Security council. It happened during a series of russian attacks on several cities across ukraine, including the capital, keith, ukrainian, residential buildings and Energy Facilities were struck in whats been described as the heaviest assault wave of the war. So far as bringing that journal whos live for us and keep as a journal, bring us right up to date with a very nice but fast moving story this. So tell us about those, those missiles what would it seems that an additional consequence of the enormous wave of massage tax launched by russia at ukraine as you say, targeting some 12 cities in 10 regions across this country . Is that it is possible that 2 of those Russian Missiles crossed over the border into polish territory, fell on farmland. So it is being reported by polish media killing to farm workers. Certainly 2 explosions were reported. There is no independent corroboration that these were Russian Missiles. One news agency, the associated crest is quoting an unnamed Us Intelligence official, suggesting that they were the polish government has immediately gone into Emergency Security council meeting, including the president , the prime minister, intelligence and defense chiefs. The military is on the ground. At the sight of this explosion, and indeed this is causing ripples across the region, as you might imagine, because of the consequences, the significance of this possibility. If indeed it is proven and so europe in countries are reacting fairly swiftly. Nato allies. The Foreign Ministry all lack fear, calling it a criminal act of the criminal russian regime. Foreign, mis, hows that landed on nato territory. The Foreign Ministry of estonia. With this statement recently, the latest news from poland is most concerning. We are consulting closely with poland and other allies. Estonia is ready to defend. Every inch of nato territory were in full solidarity without a close ally, poland. And i can tell you that in the last half hour or so, theres been reaction from russia as well. The Russian Ministry of defense quoted by the russian news. Why ria, nova state releasing a statement that says this polish media and officials talking about the alleged fall of Russian Missiles on punish territory is a deliberate provocation in order to escalate the situation. No strikes were made against targets near the ukrainian or polish state board of the polish state board. That is, and just to give you an additional bit of context, the facts appear to be that it around 1540. 00 in the afternoon ponies time, 1640. 00 here. These explosions happened, as i said in farmland, inside poland. Now, that was pretty much exactly the time that a 2nd wave of missiles was reported here in ukraine via messaging apps of the Ukrainian Armed forces and the, the air raid siren system here. That indicated that missiles might be 5, might be heading towards the north of the country, apparently towards targets perhaps in the city in the north and loots also very close to the photos border and they were impacts in those areas. So the timing very strongly co corroborates the flight of missiles from russia towards the north of this country. But as i said, the very latest we have is a staunch denial by russia and very little if anything in the way of Firm Evidence to corroborate what may be Russian Missiles, landing on post territory, the territory of course, of the native country and joining well when talking to you more reaction coming in, we just heard from the white house saying that cannot confirm reports coming out of poland, but said they were working with the polish government to, to gather more information. And what he said will determine what happened, what the appropriate next steps would be in the position. Everyone will take at this stage, kind of cautiously looking at what will happen, but with within the context that poland is a native country. Youve got to imagine that this is going to be treated with not just the utmost urgency, but also extraordinary sensitivity because of just have delicate all of this isnt just how he cotton and unsettling. Potentially the consequences may be polish media, a citing military analysts as suggesting, for instance, that these missiles may well have been intended for targets inside ukraine. But were in fact it intercepted by Ukrainian Air defense. The ukranian government says that of the 90 to 100 missiles that were fired by russia, more than 70 were brought down by ukrainian defences. And perhaps in the act of intercepting the Cruise Missiles fired from hundreds and hundreds of miles away. They are carried through the air a greater distance across the border, therefore falling if youd like, inadvertently inside phone. And i think the major question really here is whether they were 5 by russia. But more importantly, whether they were 5 deliberately at the territory of a native country to the health of time being. Thank you very much indeed for that live update. Or the pentagon has just spoken about the instant tippett cannot confirm anything yet. I can tell you that we dont have any information at this time to corroborate those reports and are looking into this further. And so when we do have an update to provide will be sure to do so. Lets bring might, can, whos in washington d. C. And, and like we just alluded to the reaction from the white house, but not just what, what they will be doing at the moment and, and whats going on that . Well, lets just clarify that. Weve just had a tweet not from the white house, but from the national Security Council, in which it says, basically what the pentagon is saying. Weve seen these reports out of poland, said the tweet and working with the polish government to gather more information. They continue. We cannot confirm the report, so any of the details at this time, we will determine what happened and what the appropriate next steps will be. Thats from the national Security Council. Now that issue about the next steps. Well, the pentagon was asked the question, but it didnt want to speculate, said the spokesperson there. And that is about article 5. Now what article 5 is, is something that has been the bedrock of nato since it was formed back in 1949, all 30 members agreeing that should there be an armed attack on one of the members . Its an unarmed attack on all. This is an absolutely central piece of natos philosophy, and certainly it is something that raises the possibility of why the involvement within this conflict. Should these reports prove accurate and should, if at any stage article 5 be