Transcripts For SFGTV Police 20240703

San Francisco Police department and executive director Paul Henderson from the department of Police Accountability. We thank you. Welcome, everyone, to our may 8th, 2024 meeting, we have some great, agenda items on calendar today that we want to get through. So with that, lets call the first item please line item one weekly officer recognition certificate presentation of an officer who has gone above and beyond in the performance of their duties. Officer andrew young, star number 2485. Healthy streets operations center. Hi. Good evening. My name is dennis hong. Im currently the sergeant assigned to the healthy streets operation center, also known as soc. I would like to extend my gratitude to chief bill scott, director Paul Henderson and the Police Commission for the opportunity to recognize the exceptional work done by the brave men and women of the san Francisco Police department. Today, it is my honor to present this award to a member of my team, officer andrew young, who epitomizes what it means to truly be a team player like myself. Officer young is also a San Francisco native, and he grew up in the sunset and the mission district. Officer young entered the department in 2015 and worked patrol at tenderloin, ingleside and central station. In 2019, he joined h soc and has been a permanent staple since. H soc is a unique unit to be in as we work closely and directly alongside with other city agencies such as the fire department, public works, department of emergency management, homelessness and supportive housing. Officer young represents the department in the most positive light. Officer young embraces a special balance of structured intervention and compassion, and has played a key role in advancing the goals of the san Francisco Police department. Officer young has helped San Franciscos most vulnerable population access the much needed services that they need, such as shelter and housing, along with treatment for those with Mental Health disorders and substance abuse, while also reconnecting individuals back with their loved ones from their home states. As i have many positive things to say about officer youngs work, dont just take my word for it here are some of the words from leaders of other city agencies that we work closely with. This is from San Francisco fire department, acting captain sean delis. Quote, officer young is an invaluable part of the asau crew. He approaches the work with professionalism, kindness and a calm manner. It is a great pleasure to have him as a part of the team, unquote. And this from department of emergency management. H soc manager david nakanishi. Quote. Officer youngs ability to engage with the most challenging individuals with compassion, understanding and patience makes them an essential member of the team. His experience and dedication to Service Makes him a natural leader. One sought out for consultation on procedures and the law. His attitude and demeanor makes him well liked by all he engages with, including people experiencing homelessness , residents, business people, fellow officers, and h soc team members. Officer young is well deserving of recognition for his example and dedication to service to the city, and im honored and privileged to work with them, unquote. The streets and sidewalks of San Francisco are much cleaner and safer thanks to officer youngs hard work and commitment to excellence. And with that, officer young, id like to present with you the Police Commission recognition award. Ill say a few words first. Yeah, please. Well, first of all, congratulations. Thank you, captain, for that great introduction. And, but please go ahead and speak. And then im going to turn it over to the chief. Well, thank you very much. Im very honored, you know, its growing up here in the city, its definitely changed over the years. And, you know, im glad to be a part of a unit where we can make, you know, such a large impact to the community that, you know, i grew up in, you know, i couldnt have done this without you know, the support of my, you know, the my teams back there as well. Im very thankful for them to show up. Hey, you know, i have my family and my, you know, girlfriend here as well. So, you know, its very nice to see all the support and, you know, its im just, you know, speechless right now. Thank you so much for the appreciation. Thank you. Chief scott. Thank you, president elias, officer young, i, your sergeant, did a remarkable job. And just expressing what you do and how you do it. And just for the public. I mean, this is not a job that is easy, its very difficult work. There are people that in really desperate need of help. And oftentimes its thankless for a lot of people, you know, who, dont think that the Police Department should even have anything to do with this type of work. But but we do play a role. And you have done that remarkably. And i know five years to be in that unit. And i think you volunteered when we first stood up this team, you were one of the early officers to, to engage in this type of work. And you still at it and youre still doing a great job. So for the entire unit, thank you all for what you do. But for your work, it really deserves this type of appreciation. And notice and thank you. Thank you all and your leadership. Sergeant thank you. Chief, officer young, i want to congratulate you and thank you for your service. I know h is actually like your sergeant said, a very unique unit because its a unit where everyone comes together. I remember when they first created h soc, and i took the tour at dem. Is that where you still stay . Right it was a very interesting and sort of novel idea at that time to break down the silos and have everyone in a centralized area where you all Work Together and it was really, i think, powerful, and the fact that youve been doing this for several years now speaks, i think, volumes because you get called out on everything. Its not just you know, like police work, whatever. You know, people imagine that to be. But i think its a lot of humanitarian things that you do there at h soc, because that was the goal of addressing the 311 calls or the calls from fire or everything else. So, its im sure every day is a unique day for you when you come to the office. So thank you. So much for your commitment to h soc and for making it, really a welloiled machine, because i remember, as i said, when it first started the idea, and now to see it come into fruition is a great thing. Second, i want to thank your family, because of their sacrifice, not only do you put your life on the line every day and come and do this work by putting on that uniform, but i think its they also, are there to support you and be there when you get home. And the things that you miss and the stress that youre under, they deal with. So a huge thank you to them as well for allowing you to do your job and being the best that you can be. A third, thank you for your team for showing up again. I think this speaks volumes to what kind of, unit the h soc is, its a very collaborative unit, and you can tell that by the fact that your team is here, i would have you introduce each of them so you can, you know, embarrass them that way. But if you dont want to, thats fine as well. Well just say welcome. And then finally, i will say that as a san franciscan native, that you are. The one important question were supposed to ask you is what high school are you into . Right i was really waiting for that because thats really the thats the test to see if you really are a native or did you go to daly city, right. No, i, i went to galileo. Okay all right. So you passed. So again, congrats, nations. Thank you for the hockey team for being here and supporting your fellow officer. And to the family with that, commissioner benedicto, thank you very much. President elias, and i want to start by thanking Sergeant Huang for that wonderful introduction and explaining to everyone what the h soc team is and what it does, i first met Sergeant Huang when i attended the active attacker training, and im pretty sure he wasnt the one that shot me with a paintball. So we wont we wont hold it against him there, but, echoing what president elias said. Congratulations, officer, and thank you for your work with h soc. It is. We talk a lot at this commission about issues with with the department and that we want more Community Policing that we want more crossagency collaboration. We want more things that look like the cross staffing of the crisis intervention teams. And h soc brings all those together. Its an example of the Community Policing. Its an example of crossagency collaboration and things, working in innovative ways, in ways that involve other agencies, but also still recognize, the Law Enforcement component. Im so glad that your family and your team is here as well. And yeah, i think the recognizing you and really the whole h soc team for the work that that group does, you know, whether its homelessness or whether its Mental Health issues or addiction. We have to recognize that Law Enforcement alone isnt enough. We have whole of Community Problems. And ive often said that whole of Community Problems require whole of community solutions. And h soc is an example of a part of a whole of community solution. And thank you so much for your work making that a reality, officer. Thank you, commissioner yi. Thank you very much. There. President cindy elias, first of all, i want to congratulate you, i guess, for all the hard work you have done, especially coming up here from the city to myself, also want to thank the sergeant for putting you forward and the team that behind you, including the officers and the family. So i know all the challenges you go through. Every i dont know all the challenges, but i know that you face many challenges day in and day. Day out. So at the end of the day, i just want to say make sure you come home safe and continue good work here in the community. Looking forward to seeing you out in the streets more. Thank you very much. Appreciate it. Thank you. Vice president , officer young, just just wanted to congratulate you and thank you for your service to our city, theres nothing that i that i was going to say that hasnt already been said, but just wanted to recognize the especially difficult work that h soc does, on my way to the hearing room today, i wrote up the elevator with some of your colleagues, and i actually asked them if they were the ones receiving the award today because they seemed so excited to be attending this meeting, but they said, you know, of course. No, they were just here to support their colleagues. So i think that that just goes to show how well regarded you are within your unit and the collegiality of the unit. So, its great to have you here and congratulations. Thank you. Thank you, sergeant. For members of the public who would like to make Public Comment regarding line item one, please approach the podium. And there is no Public Comment. Next item. Line item two. General. Public comment. At this time. The public is now welcome to address the commission for up to two minutes on items that do not appear on tonights agenda, but are within the subject matter jurisdiction of the Police Commission under Police Commission. Rules of order. During Public Comment, Neither Police nor epa personnel nor commissioners are required to respond to questions by the public, but may provide a brief response. Alternatively, you may submit Public Comment in either of the following ways. Email the secretary of the Police Commission at sapd. Commission at sf gov. Org or written comments may be sent Us Postal Service to the Public Safety building located at 1245 third street, San Francisco, california 94158. If you would like to make Public Comment, please approach the podium. Heres my collection. Youll have to adjust it. Is it is it on there . You keep. Do you have a surprise for us . That is a. You own his. Okay. Im on. I guess, yes. Good evening. Okay, so its the first time im going to do this, and please dont let me do it again, because i dont do this. Its not my way of changing stuff, but its a necessity. So so im going to ask the mayor here what . What is the meaning intended of this here . Are you here is 49 north, not 40 900 square foot. What is the what do you intend to say here . We need an explanation. Or you cant skip it because it couldnt be completed by you. You cant approve something that big, i mean, you need to approve it. Theres no way the artist is not coming and doing this like this. So you are familiar with this . What is this . I dont know, okay, you saw it. Its enough. Good. Okay can go back here if you like. Another thing i would like to mention, i think its english. Guys. Sidewalks is for work. So you see more and more six years old on scooters. So when do you give them tickets . Its become a real problem. Its english. Sidewalk is to work for pedestrians. Look its the same. I dont want to take care of all this. I mean, but you have to do something in downtown. Its crazy. Last thing i see, i see everything there is all of a sudden, many garbages were taken away. Whats going on here, mayor . In different district is true. So it doesnt concern the police. But still i had to say it. Have a good night. We need explanations of this thing. Yeah. I want to directly address the voters of San Francisco. As i plan to do for each meeting of the Police Commission that comes to order, because weve missed three of the last four, i talked to one member of the commission. He thought me taking attendance was funny. Well, there are only window onto the Police Department, so please be there every time, particularly the mayors appointees, im going to repeat, like, a broken record, to the voters. The Police Department is broken. It does not do the job it was created to do, the reason that they do not do this is because they do not have an elected police chief. Right now, youve got a chief thats appointed by the mayor, picked by this commission, four members, the majority of whom ha ha, are, are picked by the mayor. So you get the mayors choice. There are 471,000 of you. You deserve a choice in Police Commission in the police chief choice. It might be this guy. I mean, he might run and be a completely different person if hes elected in his own right. But elect a police chief. You want foot patrols . We had foot patrols in this town a few years back. Tragically, a, several officers were killed in oakland in, a traffic stop that went bad. And, the cop there got killed, the assailant, disappeared. 100 cop cars came, but, they couldnt find the guy until one woman came up and told them where she where the guy was. And you know what she said . She said , oh, i waited till i saw a cop. I knew i knew a hundred police cars. She didnt know anyone without foot patrols. You do not know the public . Good evening. Police commissioner and police chief. My name is chris klein. Im here asking for your support and to request a referral to the District Attorney for indictments on several elected officials. First, i need to let you know that i have over 25 years of investigating high tech crimes and have previously partnered with state and federal funded task forces to include react and nc three tf here in northern california. These elected officials illegally gave out credentials to Public Health and safety systems, which has weaponized Public Health. These systems, such as one system used primarily by homelessness and supportive housing, and sherlock, used primarily by Human Service agency, can send data to a person to alter their Mental Health, their normal situational awareness, alter their ptsd, and done to force compliance on bad policies and ideas by using ultrasound to cause pain, swelling, injuries, and sometimes death. These systems are military Grade Technology and systems. Yesterday, these systems were used on a driver that caused a child and an adult to be struck and injured. That vehicle was headed for me and was approximately 45ft away before the police made an arrest of the driver with their guns drawn. These few even used the systems to illegally hack into the sfpd system rgb spectrum. Again im requesting the Police Commission and police chief to make this a priority and submit referrals for indictments on all parties involved today, i have spoken at the fire commission, the disability and aging commission, and now here at the Police Commission. Thank you. Good evening, commissioners. Good evening. Chief for those who dont know me, my name is j connor b ortega. And while im not here as a candidate, i am here as a concerned San Francisco resident. As always, i want to take this time to thank the men and women of the san Francisco Police department for the incredible work they do to keep us safe from criminals by doing a job the rest of us cannot do our officers truly are the wall that keep the monsters at bay and i also want to join everyone this evening and congratulate the officer that was being recognized this evening. However, there is something i must address and that address is a statement made by a commissioner at the previous meeting. Commission benedictos statement was, and i quote the response ability of this commission is to defend the progress that this department has made against attacks, against backsliding, against false choices, that pit reform, against Public Safety. End quote. The commissioner also pointed to a quote from Benjamin Franklin concerning monarchies and republics. However, through our democratic process, we, the people of San Francisco reaffirm ummed that its not us who are pitting reform against Public Safety, but its rather this commissions commitment to weaken our Public Safety. In the name of your version of reform, we do not accept never will i ever want this commission to be confused. So allow me to reiterate that the majority of San Francisco myself included, passed prop e because this commission has failed to put policy over politics. So we, the voters did