Transcripts For SFGTV Sheriff 20240703

Like to recognize lauren curry from the City Attorneys Office the City Attorney today and mr. Dan laurel the commission secretary. Call the roll call yoochl thank you, member afuhaamango will not be here. Vice president carrion. Present. Member nguyen will not be with us. Member palmer. Present. President soo. Present. Wechter, here. They are excused. Will you call the first item. Item one in memory. Informational item the board recognizes Los Angeles County department sherif Ryan Clinkunbroomer as 6 p. M. We also acknowledge the passing of senator Diane Feinstein well recognize the end of the meeting a little more about Deputy Sheriff Ryan Clinkunbroomer he was waiting at a stop light. Part of the Los Angeles County Sheriffs Department. And he was ambushed and shot. Interest loss of department or officer in the line of duty is tragic this seems more tragic we extend condolences to his family and the Los Angeles Sheriffs Department and the other members of our Law Enforcement family. He had also engaged a few days before. So. We send condolences. Any Public Comment . For members when would like to make Public Comment for item one. If you are present line up. Otherwise, for those remote call the number and use the code on your screen and follow the prompt to be added to the queue. There it is no Public Comment. Thank you. Next item. Item 2, adoption of minutes, action item. Review and approve the minutes from the sheriff Oversight Board regular meeting on september first of 2023 move to adopt. Second. Any Public Comments. Why for member when is would like to comment for item 2 lineup at the podium otherwise for those remote call the number and use the code on the screen. There is no Public Comment. Call for a vote member brookter. Aye. Vice president carrion. Aye. Member palmer. Aye. President soo. Aye. Member wechter. Aye. Motion passes the minutes from the regular meeting on september 1 of 23 meeting are adopted. Thank you. Next item on the agenda. Item 3 recruit am of Inspector General discussion and possible action. Dhr will update the applicants and the board will go to closed session to discuss the interview process. May we invite mr. Richie . Mr. Green if you would like to join. Good afternoon. Board members. Good afternoon yoochl already starting with questions. So. We have sent out additional supplemental request airs and received them and forwarded them to you and will discussion those in closed session later in the meeting. Thank you and reminder to everyone we do have the interview schedule for october 13 so this is next friday. And members indicate they would be there and so we look forward to the oral interview part. Any Public Comment . For members withhold like to comment for item 3 if you are present line up otherwise call the number and use the access code on the screen. Good afternoon. So you are the closed session [inaudible]. For [inaudible]. Yes. How long will be the closed session . We dont know hopefully i dont know may be an hour. Yea. We get it. Okay. Yea. [laughter]. Any further Public Comment . No. Thank you. So now i would like to move that we go into closed session. But do Public Comment. So do we have Public Comment on the board going to closed session . This will be item 4 Public Comment pertaining to item 5 the closed session for members like to comment pertaining to item 5, closed session if you are lineup otherwise call the number and use the code on the screen and follow the prompts to be added to the queue. Do a good job. Try. Just all right. Calling item 5. Closed session on Public Employee [inaudible] appointment hiring code 6710b. Discussion and possible action item. Inspector general poisons position by charter to head the office Inspector General. At this time we ask the public step outside while the board is in closed session for those remote well be in close the session on your screen. We will reopen and resume broadcast after [no audio] Board Members. Good to see you again. Always slotod friday before a 3 day weekend. I appreciate getting on before 4 p. M. I will not take 21 2 hours im marshall im chief of staff for Police Accountability and concluding our agsz on the statistics and providing the Progress Report this board and the new department. Where we left off on this slide where we are summarizing our support for this boards effort. What we have [inaudible] is a link to your website that has all our build out for the infrastructure of the new departments our invoice, work orders and information as timely as we get temperature the office base construction is manage in planning stages we are trying it convert a space to include Natural Light and increase security with reenforcement on the lookos the door to the office suite. What i am happy to report is we completed the work on the work station for that space. We built in 8 work stations there are 36 square feet a piece. They are designed all new furniture, with sit and stand desks. It took time to configure this space. You will see an odd shape. Has a lot of features to that pace like supports for the beams for the wall and electric monuments build in the floors that could not being moved. We upon went through i dozen configurations and maximized the space and it looks nice and inviting we hope to add some windows to that pace so we have Natural Light as well to make it as hospitable a work space as possible. That work order and pricing is all accessible through the link that is on the presentation slide now. The Case Management system, we will hopeful low be able to deliver to the board a fully functional and customizable