invoked, i must hasten to add though, that article 5 is only been invoked once in natos history. And that was following the attacks on the us in 911. My kind of thank you very much and ill just there is harry force. It has recently returned from cape, joins me live in the studio. So that weve been in some ways in a situation similar to this before. Tell us about the, your experience of, of, you know, how these story develop and what people are concerned about. Well, yes, i mean, this is, in the military parlance, a very kinetic situation where these sorts of things are always in a, at risk of happening. And weve seen some pretty close such scrapes already. There was a major attack on a Ukrainian Military base west of kia, very close to the polish border in march, which killed 35 people. And then when i was there just just last month on the 31st of october indeed theres another big tranche of attacks on Energy Infrastructure across ukraine and one shot down russian miss. Ill deborah of that cell in moldova. No one dead, not a nato member. Obviously, this potential incident is very different to People Killed inside an 8 country. Mike was just talking about article 5, the language of that, as he says, an attack on one is an attack on all the collective right to self defense can be enacted and that such action deemed necessary, including the use of armed force can be used. So doesnt automatically mean that armed force would be used. And one other piece of information coming from a respected security analyst professor. Its in times university. Philip bryan, flips obrien saying that theres also article for that. There is one step before you get to article 5, where countries could come together consults, if in the language of that article in the opinion of any of them, territorial integrity, political independence, or security of any of the parties is threatened. So there is something of an off ramp then. And in the meantime, we have heard from Russias Defense Ministry. The statement saying is statements by post median officials about the russian of missile hitting put a churchyard, deliberate provocation with the aim of escalation, the situation. So denial from russia said it was phase one might expect anyway, but, but i suppose its possible that that could be, is that the to the scenario that i was talking about where its actually not intentional might be the, the front that youre talking about. Exactly. Yeah, russia could, theres a chance that it generally wasnt intentional. I mean that the idea of russia attacking United Country deliberately is a, a major escalation. There is the possibility, it was either a stray mis or one that was shut down. Russia saying its a deliberate attempt to provoke by ukraine. There will be these various narratives. I just say emerging has also been margarita simonian, the, the head of the r t network in russia, not an official voice, but one very close to the kremlin, saying that there have been cities inside russia that have been attacked from inside ukraine. What did you expect was her message, so that will be various voices coming out. Its also important to say that the the baltic countries a lot, dear lithuania, estonia already saying that they will stand together with poland, no matter what action is required. Next, i force it to thank you very much indeed. For mister harry mentioned, some reactions were bold except the lithuanian president. Turkey done us no say to as reacted strongly. He wrote on twitter concerning news from poland tonight on at least 2 explosions, keeping close contact with our polish friends. And if you and your stands in strong solidarity with poland, every inch of nato territory must be defended. In response, Russias Defense Ministry is reported to said statements by punish media and officials about the Russian Missiles hitting punish territory are a deliberate provocation with the aim of escalating, the situation went on to say no strikes against targets near the ukrainian parish border have been carried out by russian weapons, during the whole has more now on the missile attacks the destruct several cities across ukraine during the day. It was one of the largest missa barrages, yet to be unleashed hitting targets across ukraine, an hour before dark. This was a residential building in central keith. One of 2 struck not far from the president ial administration. Show i know the strikes disabled, our electrical grid and ministers of our country. We are working with research, everything that will good through everything glory to ukraine. Ukrainian government believes more than 90 missiles were launched at targets in 10 regions and up to 12 cities. Somewhat in our air defense took out 70 rockets. Unfortunately, 15 rockets hit Energy Infrastructure as city official after city official reported explosions. It became clear that not for the 1st time, ukraines ability to produce and distribute electricity was under fire. Cities in the north, south center and west reported partial or total blackouts. The National Energy company described the situation as critical these attacks then a sequel to a wave of weekly strikes in october ahead of what for many will be a crippling winter when if the object of this wave of strikes was to hit Critical Infrastructure and further pressurize the National Grid is clearly working. Look at that, and Emergency Operation taking place at the sight of one of the strikes hearing keys. With the exception of a spotlight driven by a generator, its taking place in almost total darkness. Petro romance, sugar described the moment, his building was hit, killing a neighbor, he knew well, actually saw the flame that exposure happened. Clos, shattered the smoke filled apartments. The neighbor country met her boot and was very neighborly. They say she died. Tuesdays attack comes days after rushes humiliating withdrawal from the southern port city of san. He also coincides with the g 20 meeting in bali where the leader after leader coltrane end to the war, rushes answer with 7000000 ukrainians. Now said to be without power is clearly no. Lets bring back in joe hall from keven. Understand. Weve got some reaction now from the presence lensky. So hes out to me. So, joe, no, sorry, yes, i was just wondering whether you could give us more information about chosen lensky is the reaction. Hes been saying that the Russian Missiles have struck poland. And i wondered if you had any more on what hed been saying this evening. Im afraid hell have to forgive me, laura, im not aware as yet of president