it for you. The longer you all refuse to accept that fact, we will continue to pass propositions that will continue to strip away your power. Now at the same time, you all have egos to fix in order to be compliant with the law, and i look forward to it. Thank you. Always happy to have you here, mr. Ortega. Thank you. Im sorry i wanted to, find it overhead. Sorry thats my mother who passed away. And i want to thank those of you that had helped me with go fund me for my mother, mothers day is here. Its coming now. I dont have a mother to say mothers day to, except for a picture right here. Im going to miss her, but im going to keep doing what im doing. My mother raised me well. I come here every wednesday when youre available. Im sorry concerning my son, aubrey. Albert casa. Ill hold the picture up concerning my son aubrey albert, who was murdered august 14th, 2006. Again i dont have a son to say. Happy mothers day for him to say happy mothers day to or to give me flowers. Im still looking forward to this presentation that youre going to have today on homicides and how to solve them, and i hope that its implemented and just not talked about. I wanted to invite some mothers with me today, but i didnt want them getting angry and nothings going to happen. I want them to see that somethings going to happen for their children. I bring these pictures with me to show you this is all i have left of my son. Me standing over his his casket at. His body decaying. This is my mothers day gift that they left me. They took his body. But they didnt take his spirit. I still hold on to that. But my flesh still hurts for this young boy. He has siblings left. Please do something. And that is the end of Public Comment line. Item three consent calendar. Receive and file action sfpd audit and electronic communication devices. Safe streets for all 2024. First quarter family code 6228 incident report sb 1421 for dpa and sfpd. Motion to receive and file second for any member of the public would like to make Public Comment regarding line item three. Please approach the podium. Seeing none on the motion. Commissioner walker, how do you vote . No. Im sorry, commissioner benedicto. Yes commissioner benedicto is. Yes. Commissioner yanez. Yes. Commissioner yanez is. Yes. Commissioner yee. Yes. Commissioner yee is. Yes. Vice president carter overstone. Yes. Vice president carter auberson is. Yes. And president elias. Yes. President elias is. Yes. You have five yeses. Line item for adoption of minutes. Action for the meetings of april 17th, 2024. Motion to adopt the minutes for april 17th, 2024. Second, for any member of the public would like to make Public Comment regarding line item four. Please approach the podium. Theres no Public Comment on the motion. Commissioner benedicto, how do you vote . Yes, commissioner benedicto is yes. Commissioner yanez. Yes, commissioner janez is yes. Commissioner. Yee. Yes commissioner yee is. Yes. Vice president carter. Oberstein. Yes. Vice president carter is. Yes. And president elias, president elias is. Yes. You have five yeses. Line item five. Chiefs report. Weekly crime trends and Public Safety concerns provide an overview of offenses, incidents, or events occurring in San Francisco having an impact on Public Safety. Commission discussion on unplanned events and activities. The chief describes will be limited to excuse me will be limited to determining whether to counter for future meeting. Chief scott thank you, Sergeant Youngblood. Good evening, president elias. Vice president carter stone, Commission Executive director. Henderson and the public, start off this weeks report with our crime trends overall, violent. I mean, part one crime is down 30. That is about a 5000. A little over 5000 fewer crimes than this time last year, property crime is down 33 and Violent Crime is down 13. Our homicides are down 42 from this time last year, with a total of year to date of 11 homicides, compared to 19 this time last year and that year to date, number is about a five year low. In terms of homicides, our shooting victims are down 35, 35 year to date, compared to 54 this time last year, and our homicides with firearms are down 38 eight year to date compared to 13 on this time last year. Total gun violence victims are down 36. Thats 43 gun violence victims this year compared to 67 year to date. Gun seizures are down slightly, about 7 down. We have 308 gun seizures, and of those, 59 were ghost guns. This time last year there was 312 with 57 ghost guns. In terms of major incidents, this past week, there was one homicide in the 1700 block of quesada avenue in the bayview district. This occurred on april 29th at 9 32 p. M. The officers responded to the area following a shotspotter activation. When they arrived, a victim with gunshot wounds was located and the officers rendered aid, but unfortunately, when the suspect was transported to a local hospital, they succumbed to their injuries. No arrests at this time, but officers are following up on leads and we will keep the public posted on the status of that investigation of the progress, a couple of significant incidents. Theres a stabbing at seventh and market on the 5th of may at 7 52 a. M, the victim and the subject got into an argument when the subject stabbed the victim multiple times. Officers were able to locate the subject and make an arrest. In this case, there was also an elder abuse battery that occurred on the 1st of may at 10 20 a. M. And a 100 block of post street. Two victims were standing outside when an unknown person pulled up to them, got out of the car and pushed both victims down to the ground. Subject jumped back into their vehicle and fled the scene. That investigation is ongoing with no arrests yet. A carjacking occurred at San Francisco state on the 1600 block of holloway avenue. This was on the campus with the jurisdiction of the state campus police, San Francisco state campus police. This occurred on may 1st at 3 54 p. M. The victim was walking back to their car when they saw three unknown subjects around the car and two unknown subjects inside their car. The victim pulled out their phone to record the incident, at which time one of the subjects pulled out a gun and told the victim to delete the videos. Subjects were able to take the victims vehicle and flee from the scene. Sf state pd is handling that investigation, although sfpd did respond, and then lastly, as far as significant incidents, there is a, hate or prejudice based incident that occurred at sunset and yolo on the 1st of may at 3 15 p. M, the subject was yelling racial slurs toward the victim. The victim confronted the subject and the subject pulled out a taser. The subject then fled the scene and the victim did not want any further police action, except for a report which our officers gladly took. Later on. The witness, a witness, tweeted about the incident and it did get some attention on social media. But that person was not arrested. And, other than brandishing the taser, there were no other crimes committed. So our First Amendment activity, there have been First Amendment activities on both San Francisco states campus and usfs campus. Those First Amendment activities have been handled by the respective campus, either Public Safety or campus police. And we have not been called to assist, and they continue to manage those incidents. And those incidents have been peaceful, that is the report for this week. There were no shootings this week, no stunt driving incidents, and no major traffic related incidents this week. Thank you. Commissioner benedicto chief. And if this ends up, i know that the cut off for the weekly report might be the monday. And so if this makes sense to put over for the next report. But i know there was tuesday morning, there was a 14 Year Old Girl injured in a in the course of a pursuit. I wonder if you could talk a little bit about that incident. Yeah, yes, i can, i do have the details on that. That incident started as a felony hit and run. It started, at jones and Market Street and the Tenderloin Police district, a car was basically driving recklessly, doing donuts and intersection and struck a pedestrian, injuring the pedestrian in the officers, tenderloin officers then spotted that car as it attempted to leave the scene and broadcast the information, and ended up going in pursuit of that car. That vehicle. The suspect continued to drive recklessly and struck, a 14 year old in front of francisco middle school. That 14 year old was injured, the lieutenant who was monitoring the pursuit canceled the vehicular pursuit due to risk of more people getting injured. However, the plainclothes units located this person in the embarcadero area and took that person in custody. So there was an arrest made on that incident. And, officers actually did a good job locating the suspect after the pursuit was canceled. So thats about as much as i have the injuries on both of the pedestrians that were struck were nonlife threatening. So it was only after the 14 year old was struck that the supervising officer called off the pursuit. Is that right . Yeah, that is my understanding. Yes. And it was in the vicinity of her, her school, the pursuit that that she was hit right . Yes. Okay. Do you know if. Once the pursuit was looking like it was going to be in the proximity of a school, would there would do you think there would be discussion of potentially canceling the pursuit . Just as you got to that vicinity, given that youre likely to encounter children in that area . Or is that a factor that should be considered that is a factor that is considered and should be considered. I dont know exactly, what information the lieutenant had, but that is always a factor that should be considered. Thank you, chief. Vice president carter, thank you, president elias. Thank you, chief, for the report. I actually was going to ask about the same incident. Chief the. Is it is it right that the chase went on for over an hour . In this case, i dont know. That is not in this report, but thats definitely something i can follow up on. I dont when i asked, one newspaper reported, i think that the chase began at 7 53 a. M. And that the 14 Year Old Girl was struck around 9 a. M. Does that sound about right or youre just not sure . I dont. I have to verify that i dont have that. Okay and is it right that the 14 Year Old Girl who was struck that she had some bones broken . I think that was also reported, but i didnt hear that in your report, nonlife threatening injuries. And thats its what i know. Okay. But but, the newspaper report that that i think she had at least one broken bone in her shoulder is that youre just not sure if thats accurate. Im not sure if thats accurate, but we dont typically put out that type of information in terms of persons, medical conditions. So understood, particularly for a juvenile understood, is the suspect was being pursued for felony hit and run. Is that correct. That is felony hit and run a violent felony . Yes. It is. Yes. Its a violent felony under the california penal code as defined, not under the california penal code, but it is a violent felony. Its violence with a vehicle, but it is a violent felony, right. The reason i but our prior policy, violent felony, has the meaning as defined by law, right . Yes. Okay. So the reason i asked that is because under our prior vehicle pursuit policy, this pursuit may not have been authorized, i would not agree with that because under the current pursuit policy, it still gives the ability to authorize the pursuit if theres that type of risk to Public Safety. So youre talking about an individual that was driving recklessly, struck a pedestrian and continued to drive recklessly. So i dont agree with that statement. Right. So i think theoretically, thats right. I guess i think when commissioner benedicta and i spoke to officers, one thing we asked them was, you know, our policy prior policy has this second bucket where you could pursue for any crime if theres an imminent bona fide risk to Public Safety and what we heard in response to that was, as a practical matter that is not relied upon outside of maybe dui because, its just defined. Its so open ended, you know, it empowers the officers to weigh, i think, 15 or 17 different factors. But what what we were told is that a practical matter because its unclear what counts and what doesnt, officers play it safe and pursue for dui because that clearly poses a future risk to Public Safety, but for other crimes that are not violent felonies that that pursuits are not engaged in, is that is that not your understanding of just as a practical matter, how things happen . Well, im not saying that individual officers may not feel that way. If you were told that, im sure they do. Well, it was a i would say it was a consensus in a room in a big room. Yeah. But i think the question, the fundamental question that you asked is, was this outside of the pursuit policy . And my answer is based on the facts that we know right now. No okay. So but i think the question is, under the prior policy, what would a chase be have would a chase be initiated as a practical matter. And i think the answer to that, at least based on what commissioner benedicto and i heard from officers is the answer is no. I believe, commissioner, if you ask an officer if they saw a vehicle basically run over somebody or hit somebody and that vehicle fled, would they pursue that car and its still driving recklessly. I have to think that most officers would say that they would probably try to take that person into custody and pursue them. But again, im not saying that what you were told is not how some officers view the policy, but that particular set of circumstances. I would like to think that our officers would take action and not let that type of continue go unabated, that that type of, behavior go unabated, and a few months ago, we had a presentation before this commission on our pursuit policy, what other jurisdictions are doing and some of the outcomes. And there is a lot of newspaper reporting after the fact, excuse me after the fact, showing that, San Francisco has the lowest apprehension rate and highest collision rate of any Law Enforcement agency in the state of california. And i asked you what we were going to do, given that our vehicle pursuit policy was poised to be become even more permissive than it already was. You know what . What we could do to ensure that we protect innocent bystanders, from injury or death as we as you know, weve seen deaths in the in the recent past, what we were going to do, and i guess ill ask you again, in light of yesterdays tragedy, what are we going to do now . Because we already have the highest collision rate under the prior policy. And now our policy is has expanded dramatically. And, you know, just just yesterday we saw i think, a pretty tragic outcome that that could have been worse. But i think was, pretty concerning, as is. Well, we will continue to do what we are supposed to do and train to do to manage those pursuits, and those prior discussions. I mean, its established that pursuits are dangerous. And when somebody is driving recklessly before any type of Police Involvement and they continue to drive recklessly, at some point we got to look at that persons behavior well as well, because it wasnt a Police Interaction that caused that first collision with that pedestrian. It was this person who was doing what they were doing. But the short answer is, we have to monitor these pursuits. We have to control these pursuits. In this case, the watch commander terminated pursuit, albeit it was after the injury. But we have to do what we can to monitor and control these pursuits. Now with the use of technology that we soon will get that after pursuit termination piece where the apprehension, is at issue, i believe that will probably increase with the use of technology and drones, but in terms of just the pursuit itself, its about pursuit management. Its about doing what you can to mitigate the safety of the public and the risk and due regard for Public Safety, but theres still a component of this that you cant control the person thats being pursued. And what theyre doing, i mean, thats beyond our control. We can control what we do. So what are we going to do . I go back to its management of the pursuits, which is not a foolproof answer because accidents still happen even after we terminate pursuits. I mean, thats happened in this city, but we do have a responsibility to protect the due regard of the public, and that is a pursuit of the supervisors. I mean, a responsibility of all involved. And we just have to do that the best we can. Great, sir, thanks, chief. Last question on this, one thing that came up when commissioner benedicto and i spoke to officers about the pursuit policy was star chase, thats something that got brought up, several times. And, you know, for the public, my understanding is that theres exists in basically two forms. One is where something is attached to the front of a patrol vehicle that shoots out a small object that attaches to the suspect car. Thats a gps tracker. Second version is a handheld version that can be fired, onto the suspect car, and my understanding is this this is this was this has been raised several years ago, this would this would allow for apprehension without any pursuit. So without any risk to the public that that arises from a pursuit, is there any update you could give to the public about, where you stand on that, and if this is something that could potentially be implemented, given that i think it was brought to your and command staffs attention several years ago. Yeah, definitely. Absolutely. And we have a placeholder in the budget for star chase and other technologies. We still have to finish the research on star chase. And if we get it, how we would deploy it, but i have personally researched that and others on the department has as well. So we have a placeholder in the budget, hopefully to implement that type of