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Is libya on the brink of another civil war . A power struggle between rival governments triggers fighting on the streets of the capital, tripoli, 10 years of negotiations, mediation, and cease fires. Have failed to bring peace. So is there a way out this is inside story . Ah, i welcome to the program. Im Adrian Finnegan, after 2 years of relative peace fighting has returned to the libyan capital. At least 32 people have been killed in st. Battles between rival militias in central tripoli. Its escalating the dispute about who should govern the country. The militias are divided between those who support the un recognized government in tripoli of those who back a rival parliament based in the eastern city of to brook. For months, the eastern administrations Prime Minister has tried to enter the capital at impose his authority. The u. End of the u. S. Appealed for com. But many libyan say the International Community has failed to secure peace. More than 10 years after a while graphy was removed from power out of here, hispanic trying to report south frog tripoli column has returned to the capital. Tripoli after nearly 24 hours of intense and sporadic fighting across the city. A skirmishes began on what at 1 30 am local time on, on saturday, and that quickly escalated into a wider conflict between rival arent groups. Those affiliated with the internationally recognized Prime Minister, opposite to veda and others who are affiliated with the parallel government. These classes took place in densely populated areas. Health officials tell us that 32 people have been killed and over a 150 injured. Now both governments are placing blame on each other, but people here are extremely frustrated and angry at both governments. They want, they want these politicians to settle their differences on the negotiating table and not with bullets and artillery intensely populated areas. 2. 8000000 libyans registered to vote in the elections that were supposed to take place in december 2021. So theres a huge appetite libyans wanting and to the political differences and, and to both governments. And they want to vote who they believe can move the country forward and stabilize the country. Now trainer for inside story, well, stabilizing libya is important for the west for several reasons. It has africas largest oil reserves, and control of the sector has contributed to the fighting. Major European Oil Companies have been active there for decades, but the conflict has hampered the operations. Libya has become a popular part point for undocumented migrants and refugees and as a result, human trafficking. Last year, 32000 Asylum Seekers crossed the mediterranean to europe. More than twice as many as 2020 libya is also a wash with weapons. Although an eyesore linked armed group has been defeated, tax remain a concern. Ah, lets bring it, i guess. From tripoli, were joined by seller elbert kusha, former advisor to libby as high counsellor state from london. Jason pac president of libya, analysis l. L. C. And from alexandria egypt. Man. So our kicker, professor of politics at the university of texas at san antonio. Gentleman, good to have you with us on inside story. Jason, start with you. How dangerous a moment is this fall . Libya . I think the danger of this moment has been overplayed, and its been happening in slow motion since the beginning of this year. There have been 2 rival Prime Ministers, the europeans and International Community have been following a policy of what i called destructive ambiguity following him. Added dean baddies phrase, meaning that for the 1st time we dont have a clearly recognized Prime Minister debarber of the g. A new Prime Minister has overstate his mandate, pasha, ga, has now international legitimacy, so both of them are not, are not legitimate. And the world is so focused on ukraine that they havent been trying to mediate this conflict. And of course, given this, if theres an ability for the emerald, these church and russians to, you know, play around and we see what i term, the global enduring disorder playing out in libya. Was any non domestic entity involved in this weekends violence . No, i wouldnt say so. What has happened is that the pretender fatty bershana has flipped some militias in the tripoli area to supporting him and his allies in, in tan like a summer ger. Wylie had their salaries cut on august 18th and they thought, well, were getting weaker over time. Ready might as well make this move on the capital. You have to keep in mind that in may of this year, chicago also tried to move on the capital, but he was rebuffed and not able to enter it without any clashes on today. Hes already been calm and tripoli and its unlikely that violence would, you know, really escalate into a civil war of any kind and important to point out to your viewers that this isnt an east versus west struggle. Libby has become like any other african country, people try to stay in power after their mandates expire so that they can access the resources of the semi sovereign institutions, which makes ruling libby a very lucrative. So you have to pretenders for power. Theyre not really ideologically, or regionally differentiated. Both chava and dubai come from a strata. Each one is on the, on his mandate and doesnt have legitimacy to govern. Man, so ill kick here then in alexandria, professor good to have