landscape comments along these lines. You may have more of it in front of you there. Actually, president lensky will also be choosing his words with care and pointing out no more than we know, which is the apparent flight of 2 Russian Missiles into polish territory. But that is not something we are able at this moment to corroborate. Yes, just to recap, to represent, the sky has said that Russian Missiles have struck poland and he says, weve long warned that russian actions are not limited to ukraine. And he also said that the ukraine were always support potent. And so i suppose its kind of an extension of the sense that ukraine has been warning for a while. That it, that its, that is the kind of a bo walk against russian aggression. Isnt it . Absolutely, i mean these follow on from comments that president lensky made to g 20 leaders g 19 leaders. He said they should be known as in bali and indeed, every time he has the opportunity to address international leaders. As you said, he sounds this warning of what is happening in ukraine at the hands of russian aggression is something that cannot of the world cannot afford to ignore and that kid could easily spill over into other areas. Perhaps other areas of former russian or soviet dominion. And so, yes indeed, this will play very much into the messaging. The president lensky is very keen to put about. But im sure that he too, will be aware of the weight, the significance of all of this. And be keen as everyone elses to hear from perhaps the polish government when they come out of their Security Council meeting. And we hear what evidence they have been able to gather on the scene, the polish military, on the scene, 10 kilometers inside polish territory. Just north of the city will vive, here in ukraine where earlier this afternoon these events took place. General. Thank you very much indeed. Of more erection or not so going on apart, and were joined now by about or shake, whos the editor in chief of o. Net, a news outlet in poland and tell us bit more about the meeting thats going on at the moment there. This is so this is a meeting of national Security Council and the top for government officials are present at the meeting. A my understanding is that are they meeting the military experts who went to the side of the or the place where the event took place today . And they listening to the military experts and depending on what the experts tell them, depending on what really happened. Because so far we dont know or depending on what happened, there will be a reaction from the polish government. There will be a consultation with the nato allies with ultimate im a member states. Thats why you heard the pentagon spokesperson l telling us that they dont know what happened so far, because they also, they also waiting for the polish government or pull, establish what happened. And depending on all of it tonight or at the latest tomorrow, there will be a reaction from the nato members and gave it gives an indication of where this incident happened and, and, and a little bit of the geography of it. So it happened oh, in a countryside it happened in a very small village, about 89 kilometers from the border of ukraine are close to the city of both. And on the other side of the border are there is the train station that is used by our ukrainian trains. And we think that the train station was the target of the my style attack by russian military. And we dont know why the messiah went astray. We dont think we truly dont think that poland was actually a target of the attack. But we dont think that the messiah missed ice coast, for some reason, went astray. And they crossed the border and sold in poland, who think they would kill my so that went to poland. And thats what we know for now thats. Thats all we open up. The end, the area that wont happen is actually closed our reporter. So from on it and other media in poland are trying to get to the side. We see some pictures from the side, but this is all unofficial. So officially we still dont know what really happened. And at the end unofficially at the it is you understand that if 2 people have been killed as ever to punish people being killed as a result of it. Yes, our understanding is that people, people are that there are farmers or who are working outside. And the tractor that they were traveling on was hit by a messiah. Thank you very much indeed about our show. When bla check, thank you very much for the distribution. As good luck to mike hannah in washington d. C. So my friend is up to date with a seems we dont have mike kind of but weve got some listen, i have just been coming in that she from the state department. Talking about this situation was i heard from nato, she was looking into, is it put it reports of missiles hitting poland. The state Department Says that reports that Russian Missiles, of course, into part of near the Ukrainian Border. Incredibly concerning, would you have my kind of now . So my reaction coming in from the state Department Took us through the very latest. Yes. Well, whats happening is that weve heard from the pentagon, weve not heard from the national Security Council that now statements coming out of the state. But partment is a Common Thread through all of those statements that yes, weve heard about the reports. We are looking into the matter. We are trying to get confirmation that in fact, a Russian Missiles did go into poland near the Ukrainian Border. So at the moment, no confirmation that the event actually occurred. Yet all agencies of the United States clearly looking into what actually happened, the pentagon spokesman saying as well, he didnt want to get n t and to any speculation about what would happen next, should these reports, in fact prove true. But the discussion already in a u. S. Circles is along the lines of the article 5. Now this is a critical part of natos doctrine, in terms of which an attack on any partner is an attack on all partners. So it calls for the support and complete backing of all the members of nato. Should one of their members come under attack . Now, this is early speculation. Once again, were still trying to get confirmation from the u. S. That these attacks in fact occurred. However, as i said, that discussion is ongoing. Behind the scenes, i must add, as well though, that in natos entire history. Article 5 as only being invoked once, and that was off to the 911. 