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John is Foreign Ministry said today that it was compelled to act in self defense and all the action that was being taken was targeted at taiwan. Separate his forces, state media report just after noon. Thats long range live firing drills are being carried out in 6 exclusion zone surrounding taiwan. And its population of 23000000 people and their precision strikes had been conducted and achieved the expected results. Theres also lots of unverified video that circulating on social media showing a rockets being fired from china in the direction of taiwan. Its i one also said that had to chase away our aircraft as well as a warship said that had crossed over the median line. That we reviewed fighting between armina another by john along the dispute at the corner, kerber region cur, about forces say the last 2 fighters, one as the by johnny soldier has also been killed. Armenia and as a by john had been locked in a decades old dispute for the territory and the fort too was over it the bank of england as hike the Interest Rate by a half. A percentage point is biggest trump since 1995. That the move is aimed at carving the u. K. Worst inflation in 40 years bank also was that the country will enter a recession in the final 3 months of the year. One used half now with emily until it since id story here on out to sarah ah. Standing with taiwan in defiance of china, us how speak at nancy pelosi has ended her controversial visit to the self group island. Its triggered an angry response from beijing. But how will tie pay and washington deal with the full mouth . This is inside story. Ah po, welcome to the program on can vanelle, nancy pelosi has become the most senior us politician to visit taiwan in 25 years. The u. S. How speak is spent less than a day on the cellphone island, but china, which claims taiwan as part of its territory called the trip a direct challenge to its sovereignty. Aging had issued threats and warnings before pelosi even touched down. But americas 3rd most powerful politician was undeterred, saying washington was committed to preserving taiwan democracy. China is responding with live 5 military drills and an import band on time when hes products. Well bring in our guests in a moment, 1st this report from homages june for us. How speaker nancy pelosi, a high profile trip to taiwan. Fraught with both complications and contradictions. Americas 3rd most powerful politician, repeating washingtons commitment to protect democracy on the self governed island. While also respecting badging so called one china policy. Today, the world say says the choice between democracy and autocracy. Americas determination to preserve democracy here in taiwan and around the world. We, ne, ironclad taiwanese president saw in win who gave pelosi, one of the highest civilian honors, promised to defend the island from beijings threats. Angel hello, aggression against democratic taiwan would have a tremendous impact on the security of the entire in the pacific. The man facing deliberately heightened to military threats ta one will not back down. We will say me up, hold on nation sovereignty and continue to hold the line of defense for democracy. China, which considers taiwan a part of its territory, has said it once a peaceful reunification and views, policies visit as a direct provocation or panda. Tie one sighing wayne and her ilk a clinging to us and turning their backs on national justice. These behaviors that go against the trend of times will not change the International Consensus of one china and will not change the historic trend that tie one will inevitably return to the motherland. Those who play with fire will not come to a good end, and those who offend china will be punished. Even during policies visit chinas reaction was fast and furious. Suspending imports and exports of several goods to and from taiwan, conducting joint air and sea live ammunition drills near taiwan. And summoning the u. S. Ambassador in beijing. Policys trip has come to an end. But with chinese American Relations at such a low point, its not clear yet what the long term repercussions of this visit will be. Mohammed drum drum for inside story. Well, lets look more closely at the u. S. Relationship with taiwan. Washington does not have formal diplomatic ties with the island, but maintains what it calls. A policy of strategic ambiguity recognizes the Chinese Government in beijing, but not chinas territorial claim to taiwan. The u. S. Does supply weapons to taipei and its 1979. Taiwan relations act. The island is a Major Economic and Technology Partner to the u. S. It supplies more than half of the world. Semiconductors, china seas, taiwan as a breakaway province. That will eventually be united and hasnt rolled out using force. Ah, lets bring in our guests in taipei, vincent chow form a director of the Political Division at the time pe, economic and Cultural Representative Office in the u. S. And a former chief of staff to both the Taiwan NationalSecurity Council and foreign minister in miami, june 24 drayer, professor Political Science at the university of miami and editor of the book taiwan in the area of science. When changes and challenges. And in beijing, henry who yeah, when founder and president of the center for china and globalization and director of the chinese peoples institute of foreign affairs, a variable and welcome to you. All. Id like