Case Management system that has been designed for the sheriffs investigation and disciplinary work process. Off the Current System for sfpd word processes. As president you pointed out the last meeting we have been able to achieve that at a savings for the budget. Back in 2018, when the patriot venders built the sales force system for the dpa, it was around 400 thousand dollars to build this from scratch. You will see from the work order that is posted on the website, we are hopeful low going to achieve that 40 and 60 thousand by back upon the existing architecture of the system as well as leveraging the expertise this in house staff had developed around the Case Management system we have been spending months doing use our testing and and we are now in the migration phase for all of the data and component in the Case Management system. System will hopefully improve upon the Current System that dpa uses we are now able to link the case files to the Case Management system by utilizing a free Cloud Based Service the city and county subskroib to. No additional cost utilizing cloud space on microsoft cloud that we the city already has a license to. And we will be able to integrate case files in the Case Management system. Hopeful low that will all be something that we will provide a deliverable by the end of the year. Of course, we are continuing our core service on all investigations that we receive from the public from the Sheriffs Office and from other government agencies. Presented on the 2022 stats and the 2021 stats at the last meeting. We will continue to provide all Payroll Accounting and admin support for the board and until the new Sheriffs Department of Accountability Office of Inspector General is stood up. Want to acknowledge and thank the finance team and tech team at dpa who have really doing double duty and your secretary mr. Young who has had an outside role in the budgeting process that a board secretary would not have. I mentioned the last meeting, we have also started the beginning of the year reporting on sheriff investigative stats on our website and all of those reports are available on the link that is posted up here. We are hopeful and it is my belief reporting needs to improve and evolve and im hopeful at some point well be able to move away from monthly properties and get all of the data into role time dash boards. Where this board and the public will able to look at all of the numbers updated hopeful low daily. But for now, we are operating monthly reports that will continue to be updated on this link. Im happy to also share with the board onof our investigations this year identified a training gap between with the interactions of Sheriff Deputies and the inmates that they super vise. They recognize third degree in our case reports. That was submitted to her she immediately ordered this training be developed to fill this gapful many members of our team attended the last core training and the Behavioral Health raining put on by the Sheriffs Office. The day and a half training we thought was good that really educated the audience about the different Mental Health issues that inmates suffer. Plight that that they are in to hopefully develop a compassionate approach and providing them with many of the tools to be able to identify many of the signs of mental ill ness and how to de~esque lit and engage in the situations with minimal or no force. We were pleased seat historys office it integrated this new train nothing their core training. Our staff submitted the Budget Proposal for the oig. As with many departments there were budget cuts but important low we survey and memory yellize the critical needs to stand up an inspect department. Thats you will have that as an evaluation for some of the things that the department would need. Notablely, as i mentioned before, nothing was budget in the for anybody to provide clerical support front desk medicaling accident. Budget analytics, budget officer. Technical advisor and missing there is no real estate budget in the budget. So. For the time being, the dpa will be able to house the o ip no cost to the budget. But in the future, if the desire is to develop the as a completely separate office and operate physical pace there will be a need to create the real estate budget. As well. We as you are aware upon launched an online portal. To allow complaintants to electronically submit complaints about both the members of the Police Department and the San Francisco Sheriffs Office. We are building a new portal specifically for the Sheriffs Office that will communicate directly with the new Case Management system through application programming interfaces so well is seamless connections. Through and through. From the electronic complaints through management the case electronically throughout Case Management system. We also had discussed with the sheriff legal the idea of putting a link or an app on the tablets the inmates have in custody to be able to lodge their complaints directly through the portal as well. Tell increase accessibility and increase the speed in which we receive the information and of course, tell allow us to tabulate the data more accurately by creating data points that need to be filled out rather than we receive forms that have a lot of missing information. It also reduce the amount of time from an inmates mailing a physical form to the dpa will be instant. We cant require everybody to ewize the electronic portal. But hopeful low it am increase the process and provide this board and the public more accurate information. I have a question regarding online portal. Is well going to be a