you with us. To what extent picking up on what jason was saying that to what extent the both parties have credibility issues with the libyan people given that their mandates her have expired. So thank you, havent you . First of all, i agree with jason one point, but she says that we havent washed provisions and visual aids. First of all, we have to make it very clear to everyone to you and everyone else that libya is a failed stage. I just came from there and ive been there, ive been, i wrote a whole don book, 500 pages. Thank you. What wonderful countries want to be able to get that and suddenly attitude a lot because the state, i mean 1st of all, you have to say that mr. Baker, i dont know where they came out. We came ok and ultimately hes missing a contractor in. Hes a bill made his money was to get that. I dont want to bash altura, but i think with the old school, i think the getting to see is what company did after community it comes on living. Libyans have to see. And the only way that we like it or not, the only just with organization we have in the other bad it is. Its legitimate. It was the last elected body. Not going to shock, not a not so raj, no one else. And i think heres the, heres the problem. We have in comparative germany as proxies between 2 latins bash, altura and baby fighting it out in a pretense. Now, this is whats happening today. The problem is, is that neither of these hasnt been seen. Neither is well get it if theres open reduction in the 1st place. But ultimately thats, this is the consequences all have a do stage in one stage to parliament, to or government, and to malicious. This is whats going to happen. Ok, me, we shouldnt be surprised. Solid, normal a because it interplay, then what do you make of what you just heard . To what extent could the situation be boiled down to, to illegitimate Prime Ministers normally appointed to deliver elections, which they failed to bring about. And instead or intent on starting a war to ensure that they can hold hi office on challenge sherman is for a Fair Assessment or way of the mock. Let no quote. First of all i, i dont understand the meaning of 2 illegitimate Prime Ministers. I mean doubt, and legitimate if you got i say that there were, were not the elected, but it baber, with all his her problems. He was selected by a un sponsored process that says that he will stay on until elections are held. And he is recognized by the International Community at his Government Holes the seats in the United Nations and the arab league and in the african union, so on. So so saying that the 2 are bodies, ira, and legitimate or the 2 Prime Ministers are elizabeth is really beside the point and i dont think it stands any an examination. But other one oppressed that here is the situation. The situation is that we have the house of representatives in the east and the majority of that house is from the west. So its not a struggle between east and west, as some adjacent has suggested. That house has been in place for 8 years. Its mandate was 18 months. Its still there. We have and a, with the high council of state which met, which has been in power for 10 years. And they both are responsible for a natural. They dont want to get out. And they are now trying to give us a good Transitional Government number 9 in 11 years. And thats what the problem is. What libyans need, we know that elections are not that mass magic won, but weve tried everything. Over the last 11 years, we produced 11 governments, these 2 bodies that exist now day household executives in the east and the high council of state in the west. I have been responsible for a Transitional Government. I can remind everybody that in 2015 we reached an agreement and serat, for a Transitional Government called g n, u government of national g and a government of national court. It was supposed to lead to elections in 2016. The house of representatives in the east, the created about government and killed elections in 2021. Were ish as a you and sponsor the agreement in geneva. And we created a unity government called the government of National Unity to all the elections. And 2022 that got the household with that is on the east created at the new a bashar government barrel government and kill the elections for. And so right now, the only solution out of this that ness is elections that will take away the household presented as the i council of state it, babe, as government, bashar was government and to hire the president ial council and give us a fresh chance with a freshman date or a jason pen, what do you make of what you heard that to any of the political actors in libya . Actually care about what the people of libya want to study from factor into their actions to us does either one of the, the Prime Ministers of the motor actually want an election. Well, thats a great point. Neither of them do and a professor althea and mister buck, 2 should make key point switches that this isnt a struggle between east and west. Its a struggle between status, co actors who want to stay in power, keep their cronies and power of the central bank or o dac, the office of development of administrative centers, where you can skim billions off the top and the h o r and in east as you know, long past its mandate. I think that the libyan peoples wishes have been ignored and mr. About to his point that we need electrons is key. But he stressing to my mind too much