Realistic prose, what is their innovation. Actually, probably, its precisely that this is the world of realistic childhood. It was created among the first by these writers, and dragunsky has a lot of humor on his nose, something that , oddly enough, is lacking in childrens literature. Although it would seem for children. Its generally supposed to be all fun, but unfortunately its usually fantasy. Usually these are some kind of fairy tales of the history of countries and travel adventures, there is always something magical, and in realistic stories and targonsky and nosov had Something Like that. What the children themselves see there, say, some kind of hat that has come to life, or there is a firefly that glows like a magic piece of something magical. Yes . That is, this is the magic that exists in our real life, which i need to specially invent, it just needs to be seen and captured. Well, it seems to me that they take some fragment of reality, and with their focus, well, usually everyday situations. They see how magical adventures are. We can say that they only enhance, lets say, all the effects. And so, for example, in the story of dragunsky if i were an adult, and a very simple situation is taken, the child imagines what would happen if he were an adult, and his surrounding adults were all children and, accordingly, he would control them and he plays out such a truly sadistic a picture in which this is a very funny story. It is very small and everyone is recommended to read it. He simply takes ordinary phrases that parents use in ordinary situations and rearranges them, as if he turns the situation around. When does grandma come . Yes yes, yes, yes oh, somewhere our granny was walking, her neck was wet, covered in dirt. That is , all this is really what we tell parents, tell children, and we recognize the network. Yes, we find out all this, so its funny. This is all funny, because its true , because we recognize it all, and a slight exaggeration gives this comic effect , and indeed, in dragon we have very, very funny stories. Vanya , please tell me, what do you think, what is the difference between the worlds of the nose and dragunsky one . Nikolai nosov worked in the forties. Yes , Viktor Dragunsky is already in the sixties , a little later, but there are some features of everyones world. And so i dont know. Fundamentally different yes, nosov is very sad, and dragunsky is very cheerful, but i can explain, when i was preparing, i reread it, i thought that i hadnt read it. I need to read this again. I was surprised to find out. Well, i actually have such a feature. Some phrases from literature i read when i was 5 years old are constantly spinning in my head. So i memorized three words, and they are spinning in my mind all the time life. I dont remember where it came from, so it just caught my attention and one of these phrases was in my head bitter porridge, not salty. I know where it comes from from there. I started getting ready to reread it, so it all turned out this way. It turned out that it turns out, naturally, thats all. Ive read this many times. I just forgot it as thoroughly as i forgot. Well, basically, i tried to forget my childhood, so i forgot childrens books precisely for this reason, but i came to this point that i tried to forget. Because he is very similar to my childhood, and it makes me sad, but dragunskaya tried to forget, because he is very different from my weight, and that also makes me sad. Its enviable that theres a difference in principle in this world, yes, listen, tell me about this story. Mishkins porridge is absolutely. My childhood was just smooth, thats why im so afraid of it, and there was something at the dacha and they left, but we were the only ones here, too sonya i kept being told that this is what my story looks like. And i didnt know what it was about, because i forgot it was turned off. Only there. They catch it quickly we were yorkies. Well, the necks of the little ones were fried first, they were running out of porridge , they were trying to get into the wells at night. This will get the drowned kettle. Let me clarify, its a miracle they didnt drown themselves, then they burn these minnows with water, they dont have the ability to put out the fire. They wait until the oil burns out, that is the actual situation. Uh, then its scary, theyre not even in that, not in these details. What is it, well, the neighbors, if there had been some kind of fire here, she would probably be there. Exactly, the children are alone, this is the situation when you are alone you stay. Well, im home alone, yes, a classic situation. This is a very cool situation for any child; for a child who is constantly surrounded by loving, conscious , responsible adults, he gets a kick out of being left alone once a year to burn some oil there. And this is like this. And when this, in principle , is the norm for you, that is, when what is not the norm becomes the norm, its sad, it turns out to be a world of children that is cut off from the adult. And this is the world of a lonely, gloomy child. Why gloomy . It seems personal to me, but dragunsky he shouldnt have one like that, just like his nose shouldnt have one, but thats the point, thats why its sad. Im probably also closer to dragunsky , because for me its still a connection between a little person. E according to the age of a small and a large adult. This is also an important part of my life. I rather grew up like a child from dragunskys stories in a loving family. Unfortunately, i was left without my father early. But even now, uh, now i