00 attacks in the United States. We have heard some reaction from the president zalinski ukraine president , and he said that as in sky has said that Russian Missile strikes on nato territory is significant escalation and action is needed. But we also heard from that from, from russia that this was a ukrainian provocation. And theyre denying it, so theres a space that the counter, the narrative encounter. Narrative will be difficult to, to establish at this stage that whats, whats going to happen next . Well indeed, yes, i mean, what happens next is determines on what indeed happened within the last hour or so with the strike was intentional, because thats obviously a massive factor that would come into bear when the consequences of what happened are being considered russia as you correctly say, denying that this took place at all that it fired missiles into poland. However, these are the type of things that would be looked at by all nato partners in terms of what the intent in this attempt was that a crucial pot. For example of invoking section 5, that is why section 5 has been invoked, so seldom with it was intentional. That raises the anti considerably. But certainly the correct point here is that all part hes now on stand by all 30 members of nato. Obviously, watching very closely what now transpires, knowing that theyve got to stand by their partner in poland should indeed an attack have taken place. So this has raise the anti considerably. It has raise the degree of tension within the region. And certainly its raised activity within the car doors of us government. My kind of thank you very much indeed sir, our kiss defense minister says moscow Must Immediately stop quote, senseless attacks on ukrainian infrastructure and explain what happened in eastern poland. Heiress love not says hes very concerned by Russian Missiles dropping in poland has also been reaction from the latvian foreign minister at garden commish twisted that Russian Missiles hitting the territory of nato member is a very dangerous escalation on the kremlin. He added laugh, youre expresses full solidarity with our ally, poland, and will support any action deemed appropriate by poland. Russia will bear full responsibility for all the consequences and a stone years of Foreign AffairsMinistry Said the latest news from poland his most concerning were consulting closely with poland and other allies is tonja is ready to defend. Every inch of nato territory were in full solidarity with our close ally, poland. Why more news will you, straight out of his short break . Ah, motivated and more politically engaged than ever before. Demanding change on their end times. Welcome to generation change. 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Breaking news, a senior Us Intelligence official says Russian Missiles of crossed into poland, killing at least 2 people happened during a series of rush attacks on several cities across ukraine, including the capital kings, ukrainian, residential buildings and Energy Facilities were struck in whats been described as the heaviest assault wave of the war so far was returned to june haul, who live for us in keven junior . So reaction this evening from president landscape tool this yes, we have had a response from president zelinski in the last 20 minutes or so on top of a bad bad day in this country, and absolutely massive wave of missiles launched from russia at targets across ukraine. 12 cities in 10 regions hitting particularly Energy Infrastructure targets and as i speak to you, half of the city of keith is in doctors in total blackout. Many of those cities are experiencing power failures. If that werent problem enough to of these missiles, apparently no evidence being cited yet to substantiate that. But apparently 2 of these missiles somehow making it across the border into polish territory, landing in polish agricultural land, and killing 2 labors on the ground spock a ripple of alarm and concern among european nato allies and president lensky. Now making these, making the following statement. He said today what weve warned about for so long has happened terror not limited to our national borders. He said, russian miss missiles, he, poland, how many times has ukraine said that the terrorist state will not be limited to our country . And he goes further because he says, the longer russia feels impunity, the more threats they will be to anyone within reach of Russian Mission missiles to fire missiles. He says, at nato territory, this is a Russian Missile attack on natos collective security. So not only is he pointing the finger squarely at russia, he is also calling on nato to respond. In terms of article 5 of its founding treaty, the notion of collective defense, the idea that enough tackled one nato country is an attack on all that is president zelinski is message now to nato allies during the hall for the time being. Thank you very much. I was there was harry force, it recently returned from cuba, joins meat, live in the studio. So in the meantime, we have had a denial from russia, havent we . So took us through the kind of where we are in terms of the, the, what seems like an attack, but may or may not be, well yeah, i mean, we are still very much in the early stages of the evidence finding process in all of this. I think its important as we will have been to be cautious as to exactly what happened. Obviously we do have this statement or this, this indication from United States that it, that it may have been Russian Missiles. But we havent yet drill down to see exactly what so inside polish territory in the circumstances under which it did so that so that will be key to any further response. If it is though, on an intercepted russian weaponry that has fallen inside kill, then that could as jenny was saying, be interpreted as a direct attack on a member of nato. And the collective self defense of the Nato Alliance could then kick into force. So under article 5, they have the right to get together and enforce that collective self defense. It doesnt necessarily mean that there would be a military action that could be measured short of military under the wording of article 5. And there is before you get to article 5, also article for which talks about consultation. If any member is worried about the territorial integrity, the political security, political independence of its territory. So you can, what has a said itll determine what happened and what the appropriate next steps would be. So that there is a kind of a grading of, of the response. Yes. And among those responses could be so the sort of political solidarity in favor of ukraine against russia, potentially for