the legitimacy of the deprive a government and the existing institutions. Electrons are needed, hes right, but thats to wipe away the old. All the old has no sovereignty, its past its mandate. Serrato is no longer legally binding. And i think the key thing is to put this in larger context for your viewers. Were living in a world of global enduring disorder. This is a world in which major nation states can coordinate with each other. Russia, china in the us, dont coordinate together on Climate Change and the arctic because theyre fighting in ukraine and taiwan and therefore they cant get together to Work Together to find a solution and incentivize libyans to get their act together. In fact, they metal and make it more difficult for the various libyan parties. Turkey is playing a useful mediating role, but theyre happy with either Prime Minister. The morattis have flipped sides multiple times and we need an International Community which speaks with one voice to incentivize these libby and electrons and deny starboard anti to anyone who stays on beyond its mandate. Otherwise, were going to have what weve had for the last 11 years, which is it soon as anyone gets into power, he holds his chair for dear life and never wants to depart his chair, because thats where he gains the ability to corrupt money and to put his cronies in charge of various institutions. All right, well come back to International Reaction in just a moment, but i want to pick up on of what you were saying at the beginning. That answer that professor al kicker, would either side be prepared to accept the government led by someone who has no ties to the government of National Unity or the to brook parliament. And it does that person even exist on it. And is that actually what the people of libya want . See, i think i think this point is one for what you say is, as jason said is, is right to the point. The problem is here we get, there is gone. But get there because in the still, in libya that is spent or 2 years hammering out a sense of rationalism libyans, they do this. I mean, youll be surprised to see that theres no sentiment that the libyans, that the oldest, that something that they care about it, they dont what they care about, most of their pockets one way or another. And more important, they dont care about legitimacy than what else. I mean, just coming to ben garza right now, if its still a gossip with the signs of carlos with drug dealers of latin america, the drug, the folder, the 3 laws. But theres, nobody calls them. The problem here really is so, so serious, so serious that, that there is no sense that i belong to this, that i or i mean, i dont, i do not asking what you kind of does a country is not there. The issue is very, very serious. There is no sense of libyan is the one that is at least so i really dont care about that. Youre going to do more. I dont care what it, what it is, say it because because the special read miss williams. Stephanie williams, what departing statement, and i was very clear about what the government is doing right now. What they will, they asked prior to. They dont care. As simple as that, if they said they wouldnt be there in the 1st place, there would agree or somebody whos usual, who at least tries to try to put things together. What were going right now, its direct towards division. Im sorry to say to my friends, which are you do like the guys by brandon, my brother. But we have 2 states with 2 governments we have to parliament will have to. It is very, very different. Quite now, thanks to this in levin is that who had and what he is a good looking at. Of course you have all of that the various armed, malicious in the country as well. Mr. Albert crew shack, house, how come democracy take hold. When you have these armed militias in control of large parts of the country, while these are malicious, are a problem indeed. But this is a symptom, and that is not the cause of the problem. The cause of the problem is that we have no constitution. We have no election, we have no elected government. And thats why right now you cant talk to the russian and tell them that for example, get out of the country because he then, you know, the other government wants me in. And the and demolition say, well, youre not elected. I hafta kills every government since 2011 that i will not submit to any government has not elected. So heres the issue, we need to stabilize the political situation. So we can deal with the, with, with, with the problem and i found the house a little house. How house, or do you do that . We do that by election. We what that the thing is is that when you suggested maybe there will agree to our 3rd government death. Neither here thats neither based on much of thats exactly what theyre aiming for. Another deal to split a government. And this, what they did was for the 10 times before, and it didnt get us anywhere after a year or a year and a couple of months there were down, back at each all others throat. And they want another power sharing div will done with that. We need all these bodies that proved beyond doubt, that there are incapable doubt incompetent. And there are corrupt when we need him to go and have a fresh chance of doing something else. So we can finish the constitution for gods sake. Weve been working on it for 11 years and it was supposed to be in the constitution decal declaration. Its supposed to be finished within a 120. 