing within its own borders and leaving other people do the same. Given how critical germany is of the way other people spend their own money and also you finances, theres lots of he said for helping vulnerable populations. Theres a lot to be said for looking for ways to structure aid and to structure market incentives. The market will work, but it needs to be done in a way that people believe is fair. That political presumption is important. Annemarie, you mentioned that demand is important, but cups, whilst they may ease the cost, they certainly dont restrain to long do this. So this is kind of dichotomy, those as to how good and how well they will be received. What i would encourage more sweet. She got the bond, for example, there are alternatives for heating that hes one of these that are the main worry right now for the winter. So why do we encourage more buying heat, installing people, homes, you know, maybe solar panels for keeping school so that you might be managing different ways. And i think thats what we need more chain because aspects not just their financial part, you know, we need to understand ok, how is the system work . How we need to understand also property, our network, how east the gas or the energy behave they were in all europe to understand were, can we move flows around where it can be might be distributed in different places and what can the governments help do . So switch those consumers there demand that there are hobby, with god to older, sustainable solutions, all are renewal sources. Yeah, no, i think i think its not just financial. We need to work on the calisha here. Mike, this is an opportunity, isnt it . To speed up development in the area of renewables, and in the longer term, renewables should be more energy and cost efficient across the board. Oh absolutely, we need to transition faster, but i think we need to be very careful in describing whats happening right now in europe as an opportunity. I mean, the huge suffering, its huge chunk of the people at the boston, the economic period. Remember, they dont own their own homes, theyre renting their own homes. You know, the idea that they can somehow find the heat pump. Henry place the rickety gas in the immediate future, we need to stop our people dying of cold in the next 2 or 3 months. I think we need to be very, very careful and present carnival to the time. But do i think that we need to structurally transition as rich countries away from fossil fuels . And could this leave, this is in a position where we we do that quick. I hope so. Right now im much wide about stopping people going cold. So if were looking across europe, which countries can you point to, to be doing a good job so far . Protecting the most vulnerable in our society this winter . I think the Spanish Government is doing a good job of implementing semi universal base. You can call which they were before. Now talking about wealth taxes as well as when full taxes is true, were seeing when from taxes being implemented, but theyre not high enough. You know, during world war 2 and other crises, we see when for taxes of up to 99 percent on excessive profit. Remember these a profit is being made above normal, non profit profit making excessively so these were from taxes could be much, much higher. And we could also see taxes on the richest people in the last 23 years, starting with kind of 19 and now with the food of energy crises. Youve seen that explosion in wealth at the very top, across the rich world. So people are much, much better off at the very top. So i think span needs to be congratulated to thinking about, well, taxes is what does wind tax the opposite extreme. We have government here in the u. K, which seems to pitch the worst moment in history to give why enormous sums of money to the very rich. And i think thats suffering politically as a result. So yes, a huge variety across the continent for government and, you know, any quality is a poverty inequality. And poverty, our policy choice, you know, people are dying of code. Thats a policy choice. It doesnt have to happen in europe this winter. But back when people are unhappy, they can express it through protests. They can reflect the ballot box if they get the opportunity. To what extent do you think europe is going to see the more extremist politicians in their political structures . Capitalizing on this malays . We certainly see big political shifts and we certainly see voters pushing for change and looking for something different. It remains to be seen whether outside politicians will adopt extreme positions once theyre in government or if they will try to govern at least somewhat toward the center. Italy as of course were all eyes are right now. You mentioned taxes, georgia, maloney has said she and her party would like to lower the tax burden on ordinary citizens and lower the labor tax burden. Italy has one of the highest ones and yet find ways to keep the countrys economy going. So it may be that shell be able to do this and move toward the center. It may also be that rather than focus on the sorts of economic measures, theyll just be a lot of frustration and measures designed to draw out that frustration. And that will be worrisome. I may seem simple to ask what, why can the supplies that weve lost from russia simply not be replaced with other supplies from norway, from castle, from the us. You may think theres plenty in the world to go rounds and why kind of notice be diverted to where its needed. Okay, 1st of all, we are, we were a borkin 100 feet. The bcm from ra shall be a pipeline, is a closest up country to europe. And in pipeline a transport is cheaper than energy. Ah, there is. So theres enough, theres a lot of gas around, but theyre all already sold in long Term Contracts. So most of those contracts are already signed years have all the sake i thought with their own by years they have already cycled or so its not that you can just call me and say yes, i want all these Little Things back to your to import a guy, but thats when i, when i really encourage europe to be a smart nor just build bill, you know, for the sake of because we need more. And then you terminals. We have the case of a state, for example. They build more than 10 years ago. Its a lot of Energy Terminals that they didnt need it, they havent needed that. And even if they can come export more to europe, there wants to be already utilized. Could be maybe 60 percent maximum. So thats what we dont want. We dont want the strongest acid, you know, we want, we want that whatever is your email in space in europe, it will be sustainable for the future. And then does it, does that then you can just bring in nearly all the, all the production from older parts because they need also to invest in production and they need to switch buyers. We have a big issue right now with asia, for example. There are some buy your seen a show that theyre struggling to pay for the high Energy Prices that europe can be. So then there are also having a difference out of within the wealthy and other countries, but these are their energy needs. So we are seen also energy over 2 meanings into older pieces in the world. So its, its very, its is, lets say, elegy is behaving not lost the world commodity yall where all the fees are expected. And then we have seen that the and ill be year i systematically or reliability of, of all the gas value chain with. So for example, are few days at goal malaysian n g had a problem with their export and terminals. Their main buyer is one of them and hes japan. Similarly, japan prices like cure long Term Contract and the government is giving them some loan to do it. Ok, so everybody in the world one . Yeah, yeah. Rebecca, its too much time left. Us want to point out the you house mostly scramble to get enough gas to cover this wind so. But what about next winter . Next winter is a big question. It be nice to get through this winter 1st. As you point out, europe has filled up its reserves. So the question now is, will it be able to refill them once it uses them . And that will depend on a lot of these policies weve been discussing today. And mike, what happens when people are simply unable or refuse to pay their bills . What happens then . Well, i mean, i think theres a mass protest building in many parts of europe. Certainly here the people refusing to pay. And i think a lot of people wont be able to, i dont think there will be increasing an ultimately a lot of suffering. As i said, are you wanting 5 old people dined from code here. The you kind of just lost with you real, real suffering around the continent and completely unavoidable. This is a policy choice. Parker, lets tax corporations effectively fairly low tax, very rich people. Lets protect the poorest. Ok, investing not transition us. What we need to do. Busy annemarie just in the last 30 seconds will the you do that hopefully. Yes. Ok. All right, and then we will leave our discussion today. Thank you very much for taking the time to join us rebecca, christy, max lawson and anna maria makeover of it. And thank you to for watching, you can see the program again any time by visiting our website, al jazeera dot com. And for further discussion diggers, while facebook page, thats facebook dot com forward slash ha inside story. You can also join the conversation on twist. We are at a j inside story from me, laura kyle and the whole team here in doha bye for now. 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