remember this relationship between dragunskys parents, a lot about this, in fact. We can say that dragunsky is telling this kind of declaration of love to his wife, and the heros mother. Yes, uh, to deniskas mother because there is a constant, that is, a story about how beautiful she is, that my mother is the most beautiful in the class, how she is so beautiful , a knightly dedication, that deniskas stories are a knightly visit to my mother, right . And there, of course, the family is much more prosperous and not even in the sense of some financial circumstances. Simply because of what is felt there, this love of mom and dad, and caring for caring, lets even say more caring for each other, which simply automatically includes being transferred to the child, because there are parents who, with the birth of the child, are theirs. Eh, lets just say the personal relationship didnt end, as sometimes happens . Yes . But, on the contrary, they found some new breath. That is, there dad is in love with mom. Mom is in love with dad and child. This feels very good, because when he comes to the house, in some stories there are some ladies who can be said to incite clinicians to uh, dad. Here trying to give him something there. There, in the story, we dont want to kill a horse, but the child feels it very well and tries in every possible way to resist it. He understands, he feels this relationship between the parents. He is such a sensitive child, maybe just because he has a fairly prosperous emotional state. Yes sony you are the author of a quite famous series of note books. Goshka no, he doesnt know, please tell me, is it possible to call Viktor Dragunsky your teacher in the literary sense, you were guided by deniskas stories . It seems to me that there is something similar in the structure and in the approach, a lot, really similar. But this is an amazing story. I myself noticed this only when they started telling me about it, when the book had already been published. Apparently this is the case when some work of some kind goes so deeply into you in childhood that you dont even realize that they already live in you, that is, special. Of course, i didnt write about dragunsky. Well, probably a lot of things turned out that way, but in my opinion, what you have in common with dragunsky is that we see the lives of adults, through the life of a child. That is, we read some situations in the family. Well, relationships, we all read some problems of adults , that is, they are shown through childrens focus through the optics of a child, but at the same time we recognize them, we read them and it turns out that the child is united into a single system with their parents, and they have a kind of this is such a common and reality is such a curious, sometimes touching, sometimes funny life. And so, it seems to me that this technique is probably because i generally like books that Adult Children can read. This a separate type of book and marshak spoke about childrens poetry, but it seems to me that this can be attributed to prose, because examples of childrens poems are checked twice by a child and an adult with good taste with a delicate taste, if these elements are liked only by an adult, these are not childrens poems. If only a child likes it, its not potboiler poetry, and these are not exactly exact quotes, but it seems to me that hes asking, this is also applicable. And heres this world with some easter eggs for adults. Eh, subtle, smart, interesting, thats what, of course, is dorogonian. Im very very very i appreciate it. Its great. Vanya you are an adult writer, but at the same time, i know that you, sophia, have now written a book together for children about urban teenagers. Point tell e whether an adult can write or switch to the format of a childrens writer, how difficult it is. Whats special . What is the difference between an adult writer and a childrens writer . Youve gone through both experiences as a writer, maybe a child s one too, if he had a happy childhood, but if he had a childhood that wasnt very sad, then let him write better or only for adults, so i would divide us with sofia well, i mean, thats how i am for children and adults, well, yes, there was work and life. Yes, i was afraid, just every word of every word. I was afraid because i would pass on my childhood there and thats not possible. Well, thats a sad, sad look. Well, i also have some kind of closedmindedness, probably. Heres sony explain that its not always possible, you probably have to be sadly afraid, yes, in the childrens room, well, dear, he said a lot of sad emotions. They are somehow there. You also enjoy this sadness. I mean, like nosovs two children. They dropped everything into the well, and then they burned the last ice and were left alone at night , sadder. Yes, tell one story, and the story tells the boy cucumbers for his mother, he stole cucumbers, brings cucumbers to his mother. Its like if deniska hurry and dragunsky brought cucumbers to his mother, and my mother would burst into tears. Its from happiness, yes, and the mother from nosovs story says where she got the cucumbers. He says, well, in someone elses garden. She says go and return the cucumbers. He says, well, theres an uncles boy there. Now, he was already racing. But what does mom answer to this . Here is the mother from the story nose yes, it would be better for me not to have a son at all than to have a son who is a thief. That is, she sends the child back to this table and runs around. Yes, well, its simple for children, but i dont know whats really scary in common with