the sanctioned potentially a major step up into kind of military aid and the weaponry the ukraine is getting. We dont need yet, i think to be talking about an a me, immediate military response from nature because of this. But obviously that is one of the options that is on the table. And from nature itself, we just had so far the, for them as low as well. Theyre looking into it. So it seems that will be on the list will be looking kind of pouring over those pictures and trying to get people on the ground to, to have a look at the miss alden figure out where its come from. Gibbs, absolutely. Theyll be polish, military specialists, investigators looking at this other nato intelligence agencies. Of course, an open Source Intelligence experts are already looking at these images, some speculation as to whether it could potentially have been an defense miss or whether it was a russian attack missile. So there is a lot still to be honest about their spits. Obviously, already there are a big messages of solidarity coming in from other nato allies of poland, saying that they will stand in solidarity with all of them take whatever action is necessary to respond to this event. The thank you very much. Was we mentioned in response to Russias Defense Ministry is reported to said statements by polish media and officials about the Russian Missiles hitting polish territory are a deliberate provocation. With the aim of escalation, the situation went on to say no strikes against targets near the ukrainian polish border had been carried out by russia weapons. Well, the estate Department Says reports of Russian Missiles having crossed into poland near the Ukrainian Border are incredibly concerning. The pentagon has just spoken about the incident. I can tell you that we dont have any information at this time to corroborate those reports and are looking into this further. And so when we do have an update to provide, well be sure to do so. Can might, can or in washington, dc, what do you think the timelines will be for, for, for that was for the response that theyre talking about . Well, the speculative, the question simply is, is, when will they ascertain exactly what happened . We put from the pentagon, the national Security Council, now the state department, all of them are saying the same thing. We cannot confirm that this attack took place. So exactly what happened. We had deep concern about it are looking into it now that the results of those investigations are finding out exactly what happens. What obviously determine the timeline. But what is very clear, even at this very early point, is that the us in particular is being very cautious in the city is trying to dampen down a situation and not to try and raise any level of deep concern or inside the situation, so to speak. So there is a measured response from us at present. Everybody old if Government Department saying that weve got to establish the exactly what happened and then we will take things from there. With further discussion, u. S. Has been a storm july of ukraine and so far and is continued to provide equipment. So throughout, presumably that as harry was talking about, this kind of the response doesnt necessarily if indeed they establish that it was some kind of attack. The response doesnt necessarily need to be a military one. Indeed, not the us has been absolutely adamant from the beginning of this conflict that there will be not no us soldiers on the ground in ukraine. That was president bidens 1st comment in the wake of the conflict are opting but saying at the same time that the u. S. Will continue to supply weaponry to give whatever assistance both humanitarian and military to what ukraine needs. But the situation now has changed. Should these reports be correct, that in fact, missiles with fire by russia on a nato member. Now the key issue here is that poland is a member of nato, and already there is discussion, maybe not in public, but about article 5. Now, article 5 is a bedrock of nato doctrine, which states quite simply that if any of the 30 members is attacked, then all members will protect that member. So it raises the possibility of a why the conflict of a wider armed conflict. This potential or speculative attack on poland, which is still to be confirmed. But i must ad tool is that as well, article 5, we heard from the pentagon, they dont want to go into any speculation about that. But to be very clear, his, well is that article 5 has only been invoked once in natos history. And that was off to the attacks on the us, on 911. 00. My can i thank you very much indeed. Slovak is defense smith, this is moscow, Must Immediately stop quote, senseless attacks on ukrainian infrastructure and explain what happened in eastern poland era. So ive not said hes very concerned by Russian Missiles dropping in poland. Theres also been reactions, the latvian foreign minister and government, which treated that Russian Missiles hitting the church of nature. A member is a very dangerous escalation by the kremlin. He added that not few express his solidarity with our ally, poland, and was support any action deemed appropriate by poland. Russia will bear full responsibility, all the consequences. And estonia as Foreign Affairs ministries at the latest news from potent is most concerning. We consulting closely with poland and other allies. Estonia is ready to defend. Every inch of nato territory were in full solidarity with our close allied, potent. Weve also just heard from the german 4, mr. And my thoughts with potent, we monitoring the situation closely, are in contact with all publish friends and nato allies. During the hall has more now in the missile attacks, the struck several cities across ukraine. The it was one of the largest miss barrows is yet to be unleashed hitting targets across ukraine, an hour before dark. This was a residential building in central keith. One of 2 struck not far from the president ial administration show. I know the strikes disabled, our electrical grid, and many cities of our country. We are working with research ever saying that we are good brew ever think glory to ukraine. Ukrainian government beliefs more than 90 missiles when launched at targets in 10 regions and up to 12 cities somewhat is they are air defense, took out 70 rockets, but unfortunately, 15 rockets hit Energy Infrastructure as city official after city official reported explosions, it became clear that not for the 1st time, frames ability to produce and distribute electricity was under fire. Cities in the