technology. The one thing i will say is, yeah, it i believe can be very useful in terms of tracking a vehicle and doesnt guarantee apprehension, but it can be very useful in tracking a vehicle. So, we have a placeholder in the budget for it. So you will ask for star chase this budget cycle. Is that correct . Yeah. We have asked for at least when i say a placeholder funding to implement that technology because we dont have a contract, we still have some. So you will ask for the money for star chase, but you are still conducting Due Diligence on whether you will actually take the steps to purchase and implement the use of star chase. Is that right . Star trek, star chase, as well as, a couple other technologies. So, yes. Okay. And i promise this will actually be my last question, but it just arose in the in your last answer, which is, you know, i think, frankly, for myself and maybe members of the public here, this too, you know, you say its being evaluated and research is being done, but it has been several years, you know, since this was first raised. And i, im just wondering if theres anything you can say on why why it would take so long to just give a yes or no answer on whether this is something that i understand. The budget is a separate process, but a yes or no answer on whether this is a technology that we think is worth pursuing, in our department or not. Why does that Something Like that take several years . I let me make sure i understand your question. The yes or no answer. Yes. We are interested in star chase, things take several years because we have to prioritize our budget and, you know, we have many things that we would like to get. Some never even. So let me just clarify i because i said i understand theres a budget issue, but you said something. You said you have a placeholder for it in the budget, but you are still doing research to figure out whether you actually want to use it or not, whether its a good idea for sfpd to use it. So thats the piece that im asking about, not the budget part. You know, we have a we see the statistics. We have an incredibly high collision rate. It seems that every year we have multiple tragedies to innocent bystanders from chases. You have this on a surface level, promising at least partial solution raised to leaderships attention. And yet it takes years to just evaluate whether we want to move forward with it or not. So, you know, setting aside whether you get the money from the political branches, thats not up to you. Why are we still why do we still not have an answer on is star chase a worthwhile technology or not . That thats what im asking, i believe that it is. But the bottom line is, i think the verdict is still out on, you know, the star chase is not a widely used technology, and theres a reason why. I mean, obviously, youve done your research. One of the Deployment Methods for star chase is what looked like a gun that you shoot into the bumper of a car. I think we need to think carefully about those types of things because theyre not. That is not without its own set of risks. So we have a lot of ideas that come on the table and not all of them get implemented. Star chase is one that we are interested in. But like anything else, you know, the list is here and we try to narrow that down to get to whats realistic. For us to actually deploy drones has been in the conversation for years to do, lets not get started on drones because i dont have a lot more questions. To answer your question, there are many things that are on our list of things that would be good to have if we can get it, and thats one of them. But there are many others that have not been implemented yet. We have to prioritize. Okay. Understood. Thanks, chief. Mr. Young. Yes thank you, president elias. And thank you, chief, for the report. Its, really promising to see at least, you know, fewer incidents of gun violence and some of the numbers going down. I think that, Community Policing, some of the strategies that have been implemented are having a positive impact, i wanted to ask you, i read somewhere that the lawsuit as a result of the hill bomb is the judge there is inclined to proceed with allowing that, to happen. Im not going to inquire about anything specific to that other than when the, hill bomb happened. This commission requested that we have an investigation of what exactly, you know, may have happened, to, to, you know, kind of escalate the situation. And if there was going to be an analysis of whether this was a policy failure, a planning failure, and yet i havent heard anything. Are we close to having a summary or an outcome of that investigation on the departments end, given the pending litigation on this, i really dont think its wise for us to have a public presentation at this time. There are a couple of things that are happening, including, you know, the investigation that the epa has is doing thats still ongoing, but it is, as you said, i dont know how many lawsuits, but i know there are lawsuits, and we have litigation holds on records and things of that nature. So i dont think i should be speaking about that incident, giving, given what were were facing litigation. Were two months away from the potential next hill bomb. Has there been any effort to outreach to those individuals that participate in these this mission station, having Community Meetings to be able to engage, whether its, community members, homeowners or skaters, to plan and hopefully have a better outcome this year. Yeah, we, as we get closer, that will happen. And it also happened, for the halloween, which weve had in the past, hill bombs during the halloween, halloween evening actually. But there was Community Outreach of that type for halloween as well. And i cant say it was as a result of that that we didnt have hill bombs, but we did not have any hill bombs. So there was an interest in making sure that we didnt have the same type of issues that we had in july of last year. So there was that. And we will have it this year, because typically it happens in july, as you just laid out, pointed out. And so is there consideration for, for, a different approach or strategy for how to intervene in the potential hill bomb that will be taking place . Well, we will have Community Outreach, if thats your question. And i do know that we have people that are in the skate, skate Border Community that we have engaged with, more since last years event. There is a lot more Public Interest for people that live in that Community Since last years event. So we do plan to tap into both of those resources. And anybody else that wants to be in this conversation , which is what happened in in october. So that is likely to expand as we draw near, people tend to, anniversaries tend to refresh peoples memories and spur interest. So im sure well have some interest in what were doing. And how we do it. And people that want to have that conversation. Great, on a different item with regards to the Language Access numbers, thank you for providing an update on how we got to the numbers that were presented, the explanation or the analysis of the situation was that there was a person responsible for collecting that data and submitting it to oca, but that we do not know what that persons methodology was. And we cant access that person. Is that person on staff any longer, that person, i believe, has been off on, an injury or a work related injury for quite a while. So there are some, some Record Keeping these records that we just dont have, dont have in our hands right now, and that what needs to happen is to sit down a conversation between the current coordinator, which is officer guerin, who you all heard from, and, the former officer who did that for, for many years, i think about 4 or 5 years. And so i know that this dgo will, has been identified as one of the ones that will be having some Public Community working groups and feedback sessions. And i appreciate that because theres a lot of work to do on this. But what is your analysis of why in less than five years, weve had a 50 drop off in the number of clients and the utilization of Language Access services . Well, i mean, part of, i think in what you were given, is are the records what what they need to be or what they should be, and are we keeping accurate records because, theres a thought that were not comparing apples to apples, and thats why its important to actually understand what was reported in the past, and you know, the other the other part of this is the we just dont know if everything is being counted like it should be or it in terms of track. And for these Language Access requests. And thats part of our what we have to get to the bottom of, because there was that drop off and we, we need to understand what that is. But at this point we dont have that answer yet. And i think when we do get a chance to talk to the prior person, well be able to sort through if we are comparing the same set of factors which i dont believe we are, but that has not been confirmed yet. I dont know if it was agendized past the previous conversation, but i think, you know, the report that was submitted to us that explained the way why we why the numbers had looked so different is exactly what where were at right now. Chief, do you feel that when that person comes back from their medical leave, we can get an update and hone in on what the discrepancy issues are and how to better transition if and when this happens again, so that we dont have a gap or an enormous drop off in numbers. The way weve seen you. Yes, i do. And, also moving forward, i mean, this whole exercise, i mean, there are some things that we believe that we can improve on in terms of working with oca and making sure were on the same page with the reporting of what needs to be and should be reported. I mean, i think it just benefits the community at large, right . The better everyone understands what procedures, what protocols this department has in place and when they encounter folks that may need support, Language Access, support, that we are able to avail them of it and be proactive about it. Right. I know i received materials that explain what the training looks like. Its a very passive, approach to, to offering this service. I think we rely on individuals who, as the training itself mentions, you know, under duress, people who have limited english proficient. We, actually retreat. Right. And have even more limitations when they are encountering a Law Enforcement official. So i think theres a lot of work to be done. And i would like to get a better sense of what the solution is. How do we get back to 30,000 clients when the census demonstrates that, you know, Language Access is still a need and the numbers of immigrant or people who, require Language Translation Services has not changed in those five years. So i hope that we do, invest the time and energy so that we can improve in this area. Thank you. Yes, sir. Mr. Thank you very much, mr. President , cindy ellis, i just want to follow up on that regards to that. Two pedestrian, hit and run, first of all, i want to thank the officer for stopping that car going further, and then my other question, i would, i would like to ask is whether the person that was, you know, arrested and detained, was there a, i guess, a test of toxicology tests on them, whether he was at, it was in pure alcohol or where they use on drugs or is or is that someone their investigation. I dont, my understanding is there was no, objective symptoms of that. Okay so i dont, there was no, no charges on under the influence. Okay. And then ill take up, Vice President , matt carter on regarding this, the new Start Technologies for, i guess the new generation of, device to is, i guess, stop vehicles and so maybe we can work on that. Okay ill be happy to share some thoughts on it. Well theres a lot of things thats coming out that, you know, its i right now, so also on the regards to the, i guess on the muni bus, do we have a policy with the muni to i guess when they have incidents of on the bus where they push the button and we respond to it, and then whats the time frame and, we do respond to those, those distress distress calls for that, Bus Operators, and the Response Time varies. It really depends on where it happens. And where officers are when they when they receive those calls. We do have a muni, unit, its a small unit, but they are responsible. Partly not solely, but they are responsible for working with muni to address those type of issues. But really, its a patrol function. Its as much as a patrol function when those type of calls come out. But we do respond to those, those type of calls are high priority calls. A priority calls. So just really depends on the circumstances of that particular incident of how long it takes. And now looking at the time frame, probably, during after school, thats probably when you probably would get the most calls for these issues regarding, students on the bus having issues or the bus drivers pushing that button, is there any thought in taking a look at that, time frame, say 3 to 5 . You know, during when students are going home, parents are concerned that the kids get home. You know, see if you have a policy on that. Yes, sir. I yes, i can follow up. I dont know that we have, those type of trends, but its definitely something i can follow up on in terms. But we do respond to any type of emergency calls involving our our busses or our Bus Operators when they need help. And then, the mta, fare collectors, are they part of not part of the Police Department, theyre not. Okay, thank you very much, chief. Thank you. Sergeant. Members of the public would like to make Public Comment regarding line item five, the chiefs report. Please approach the podium. On hill bomb. Thanks for opening that up. The, i understand you werent in the in the loop on that, chief. Thats what you said after the incident. You know, we keep getting a series of irish captains in the mission. I live in the mission, the mission is not irish anymore, whos appointing these captains, the captain. We had before this last one. He wanted to build an additional wall around the place. He really did. I complained, i said, why you got all all of those, those horses and stuff out there in front of blocking it off. Why dont you put a pedestrian . Pissoir. There. Why dont you put a bathroom there . They laughed me off. And lets build a wall instead. And they dumped him. And i doubt that you. That was your idea to appoint an irishman down there. But anyway, then we got another guy. This guy arranges a hill bomb. Okay. The purpose was quoted in the press. A captain standing back from the scene said, were going to make a lot of arrests today before the thing even got going. The whole purpose of that, youre not in the loop. Theyre going to arrest a lot of brown and black kids because they wanted their ids. They wanted to get them into the system. And thats exactly what they did. They set them out there in your the street by your station. Well, they sent everything to ncic. First thing the first lawyer in the scene said was defending the kids. Was, is this a new system yet . The answer is, yeah, youre too late. So the chief doesnt seem to be involved in this. The answer is elected chief. And again, it might be this one. He might be a completely different person if hes elected by 471,000 voters like me instead of a single mayor. Thank you. Id like to use the overhead overhead again. Again . I was again talking about my son. Again, again. Its mothers day and im waiting. Still waiting for that presentation on on how to solve unsolved homicides. I would bring awareness to all the other unsolved homicides of these young people and children that have been murdered over the years in their cases. Still unsolved. And these mothers are still suffering. Here is more mothers that i stand with. And here is maddie scotts son, and his case is unsolved. So what do we do about this . I hope the presentation is going to bring some awareness and some implementation on all these unsolved homicides. This boys father is passed away. He the one gave me this poster and none of these cases are solved. Im not sure about this little baby, but you got a little child on here that is murdered and. I keep bringing this about my child. This is what i have to look at. You may be tired of looking at it, but im not. This is my son laying on a gurney, lifeless. His skin is decaying. What do we do about it . I know your mothers are proud of you. I see young men every day and i asked them and i say, i know your mothers are proud of you. I wanted to be proud of my son. I raised him well. I made sure he went to school. Is a little African American boy. I was scared for him, but he was doing well. Graduating from school, i had to walk across the stage and receive his diploma and death. And im still advocating for him in death. Im his voice now, let alone standing with other mothers. Do something about this. That is the end of Public Comment item line item six dpa directors report discussion report on recent dpa activities and announcements. Commission discussion will be limited to determining whether to counter any of the issues raised for future commission meeting. Executive director henderson. Thank you, i just want to i know we passed the, consent calendar. I just want to point out for folks because its in the notes, that part of the consent calendar included the sfpd, devices for a bias from the First Quarter of 2024. And a lot of those programs in there were also the focus of the dpa misconduct audit. So those have been, thats in there in case anyone is looking in there. Its referenced in the audit. So i dont want to miss, making those connections in terms of the audit, we also attend and participated this week in the association of local government auditors. I sent the entire team to that, convention by the entire team. I mean, steve fleharty, but i it sounded more impressive when i said that i just stop. I sent everyone, yeah. We this is