the balaban. He loves policemen very much and introduces this image of a policeman all the time. Well, its true that nosov is still a kind policeman who maintains order, but, nevertheless, nosov has certain coordinates of good and evil, which are very clearly presented to the child by adults. And it gives me a feeling of safety and order, like it seems, but at the same time a little uh, it gives off some kind of didacticism. Well, of course, safety, of course, is not unsafe. In the sense that the watchman will not shoot this boy, naturally. Its scary there, its not scary. Why yourself . That is, in principle, one thing is enough for me, i thought, if i hadnt read it, i would have thought that this is the story of the boy, he stole cucumbers, brought everything to his mother, period, well, that is, you can give it away and leave and more dont read anything. Well, its good that there was someone else to decorate it for. Heres mom at least yes, and dragunsky but these are two absolute poles of poles. 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Sound does not evaluate taste, but suggests according to taste. Sber presents. Allow yourself more every month. Return 2 1 2 balances. Thank you, you will have time to apply for a loan with increased cashback , it will be more profitable, director, writer. The author of the notes is my guest. Today we are discussing the nose of dragoon, a classic of childrens literature. Why they are unique much attention is paid to a certain system of society in which the child grows up this system is explained to him, what is good, what is bad, bad to deceive, bad to steal. Punishment will always inevitably come. What actions does a certain one read . Well, there is socialist ideology, and there is a lot of this in dunno. It seems to me, yes, dunno on the moon, i dont know how a certain model of society is drawn in the sunny city. And this is important. And in dragunsky, it seems to me, uh, rather the emotional world is the world of relationships. We can say that the hero of dragunsky lives outside of time, of course, that is, unconditionally. Theres a sign of the times there is even a wonderful book of commentaries on technical stories. I dont remember now , the author is a very good book, where all these objects of time are analyzed and, uh, the fact that deniska lives in a communal apartment, there are five people in a room and many, many other things. Here, uh, but emotionally. Yes, you can easily imagine these heroes now. Eh, just remove some utilities there. Now there are also nothing. There are some signs of the times of the ma series. I started washing dishes, but the engineers have not yet come up with such a machine, who washes the dishes and now the boy is trying to invent this machine by unwinding the electric board. But the most important thing, probably, in this story is that dad decides to help mom ; there arent really any options left for him. All options have been tried, where they offer whole schemes, like eating with the whole family from one plate of the scheme. Actually, deniski is asked to invent a mom with a hint to dad and deniski says that she will no longer wash the dishes unless they invent some kind of trick to make them wash themselves somehow so its clear that from the very beginning mom hints to dad that it would be nice to wash the dishes, but this is fucked up , she understands very well, this hint is precisely this relationship between parents. This is all and uh, deniska doesnt understand. He really thinks there needs to be some way. He sits and invents, he came up with such a conveyor belt, when mom prepares a bowl of soup, the first member of the family eats it, so then while the second one goes to wash his hands and from the same plate there, well, that is, one plate is used there for everything lunch or dinner or three plates. But dad understands perfectly well, everything from the very beginning and as a result, of course. He says, okay, i know a way with her that is not so tricky. Well, in general, its a great plan that dad sometimes washed the dishes, it seems to me that its very good. It seems to me that it is important that deniskas dad is the author of the actual text. Yes, as we understand it, he treats himself quite ironically and we see this characters dad, too, from some funny side. There is some kind of selfirony in this that is simply the most dragon, as i understand it. Heres how childrens writer. Yes, this is not a story with his son. Yes . This is a story about him and it turns out to be a somewhat collective character. He is not a collective from the whole world, he is a collective from him and from his son. That is, he takes it. With uh from real life, deniska most likely imposes his adult. This experience and my childhood experience. It turns out to be such a synthesis of all these emotions of children and adults. And this is the most ironic thing about dad. She just relates here, because uh, he s trying to immediately understand how he sees it, how deniska sees dad at the same time. Yes, well, that is, this is such a split in the mood and mood of the individual. Its great. Somehow we see several points of view at once in one story. And this is very cool, it turns out. Everything is fine. I cant help but intervene. It will just go away now theme, well, cool details, but compare. Now you have spoken them out. Yes, nosovs boy stole cucumbers and brought them home. Dragoon boy threw cutlets. This is fundamental in this tragedy, and again the dragoon boy throws the mess out the window. Yes at home there is a lot of food