Sergey yesenin uhhuh on the marings, after all, we have a normative person. He was happily married all his life to one woman. And in general, this is still, probably, a very bold assumption. You know that i am, in general, a banal thought, but if you imagine those times of god, they canceled all the foundations of society, everything professionalism is knocked out, what they have in general in developed people, what was going on in their souls and in their heads, when you dont understand at all what to rely on there is no god, there doesnt seem to be sex either, from this there is a certain licentiousness, there are well , here are some experiments all the time plus more experiments are going on in art and its very avantgarde towards art, so what was going on with them there. It seems to me that they were cooked in some kind of boiling cauldron. If we also talk about the invoice, then lets remember the financial yes, and olga calls vladimir says, i shoot myself and vladimir rushes at all times, and tries to save her. Yes, of course, nothing happens very slowly, some images of this lie go on, yes, where expressive, if we take the life texture again, then exactly the same episode was in the life of the immagist poet, a close friend of vadim gabrielovich shershenevich, and he was in love with the actress yulia on duty. Yes, i met her for a long time, they had a very difficult relationship. And so she did exactly the same. Well, we can say that maringov uses e real texture, including he uses newspaper clippings, if we go to the library, look at the newspapers of those years, then, apparently, thats exactly the same as worse, that is, when i was working on biographies , but i looked at these newspapers and found exactly the same, that is, he simply rewrote all this, he didnt come up with anything, and this played a role. Um, why was the novel banned maybe soviet russia, the formation of this bolshevik power was presented negatively in this novel and it played. But thats how he described the dead. Uh, then what actually happened. Yes, his hero behaves, but cynically strange, yes, but the soviet government did not have time at all. This is absolutely a novel. Well, what did the sailors do, and as a smartest person, and there were two and epigrams in them , he says that his heroes can do anything, and he is not obliged to share their feelings, their position, their life. But katya, as a director, probably understands that it is impossible to create a character, uh, convincing yes, alive. We believe in this olga. We believe in this situation is impossible. If you didnt pass, similar experience. Well, here i dont quite agree with you, because playing a killer doesnt have to become a killer, in general, you dont have to have such experience, and in general, he could understand what he was taking, for sure. Actually, oleg is talking about this, the material reflecting some kind of life situation is the same. He creates wildly interesting images. In general, i cant say that this olga is not endless there its nice that im with her there. If i met a woman like that, i would start to make friends, most likely, it would be interesting to shoot an internal film, really. Well, it would be interesting for me to talk to her for sure, because you are some kind of curious person with a strange biography with strange views , clearly refined, very curious, these wonderful images of candy between drunk cherry. Yes, and its all such a pleasant provocation, and she says, yes, already shoot yourself, that it would be worth living for these sweets. And yes , it is cherry. She found. Yes, what a treat and already die right already freezes. I dont know, it seems to me that, well, what exactly. Hmm. I know that there was a mollengov. Uh, quite a ninam family. And thats it, yes, in life and traditional views. Eh, there was some experience. Uh, before anna borisovna, not a critic. Yes, in such a year of life they understand what his reception is. Well, so to speak, personal life. This podcast is a must read. I am aglaya na batnikova, director writer, today my colleague is visiting me, also directors writer ekaterina dvigubskaya and oleg demidov , critic, poet, literary critic and specialist in anatoly marengof. Why is roman called the cynics . Why Vladimir Olga cynics. What else to call them . Well, what is cynical . Well, heres an explanation. Yes, the very way of life itself, uh, the approach is such an antifamily. Antireligious. Yes, i understand that for that time, uh, due to free relations absolutely yes, i understand that for that time, a after uh, kolontaevsky uh, a glass of water. Yes, roughly speaking, there should be complete sexual emancipation. If a person has a need for sexual intercourse. Well, you can not refuse him this, but have sex. Also easily. How to drink a glass of water . What it is . Yes, people lived in it. It seems to you that cynicism is, uh, an assessment. This way of life is precisely the family system of correctly free relations. Not only is this a multilevel romance, but with price tags they are also because they enjoy life in such a difficult time, yes, vladimir in his own way. Eh, like a refined aesthete, how a person forms history, yes, ancient, in my opinion, yes, the whole course of history, and he does not perceive. And what are the bolsheviks doing in terms of politics. Yes he do not accept, her other sergey occupies a high place. Here the hierarchy attaches olga actually. Yes, my mistress. Katya , please tell me, uh, it seems to you that such a family system is cynical. Listen to me, in general, i like the word cynics, it is sonorous, you know, it is roman much more terrible than this word, which is actually called roman, that cynics are, well, like a glass of champagne that you drink, there, i dont know, dancing in the evening hmm somewhere i dont know somewhere on the table conditionally, but roman is terrible and deep about broken people. And cynics. It seems to me that in this word, in the way roman is called, there is also a certain right acacia, because there are price tags. Well, this is a very cheerful