the royal. We presented, and made two presentations at the conference, the first one was an introduction to Law Enforcement auditing that was copresented, with, the state of colorado. And the second presentation was on on our audit on san Francisco Police departments handling of officer misconduct. If i hadnt mentioned it before, that audit actually won an award. It was a night award for that audit, and so, steve fleharty received the award, and i plan on having that available in case anyone would like to take pictures with it, im going to bring that at the next commission so you guys will have it to see. Dont really touch it or get close, but you can take pictures with it for your instagrams and social medias, i do want to thank, our audit liaison, commissioner benedicto, the video that he prepared played at the conference as well as mine. Im not going to say whose was better received, but let me just tell you, someone got a standing ovation. So people were very excited about it. Well just leave it at that then it was definitely yours. Im not im not going to answer. Im just going to let you know it was well received, at the conference, the next audit is in progress. And just as a reminder that audit, is focusing on the departments process to ensure accurate and complete stop data. So thats still on the way. Were currently reviewing stop data extracts that have been provided from the department, in terms of, internal operations, we are in the dpa is now in the final stages of uploading data sets, for the first time to data sf and data sf is a Citywide Initiative thats run by the citys chief data officer, aiming to create a public and open database with hundreds of data sets that are accessible from across the departments. And the goal and participating in that is one to publish our most requested data. So hopefully that reduces our public Data Requests by having what we release be evidence informed by what people are asking for more frequently, and then secondarily to increase transparency and accessibility for our stakeholders. So were looking to forward feedback on what data is valuable and what information those stakeholders make decisions about, both with policing and Police Accountability. That includes the public. This commission, the department, board of supervisors and the mayor. So ill keep you updated on that project. But were excited about, participating, in that project as well, using our technology to create more efficiencies and transparencies, we also, participated in a presentation of dpa 101 talking about the organization, how we do what we do, at the tenderloin station meeting, one of our senior investigators, ali, who is here and seated in the back, visited the Community Center and answered questions as well for the public about our investigative process, attorney Stephanie Walker wilson from dpa. And Outreach Coordinator Carolyn Wysinger presented at the departments academy for their most recent promotional class as well, and answered questions about the organization and the work that we do since our last commission meeting, our cases, that have opened, closed and are pending have remained relatively consistent, but the top allegation for new cases that have come into the agency is, again, these are allegations have been in order for, an officer misbehaving or speaking inappropriately to the public, followed. Secondly by complaints of Excessive Force or failure to properly investigate. Number three, the full breakdown of those allegations that have come into the agency, have been filed and are available on our website as well, we have. We have a number of cases that are still pending final decisions, the investigations are completed, but were pending final decisions, 119 of those, sustained cases by dpa are still pending with the chiefs office, and we still have 13 cases, that have been sustained, that are pending with the commission, several of the cases that are pending with the commission are actually scheduled over the next two months. So i look forward to reporting those pending numbers, numbers decreasing, pretty soon over the summer, we have one case this evening thats in closed session tonight, also here in the hearing room with me is my chief of the legal division, diana rosenstein, and also senior investigator ali schultheiss, as well as Jermaine Jones, who will be presenting on two of the agenda items coming up for the evening, as always, people can contact us directly at sfgovtv. Org forward slash dpa or you can contact the office directly at 415 2417711. That concludes my weekly report and i will reserve my comments, for the agenda items as they are called for the rest of the evening. Oh, no, sir, minutes is up. Is it . The chief got it down to six. Did he . He did. I had a lot to say. Weeks of practice. I had changed the format and i need you to do better, mr. Henderson. More information, sergeant, for members of the public. No ones on the dais. No, from members of ye. Oh, okay, i just want to thank you again, dpa. Executive director, second time, second Consecutive Year for the 19th ward, its actually the third. Not that im counting the third time. The third. Third. Yes. Well, its the second time, so i guess its. Oh, did i say thank you . I think for the first one was, in part with the controllers office, but it was the same staff person. They just werent on my payroll. But it was anyway, congratulations there, executive director Paul Henderson. The award doesnt say that, but i may have a little postit or something. Dont you worry. Were all going to see it. Thank you, thank you. Commissioner sergeant. For members of the public, they would like to make Public Comment regarding line item six dpa directors report. Please approach the podium. And theres no Public Comment. Line item seven Commission Reports discussion and possible action. Commission reports will be limited to a brief description of activities and announcements. Benedicto thank you very much. President elias, just a couple of things, from my report. One was that that, president elias and i, attended a demonstration of a new, less lethal force option called a bolawrap that sfpd is considering, trialing with some of its tactical units. Its basically a very strong reinforced, rope that is around these two probes that will wrap around your your arms or legs. Theres going to be a full presentation before the commission about this option, i believe, next week. But ill be absent next week. So, here, and so president wise asked me to share my report this week. I think that from the materials wed read about it, as well as seeing it in action, i think it provides an additional tool in the toolbox for our officers to use that are less of lethal force. It doesnt carry the same risk. Its a good deescalation, item and it also does has a pretty low chance of causing accidental injury or pain. I was volunteered to be have it deployed on me and it was a perfectly, pinched my legs a little bit, but otherwise it was, it was not, was not painful in any way, president elias got to shoot the chief with it. So, theres probably tape of that floating around somewhere, but it was, a very enlightening demonstration to see the literature from them. It seems like theyre the company, is committed to not repeating some of the mistakes weve seen with the deployment of tasers in some jurisdictions. So one example, as weve seen in a lot of jurisdictions that have used tasers, there are some very tragic accidents where an officer will reach for their firearm. And, in an attempt to deploy the taser and deploy lethal force when they didnt intend to, because a taser is the same basic shape and format of a firearm, and the bolawrap weapon is shaped more like a like a remote, almost. And so that accidental deployment issue is hopefully been sidestepped. So they seem to have taken a lot of thoughtful choices. And its been deployed in some other departments, including some in the bay area. I believe mountain view, california has used it with success. So looking forward to my fellow commissioners as well as members of the public, seeing that seeing that demonstration as well, the second item on my report is, as members of the public are aware, last fall there was an issue with sfmta, issuing tickets to stolen cars. And those tickets getting back to an owner who not only no longer has their car, but now is a ticket. And since then ive been working closely with commander nicole jones of the traffic unit, who i wanted to give my compliments to chief, whos been doing a really tremendous job on this collaboration and in general on the collaboration between sfpd and mta. Theyve now loaded their handheld license plate readers with a stolen vehicle file, which i updated the commission on previously. So thats led to, i believe, over 200 recoveries of vehicles that are stolen. And those vehicles are now not getting ticketed. And those, owners are getting their car recovered by sfpd at at no cost to them, the next step is to add this technology to the little vehicles that you see. Mta go on. I guess theyre called gophers, those, readers have been installed in about 100 of those gopher devices, so hopefully thatll continue to improve this collaboration between sfpd and mta on on these stolen vehicles, and ill continue to meet with, commander jones quarterly as we continue this, to see the status of this collaboration. You know, we talked about, sock a little bit earlier. I think the sfpd mta collaboration is another example of the way we want the crossagency collaboration to work. And i was talking to commander jones that its unfortunate that it began with the way it did with these incidents of stolen tickets, but the collaboration seems to be working productively and im happy to report that, and also gave them a presentation. As long as its working well, ill continue to include it in my report. And that concludes my report. Thank you. Anyone ever doubts commissioner benedictos commitment to his role as a Police Commission . Then they need to see how he put himself in harms way to do this demonstration, and the only reason i think he was he volunteered is because, nobody wanted to hurt him. And there was such a long line to have me volunteer that they they chose him instead. But i, i look forward to next week. It is going to be before the commission and the public. So they can get more information on this new equipment, i will reserve my comments, but i will, invite people to learn more about it and anticipation for next weeks, agenda item because, my, im excited because my understanding is were going to actually have a really great presentation. The training departments going to come and be available to answer questions for the public and for the commission, on this new equipment, is there a video of commissioner benedicto as part of my commissioner benedicto . Im not going to be telling all the business, but yeah, ill let him answer that. There may or may not be a video. Yes, im bringing popcorn. Commissioner yee, thank you very much there, president. Cindy. Eliza, i just want to continue on. With, commissioner kevin benedicto. I last april 24th, we attended the san Francisco Police Sexual Assault awareness honoring, victims by wearing jeans and solidarity with, the worlds that, you know, been victimized. Also on the San Francisco quarterly, police award, for the officers of the month ceremony. So again, been a busy time for, commissioner benedict. Im just trailing behind him. So thats all i have to report. Thank you very much, chief. Oh, i just wanted to say, with that bolawrap technology, its a restraint device, not a less lethal. Its a restraint device. Mr. Yanez. Thank you, president elias, quick report, we are making major progress on the diversion program, on the prebooking diversion program. Were back on track with meeting consistently with the Community Assessment referral center, there is, you know, a lot of interest and investment in from both parties, i think, to make sure that we get this, going. And despite there being some challenges with funding because the citys, you know, being challenged with funding, i think that were going to have a program, in the near future, hopefully before the end of this year, we will have something going on, so i really appreciate , policy, director, i think diana oliva. Oliva. Oliver. Roach. Doctor. Oliva. Roach. Doctor oliva. Rocky. Doctor. Thats right. Okay well, shes definitely been able to shepherd this along. Yes, sir, defense. Yeah. Thats right. Yeah we should definitely take a moment to congratulate. And so be hard to have, doctor. There you go. And so im sure shes. You know, viewing this at home. Oh, congratulations. Shes not. I hope shes enjoying a night out. I know. Right . Her celebration today. Yes. I hope shes not watching, and then, i really want to, give a shout out to Jermaine Jones from dpa, who took the torch from janelle k haywood. Yes, with regards to the investigative social media, dgo, its been a very, involved process with many partners, we are at the stage where, dpa is working and actually meeting with officers who are involved with, investigative social media investigations themselves. And weve been getting a lot of, agreement on what needs to be in place in order for us to improve the dgo and the policy around investigative social media. So thank you for your work on that effort. And i know that it is still, well, you know, a ways to go before we come to a conclusion with that process because there are still some differences of opinion in some areas. But i like that we are having good communication and making progress on that. So that is my report. Thank you. Thank you, Vice President carter. Thank you, president elias, its been almost three months now since this Commission Voted to enact dgo 9. 07, and i believe its set to go into effect sometime next month. Chief i just wanted to ask you if you could give any update on the status of the preparation of the training materials or just implementation more generally . Sure, were on track. So we have, no reason for an extension at this point. Well continue to apply for it. Its very succinct. Okay. Thank you. Thats all for me, sergeant. For members of the public, they would like to make Public Comment regarding line item seven. Please approach the podium. Commissioners, im h brown. I have a masters in special education. Ive been working with gangster kids since i got out of the navy in 1965. So thats a long, long time. Ive, anyway, i wont brag. Anyway, ill be here every week trying to get through the calendar, trying to get you to put on your agenda, trying to get you to talk amongst yourselves about whether or not we should have an elected police chief. Okay thats just about it. Except quorum. Quorum you know that, one of the directors here who was appointed by the mayor wouldnt be here if one of you had called in sick. Thats because we lost our quorum, what, three times in the last four meetings . The chief is smiling. He knows whats up. You know, the mayor doesnt want to see you meet. Period. That didnt prop e give you an idea of what she thinks of you, she doesnt want to want anybody in the way of what she does with the police chief, pardon me . The police force, except for the sfo, because she wants their endorsement and shell do whatever for that. Thats the problem there. The police chief is torn between the mayor who appointed them and the cpo, who actually runs the force, commissioner, you feeling ill now or no. If next week. If deborah. And never mind. Thank you very much. But quorum guys, youre our window into the Police Department and the Police Department is not working. That is the end of Public Comment, madam. Line item eight joint presentation and discussion with dpa and sapd on the city and county of San Franciscos homicide rewards program, industry best practices, and efforts to solicit information to solve cases. Discussion. Hello. Hi good evening, im noah mellinger. Im the captain of the major crimes unit. This is lieutenant sanders. Hes the officer in charge of the homicide unit. Were going to do a brief powerpoint, and then dpa is going to present their findings. And then well be here for to answer any questions you may have, thats pretty much it. Do you have the powerpoint up there . Its on there. Oh all right, i dont know. Which this thing right here. No. Good evening, president elias. Vice president carter. Ulverstone commissioners. Chief. Scott director. Henderson, paul. Good evening. Im here to discuss or present information about rewards for unsolved and cold cases. Okay. San Francisco Police department established a cold case unit with the goal of reexamining evidence to vigorously investigate cases for successful outcome. The unit is currently staffed with five, nine, 60 retired employees. Some of those guys were lieutenants, captains and sergeants. And we actually have one sworn sergeant assigned to the unit. Unsolved homicides are constantly being reviewed and investigated for any new leads. Forensic evidence, or other information that may be helpful with solving cases. After five years of nonactivity, a case may be reassigned to the cold case unit regardless of the unit assigned to the to the case. Rewards are still offered once all the exhausted leads have been excuse me. Once all leads have been exhausted, once its been transferred to cold cases, regular communication with the next of kin is established to give updates, and some information will be shared with the next of kin. Family members. This next slide is about admin code 10. 