and the child is not afraid that there will be no food. And he stole food from nosov and brought it home. Well, thats the difference ; its a prosperous world, nonetheless. It always ends. Its good, everyone always admits their mistakes, what they wrote is because the textbooks are correct, but that doesnt happen in life. It doesnt end well. Never, absolutely not in a single word, that is, no. I believe i believe. Its in this melancholy, but in how everything ends well, but it needs to be drawn a little at the end. I never believe. I tell me why am i enough . To me it seems the noses story ends here, the boy stole cucumbers home. Tell me, dont you think that childrens writers look at the world more honestly . There is such a moment childrens writers remain children in the sense in which they protect the ability here , i am forced to use the formulation of a nonchildrens writer, but we are still my favorite form of tolstoy, leo tolstoy , to look at things simply and directly, like a child, we are all adults. We live in a world of falsehood, lies, hypocrisy and everything else. Yes , probably everyone understands everything about a loved one, but everyone is watching, people are playing each other in front of each other, they smile and say that its good. We will send it to you now. Thats all. Its better to understand that everything is bad. Well, thats necessary. And thats how society is structured. Yes any any, naturally yes civilization, and children retain this ability to look at things as they are. This is the main thing, i also retained this ability, but i look at the world rather gloomily and here to cheer myself up. Yes, lets say, well, as an adult, but ill try too hard to write some funny things myself to make everyone laugh, but in childrens so you asked how it would be, thats why it was scary that it would not be conveyed to, uh, modern, prosperous children, yes, who are not afraid to hmm throw away cutlets and do not steal cucumbers. Yes, for my mother, how can i not convey my melancholy to them. And these are precisely those stories where children encounter the world of alien adults, because dragunskys children live among. These are good children with good adults they have, uh, these are all relationships where they go out to big garden traffic, where they go out to big bicycles dragons teaching, in principle, these questions are not asked; they are not relevant, is it necessary to steal steal cheat. Well, there is no such question, because you cant and shouldnt do this, which proves that you cant do your own thing, you cant. This may be the nature of the times, after all, nosov worked a little earlier , but at some point they crossed paths, because they lived with us more, by the way, in many ways similar lives, even one had a relationship with the theater of the other cinema. Uh, both of them, there are two wives there, uh, well, that is, there was a lot any intersections, another question is that nosov was a bit gloomy in character, thats true, but dragunsky was very partygoing and very uh, cheerful and he was always talked about as a person who was a lot of people, yes, a man of the holidays. It seems to me that this should also be felt somehow. Of course, to say, as if only now they noticed that, well, it should be a little gloomy. Its that simple. I dont see it, but im honestly gloomy. I listen to you with great surprise that you can remember it so well one proof. He is so shaky, of course, but i can still say that one of my favorite writers, dmitry, is bitter. Unfortunately he died early. In april of the tenth year. I directly remember this day when i read that he died. Well, he died very early, he could have been very big, even more to write about. Well, it worked in short form. He had small, signature ones, again one of the phrases behind which constantly spins in your head and such a distilled melancholy, that you cant think of anything better. He loved this one melancholy. Thats it in everyone for me. Well, no, but gorchiv really loved nosov and he described, he constantly traveled on trains between villages in the Moscow Region and went to st. Petersburg. Well, on business at work, there are documents there, that is, yes, this train, well, hes constantly searching for a book describes getting into the compartment. You put up a can of beer and posted dunno on the moon, and everyone is looking at it like literature. An interesting adult put up dunno for me, such an adult , gloomy, bearded, not unshaven, scary, as he reads it. Well, i ill translate it a little now, he reads such garbage and laughs. But all i need is for people to smile more, writes dmitry gorchich. It is very typical that the gloomy man loved this gloomy nosov. Read more here. E about peace. These strange adults. We somehow encounter this alien world in these stories. How does it manifest itself . Its basically possible to roughly divide dragunskys stories into three parts; there were a lot of them over the course of 10 years. I wrote even more. And here, probably, uh, this is a way out to other peoples adults. This is rather the last part. Where exactly . These are these beautiful children from the world. Good children, yes, meeting with conventional adults there are not necessarily adults there , in the story there is a lot of movement on sadovaya, and they meet spam with a guy with a teenager, but from another world. Where she clearly sat on the saturn tattoos , my grandmother begins to tell me that she is dying of double appendicitis. Yes, yes, and the children suspect that something started there when the children