north, south center and west reported partial or total blackouts. The National Energy company described the situation as critical. These attacks then, a sequel to a wave of weekly strikes in october ahead of what for many will be a crippling winter. Well, if the object of this wave of strikes was to hit Critical Infrastructure and further pressurize the National Grid, its clearly working. Look at that, an Emergency Operation taking place at the sight of one of the strikes here in keeping, with the exception of a spotlight driven by a generator, its taking place in almost total darkness. Petro romance, sugar described the moment, his building was headed to killing a neighbor. He knew well, actually saw the flame, then exposure happened. Claw shattered the smoke filled apartments. The neighbor country met her boot and was very unable. They say she died. Tuesdays attack comes days after rushes humiliating withdrawal from the southern port city of san. It also coincides with the g 20 meeting in bali where the leader after leader coltrane end to the war, rushes answer with 7000000 ukrainians. Now said to be without power is clearly no. What donor joins us again, live now from keep enjoy gather using more, a reaction from the ukranian officials. Yes, the Ukrainian Government really, i think the n t i here perhaps looking to seize on an opportunity. You may recall in the last half hour we heard from president lensky, who said, tara, the russian terror is not limited to our national borders. And he went further suggesting it was an attack on natos collective defense to find this house at nato territory. This is a Russian Missile attack on collective security, a very significant escalation. But we now heard from dmitri labor, who is ukraines foreign minister, and mister cr labor, is also talking about a collective response. But what hes saying is that the Immediate Response ought to be a nato summit, with ukraines participation to decide on the way forward. Hes looking for a tough and principled response towards russia, but in particular and with specific details, he is asking for the provision of 15 and f. 16 fighter jets now and more advanced defense systems. Now, this takes us back to the early weeks, months of the war, and indeed has persisted since this repeated call by the ukrainians for better defense systems. For better, the better ability to control this guys indeed falling in the early part of the war for a no flies over ukraine. And the one big concern among nato allies who have risen to the call and have provided enormous amounts of military equipment, aid and hardware to ukraine. Their big concern was that they wouldnt take that step because it would entail a much more direct engagement in the war. And be in effect natal taking on russia directly. So the ukrainians, perhaps looking at this as an opportunity. Now, mr. Lensky will be well aware that all of that hitherto pretty much unlimited military aid, almost a blank check, may not last forever. And indeed, they will be concerned that the midterm elections in the United States had they gone more. The republicans way might have done something to stifle the unlimited flow of age. But even in these circumstances, perhaps mister zelinsky will hope in the Ukrainian Government, might hope that as a minimum, this sort of incident will strengthen nato commitment to this country. And that maximum might just push them over the edge into coming to the table with much more sophisticated weaponry that allows ukraine to have even better control over the skies. They shut down 70 missiles today, but 20 or more got through. Theyd like that to stop and no, not, i mean nato. And within the last few minutes to sit on a 2 official said, were looking into these reports, linked to the boston potent away, closely, coordinating with our ally, poland, but interesting it from picking up what you just said about some protect the potential for Getting Better equipment as a result of this, the Latvian Defense minister says, and nato could provide air defenses to poland and quote, part of the territory of ukraine. So its possible that that kind of request for more defenses may end up coming through as, as a result of this incident, i think its been a point of some division of among nato allies. Certainly, allies on the east and flank right up against russian border and ukraine border. Will it be much more in favor of the idea of a much stronger response towards russia and other allies, notably the United States and the United Kingdom and others to be much more shy to come to the table . But yes, i think it is entirely feasible that off the back of an incident like this, whatever the consequences may be in terms of response to an attack, deliberate or accidental. But among those consequences may be a renewed debate of im native allies about just how better to come to ukraines aid in terms of what might be seen as a new threat. Russian missiles falling on nato territory, gender health. Thank you very much indeed. And well continue to bring you on this said breaking news and discover minutes straight after his break. Ah ah. With a whole lou ah, my daughter, our top story here now does it in breaking news . Ukraines president of the miss lensky says, Russian Missiles that have hit poland, a native country are a significant escalation of the conflict. Later says its looking into the course and is closely coordinating with its ally, poland out there as high faucets as we returned from keep joins me live in the studio. So please update with which kind of where we are on, on this incident and, and whats, what the deemed significance of it is we, i think it logic breaks down into 2 elements. What happened and an if the worst in terms of natos are scenarios happened, a russian, a strike on a nato country. Then what . So in terms of what happened, it could have been a Cruise Missile or to Cruise Missiles, just directly hitting bullish territory and killing to people. It could have been an interception which led to either one of those missiles or on intercepting missile, veering off course. It could have been stray antiaircraft fire. We dont yet know there are all sorts of open Source Intelligence experts collaborating online right now, trying to see what they can glean from the pictures of the mode so far. And of course, there will be official nato intelligence analysis going on of this as well, if it is deemed to be russian weaponry falling inside nato territory. Then the question becomes, was it intentional . Can we define this definitively