103 thousand six. Its been effective since may 8th, 2016. Public donations are approved for the purpose of this admin code. Some of the rules set forth. Ill go over that. The chief may pay a reward to any person or persons providing information to leads that leads to an arrest and successful conviction of a person for the crime of murder. The person may not have participated in the Planning Commission or concealment of the crime. Information must have been unknown to the police and to the das office at the time it was provided. The reward is at the chiefs discretion and theres no right to a reward, the board of supervisors can shall approve any reward over 100,000. We also have a unit order 17 zero one. And this unit order on the right hand side. All leads, like i said before, have to be exhausted, then the investigator will complete a memo. Once the memo goes up to chain and gets approved, its released, and we request the Media Relations department to issue a press release and possibly a news conference. Increments on a reward can go from 10,000 or more, depending on the circumstances of the case. The case is ongoing, and constantly being reviewed, and every six months we can increase the reward. So weve always had a dedicated web page for the san Francisco Police department on unsolved homicides and cold cases. In february of 2023, we took steps to improve and revamp this page. This web page. Members of the it team, myself and chief scott, we met and we put together a what we thought was the best format considering the information that we all came up with and that members of the public wanted to see. So we got their feedback as well. The new reward website was completed and went live in may 30th of 2023. The old website only had 17 cases, which, had 19 victims on it. Year to date. We have 176 cases on the website and like i said, its active, currently active. Additional ways that we try to bring attention to homicide cases are through the tv monitors at district stations. Thats been in place since 22,022 with the help of miss Paulette Jones and retired lieutenant mike philpot, excuse me, miss brown. Sorry we also have investigators attend memorials. We pass out reward bulletins at Community Meetings and in the community. We frequently partner with the Media Relations unit to request a news release or issue a press conference for certain cold cases, the Media Relations unit will also publish information on sfpd social media platforms for us, and in some cases, reach out to the Mainstream Media outlets to produce a cold case segment. We also work with the san Francisco Police Department Community Engagement Division and assist in events or attend events that they plan. This next powerpoint, to so rewards paid out in 2000. Since 2001, we paid out seven rewards, the first reward was 2001. The last i was paid in 2013. And its important to point out that it pays can remain anonymous per the admin code. And ill turn it over to mr. Jones. Sorry i, president elias, commissioners and chief scott, im Jermaine Jones, policy attorney for the dpa. I was asked to, assist the Homicide Team with looking into how jurisdictions handle cold cases. Can you get closer to the mic . Sure thing. Real soft spoken. I get that a lot, so i met with the Cold Case Team, specifically chris fountain, to get a better, better understanding of how their operation works and what theyve looked into for, then looked into policies for some large jurisdictions around the country and followed up with survey questions, unsurprisingly, we didnt get too many responses, but four did respond. At a high level, there are some pretty big policy differences among jurisdictions, the biggest split is between government run reward programs and third party reward programs, the government run reward programs, are present in San Francisco, philadelphia, l. A. County, and metro dc. They all have, small differences, but ill go into those, third party reward programs are often run by a group called Crime Stoppers. Its, a National Organization that has subchapters for state and areas and also get into those, other differences between these programs include the payment clauses. So whether you need to obtain a conviction, whether an individual needs to be charged or whether its just identifying or arresting a suspect, other differences include, whether the information is unknown to Law Enforcement agencies or its corroborating information, reward amounts vary , and the types of crimes involved, it varies widely. So the government run programs are mostly, homicide reward programs. The programs run by Crime Stoppers include tips for almost any crime, it seems, so ill get into some of the government run programs. The, Cold Case Team went over the San Francisco, requirements to pay a tip, so i wont repeat them at length, but they break down to tips that lead to an arrest and conviction for murder, the person receiving the tip has to have no participation in the underlying crime, and the information must have been unknown to sfpd, philadelphia was a jurisdiction that mirrors San Francisco. Except they had a much more stringent, list of ineligible persons to receive tips. La county has another government run program thats distinct from la city. So the la county program is run through the board of supervisors, it comes out of the Discretionary Fund of each supervisor, it applies to homicide, but also manslaughter and damage to property. And it includes instances that of tips that lead to apprehension, and or conviction. But the or prong is importantly, when the board of supervisors makes a finding of impossibility of conviction due to the death of the suspect. Metro dc also runs a Government Program, they give out rewards of up to 25,000 for tips that lead to arrest or conviction, but theres no Public Information on, participation or whether tips have to be unknown, so as you see, with the government run programs, they, they often they all, are, deal with tips that lead to convictions, the third party tip lines, by contrast, dont always deal with convictions, those. Are sometimes arrests and that can be a wide range of crimes. Third party tip lines are run by, third party service, and they solicit tips online, by phone or using smartphone apps, they dont require any personal information, and the tipster often receives a unique id that they can check, for updates. One important difference between these third party tip lines and a government run tip line is that theyre donation based. These Crime Stoppers programs are often funded by large corporate sponsors, and are run in coordination with the local Law Enforcement unions, and thats seen across the vast majority of the programs, other Third Party Organizations include silent witness and tip soft, and again, theyre not limited to homicide cases, lapd had a pretty, big, press conference when they partnered with la Crime Stoppers to pay 500 tips that were related to ghost gun manufacturing and trafficking, id like to briefly go over some of the other Crime Stoppers regional programs. Just to give a sense of what other jurisdictions are doing. So new york city has a pretty robust Crime Stoppers program. Theyve been working with the Organization Since 1983, and over the last 40 years, theyve paid about 3 million in rewards. Their website says that its led to the arrest of over 9000 suspects and 1000 solved murders, their most recently cited high profile case was related to a 2022 train car shooting that resulted in ten victims, nypd Crime Stoppers reported receiving multiple tips, which led to the arrest of the suspect. And they paid out a 50,000 reward, which was split evenly between all of the tipsters and, new york is a good jurisdiction to look at because they keep their website pretty updated. Theyve paid 14,000 in tip rewards, during the month of april 2020 for i didnt really see other jurisdictions that kept their information as up to date as new york, lapds, or the los angeles Crime Stoppers program is also, functioning in los angeles. Aside from the government run program. That was something unique that i saw to la, the la Crime Stoppers Program Works with 87 cities and 44 Law Enforcement agencies, they have paid about 200,000 in rewards, and have received over 150,000 tips, 5000 of those tips were homicide tips and they have reported their tips leading to 58 million in drug seized and 4400 arrests. But they didnt have any specifics on homicides, some other jurisdictions that have Crime Stoppers programs are san diego county, one piece of information that they publicized, which i didnt see other places, is that they, theyre Crime Stoppers group works with Media Partners to bring more awareness to unsolved felony crimes, the Silicon Valley Crime Stoppers is, another, local jurisdiction in using the program, we sent out a survey to ten jurisdictions just to see if people would talk to us about the structure of their, Cold Case Program and whether their tip lines have led to reliable, reliable information. We sent our request out to ten jurisdictions, and four responded, our intern, whose last name i would butcher, followed up and spoke with several of the jurisdictions, all four, all four jurisdictions stressed, very high volume of tips that can come in when they publicize, one of these, rewards. And, they acknowledged that third party tip lines are a reliable source of information and helped them to corroborate known information, but they couldnt point to any specific homicides solved, so that was what i could find, by looking around the country at what jurisdictions are doing. Okay, go ahead and come on up, we have Vice President carter overshown. Thank you, president elias. And thank you for the presentation from, Jermaine Jones and lieutenant sanders. I think most of my questions are going to be for jermaine, but but please, lieutenant sanders, please chime in if, if you have anything to add on any of these first. First, i just want to acknowledge why were having this, this agenda item, which is all because of miss brown, who attends every single Police Commission meeting and advocates , not only for the solving of her own sons murder, but for, Better Success and better approaches to address all the unsolved homicides that have been that have been pending for so long. So just want to acknowledge her and for all of her advocacy on this. And this is this is why were here. What i speaking for myself, what i would love to be able to do is to look at what other jurisdictions are doing and see if theyre doing things differently than were doing that have shown some success or some promise. So let me just ask a couple questions for deepa, just so i understand what what we learned from looking at the other the other jurisdictions policies. So is it on this, on this chart . Can you just tell us which one of these which of these jurisdictions, where do they require that the information be unknown to the department in order for, for the award to issue . And i guess the reason im just asking is because, you know, they all require that an award lead to some outcome, whether it be an arrest or conviction. So i guess im just having a little bit of a hard time understanding if the local Law Enforcement agency is already in possession of information, how can a tip that doesnt provide any new information lead to an arrest . Do you see what im saying, yeah, i see what youre saying there. Well, the philadelphia policy, i believe, spoke directly to tips that were new to the department. Okay. What other jurisdictions have. Well, the four that responded said that tips are helpful for them in corroborating information. So im not a detective. I dont know if that helps them get to an arrest, but okay, thats fair. So maybe they already had the information, but theyre theyre more certain of it when its when a tip kind of corroborates evidence, other evidence that they had that might be the case. Okay. I guess. And so what were the four jurisdictions that responded to our survey, so that was san diego, san jose, houston and phoenix. Okay. And so i guess, you know, theres multiple levers here. Theres the amount of the award, right . More money would presumably incentivize more tipsters. Seems like were paying way more money than anyone else. So thats not something that would necessarily increase the efficacy of our program. Theres the outcome, seems like we have a pretty high bar relative to other jurisdictions requiring conviction. Not just not just arrest or apprehension, then theres the question of whos eligible. I guess, you know, my understanding is we dont give out awards for anonymous tips. And theres also, various persons that are ineligible depending on if they were involved in, is it just the underlying crime or is it broader than that, id have to take a look at the admin code. I believe its the underlying crime for San Francisco. Yes, but okay, i would like to point out, lets see the policy in philadelphia, its a little bit more of a stringent list. So in ineligible persons include elected officials and their family members, anyone providing information in consideration of a plea or negotiated settlement, anyone whos a fugitive or wanted anyone involved in criminal activity and providing information with the sole motive of removing criminal competition and any person that provides essential information with ulterior motives. Contrary to public policy, they have a much broader. Okay, thats helpful, but, but but for us, its just involvement in the underlying crime being investigated. Okay so i guess i mean, the question in my mind is, you know, which things could we change in our policy . I guess in the last thing i would note about our policy is that as i understand it and please, lieutenant sanders, feel free to chime in. It is discretionary in the sense that even if you meet the qualification for the award, either the chief of police or the board need to ultimately approve it, depending on the amount. Is that right . Yes thats correct. Okay. And jermaine, in response to the survey, it sounds like we didnt in response to the survey or any other information we collected, we did not find a jurisdiction that was having a lot of success solving homicides and specifically homicides through their tip program. Is that right . Thats correct. The only jurisdiction that published, any sort of statistics on their tip program and homicides was new york and san diego. They they both reported solving homicides through tip programs, but they didnt have specifics that they could share with us. At least san diego didnt. New york didnt respond. Okay, lieutenant sanders, could i ask you a couple of questions now . Now that ive kind of got a little bit better handle on this. So there are some aspects to our policy that strike me as restrictive in the in terms of, you know, who qualifies for the award, but its not clear to me why. Why we couldnt have a more permissive policy. So, for example, you know, not a not giving awards to anonymous tipsters and then also requiring that the tip lead to a conviction when instead of just, lets say criminal charges being filed, you know, interm, if youre just thinking about getting high quality information that leads to positive outcomes, it seems like we should be just as happy, right, to get an anonymous tip thats high quality. And then secondly, you know, its outside the tipsters control whether a jury ultimately convicts someone. All thats from Law Enforcements perspective is that the information was reliable enough to obtain an indictment. And institute charges, why . Why, yeah, why why do we i mean, do you do you think theres a good reason to not give tip money to anonymous tipsters and to require conviction . Or do you think we could relax those restrictions, and perhaps get more, get more people coming forward. Its a good question, i do believe that i was working in homicide when this was put together back in 2016, and that was to get information coming in for one of the cases. I actually had a quadruple homicide when i was investigating it. It was tough to get information coming in. I know that the chief of police back then went to the board of supervisors to increase the reward. Why they came up with those rules, im not sure, but in my opinion, i mean, i know that we at the time, they had to consider receiving misinformation on so they can prevent wrongful convictions and , and incentivizing witnesses, to give information would be an issue. So they had to put some limits or terms in there. Okay. And just from your experience, just your experience working from sfpd, what would you be do you have would you have any concerns about allowing anonymous tipsters to receive money or only requiring, for example, that a tip lead to charges being brought rather than a conviction . Is there something in your experience as as a, you know, as an officer that would tell you that we shouldnt relax the rules . I personally dont have any concerns regarding anonymous tipsters, being paid money to receive information. I think it would be a big help for my unit personally. To solve some of these cases and bring closure, so i. I dont have an issue with that, but i do know its not up to me. Its up to the board of supervisors and of course, everyone else. Of course. Yes. Okay. Great. And i just had one more question for jermaine, it seems like this is an area where there isnt a ton of as much information or data as we would like to be able to guide our own policy, our own policy making here at home, is there anything else that you would recommend that we do as a commission to gather information on this topic, given that that dpa and the department have already worked pretty hard to pull pull information together, yeah. I think it would be helpful for the commission to send a letter to some of the jurisdictions that i pointed out, specifically new york, maybe to get some more information from them, when they get an email from department of Police Accountability. I dont know how, likely they are to want to reply to that, but, i think maybe some additional inquiry would help, do they know that its the Award Winning department of Police Accountability . I didnt add that triple triple award. Yeah, that was my fault. Aside from that, maybe starting conversations with departments that have cold case units that work with, anonymous tip lines just to maybe have some deeper discussion of whether the programs are working well for them. I know theres probably more they would say