to start with you in re we are wang in beijing with your thoughts on nancy pelosi visit and the reaction that weve seen so far to that visit. Well, i think this is a really, a bad move actually on the, on the mostly because she came to, you know, a relation to china. You as already are the lowest on also the war is the face them and then face in the you can rushing prices, Energy Prices and the other questions as well. So we just have the present person by the end of the last week. And we also have a 5 high level dialogue between senior officials between china, u, as in law school bus. So we, we dont want to see this happen truly for nancy pelosi personal games because she, she has been branded, has been really by her name. Her know though that and to china. Busy and also really not, not in good relations with china. You x rays you so sure shes, shes really, ive been on the go on to research and for the master ology. So i think that shes really a, went to taiwan, baby, so im present. So i think that the band, the not only the us, china really, but also bring the series a crisis to the cross street of taiwan. And so this is going to be really breaking a lot of the status quo. And i think theres going to be a lot of constant prisons in the future. Thats really good. Were seeing that the duration of the so the missions ok, i just want to pause you there and cross over to type pe, vincent child. What do you make of nancy pelosi reception in taiwan . What is her visit mean for taiwan or just to start henrys point about china . I think please really trying to say shes been pro democracy basically her whole life. If anything, i think shes pro china democracy and she was in german. She showed support for democracy, both in china and taiwan in the past. And i think what it comes down to is this both. He has a great track record when it comes to putting him right at the Office Around the world and her coming here to taiwan and. And when we look at it, there is no breaking the status quo. New gingrich speaker that comes in 1997. The chinese, the not as bad fighter dads that at all that down by far exercises. Ready dont engage in comic sanctions and so it becomes a bit disingenuous to say that hey, i mean time has not changed china hutchins. This is clearly within precedence. This has been done before. The reaction design is far above and beyond what we saw last time around. And so clearly something within the c b as changed. Then its difficult to imagine a scenario where countries around the region and the u. S. Are not gonna respond to them. June teufel dray, is there anything that you would add to that . Yes, i believe the speaker from beijing. Ers. When he said that this is upsetting status quo, china has been upsetting the status quo and the child straight for quite some time. Now with a lot of docket is actions and talks about time cables for unification, or state persistence con reification. Even though taiwan has never been part of the bus republic of china, and i was a paul, a effort to write history here. Quatro new who has a spokeswoman for the chinese Foreign Ministry saying that taiwan has always been a province of china. This is simply not true, it was declared a province in chief dynasty for less than 10 years, less than 10 years. When john japan took it over and made it a colony of japan. Lying about the fax is not going to help to the situation. So i think hello, shes visit was designed as been was saying do as a show of support because against china is trying to change the status quo. Why just before we move on, mr. What, why does taiwan medicine much to nancy pelosi and to the us. It matters for a number of reasons. One of the reasons nancy pelosi came, it gave me that she has always been a strong supporter of democracy around the world. The United States in general, which mediately puts it against china, which is defending authoritarianism. But a 2nd reason is strategic. Python is strategically extremely important because it is part of the 1st island chain of defense against aggression by the peoples ration army. And it is Chinese Military standard just have referred to taiwan. The buckle in the chain keeps people to the ration army bottled up behind the 1st island shane and breaking, taking over taiwan. Were getting access to a very important port, sean and also an entryway. And they have specifically sh chad, an entryway to the blue pacific. And guam, guam is a u. S. Territory. And of course, halfway toward hawaii. So that bothers americans strategic plan. Of course, id love to go back to henri in beijing. China obviously views this visit as a violation. What are the chances that you think china would go beyond live fire drills and actually take military action and taiwan . Well, i think this is really, really a great in the pattern and the norm in the last, you know, 4 or 5 decades actually break to the status quo. Because in the, in the ninetys 70 my, you know, the john k established by china, u. S. The john company k stipulates, you know, of course us come in tank culture and commercial ties was taiwan, but no official times, not to work liter state it. Thats the prerequisite that you know, you start the diplomatic times, you s b u. S. In china and also for 100. 