as an attack on nato soil . And, but i think there are already some indications that there are some caution, obviously about that. Could this have been a merit errant strike if a strike at all . And therefore, there are different gradations of response, i think will almost certainly see an uptake and political solidarity of the coalition against russia. If it is deemed to be russian weaponry, there could be further improvements, as far as ukraine is concerned, of the kind of weapon that its been getting from nato allies. But it doesnt necessarily mean that article 5 will be triggered in its most powerful form in terms of a military response coming from nato. And the other thing when we spent to an, a correspondent for a polish newspaper, he was saying that it, that the, this areas over 89 kilometers from the board of the ukraine. And there is also a kind of a train station that is used by ukrainian trips on, on the ukrainian side of the borders. And as soon as i think, i think thats what he said. And so that, that actually there is a potential for that, that have been the original target absolutely could have been, are either an errand missile. It could have been a mistake in the targeting. It could, as we say, weve been saying it could have been a, an interception which went wrong. There are all sorts of scenarios that it could have been a short of a deliberate russian strike on a nato country. And when you, with a recent new experience, the, that the kind of a reality that actually theres been at risk all along that, that things could, i could, could, spelling it. Thats right. I mean, i think our reporting and, and our, our own sort of witnessing of what happened was that obviously russia had a very extensive bank, a target, especially in this current wave of strikes against Energy Infrastructure. Or we spoke to the Energy Minister of ukraine. And he was saying that there are not military but Energy Experts in charge of this targeting, perhaps in real time that many targets are being struck over and over and over again while we been trying to repair them in the meantime. And so there has been a high degree of accuracy, but weve also seen some inaccuracy as well. We saw one infrastructure target. Ready was missed quite closely that a local, a building nearby was damaged by the blast wave. Obviously weve seen Apartment Building struck as well on the 31st of october and a deception took place of the debris fell inside moldova and other non party to this conflict. So there is always the chance of these things to go wrong. How was it . Thank you very much. Did well, were in response russians. Defense ministry has voted to said to statements by polish, media and officials about the Russian Missiles hitting punish territory are a deliberate provocation. With the aim of escalating the situation. When tom, to say no strikes against targets near the ukrainian polish border, have been carried out by russian weapons and some other reactions of ark. His defense minister says moscow Must Immediately stop quote, senseless attacks on ukrainian infrastructure and explain what happened in eastern poland. Yourself not said hes very concerned by rushing missiles, dropping poland and theyve also been reaction from the latvian foreign minister. Edgar, think of it, twitter that Russian Missiles hitting the territory of the nato member is a very dangerous escalation by the kremlin. Yeah, did latvia express his full solidarity with our ally, poland, and will support any action deemed appropriate by poland . Russia will bear full responsibility for the consequences. Mike, hannah joins us again from washington net. Mike, bring us at the very latest from reaction from the white house and all the other state departments and so on. Well, its been a reaction from the white house as yet. There has been a statement from the national Security Council from the pentagon and from the state department, or with one Common Thread, we are looking to this. We do not have full details about exactly what happened, but obviously its of great concern. Should these reports be proved correct . The situation is, is that it does appear that the us is trying to tread very cautiously with this. It is trying to promote an atmosphere of calm, certainly doesnt want to be seen as in any way ex, accentuating the situation. The message very much. Well, lets just take a look into this. Lets examine exactly what happened and then we can examine what steps to take. Next. We heard from the pentagon spokesperson, for example, that say message, we are not exactly sure of the details. Weve heard the reports. We do not want to get into any speculation about what happens next. The reports be true, that is something that has got to be entertained once the exact scenario has been played out and looked at, there has been talk about invoking article 5. Now that is the part of natos doctrine, in terms of which an attack on one member is an attack on all. But article 5 is dependent on a whole lot of factors. One of them, obviously, is, was it an intentional attack, or was it a mistake . All of these factors are taken into account when the whole issue of invoking article 5, which allows for nato military response to a military attack on one of its members. But i must keep on stating very clearly that is because of all these factors, the very high bar that is said to invoke article 5, that its only been invoked once in natos history. And that was after the 911 attack within the u. S. So it is premature at this stage, it would appear to talk about article 5, although obviously it is something that is being discussed in terms of the scenarios in the briefing. Rooms of the u. S. Various Government Departments. But just to summarize here, the u. S. Very clearly trying to promote an atmosphere of calm doesnt want to be seen as a kind of need. Your reaction is attempting to stabilize the situation and say, before we discuss our next moves, lets find out exactly what happened in the 1st place and just reminded what kind of assets does the us have in, in the region near ukraine that you know, that it can draw on to the, in the, in the 1st instance to get the kind of analysis they need to stablish. What happens well, them relying it would appear from the statements that we hearing on polish intelligence reports at this particular point. Obviously, poland would have some kind of miss out detection and tracking system in place along with border with ukraine. So one would imagine one my speculate that that is what the u. S. Is