received the longawaited bicycle. And uh, pleasure, yes, yes, and that is, it was just happiness and, well, if in short, this teenager, he lures this bike from them and rides off on it. And they discuss. This is what could have happened to him there. Maybe there was Something Else that hit him with a car, that is, for these children. They wait until he returns. They are waiting and they will continue to stand there until someone tells them that there is nothing more to wait for. Yes and these are the sad stories from the morning of the gonsky. They are like that too. Just lyrical stories. Well, for example, there is such a story. Under the bed, where the boy eh plays hide and seek and is accidentally locked, and adult women in room. He sits under the bed and is afraid to get out, imagines what will happen if he stays there forever, if she and he is embarrassed to get out, because she has already taken off some part of her clothes, that is, he understands that the further it goes, the worse and now she has already gone to bed. Yours has a rhizma. Its the adults who are telling dragunskys crops, all the stories are being told by adults. They are simply shown through childrens lenses. But they really can be. Eh, for adults its quite possible to keep there , thats not an event, yes, they unfold, but from some of the sensations are called a whole story. Yes, this fear that he will remain sitting there, then, of course, saves her now. The adults are starting to look for his dad there. This is the case when, as you say, the nose saves you for adults. By the way, we talked about the police and about the police in nosovs stories. There is also a story where the boy is just the opposite. You can be afraid of a policeman , he calms down, hes so good that hes even here hes playing through someone , you negotiate to help this child with they told him a lot of stories and stories about this super subtle policeman who understands that the child is afraid of him, but makes sure that he helps him, and the child is still not afraid. That is, some are also adults, well, to the police , you are a representative of the authorities, that is, accordingly , the child gets the feeling that he is protected, that the authorities are taking care of him, by the way, bad adults are in charge. I dont even remember. Here in dragunsky there are bad adults and their strangers and families, absolutely and good ones from School Adults are wonderful music teachers who listen to all of this, what i like and what i dont like. There several times deniska loves, uh, horses with kind faces. Yes, its cute there. Magical. Which means he has a bear friend who loves what you love. I dumplings borscht he eats all the food he likes and in the end when maybe Something Else you like. Except for the food. Well, kittens. He says, well, that is , here is the grandmother, but right away the character. Yes, here are two stories, two characters. But mishka is, as far as i know, real, but buddy deniski yes, a real boy. It is clear that and Victor Dragunsky was watching them, well, it is clear that the guys made up all this. Yes, Denis Dragunsky often complains that you ask all the time , he became a writer, yes, and he is very diligent. Ksenia dragunsky region became literary damirkas already remembered, apparently you had him in mind, he wrote several comments. Yes , how to tell deniskin denis viktorovichsky, yes, several books, well, it definitely seems like were telling more than one book to the commentary, so where is he explained how it really was, well, relatively speaking, as he remembers. Watch three chords after the evening news. 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This podcast is a must read. I am visiting batnikov, director and writer. Uh, childrens writer sofia remes and writer ivan shepnyagov. We are talking about childrens literature that is interesting to adults, namely Nikolai Nosov and viktor dragonsky vanya, please tell me, to be a childrens writer in soviet times, but it meant making very good money, and nosov and dragoonsky, in general, they became popular precisely thanks to literature, although they were engaged in cinema and theater in some other activity, but you can say that it stimulated their creativity, the profitability of this childrens literature, the profitability of this activity, or it doesnt matter at all. In the case of a childrens writer. There is simply a certain creative method of perception peace. Theres Something Else there. Everything was profitability. This is not the meaning in which we are now talking. No, well, it was some kind of, in fact, a very large state grant. I dont even know they sold many copies. Well, he was paid at the market price. No, they were sponsored by the state. I dont think it inspired them much. I think they would have written without this, they would have simply not published them, and we would have opened them there through, well, the state gave the writer. Country house. They could afford a certain standard of living with gogol took. Nicholas took these from the soviet state. Yes, we dont take from anyone, thank god this is freedom. Yes, this is freedom, poverty, and the unknown. This is good. Well, given the uncertainty, i argued specifically. I just dont think it inspired her. Well, no, no, but we can say that they are relevant. Today we can read them today both with our nose and dragunsky, moreover, with our nose. We can, moreover, it seems to me that not many realistic stories have appeared, but funny ones, and inventive ones about children. Eh, theres a lot of cool contemporary