word, but the novel is completely unhappy. If well, take the scenery, and in general, what happens to the characters, but it is written he is cheerful, that is, there may be cynicism in this that they relate to the situation in which they are all so completely cheerful, this is such a dead mans move, and they laugh sincerely, they revel in life, but this is the worst thing when people understand that they are dancing. But, well, behind this subtlety is a person dancing on the titanic conditionally. Yes, this is very scary. You are interested in such a heroine, thats not lived in your book. The heroines childhood, perhaps, is somewhat similar to olga, my heroine is just as provocative, but its clear that, well, writing about very good and right people is boring, but you always want to find it in a person. Well, a kind of wormhole to understand why it is more interesting to watch such a person. Well, in principle, even we in life we are curious about interesting people, and interesting people are rare there are very countercurrents added about how this novel is written. Yes, and what are we zhenism . Yes . Yes, i see you, and you pronounce it, but you pronounce it in your own way, right . Like women yes yes ah hmm why are we interested in romance because a scary time is absolutely scary . Yes, but there are some sparkles of life, these sparkles are carved for us by vladimire olga what is maring imagism this is a combination of pure and impure, yes, that is, some kind of natural, some kind of blood, this is cannibalism. That is, i feel, thats a lot naturally unpleasant in this novel, the description of porcelain, which is so described that it seems to you that you are vilifying, this is a cup to you to yours there all the time. Here is this dirt dirt dirt and these old surviving objects. Eh, marvelous yes, silk, and its all so crystal, beautiful clothes, in my opinion ford has beautiful clothes, but ugly people that cause laughter, some kind of lace there are beautiful clothes on Beautiful People that cause surprise. Its all wildly curious, and the image must be built. Here, just on this contrasting the two beginnings, yes, if we describe poverty, hunger, e cannibalism, yes, throughout the text. Well, it will be chernukha. That is, it gives depth to the novel, this naturalism. This is horror, described in detail and contrasted with beautiful things and manifestations of refinement. Yes, about whom catherine spoke, you know, he reminded anyone. I suddenly now have such a wonderful writer celine here reminded me of the marings of the universe, and not completely different, but this is an incredible imagery of the language when you are like a flurry of something is flying at you. You dont understand what it is at all . Oleg, tell me, please, what place did marings take. Lets just say in a general literary context due to the fact that the novel was banned. Yes, and left, there only in the late eighties. It seems to me, marings for many. He went unnoticed, he is not as popular as yesenin and we dont know much about him, therefore its just interesting to understand what place he occupied in the literary system, given that he lived all his life in russia about the whole he lived his life in russia, in the midtwenties he managed to ride around europe, he was in berlin, he was in paris, he went there, he looked, is it worth it to get out of russia, if you get out, then where, and what experience does his fellow friends have who have already emigrated, like the same Alexander Borisovich kuysikov about the rest yes, and he realized that a without russia could not. Yes , and in europe there is nothing to do, that he will go there. How will you have to work, because e for prose for poetry. There they wont pay as seriously as in soviet russia, that is variants of grace, its very strong limitation, of course, about its place in literature. That malingov is trying to look for himself. After prose is forbidden to him, he understands what to write. Uh, some kind of social, prosaic realistic text. Its not. Its not about him. Great. It seems to me that he tried, yes, well, maybe he could not on the sly. Uh, in the fifties i switched to memoirs and my age, my youth, my friends and girlfriends notes of a fortyyearold man. And hmm, these are your descendants, yes, and this is the golden fund of our memorialism. Yes, but in fact thirties, he moves to leningrad yes, and there he gets acquainted with all the wonderful writers like zoshchenko schwartz Mikhail Kazakov a. Boris mikhailovich ikhenbaum is a literary critic. You are not hell and so on. This is such a leningrad bohemia soviet bohemia all the thirties, he writes plays, yes, and the plays here are just the same, but rather socialist realist, yes, but what was the fate of these plays, they were successful, some were successful, but most were filmed after the two hundredth performance before the dress rehearsal, the performance is not solid. Not enough by soviet standards. Dissatisfied all the time. By the way they have it everything is going well, although from my point of view of the marings, lucky because he was not repressed. He earned literary income, which is actually quite a lot, when he moved from kirochnaya to borodino, and hmm in st. Petersburg and the next tenants who moved into the apartment, yes, left memories later that they call in there, and the entrance door has some insane amount of locks, so 10 chains. Some kind of paranoia is the thirties stalinist terror, yes, and the gongs seriously feared for their lives rotten. He alone, in my opinion, mentioned mandelstams poems in his plays. Yes, somehow them there. Eh, to hide, so to speak, he wrote absolutely socialist realist plays, but with such a double triple bottom, and he could give his texts to the heroes so that they read. Uh, Walking Around the crimea mandelstams poems yes, at that time already absolutely forbidden exiled to vladivostok , who died there yes, and the intelligentsia, who understood who mondelstam was reading his elements, and she sitting in the hall, and obviously i was surprised at how cleverly bringov