to these guys than they would say to me. So, those conversations might be helpful, outside of that, i think, you know, for San Francisco, its the we have the, the highest reward amounts in the nation, so its not a amount of money issue. Its really, were seeing with other jurisdictions, they have more tips flowing in with smaller dollar amounts, so, so, its just a, a question of whether thats beneficial to them. Great. Thanks so much for the joint presentation. Director henderson, thank you. Ill start with, the department. I appreciate the history of what the reward board fund has been. I think thats really helpful. And having this conversation and shaping what is possible for what were doing. And i also want to thank, mr. Jones from dpa for pointing out the specific comparisons ive always said. And i think its really important that being able to compare apples for apples matters, and its hard to look at what San Francisco is doing without a comparison from other like, agencies. So i think that was also super helpful. I would, you know, commissioner overstone asked me for this, asked for the suggestions, which i was going to do, but thank you, ahead of time, one of the things that i think might be helpful, as an extension from the collaborate from the presentation is if maybe the inquiry comes not just from the commission, but from the department itself, since you guys Work Together to make the presentation, i cant imagine that the departments from the other cities would not be responding, if sfpd were the ones that were asking for some of that information. And then we had a follow up, maybe not a full hearing and presentation, but in a report that gets issued to the commission with the information and analysis from both of the both of the parties, meaning both dpa and the department itself, on maybe some of the ways that we could tweak out some improvements for the process thats going on. Its not lost on me that this is the highest reward, amounts that we have here. And if we could couple that with some of the outcomes that theyre able to achieve in other jurisdictions. And i do understand that in those jurisdictions, its a coupling with agencies like Crime Stoppers thats deeply involved with Community Involvement that generates a lot of those tips that may be helpful. But if theres a way for us to harness some of those suggestions into something that might be helpful, thats thats my suggestion is some sort of report. After we get information from the other agencies, thats it. Commissioner benedicto. Thank you, president elias. Thank you to the department and to dpa for that presentation. It was it was very helpful. I mean, i think that i agree with what the Vice President said and that the focus here is what can we be doing differently to get better results. And i think that what that was very helpful to hear both what were doing and to see those what other departments are doing, mr. Jones, i had a couple of questions for the jurisdictions that use third parties that use like Crime Stoppers, for example. What is the like . You know, i know theyre often a nonprofit. Like what is that relationship like on the back end . Is there an mou between the department and the third party . I i recognize we didnt get that much information. Im wondering if you have any sense of that. Yeah i actually tried to look for mous, but i didnt see them, the website show that they are nonprofits and theyre often run, in collaboration with the local police union. So, let me see if i wrote a list of them. I shortened my notes. Oh. So la, for instance, the sponsors included the la county peace officers association, the la police protective league, and various corporate sponsors, new york was supported by the new York City Police foundation, i dont have the rest of them off the top of my head, but i can send those along to you. So are there jurisdictions those la using both a Government Program through the ordinance and partnering with a nonprofit . So are our jurisdictions that have that have both. Its not either or, that thats correct. La was the only one that i found that had both, so they have a program run through the board of supervisors, and then they have a separate affiliation with the la Crime Stoppers. And the Crime Stoppers Organization Works with all of the Law Enforcement agencies in the county. Interesting because, yeah, i do feel like, you know, we are somewhat restricted by the ordinance as to what changes we can make here, but if there were a separate organization like Crime Stoppers, that was that was acting, you know, as a private entity, theyre obviously not bound by by by the ordinance in quite the same way as Crime Stoppers are these like, for example, you know, it looks like la, new york, san diego, san jose, all these organizations. Is it a single like nonprofit that does a nationwide . Are these sort of organizations that share a name but are actually independent organizations . Do you know . I dont know precisely. I know that theres a Crime Stoppers usa, which is kind of the national model. And then, there are jurisdictional Crime Stoppers groups, oakland had one, but i havent been able to find any other information about it. And then some of them are county specific. Some seem to be cities. So yeah, it seems like that like that kind of partnership. It seems like would be a good complement to what we have, because it seems from what ive looked at from your research, Crime Stoppers has a lower threshold and a lower reward. And so it could be so the other side of the coin for our central reward program, which is the very high threshold, but the very high reward, maybe we can invite Crime Stoppers to come and present to get that, because again, like were also just looking for more data, and it seems like they might potentially have a significant amount of data, there are, there is the santa clara chapter, which is pretty close. So ill reach out to them and try to see if i can make a connection. Okay, great. And then i think your suggestion that if theres anything the commission can do, or the department to help increase the responsiveness to your inquiries, i think theres a commitment in figuring out what we can change. I, you know, i spoke to miss brown before this, had started, and shes been going shes coming here a long time. And, you know, were trying to get to a place where we can have action and not just discussion. And so i think anything we can do to move that forward, i think, is important. I also want to, echo i want to thank, Vice President carter hubberstone for, for asking this item to be agendized and for his leadership on this issue and echo his. Thanks. To miss brown for her tireless advocacy on this issue, as well as to president elias for their work on this. So thank you for the presentations, and thank you for coming today. Chief thank you, president elias, just a couple of thank you for the research and the teamwork on this. One of the things i just wanted to note that, i think Vice President carter was done in commissioner benedicto that we havent discussed is the inner relation and the interplay between fear of retaliation and peoples reluctance to even accept a reward. I mean, we have significant rewards here, but, one of the challenges that we have is dealing with, even if somebody gets a reward for somebody whos rooted in a community and afraid to get involved because theyre afraid of what might happen to them, we thats a very difficult piece to figure out that i think for us, if we can figure out that piece, we may get more success. You know, we have, you know, witness relocation through the state and those type of things. But oftentimes, its theyre not in sync all the time. So thats a huge hurdle, particularly for violence and homicides that, are gang related or people are afraid of what might happen if they get labeled, you know, a snitch, basically. So thats thats one piece that i know weve talked about with some of our survivors is a real hard hurdle to clear that we havent really figured out yet, but thats one that well continue to try to put some thought into because i think if we can marry those two pieces up, we may have more success with people taking on these rewards and cooperating. Sergeant for members of the public who would like to make Public Comment regarding, excuse me, line item eight, please approach the podium. As i said, i was special Education Teacher for a long time. Its really good. One because i was raised in the projects. You know what, chief . We knew everybody who killed everybody when we were six, eight years old because we were invisible and we were running around the, the, the scenes of these things, from the time whatever. Some of some of the kids carried guns, call them poppers, a six year old kid carrying a gun on the side, you know, the adult is going to use it wont get busted. But, what i was thinking was, miss brown, my condolences, but, this is 2006, age. The 12 year olds in that era, and i taught i taught middle schoolers, and i had them write, to write, write about all kinds of stuff. Whats been happening, whats going on . Some of them wrote about witnessing murders. This is over a long time, from South Carolina to San Francisco. But, from take 8 to 12 year olds in the period when your son was murdered, go to mission high, may do a mailing to about 4000 people who would be 26 to 30 years old now. Okay you shouldnt do that, miss brown. The department actually should do that. All right, give them give them a nice blog or glossy, piece of mail, a letter that they wont throw in the trash. But its been a while. Okay, there might be people. When i went to my 50th anniversary, we had a couple of guys in that class who were went on to be police chiefs. One fire chief and several contract killers, at that 50th reunion, were all sitting around bullshitting, and people started saying, hey, chief, you know, i knew, i knew, somebody who got murdered. I knew their killer. I like to use the overhead again. So we have this one that you just did a presentation on. This one was from 2022, and its the same information. You just formatted it. Its the same stuff. And i didnt want this. Its the same stuff. Even some of the articles in here is the same from 2022. So whats being done here . It again. And even what you read here and it says, 0 having been paid for a decade, i circled this is right here. It says neither city officials nor their families are are allowed to receive rewards. Neither are those who help the case as part of a plea bargain or settlement. People wanted by law are who who turns over information. So their criminal rivals can go to jail. You have the same stuff here. Again heres another article where it says robert, san Francisco Police spokesperson robert rerecord me, meanwhile, told that the standard that the department has no record of ever paying a reward. And he also said that the department has no record of how much money has been, has they have in the bank for the rewards. So wheres that money going . Wheres the money at . How i mean, or how that the money has been made managed . Have it been managed . Here is another article. What you guys did back in 2023 about gun violence. The same thing is being said over and over again. And like you mentioned, its a lot of talk but no action, a lot of talk, but no action. What are we going to do . I, like i said, im tired of coming here having to do this. I should be going to my grandchild graduations. But no, im coming here getting the same thing over and over again. Action needs to be taken. That is the end of Public Comment line item nine discussion and possible action to approve the Police Commission statement of purpose and forward to the mayor and board of supervisors for approval, discussion and action. Mr. Allen, come on up. Mr. President. He is. Hello. Good evening. Good evening. Thank you very much. Im tempted to take a little bit more than my two minutes of time to which im accustomed, and i might go slightly over that, but not by much. Well, before i let you begin, im going to actually turn it over to. No. Okay. Were going to let you begin. And then i think Vice President carter, i was waiting for an introduction, but i was giving him i wanted him to introduce you. Since i hear none, i will proceed. You really need no introduction. You require no introduction in this chamber, well, i hope thats a compliment. Thank you, president elias, good evening, commissioners. Chief scott, im honored to present for your consideration a draft of the Police Commissions proposed statement of purpose. And i thank Vice President carter. Carter oberstein, who has been my drafting collaborator for the opportunity to do so. As you know, the city charter requires boards and commissions to adopt such a document annually. And in the words of the statute, a document that outlines a commissions quote, jurisdiction authorities, purpose and goals, jurisdiction authorities. Purpose and goals. Too often, the statutory requirement, at least in San Francisco, is honored peremptorily by, as treated as no more than a box to be checked with all the forethought that goes into checking boxes. That sort of failure, in my opinion, disservices both the relevant commission and the public for two reasons. First, in the process of identifying a commissions purpose and goals, one assumes that the members of the commission will engage in some sort of introspection as to what it is they are trying to accomplish. What are the principles and standards that will guide their Decision Making . And i assume that was in the minds of the drafters of the statutory provision. And secondly, and equally important, if not more so, is that the articulation of these principles and standards, these goals, if you will, might enhance public understanding of what it is a commission is trying to accomplish, and in doing so, increase Public Acceptance of what it is the Commission Decides to enact or decides to do. In short, it seems to me there is merit in both internally in terms of in inside Decision Making at the commission and perhaps more importantly, serving a larger civic purpose, turning to the document before you, San Francisco is not unique among American Cities in requiring some sort of statement by its Police Commissions. And weve looked at other cities philadelphia, chicago, new york, among others. But of course, the heart of the statement is the or are the goals and principles, and sergeant, if we could show the overhead on that. We i guess you cant see all of these on one document, im not going to go through these. Every item youve had, the had this in your advanced materials. Theres no reason for me to go through them. But i would suggest to you that in looking at these eight, there are, at least in my view, four themes that come through. And those themes are Public Safety, professional realism, accountability, and transparency, professionalism, Public Safety, professionalism, accountability and transparency. It seems to me those are the themes that are embedded in all of these. So in short, adoption of this sort of statement i think is in the best interest of the commission. And i think more importantly, it might enhance public understanding and acceptance of what it is the commission does, if adopted, ideally with the cooperation of those who run the website, it would be prominently posted on the website for the public to, public to view. Finally, a i will observe that a tenacious researcher of section 4. 102 statements might well conclude that this particular one, is among the most concise, comprehensive, and lucid. Of any in the city. And that is appropriate for the Police Commission, which, after all, is among the most influential and powerful commissions in the city, probably second only to the Planning Commission. So with that, i conclude my comments, and im sorry i ran over by three minutes. No, first of all, i want to thank you for your commitment and dedication to this process. When i first met you, we were discussing 9. 