Self Service Kiosk where people can use the computer to up load if they dont have access to the internet or not able to. And the second question is, how accessible is the portal of the phone. A lot use their phone now to submit everything. Really. So how would this work great question. As i had mentioned in our december presentation, there is a hope at some point, requires a lot of funding and resource, a hope that at some point we could partner with the board to strategicly place kiosks at locations for individual this is minot have a phone or a computer. To Lodge Complaints electronically. And the link to the electronic portal can be accessed by phone, tablet or any Device Connect to the internet t. Is accessible through a variety of different electronic ways. Thank you. I have several questions. Diagram shoes work stations for 8 employees when is the total number of employees they will have . It is hard at this point to predict wha the budget will support. But the oig by the statute or the where are the other employees other than those 8. . Now going to be situated . Now there is in the a budget to hire 8. So i think it is adequate for the time being but that is all the Additional Space we will able to spare without any cost. At some point if the department grows we will have to tackle where or where to place the folks. Would the Inspector General [inaudible] the work stations that would be the discretion of the ig well probably post some Additional Space within the dta. But if the ig wishes to sit with the investigators, the ordinance itself provides that there is one investigator for every handled deputies. We estimate that would be 67 investigators. Um when do the statistics public low post on your website starting january. When will the first 6 months of 23 be posted . I think they are already there if i recall, i think januaryjuly are posted we are working on financializing august and assessment. But i think january through july are there. On the location chart, it lists on the graph. Cj low and lists break down for pods 2a, 4a, 4b and safety cell does this indicate there were no complaints from pods other than those . Are you referring to the slides on the about to get to . Investigative locations. Im always going to cover that. Okay. In an in a moment. Currently the ig has 7 . Positions . Im sorry. 6 or 7 investigative positions budgeted jot form well from the statute of 1 of 100 and there is somewhere between 6 and 700 deputies on staff now. So between 6 and 7 if more deputies on boarded and cross 8 huh human we valid 8 what other positions if any for the ig budgeted for current fiscal year . There is not much else budgeted for this current fiscal year razz you are aware during the budgeting process much the budget the positions exists the budget was cut based on attrition. Is there a budget for administrative staff i dont think there is an and position this has been established for an administrative staff, that was one of the resource deficiencies we pointed out in the Budget Proposal. Once the ig is hired and set up what will your be . To support as the ig may need. Will you remain an employee . For the time being, yes. Do you expect to seek a position at the oig member. We are veering past when we need to focus on now. I would prefer like you to answer the question, please. Joy would ask, no , i think this is going to personnel issues and no one is entitled to this information. Second of all this , is beyond the scope what the presentation is. I dont see why mr. Kline here is subjected this inappropriate line of questionying. I think it is important for us to focus now. Budget has been cut because we were behind the 8 ballot budget i want to acknowledge Nicole Armstrong and mr. Klein for cobbling a budget together and having our secretary to present that. We had enough cut specials we are trying to preserve as much budget we want. The future i fwshgs to be successful. Im grateful that we are already have this layout of effort to make sure that some of the transition is firly seamless. Because i expressed on the public before i expect the transification period to be a year. Some of the hiring investigator fist they silv service may take a year to hire. And reminding of the limits once a complaint we cant suddenly cut off this because there are time limits to address the complaints i dont want anything to fall through the cracks. Investigation has to be completed within a year and our target is shorter than that. I quickly wanted note that all Board Members have this budget principle we have gone through it should then and there information i believe this happened during your presidency in wechter you should have this Information Available to you yes. And hopeful low all the efforts we have the work stations built. The Case Management system built. Tell allow the ig to save a year in getting the infrastructure up and run to be operational if i can Sexual Harassment can we hold questions until he gets throughout presentation as well. Thank you. Thank you. We also actively garthing and obtaining tools to assist with the investigations. We want to thank the Sheriffs Office for providing us access to the body camera footage through the native platform. Previously, and many jurisdictions operate with simply media files that are shared with them. Rather than the ability to utilize the native platform that was a concern excessed by the Oversight Department they got evidence dom and makes a big difference the to thes allow to view the way they should be and synchronize video frames to view all together rather then and there each one operately and gives access