waiting for is that type of information. Its quite possible that the us itself is some kind of satellite imagery that would track him as house across countries. Vote is in that particular region. But in terms of why the u. S. Involvement, you as President Joe Biden made very clear from the beginning of this conflict that there would be no u. S. Boots on the ground in ukraine. At the same time, hes made clear that the u. S. Will continue to supply humanitarian supplies, military hardware to ukraine, to back it up in every single way it can. Very Important Development in that in recent days, was at the u. S. Is now established a Permanent Military department based in germany, which is tasked with managing the situation in ukraine. Now before what happened, basically the u. S. Military was doing it on the fly. It was making decisions from time to time in terms of what weaponry was going when the weapon was going. Now it has established a formal military unit based in germany, headed by a 4 star general went through which all the ukrainian needs and desires and decisions flow. So this is an Important Development because it means that the u. S. Is able to act more quickly. The chain of command is shortened as it were. All the decisions are being taken in one place, all the decisions are passed through to one particular place where action is taken. So this has made it a lot easier for us to react on an ongoing basis to the crisis in ukraine, but also to be able to respond to most effectively, to the titles, to ation that we see emerging here. My can i thank you very much indeed. I dont hold rejoined a lie from keven just to pick up on the potential nature response. So understand that ukraine is calling for an immediate nato summit after those are reported attacks or reported missile strikes in poland. Yes. What sort of 2 twin problem is he like response from the ukranian government from the printer, the president himself of the business is the landscape. Of course, he responded 1st saying today what we warned about for so long has happened. He will feel that he has been beating the drum now for nato allies, for long enough that this is not a war that is limited strictly to ukraines borders, but risks every day spilling out beyond that. And he said, particularly, the longer russia feels impunity, the more threats they will be to any one within reach of Russian Missiles to fire missiles at nato territory. He said this is a Russian Missile attack on collective security, essentially, appealing to nato, to respond collectively. And then the for mr. Demit, dimitri labor speaking in about the last half hour or so. Going further than that. Calling for a response, a collective response to rushes action that must be tough and principled. He said, among the actions that hes needed immediately as a nato summit with ukrainian participation to craft a further response. But hes gone into specifics. What he wants is for nato to hand over much more high tech air defense equipment. And in particular, f 15 and 16 jets this dates back to the early portion of the war when the thing that ukraine wanted most, they were already being supplied. And indeed have been since with foss, quantities of military aid, weaponry and hardware, by nato countries. But the thing they wanted most were planes. They wanted planes to fly in the sky. They wanted planes to be able to implement a no fly zone in ukraine and have full control over their space. They wanted much more high tech defense equipment. Once it became clear that native was not that keen to provide planes, they wanted the highest tech defense equipment possible. Now they have got a pretty effective defense system. Its in action today during 2 waves of missile strike, some 90 to 100 missiles fired by russia at ukrainian territory. The government thinks that 70 or more of those missiles were downed by ukrainian defense. But mister zelinski and the government here, as i was saying earlier, may calculate that this is an opportunity, an opportunity for them to really apply pressure on nato. Now, if nato is not going to come to the table with a collective military response on the article 5 and arguably, president lensky will calculate that. That is extremely unlikely. Well then perhaps they will come to the table with more of the sorts of weaponry hes been demanding up to. Now, at a minimum, he will hope that this only serves to strengthen nato unity in helping his country for as long as it takes even as some in the American Congress waiver at a maximum. He may hope that this furthers their response and gives him what he wants control of the skies. Thanks so much indeed to turn on reporting that. Now the us state Department Says the reports out of potent are incredibly concerning. It says its working to determine what happened and appropriate next steps. The United States is certainly not trying to escalate or insight that situation at all. And like i said, we have seen these same reports that you all have. And we are working with the polish government to gather more information and were not at a point where we can confirm some of these reports that we are seeing. And thats why im telling you that we will carmen. What exactly is transpired and we want appropriate next steps as well. Was jordan jones as live from washington d. C. S. Wasnt the kind of an array of responses from, from the move for the moment from the us that took us through the, the very latest and why theyre taking that time to get to a position. While its simply a fact that the u. S. Does not have concrete information on which to make a more declarative statement. This is an incident that happened perhaps in the last 6 or 7 hours. And its not clear whether u. S. Military investigators have been able to get to the site if theyve been invited by the polish government to go to the site, to inspect the damage and to see what actually happened. And so there is a real reluctance on the part of the u. S. Government to make any sort of declarative statement. The sort of statement that we have seen in some news reports, particularly coming out of warsaw in the past several hours. The u. S. Government is very much sensitive to the fact that it does not want to be seen as trying to escalate this conflict in any way between russia and ukraine. And certainly, it does not want to bring in members of nato, of which poland is a member into a conflict. If there is no justifiable reason to do so, theres a very high bar for around trying to invoke what is known as an article 5 were spa