07 and you were very diligent in bringing it to our attention that we were missing our Mission Statement, and i really want to thank you for your commitment to this process, because i really appreciate the fact that you do two things. Number one, you actually read the material and understand what youre talking about. Oftentimes we have people who want to engage, but they dont read or understand the process. And so it makes it, you know, a little difficult to move forward. And so i really want to commend you and thank you for taking the time to do that. And number two, just for taking the time to, be patient with us in terms of getting this Mission Statement done. So i do want to thank you and i want to thank Vice President carter overstone for working with you in this process and producing, i think, is a great document. Thank you. Yeah, i just wanted to recognize paul for his important work on this, for those who dont know, paul allen, i mean, paul, i think is fair to say is a frequent critic of a lot of what the Police Commission is doing. And and i think that an important part of every commissioners job is to listen to criticism, listen to public feedback, especially from feedback thats critical from folks who disagree with us. I think its a core part of our job. What paul did, i think thats different than a lot of the feedback we get is he pointed out, not just pointed out, a problem, but he also offered to enlist himself in providing a solution, and, and spent a lot of his own time researching and drafting this, statement of purpose that we now have before us, paul and i dont always agree on every issue relating to Public Safety, but paul, i think, is an independent and rigorous thinker, and his ideas are always well reasoned. And i think weve weve we the public and the commission has benefited from him, his thoughts and comments and reactions, so tonight im very happy to have the statement of purpose. It was great collaborating together on it. And i urge my colleagues to adopt it. I take that as your motion. Can i get a second, second, second for members of the public that would like to make Public Comment regarding line item nine, please approach the podium. There is no Public Comment on the motion. Commissioner benedicto, how do you vote . Yes. Mr. Benedict was. Yes. Commissioner young. Yes, i commissioner yanez, is. Yes. Commissioner yee, no. Commissioner yee is no. Vice president carter overstone. Yes. Vice president carter is. Yes. And president elias. Yes. President elias is. Yes. You have four yeses. Line item ten. Presentation and discussion on sfpd and dpa. Sparks report First Quarter 2024 discussion. Hes got the budget. Hello. Hold on. We get started. Were going to put a timer on i appreciate that. I know that you are definitely going to be adhering to the time i worry about others. Okay. Good evening. Sorry no, its a powerpoint. My name is ahsha steeves. Im the policy Development Division manager with sfpd, and im here to present our quarter one sparks report for 2024. And this just covers the data from january to march 31st. And we will also provide some update information of policy updates from. Im starting march 31st to date. Thats it. Thank you. You can just go to the first slide. Thank you. Can so as you know these reports are required per the resolution which we call the sparks resolution. Its 2706. This again this resolution came out in 2006. So it would be lovely if this commission would consider reviewing that that resolution and potentially updating it so that it aligns with our current terminology and also your current needs with how to review policy. In the report that we submitted. That should be in your packet. We went over 32 manuals and also updates relating to 39 ns. We also provide information about those ns on whether they are going to be reissued or rescinded or archived. Next slide please. So here are some policy updates relating to activity that happened after march 31st. So in the report there are some stagnant information. So dgo 207 and dgo 513. They have completed the concurrence process, as you know, the concurrence process is when, leadership and sfpd and dpa get together to discuss the edits, the most recent edits to a particular draft dgo or policy before it is sent over to the commission. So again, 207 and 513 have completed concurrence, and they are currently in blue folders. We call it a blue folder because we literally put the document in a blue folder with a tracking sheet, and its reviewed by the sgm. Sometimes the executive sponsor and the chief of police and chief of staff, and sometimes also Labor Relations will check it. So we get that sign off from the chief before we package it, and we send a digital package to the Police Commission. Dgo 610 we are currently seeking executive sponsor approval of stage one, were ahead of schedule. The deadline for stage one is may 21st, so we just sent out an email on monday seeking the approval from the executive sponsor for dgo 1011, our final concurrence meeting was held on friday, may 3rd, so that two is being packaged for blue folder routing, and then we have some dgos that were clearly named in property that are taken out of if they were part of the 2024 or 2023 list, are taken out of that as those need to be approved by october 1st. Next slide please. So as a reminder, dgo 301 requires an annual general order review list. So every year we have to get a new list approved. Ours was initially submitted in november and approved in february. So this sets the work plan for the department as well as with dpa. So we put forward 15 dgos for review and update this year. And we carried over a few from 2023. So this is just a snapshot. This particular slide of the dc determined timelines, while dgo 301 allows for a 90 day timeline, many of our deputy chiefs chose 60 days just to, kind of quicken the pace. And now that we have a centralized policy development unit, its easier to actually have Version Control and work with smes and get that information to dpa and get an exchange with dpa. Since the documents arent kind of all over the department. Right. So, so this is again, this is just a snapshot on where we are with, the notifications that we sent out for stage one. Theres an update. Since this was submitted last week, weve sent a notification out for dgo 607 dog complaints that went out on the sixth, and then our notification for dgo 1102 secondary employment went out on the seventh. So next slide please. So this is just an update on some of the 2023 dgos. Again, these were on the 2023 general order review list. And they carried over into 2024, some highlights here is 310 serious Incident Review Board is tentatively scheduled for the concurrence meeting on may 17th. Dgo 612 arrests of persons on parole or probation. Thats currently in stage two. Our, we received recommendations from dpa and our responses are due to them on the 21st of may, 614 psychological events. Excuse me. Evaluation of adults concurrence had concluded a while ago, but sb 43 was effective in january. And recently the department issued a Department Notice relating to sb 43. So were trying to incorporate that information into the dgo before we send the digital package to the commission. So its essentially in this place before the chief allows us to go ahead and send over that digital package. Dgo 701 juvenile policies and procedures. I know that ones been of interest to this body here, we did hold our first concurrence meeting on the 19th of april, and our concurrence deadline is in june. 0803. That went to a working group. That working group has concluded. Were trying to get this item posted uyghur 0803 the draft, for public posting this friday. So thatll be posted for 30 days. 906 vehicle tows. That is right now are posted for public. So we encourage members of the public and Department Members to go on to our website and review the document and submit comment if wanted. And 1011 body worn cameras. That is done again with concurrence. And we are blue foldering that as well. Next slide please. Quick update. We have some updates also with this one, so we are coming back to this body to propose the 2024 working group list. It does require full Commission Approval per dg 0301. We were initially scheduled to be heard, i think back in february, and then its been rescheduled a few times. I think now were actually scheduled for june. The presentation says may, but i believe its being pushed to june, so our working Group Coordinator that we have full time has solicited feedback from dpa related to the proposals that we were put in front of this body, and then we are proposing as a department, three working groups to take place in this year. And if approved by this body, we can hopefully start as soon as june. I know the presentation says may, but it looks like wed have to start it in june, it is. There is one that we are proposing that is already almost completely done with stage one. So this delay with the Commission Approval will impact the stage one. Stage two timing, but we have already done a lot of the legwork with seeking out Community Interest and stakeholders that are interested in participating as well. So i think were were pretty set to start that work, so thats all i had for the overview for the report, and i will take questions, i think after dpa does their presentation. Thanks. Thank you. President elias, i will be extremely brief. I started doing policy work full time for dpa the last two weeks of the First Quarter of 2024, so i will keep my comments extremely brief. Two things i wanted to note, from the dpa report that, were of interest, the crowd control working group, we did something a little bit different in dpa this year, we ran an internal working group that included, feedback from several of our several senior investigators and investigators with experience in crowd control, it was a wide variety of backgrounds, including former Law Enforcement officer whos actually a former British Police officer, two former journalists, one of whom was involved in several protests , and a former former federal investigator, we had some pretty robust discussion between in the group, so that really helped us iron out, our position on some recommendations as we brought those recommendations to the crowd control working group. And they were very well received. And, so i think moving forward, im going to continue to solicit, information from people within dpa and just try to lean on these subject Matter Experts that have been working in the field for a while, second item id like to present is on the pending general order on the use of social media, as commissioner yanez mentioned, weve met a few times and talked about the draft general order that the department has, we kind of broke down a list of questions we had, and we discussed them with a member of sfpds legal team, id like to thank our sfpd for making several subject Matter Experts available to discuss the draft. And my questions. So, in short time, i hope to get through some more, experts who utilize this Technology Every day and, come forward with some solid recommendations. And i have 50s left, so im going to stop there. President carter. Thank you, president elias. Im having some difficulty pulling it up, but, in its report, dpa linked to another report, which was, sfpds and dpas, i guess responses to dgos that have been whats the whats the new term that were using . Not its not languishing. Weve got a new term delayed to believe we used the word stalled. Stalled. Okay. The stalled dgos, wanted to ask about dgos 1. 061. 07. Concurrence was completed in may of last year, so its been a year since concurrence. Its been so with the chief. From the comments, it appears that theres more or less agreement on the language. Whats whats the holdup for those two . I believe with 106, 107 was one where the dpa requested a meeting with the chief after concurrence had closed, and there were comments that they provided, which i believe were minor in nature, and, we didnt receive any written directives. And the policy Development Division didnt receive the comments in order to incorporate them into the draft. Dgo so there was a kind of a stall between receiving the comments, and then once we receive the comments, we prepared it for blue folder, part of that routing is Labor Relations. Labor relations provided some comments, additional comments which now need to be incorporated. I do believe no, that isnt one that ive asked. I have submitted a memo to the chief where ive requested a few to be put on hold so we can concentrate on the work plan here, but i believe 106 107 is just waiting for additional edits, but its in the blue folder phase now. It was not in the blue folder phase until probably, i think february or march. It was put into the blue folder phase. Its waiting for additional edits. From whom, there were some concerns from Labor Relations about, about the two sentences that were. No, not about the new edits. It was about some of the edits that were not related to the comments that dpa had provided. And typically, does Labor Relations weigh in after concurrence . Thats correct. Theyve been added to the tracking sheet of dgos that go to the chief for signature, and dpa has recommended that sfpd submit an extension supported by good cause. Does sfpd intend to submit a request for an extension supported by good cause . So its currently in a phase that has a nondesignated timeline. So asking for an extension . Sure. I im hesitant to start adding or submitting any extension requests on a nondesignated timeline because it cant be duplicated and it would just be an arbitrary request that, again, if someone else was to take my place or to be an officer in charge, they wouldnt know why that extension request or what it tied to, i see. But to be clear, this new term nondesignated timeline is a polite word for a pretty radical interpretation of 3. 01 that did not exist until you took over pd. Correct . You said just now that they wouldnt know why theyd be requesting extension, but thats not true because they routinely requested extensions in such circumstances before the new this new this brand new interpretation of 3. 01 took hold. So, to be clear, dpa and sfpd and the Police Commission all used to agree on what 3. 01 required, its just this new change. So, so in the ordinary course, an extension request would have been submitted, but now this is one of the many. What is the term nondesignated timeline. Correct, where for now, the departments new interpretation is it has unlimited time. Chief, is this are you signing on to this new interpretation . Because you used to have a different view of what, 3. 01 meant . I dont disagree. Oh, im sorry, i dont disagree with the letter. Of what, steves manager, steves, is saying. However if your question is, is this timeline designated in a dgo . Its not. But we need to get the dgo completed. I mean, thats the bottom line. So you also agree that you have an unlimited amount of time, to hold things, post concurrence . No. At the chiefs desk. Well, thats the interpretation. So i want to just. Well, thats the interpretation that miss steves has adopted, and thats why shes not asking for an extension. So i just want to make. No, i dont agree with that. You dont agree with that . So then you do think that that an extension should be submitted. Is that right . A request for an extension . Im sorry. I think were talking as a matter of policy. I dont agree that we have an unlimited amount of time, but i do think that that needs to be buttoned up in this policy, which which were working on, were working on a revised draft of 3. 01. And thats thats great. But thats not what my question is about. So should a request for an extension of time be filed under your understanding of 3. 1 as its currently written, you used to think that the answer was yes, but now were not getting these extensions anymore. And instead were hearing actually the department can take as long as it likes, no, i dont believe thats exactly accurate because weve never run into this situation for this phase of the dgo development, for this phase, weve never had concurrence under 3. 01 before. No, no, thats all were talking about now. No concurrence has a timeline. Chief before. Okay. Just to back up for the public after concurrence. It technically it goes the dgo goes to the chiefs desk and the chief has to send the dgo to the commission. When 3. 01 was initially revised, the common understanding that everyone held was that this was a purely ministerial step, and that this should take a couple of days and basically existed for the chief to give it one more once over and to catch anything that maybe wasnt caught. Despite the exhaustive review the dgo had already gone through, it was never a time for a bunch of new substantive things to happen, and it was never a time for the dgo to just be held for at for a year. It would have been inconceivable at the. At the time, 3. 3. 1 was revised. If you ask the drafters at the table, nobody would say that it would have been appropriate for a dgo to be held for a year post concurrence. Certainly with no request for an extension, is do you disagree with that . You what is your whats your question, commissioner . I made a comment and im going to invite your reaction to it if you like. What is your question . Okay. Let me rephrase the question. The it would have been inconceivable double okay, that the drafters of 3. 01 would have envisioned that a draft dgo could sit on the chiefs desk for a year without sfpd asking for an extension of time. Is that true or not true in your view . If your question is if it would have been inconceivable. Did you used to believe that you would have had to ask for a request for an extension of time in this circumstance or not . No, because it didnt come up. I mean, i dont i dont recall the situation where this instance has come up post concurrence other than this particular case. So you just speaking for yourself, youre going to as youre sitting here today, youre going to represent that. Youre understanding of how 3. 01 works is not evolved in any way since it was recently overhauled. Commissioner, what is your question, your point . I that was a question that was a one sentence question just now. This issue came up because of this dgo. Mr. Steves interpretation is not wrong. And im not saying that the department gets the right to just indefinitely hold on to a dgo, but that is whats happening in this case. And we have covered that and said that we need to do better. So i mean, i dont understand what your question is. You made a statement without a question. No, the my last question was one sentence. I asked if your interpretation of 3. 