childrens literature now. And teenage, but there is still a little humor among it, but something as funny as dragunskys has not yet been written, and its a shame. But you are not so funny to me, it turns out funny. I like human envy to write when i read , say, a story, if i were an adult, and here i am driving in a car with a child. We turn on this story, and he laughs and i laugh audio version. Yes, this is a marshak test. Yes, this is interesting for both a child and an adult with good taste. Yes it is very funny and true great or nosovs story fedina task and the boy is trying to uh, have a funny nose. He listens to the radio, he listens to the radio , he tries to do his homework, he cant do either, because he cant concentrate. Its really funny. It was the bell that rang. Yes, there are so many bags here, that is, they lined it up. This is invented and they said that this is funny. We were joking , laugh. Well, its not charming. Well, not not cute in itself. How conveniently mechanical, therefore, yes, nosov is from there, of course, but this is not visible. Well, theyre just different things. We have indeed there are reinforcement ones. Uh, very stories that a. It looks like something that could be a script for say, the living hat is actually a readymade cartoon script, so its interesting, youre not interested. He has a lot of film adaptations here, and both of them have a lot of organization, and uh, from my point of view, i dont want to offend anyone, but dragoons inability has a successful film adaptation. What we have to do is that they are more difficult to bring them more difficult. There is a lot to do with language. There are a lot of language constructions that are funny exactly until then while they are written. Uh on paper when you uh, see it. Well, as soon as these lines are somehow transferred to the dramaturgy, and that is , some events happen, it stops being funny again. There are stories in which, of course, they are dramatic and very funny, but mostly in the language. Yes, if good literature is literally translated onto the screen, this is not the rule. Yes it doesnt work. This is actually a film adaptation. This is a very complicated story. I didnt understand that. I never learned how to do it like that. Uh, script for your own stories. Yes, its very difficult. Vanya, its cool that both the nose and dragunsky work very well. Eh, its just that they have very simple dialogues, you cant. Where are the actors . This is exactly the most difficult thing in general, in principle, in life, writing complex things is difficult to do simply, but simple things are difficult to do. The simpler, the more difficult these are incredibly cool, of course, yes, and this cannot be repeated. Well, that is, these are level dialogues. I dont know, but again we remember movies all the time, levels, again i dont know, well, its so strange. Oh no, i wont say if well, no, well, tarantino, well, tarantino well, that is, you are comparing your nose from the outside, but this is the level when it seems to you that it is very simple. And you try to give, its impossible to repeat the dialogue of these boys. It seems very simple. Thats why its impossible to repeat, so im answering the question. Yes, anosov and dragunsky, in their simplicity, were able to make very complex ones. Yes, there is no feeling that literary editors were deliberately tinkering with this text. Yes, the dragon one has dialogues. Where did he say, did mishka say onko, he said it again, he said it, and it doesnt seem like it. Eh, some works. It doesnt cut it. Yes, thats great. For some reason, this natural sense of language is believed that we speak one language, but should write in a completely different language, and they do not intersect in any way. Actually, maybe, heres the nose and dragunsky broke this fourth all. Well, this is another cool thing, because it is the only language of existing physical reality. This is oral, which is produced by our speech apparatus. These are the masses of these icons applied. Which we call written language, it has little to do with anything; it s a very, very large agreement, in which there is inevitably a huge number of all sorts of errors, this is a big convention, but thats exactly why its a strange situation. When well, she always seemed strange to me, she was always like , here we are talking so badly. She writes we it so well. Well, that is, we throw away the basis and take the convention and make it again to the question of falsehood or death. Do you understand what its about . Yes, that an artificial agreement is recognized as more real than real ones, well, thats the crux of the matter, and nosov and gogunsky are also cool in that they understood that, well, you dont have to be a literary editor, that is, you have to remove, uh, invent just take it from life, but here the next difficulty cannot be literally transferred to an oral application in the form of a sign. Yes , but the sounds of the letters are transmitted and you can create what it is like. As if it were conversational, and this is just the most difficult level, yes aerobatics yes guys, thank you thank you very much for an interesting conversation. This was a mustread podcast. I am aglaya na batnikova, a director and a writer, my guests were the writers sofia remes and the writer ivan shepnigov. We discussed dragunskys nose classics of childrens literature. Greetings hello, hello in german, we re missing the third one. Come on, little brother , and now the complete collected works. 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