00 countries around the war, the child established of americans use a dashing diplomatic ties. This is just a visit from the house speaker. Well, this is the office that shes the 3rd highest branch of the issue that youre talking. Sure, absolutely. Shes over to that, thats all for sure with that. Thats thats, thats a fact. I mean, also a part of china for, for the long history. Its a, its always a part of john as 1st time for me to hear that time its not part of china thats, thats really losses. So. So i think that, you know, she really a break that pattern and thats why i mean child is always response. I mean, child to them a well, but thats a closing and also military as, as you mentioned about around that time and well be really response, really a response. But i have to, you know, that, so theres and use a trash in law. Theres, theres a, theres a independence and thought trying to see. And then, and then of course you as a plane, this problem car, its really escalating the situation there. So i come back to my initial question. Do you think that china would actually take military action in taiwan . Why think matter channels already or you know, we, you know, theres a lot of flights over a, the street already last night and also from the, from the 3rd will 7 are going to be admitted to record the wrong time. Well, thats already broad. And the last already so, so the absolute nurse responses, those are action as take a mirror that thats very obvious so, so that is also part of the record better as well. You responded to the so were vision by and as the closing. Vincent, how in taipei are every day time and these people are concerned about the rationing up of tensions concerned about these live fire drills that are going to be happening. I think whats fortunate is the publications and military intimidation and gordon certainly has become part and parcel of everyday life here and a and weve really seen a wrapping up of pensions from the military jets flying across our air defense. I did asian zone economic course of action including most recently the batting of Food Products and so for them, so its become really a part of routine life. And you know, that has its pitfalls on its own, but its also an unfortunate consequence of the relationship or the lack of what we see today. But i do have one point if we take this idea of china, meaning the peoples republic of china has never been part of the. Ready historical, there is no, theres never been a Peoples Liberation army soldier in taiwan. Never wanted never said, but i want. And so it becomes very disingenuous to say that has become part of china for a very, very long time. And so thats partially what i want to respond to, but secondly, on the one relation that and take me isnt that no hurt within any of these documents . Doesnt mention that those speaker can visit how one of the members of the legislative branch in visit one and or no member of the executive for that matter. This is just not part of whats written literature within the 3 Committee Case ordered home relations or to 6 assurances for that matter. And so we have to be very clear, right . Because we dont want to stumble in the next crisis based on your state. And we dont want to do next crisis based on word of mouth. So we have to be very clear in the past and what keeping with the status quo and when we have a visit by speaker of the house that has taken place 25 years ago. It becomes very, very difficult for us in plenty, plenty to say that this is completely cool. Thats not true. Okay, i want to talk about us policy toward taiwan. But we just wanna take a moment because President Joe Biden cause control the c back in may. When he publicly stated that the yes would defend taiwan if beijing were to attack, you didnt want to get involved in the ukraine conflict militarily for obvious reasons. Are you willing to get involved militarily to defend taiwan . If it comes to that . Yes, you are. Thats a commitment. We made a 2nd and we may, we are not look, heres the situation. We agree with the one china policy we signed on to him. All the attendance agreements made from there, but the idea that it can be taken by force is taken by force is just not just not appropriate, dislocate the entire region, and be another action similar to what happened in ukraine or the white house. Quickly i insisted that washingtons policy had not, in fact changed at june. Teufel dreyer, has the Body Administration been confused about his policy . It was that just a gaffe on, on the passes of president biden. I, well, its been a gas, but in fact, what china has been doing is insisting on if definition of a one china policy, which is that there is but one china and its capital, is in beijing. And taiwan is a part of that is not with United States, signed onto the shawna. I communicate said very clearly that the United States acknowledge, is that the chinese give it did not say it agreed with china. Right . So china has been trying to shift what the United States meant and the shock i can get a k. It has in fact, been trying to shift the status quo for many years. And there is always going to be push back. The non states Public Opinion is strongly supportive of taiwan ability to determine its own future of many of your top officials, pie one, were educated with the and in the United States. And it is very important to us not to lead a democracy, which has been a good friend of the United States to come to the treatment that beijing has made it out in shin john and hong kong. Ok, id like to cross over to you, henry, who you want to say. Do you have any response to that . What you just heard there . Well, i think that a communique there was saying the people cost us time on straight over my chinese. I mean theres, theres one child, i mean, also we have these 92 consensus. There, there was even a meeting between president and the, and the former president my and you know, all the time. And then so definitely a little before the before the time and took over millions of the mainland chinese to taiwan. And also, you know, the people in both places share the same College Wilson language and before and average so, so i think really its want to try know, you have a different person. Ok. Mm hm. You know, like i, we dont want to get stuck on the sticking points of, of history because obviously that we have, we have conflicting views here. I want to get into the analysis of this before i move on from you, henry here, you know, and is this, do you think just a, is this a bilateral spat between the u. S. And china, or what are the Global Implications of this d . Thank what so has the termite does the impact on the go, you know, chinese, the stabilize of the Global Economy trying to contribute over a month or 2 ago, would you be gross . China actually is the larger the measure was 1. 00 to 30. 00 countries and china. You know, even that was that a trade war going on try to us is those input actually has increased the last several years so, so, you know, is a stable as no, we dont want, you know, the war now is that your experience that you can rushing cries and, and also that we have these pan down, hes doing more going on and the war need both us and china and they have more responsibility will see the war really going in the right direction. So we dont want to really be a really plague about this, a domestic politics, the china become a scapegoat. And also we see that, you know, 5 high level talks and be tutors in presentation present by them. They also one china policy. You dont want to have a cold war with all the content. China. Ok, well lets do the, do the b not, not just words. You know, thats really the problem. The child highway is being played. Does a pretty the car against china, which is where im 40. Im vincent challenge i pay. And as we said earlier, china has responded with an input pan on time. And hes products is taiwan able to withstand the economic price that its now being forced to pay . Well, its a, its a, its a for a relationship. But economic and trade relationship that we have with china. And its unfortunate back, but its true that majority of trade, those go through china and the china is a major center for how many businesses. And so thats an important part of the economy. And so its, its a bit disappointing when on both china and i want to members of the w t o, when we see arbitrary trade rules and course on ponies products with the process. When we see a trade in really played as a, on an economic card against this relationship and, and, and frankly, does a lot of companies, businesses and its also something we hope to see. But, you know, we do have to put it in this context. I mean one is a industrial powerhouse where high tech. Ready society and, you know, obviously trade on agricultural is important and all the cultural provides love jobs here in high want. But its, its, its one aspect of a many, much multifaceted relationship. And let me know theres this trade, the spirit were trying to has really highlighted need of why kids like clothes are so important because i dont both need economically better than as a free market society. We need to provide incentives, preferably to retrieve them. So this is something that were looking very keenly and we do hope that we can make progress on us future june, twice on trial. We are coming to the end of the program, but i want to ask you sign when has posited herself as a defender of taiwanda ah integrity, what kind of position of i in now, i think that this can only enhance her popularity. Now she is terminated, shes been our 2nd term as president. But i predict with some certainty that her popularity ratings, which were already pretty good. Because as you know, taiwan was a beacon for the world countries. In terms of dealing with coven outbreak, can so popularity ratings were already very high. They are going to be higher. As a result of this. Do you think there is International Concern . June . Thats china. Us tensions over taiwan may divert attention from ukraine. Internationally. Thats a very interesting question because initially it was rooted about that one of the reason she didnt pay me was being so aggressive toward taiwan, which by the way, prompted nancy pelosi is that i was losing and it was, it was dispirited by what was happening in ukraine and it thought that the United States would be so distracted by what was happening in ukraine, that it wouldnt do anything to counter act, the increasing chinese aggression against taiwan and visit shows that do you was mistaken or i, i, i think that is about all we have time for theres obviously so much we could more we could talk about, but for time we will have to leave it there. Big thank you to all of i guess vincent chow June Teufel Dreyer and henry out one and thank you for watching. You can see the program again any time by visiting our website al jazeera dot com. And for further discussion, go to Facebook Page that facebook dot com forward slash a de inside story. 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