01 has changed since since the overhaul , because it used to be we got extension requests in situations where were no longer receiving them, and instead were being told that we dont. The department no longer needs to send requests anymore for an extension that they can just take as long as theyd like. Well, thats not exactly accurate, that youre no longer receiving extension requests. I think were talking about in certain in many circumstances, we are no longer receiving requests for an extension during the situations where we previously did that, that, that that is thats not a true statement. Thats thats absolutely correct, i think. Okay. Okay. Hold on. Lets take it step by step one. Youve agreed that with respect to this dgo, a request, an extension request should have been asked for. It was not at this point, no. The chief did not say that. Well, he said that he didnt agree with miss steves interpretation. No, let the chief. Thats not what i heard. So just if what i said is her interpretation is not wrong, this situation did not come up before. Where post concurrence a dgo was in question about the timing of it. This is a unique situation, so i and we just asked for an extension last or two weeks ago. So i mean, youre saying a couple of things, but the fact of the matter is we still request extensions and you do still request extensions, but there are several situations now where you used to request them and now you dont because of this new innovative term weve heard tonight about nondesignated timelines. This is a new concept that never existed, that no one ever talked about before. And im saying now that whenever we run into a quote unquote nondesignated timeline, you dont ask for an extension request, whereas previously you would. Can i can i jump in . So when we took over, as you know, there have been extensive workshops and we did a bunch of Group Exercises going over the dgo, which hadnt been done before, and when we looked at and assessed the work that was going on before, we were not able to with extension letters that had gone out, tie it to a part of the dgo and part of my responsibilities. I have to train staff in order to train staff on a policy. I have to make it something that can be duplicated and standardize. And if i have a set of extension letters that have gone out that do not tie to any part of the dgo, it makes it challenging to duplicate that. So what we did is we looked at all of the timelines that are prescribed in dgo 301, and those are the ones that we are able to duplicate when it comes to requesting any kind of extension request. Unfortunately, in things that we have already pinned for, clean up for dgo 301 review is to provide a prescribed timeline for things like this. So if concurrence, the meetings and concurrence have to end in 40 days. We also want to put a timeline on the chiefs review that currently doesnt exist. The next step after that is theres a timeline on written directives for once we get the chiefs approval, but there is no current timeline between the end of concurrence and the chiefs approval. All i am trying to do with my team and this isnt a term that i created in a silo or by myself. This came out of almost a year of workshops with a team that is currently working on policy development. So all were trying to do is tie it to a document which is 301. It exists and create timelines that we can always ask for extension requests on. Okay. Do we have a timeline on this one. Can we can we just get a timeline on this one . We can get a timeline on this one, but do you think well have it . I can provide it to you after this meeting. After i talk to the executive sponsor. Okay, great. Why dont you do that last time i asked you about this, at the last sparks report, you said that prior to pds interpretation, everyone else had been misinterpreting 3. 01, does that include dpa . I dont believe i said everyone else has been misinterpreting 301. Well im paraphrasing, but that thats you know, youre youre saying you didnt say that. Im saying i do not think i ever said everyone else is misinterpreting 300. You said the folks who didnt adopt this nondesignated. Im saying based on the chronological and based on all of the written documents that i had to come into the it was clear that the timelines that were being put in writing from both dpa and on our side as well, did not tie to dgo 301. Okay, so they were not they were not faithful to 3. 01. In your view. Im saying based on all of the chronological, based on all of the emails that i had to go through, everything that i had to track in order to create a centralized tracking system, there were a lot of, direction that was coming from internal as well as external, where i couldnt find the tie and my team could not find a tie to 301 as it as it stands in 2022. So the way it was being done before was wrong. That thats what you said i couldnt find i couldnt find what the tie was. So dpa was wrong. The commission was wrong. The chief was wrong. Youre saying that . Im not saying that. Okay. Well, i guess ill just ask one last time. I just. And then ill. Ill spare everyone, chief, do you now agree with this new and inventive nondesignated timeline theory that gives the Police Department unlimited time to hold the dgo for any reason or no reason in the process . Yes or no . I dont agree with the Police Department having unlimited time. I mean, the way you phrased that question, im going to answer it. I mean, i dont agree with the Police Department. I dont believe that it was ever intended for in any bodys interpretation, for the Police Department to have unlimited time. This, this case that were talking about, this one, dgo was an anomaly. So no, i dont agree with the Police Department having an unlimited time. Yeah. Have you communicated that to pd . Yes. And theyre following that direction because it doesnt seem like they are from this update. Unlimited time. Yes. I think we are following that. Okay, okay. Commissioner yanez, you said one question. Thank you, president elias. For the record, there has been a new interpretation of 301. I wasnt here when 301 was written, but i think the spirit of 301 is for us to get these dgos sponsored, authored wordsmith and then approved by this body in conjunction in collaboration with the chief and your office, so that we have clarity moving forward. Right. And so it doesnt feel like the spirit of that dgo is still, guiding us, but i hope with the rewrite and the edits that president elias will introduce, this will no longer be a confusing issue. It wont. Thats why. Perfect. Thats why i love it when, president elias is assertive. Lets gavel this thing ahead, my only question is, social media dgo 2. 09, weve been working hard, we had separated those. There was only one social media dgo for a while in february of last year or march of last year. A dbi a bulletin or. Yeah, a bulletin was introduced that then led to the creation of an investigative social media dgo. But what started this was just the social media, personal use of social media, which i was expected. And ive been in conversation and dialog with you around, spearheading, improving, evolving, developing. But ive not heard anything from that since some point last year, and i dont see it reflected here. So i just want to know where that stands. So that has been, on hold and asked to be put on, not asked. Weve decided to put that on the 2025 annual list in our conversations with you and i, these are two very different issues. Dgo 209 is very different than the proposed dgo 621, which again, the bulletins again about investigation 209 is about members and members use of social media. When you and i last spoke, and i believe im not sure if Sergeant Youngblood was on that call, when we spoke, i think initially was slated in 2023 to go to a working group. And then when we talked, you didnt want that to go to a working group anymore and had decided that you wanted to actually work with the station captains and do a survey instead of 209. There was and then i believe you sent a follow up email with janelle. Janelle caywood, and got some her information about working with station captains to address getting messaging out to members of the public. So our last conversation, your concern actually wasnt necessarily about members and their conduct with social media. It was about how we get messages out to members of the public. So we discussed something completely different, which put 209 on the back burner. Well i have an email where i think i summarized that we wanted to do an internal working group for 209. We wanted to obtain feedback from captains and anyone that uses social media for personal or for department messaging to improve us. Our ability to capture feedback and to convey information to the community. That didnt mean that i did not want to be actively involved and engaged in continue doing, to evolve that social media. Dgo we still have incidents, filed with dpa around the personal use of social media, leading to problems. Sure. So i do not understand at what point or when i was supposed to be looped into this being pushed back to 2025. So we were awaiting your decision on whether you wanted to do a survey to district station captains. There was choices on the table, and you did not come back with a decision, did you . 0301 requires us to have an annual list and then also an annual working list that establishes our working plan, as there was no set decision with 209, and the focus was really 006 21 initially. Thats kind of it didnt really land on the 2024 priority list. Now certainly that doesnt mean it cant be initiated. It can then the chief still has and the Commission Still has an opportunity to initiate dgos. But in terms of getting the standard list that needs to be approved for the calendar year and based on the emails that you and i exchanged and the discussion we had, it sounded like you wanted to go through either a survey with district stations or to use the district station captains their distribution lists to get information from members of the public of how how they wanted to receive information. The last i saw again was an email to that you had sent to both me and janelle and asking janelle for her feedback. And then there was no there was nothing after that. So this can always be initiated again. But as terms of our 2024 work plan, because there wasnt a decision that we didnt land on, we havent moved forward with it. So just so that the public is aware, i believe i was very clear that i did want to engage in an internal working group, not an external working group. The way we engage community and ask for stakeholder feedback, i will pull that email up so that we could follow up, because i do not believe that it should be suspended until 2025. Chief, i would love to have your support on making sure that we address this. It is this all came out of the social media. Dg oh, and the investigative social media dg oh was a result of a Department Bulletin being put out. It was a bureau order or a bureau order being put out. It doesnt mean, though, that we put the social media on the back burner. That was never my social media was not on the back burner. 621 is the social media investigations youre talking about as conduct for members. So were talking about two different issues, and im not sure how they intertwine. Well, they intertwine because i was assigned to 209. Yeah. No, no okay. The chiefs going to give you a date. Its so for six. Oh 2209. Im sorry. 209, not to make a rash decision, but why dont we give you a date of when this can be turned around . Perfect. And were not going to be in 2025. Yes, i hope thank you. Thank you. You should have that to him by friday. Chief yes. Okay. Thank you. Those are my questions. Just let us know. Commissioner benedicto, thank you very much. I wont ask any questions. I think were mostly addressed by my fellow commissioners. And so i thank them for that. I do want to echo, you know, i think that to the department and the dpa have really made a much clearer format for the sparks report to continues to improve. So id like to thank both departments for that. And note that i think that i mentioned this before, that i think that the audit, presentations Going Forward should follow the same format. I think its very helpful to have both the department and dpa present at those, i do want to take a brief moment to just continue to express, the point that the Vice President was making, which is the frustration around this interpretation of undefined timelines. You know, a number of us on the commission, the Vice President , myself included, have expressed our our disagreement with that interpretation that thats been made in the public a number of times. Im grateful that the chief and president and that were working to ensure that revisions to 3. 1 remove that ambiguity, because i think it has been a cause, and that its at best a strained interpretation of 3. 1 and one that obviously theres disagreement on that. Wont you know, with no need to re to relitigate that. But im hopeful that it will be something that will be in the past soon. On those undefined timelines as, as just being potholes that slow down the trajectory of otherwise , moving forward, do move forward now much more quickly and efficiently than they have in years past, that thats a testament to policy, the policy development, the written directives team. But, you know, i think its incumbent on us as policy makers to identify where these potholes are occurring and filling them so they can continue to move more smoothly. And i look forward to seeing a version of 3. 01 that eliminates those obstacles. Thank you, chief. Oh, i forgot to take it off. Okay. Thank you sergeant. Members of the public would like to make Public Comment regarding line item ten. Please approach the podium. There is no Public Comment. Line item 11. Public comment on all matters pertaining to item 13 below. Closed session including Public Comment on item 12. A vote. Whether to hold item 13 in closed session. If youd like to make Public Comment regarding closed session, please approach the podium. And there is no Public Comment on line item 13 im sorry. Line item 12 vote on whether to hold item 13 closed session San Francisco administrative code section 67. 10 d action. Motion to go into closed session. Second on the motion. Commissioner benedicto how do you vote . Yes, Mister Benedict goes. Yes. Commissioner yanez. Yes, mr. Yanez is. Yes. Commissioner yee. Yes. Commissioner yee is yes. Vice president stone, i have to. Oh, were not going to have a quorum. Vice president carter, whats going on . The motion, yes. Mr. Is. Yes. And president elias. Yes president elias is. Yes. And a knife. Im our commissioners. We are back in open session on line. Item 14. Vote to elect. Whether to disclose any or all discussion. And item 13 held in closed session. San francisco administrative code section 67. 12, a action in motion to not disclose closed session with the exception of factual details that are not privileged and will be provided in the minutes. Second, for any member of the public who would like to make Public Comment regarding line item 14, please approach the podium seeing none on the motion. Commissioner benedicta, how do you vote . Yes, Mister Benedict goes. Yes, commissioner yanez. Commissioner janez is. Yes. Commissioner. Yee. Yes, commissioner. Yee is yes. And Vice President carter. Yes. Vice president. Robertson is. Yes. You have four yeses. Line item 15. Adjournment. The San Francisco music hall of fame is a living breathing world thats all encompassing about music. [music playing] it tries to do everything to create a music theme. Music themes dont really exist anymore. It is 7, the tour is two floors, inaudible so, each one of these frames that you see here, you canyou are and look into the story of that act, band, entertainment and their contributions to music. Affordability is what we are all about. Creative support. We are dedicated to the working musician. We are also dedicated to breaking some big big acts. We like to make the stories around here. Ultimately legends. So im linda im part owner and manager of the paper tree in jeopardy an town. Paper tree opened by my parent in 1968. So we other second oldest business in jap an town. At 55 years this year. We have beautiful papers from japan, thailand, italy, korea and the biggest selection of orgami. I do it because of my grand father and he wrote to the first english in it in the early 50s. He had an import business to import japanese goods and of course we had our line of paper. To go with the books he produced. It is something i have been doing since i was 5 and im happy to say im a designer now and of course having paper tree. It is grit. During the pandemic i wanted do something to make a statement to help combat the asian hate that was prevalent at that time. And so i put a call out to have a thousand hearts. This is a spin on the tradition of holding 1,000 cranes when you have a wish. Well, a thousand cranes does not make a statement enough why not change it and a call for a thousand hearts . I created a website dedicated to the project. A video and fold heart instructions. People sent them in the first mont was 1,000 hearts. They kept coming in. And the next goal was 7, 698, which was the total number of case of reported hate by the ap i website. Those were the reported case of hate. There are more not reported. That became the new goal. We achieved 2 months later. The hearts were coming in it it is a big project, we have it part of our store. Anyone can come and fold an easy heart. Keeping that part of the japanese tradition of this in that way here in japantown is pretty special. Its great. San francisco is a positive impact on my chinese business. Im the founder of joejoe. Im a San Francisco based chinese artist. I grew up in the bayview district. I am from china i started at an early age i started at age of 10 my grandfather my biggest inspiration. And i have followed with my traditional art teacher in china i host educational workshops at the museum and local library. And i also provide chinese writing in Public Middle School and that way i hold more people fall in love with the beautiful of our chinese calligraphy. It is a part of our heritage. And so we need to keep this culture alive. Hand writing is necessary field that needs to be preserved generation toieneration. This art form is fading away. But since covid i have been very dedicated to this art and i hope that my passions and serving this art form. There are many stores and Shopping Centers and companies that are interested in chinese cal iing ravi. I feel motivated to my passion for chinese calligraphy in todays world. So people can always enjoy the beauty of chinese calligraphy, from time to time i have a choice to traditional chinese calligraphy to make it more interesting. We do calligraphy on paper. I can do calligraphy different low. My inspiration is from nature and provide calligraphy that was popular style of persons time. I will invite to you check out my website or instagram. And there is some events and updated Upcoming Events that you can participate. Thank you all for being here with us today. And obviously a special thank you for wells fargo for hosting us here at 33 market