00 days of one at 2014. So so heres the situation we have to deal. We have to deal with the political situation, get an elected debt, a constituent assembly, and deal with all this problem. We can talk with one voice that nobody can challenge. Its legitimate. Jason, a title 9 question perhaps here but, but speaking with one voice as, as one country does libya have a future as one single country given at the moment that its, its governed by 2 separate entities and is roughly split, split it east and west. I think lib is a country um the oil infrastructure, criss crosses east and west water from the southeast. And cobra is used to ah, you know, give the people of tripoli Drinking Water and the ports and subsidies systems are connected. I agree with our, my other guests, we need bold solutions, but we need to do what. Ah, mr. Buck do suggested which is separating causes from symptoms. And hawes is the libyan economic structure. Its not that theres no constitution or that this government to that government is in power. Its the subsidy system. And the very nature of how the libyan economy works. We need an International Financial commission, which takes control of libyas finances and makes it, that its not worth fighting for to get control of the central bank. And until that happens, libya has become africanized and has become the plaything of the global enduring disorder where turkey and russia fight each other, egypt and the u. H. E fight each other and libyans are just left, you know, on opposite sides of this divide. So is the very nature of the root causes, which is the libyan economic system, which promotes Resource Capture that needs to be treated professor, how do we bring about what chases is proposing there . Thats the 1000000 dollar question i have, i have no idea. The truth is, i have no idea under, under the getting what we get, what were giving in our hand like that. I dont know how we can do that. Ultimately, i mean the problems lawless. The militias and dominating west editor has done it in the east. The people dont work there so they just dont work. Im yes, you can on your wife or whatever. All the getting out a little salaries is not the infrastructure. Love it. You all are there where maybe more money gone. For the last 40 years, i had no idea rose or not working. It just not working. Factories are all gone. And yet, believe it or not, factors of clothes and that the employees of those factors are still getting wages more than what supposedly working in those factories. And theyre getting bonuses to as well do it and then get motors and then all strike. I mean, this is, this is, this is what we have right in front of us. Yes, i agree. Is that the only problem . I have no doubt about that, but the country is not working any other way is becoming it was the rental states only getting oil, but they do nothing with that except for salaries and eating it. And that the way no idea holler or at the salt salad l. L. Because how do we, how do we get away from this present moment of danger than and how do we bring about what jason was was describing for us . There are some sort of long term fix here. Is it possible to do . Well, i know i, i as i and the so jason suggested as an International Mechanism for managing her lives that are sources. But i think thats, thats probably akin to mr. Trump suggesting that we drink bleach to get rid of a corona as not possible. So. So i think the International Community succeeded in 2021 to tell the house of representatives and the hi catherine state. Did they have no monopoly on the political process and brought 13 of the house of representatives and 13 of the house at the high cost on state into the libyan political dialogue, which had 75 people. And they managed to get a unified government, mr. Cole, which dropped the ball later on and the air here we are. So i think we can go back to the same process and finish it by election. That 2800000 people registered for like the report suggested there is no other way out of it. We cant continue with these bodies that gave us all these transitional governance and we are still in the same place, but maybe worse than we were 5 or 10 years ago. Jason, ive got a minute left on the program will give up the last word to you. What, what do you, what do you make of what you just heard . The thank you. I dont think elections are the solution. Its not about nationalizing or internationalizing libyas finances, but changing the rules of the game, making things transparent, having an International Financial commission which overseas libby, as finances, and that unifies the previously to visit international actors. Russians turks, emerald is all me to get their back payments paid as to the italians and fractured americans. We need to adjudicate all of the corruption and pay some contracts 0. 10 on the dollar and other 0. 80 on the dollar. This can be solved. There are when, when solutions there do you, when is more a bond, its going to need to have a fit for purpose vehicle. The probably led by the e u, the u. S. With our allies. Okay. Like turkey and the amaris check up. This is low hanging fruit here, and we can do this if we rallied the kind of resolve that has been shown in ukraine. Gentlemen, were out of time. Many thanks today for being with a solid, alba, cush, adjacent pack and to a professor on so. 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