to the audit trail we know who has access to increasing the security of the files. And then lastly, in terms of the brief Progress Report for the board were in negotiating areas for oversight. We are in discussions now. Update the letter of agreement include other [inaudible] involving deputies and under bill 481, which started left year, the Sheriffs Department have to create a military equipment use policy. And that has an inspect oversight component. And we are in the process of hopeful low final iegz the negotiationos that and will creating an additional area that we will provide investigate and i have review services. The next 4 slides we created following the september meeting in response to the questions from the board. This slide represents the demographics of deputies investigate from the poof case close in the 2022. We are still pondering when value this informs us about. But if there is take aways, the most frequent age of deputy in this pool is 3039. Asian deputies make up the largest pool of race in the and 95 male. Again thshg is something that was or in the letter of agreement we would report on and was raised the last Board Meeting were evaluating what value this has in informing the board and the public. We also intentionally separated the demographics from the rank. To be mindsful about confidentiality when we put too much identifying information together, it creates issues with the confidentiality that we all have to abide by. So, come as no surprise the largest pool of rank is with the deputies they have the highest indebts of complaints and highest incidents of sustained allegations. This next slide simple low represents the location the only for the 2022 cases that were closed following investigation. The location where there is the greatest frequency of reports come from cj3. And the pie chart breaks down where within cj3 the most complaints came from the intakes. Area followed by the safety. Again, these are just members for this board to decide what value this offers. It potentially with large are numbers may give an indicator of a potential hot spot these numbers are too small to make that extrapulation. The last inquiry of of dpa was what we thought was the best idea that we have heard related how to view or stats. Vice president carrion suggested we look at the work shifts and over time of to see whether or not there was correlation with the frequency of complaints and sustained allegations. The theory being that long hours special long shifts lead to potential low exhaust union frustration and more complainted. We went become trying to develop how to harvest this data i will share this is a work in progress. This is far from enough information to draw conconclusions. The numbers we have now are too mall to be significant of but i think it is an important area to explore. We had a conversation with the internal affairs unit and sheriffs legal and they agree this is a worthy under taking. Right now, you can see the spread of where in a shift from the beginning of the shift to somewhere mid shift to the end of shift to over time. We see just an up and down terms of the complaints and sustained allegations. So. Really dont have enough or complete data to draw any interference here what other change in collect the data. We want to thank internal affairs for under taking a lot of the heavy lifting in this project. When we learn friday them the work shifts are storeod paper in scylloed locations. And hand written so we were unable to extrapulate from it. Completely going back to 2022 records. To develop this full etch on the right side of the slide is just a sampling of how we upon tried to categorize the information. What we want to do is delve deeper in what were the shifts that deputy may have worked that week or a few days preceding that. We are changing our processes as well to include that in our interview scripts as well as our member response forms. Over time we will garth more data to either support that theory or not support it. That is a work in progress and thank this board for coming up with a good idea. And that completes our presentation. Open for questions. I wanted note that one of the things that i think is important for the public the public is this the sheriff has pledged 30 by 30 initiative, which is an initiative in the United States and canada by other Law Enforcement official and research exerts nonprofits that by the end of 2030, 30 of the police or sheriff Law Enforcement recruiting class is 30 . I want today let the public know. There are steps made to diversify our diverse staff pool. I want top make another comment before we have questions in that we are a quasi judicial body we dont do the investigations members if you have been on a visit and someone talks about a concern are complaint refer this person to dpa we dont want to compromise identity personnel issues that gotta go through a process. And if we compromising that, we dont have the complaint that is the core we want to investigate. I want to make sure everyone beds that. We are quasi judicial body it is important there are fire walls. An upon independent complaint and dont jeopardize the identity of the complaintant and does in the want to be revealed in any way. To the public, just so you know we try to preserve privacy always unless someone is coming public low on their own we dont release information. That extends to family and friend who is want to file complaintos behalf of a bhorn is in the custody or otherwise affected by the criminal Justice System thank you. And the reason why i share the informational lit are tour so have you that and we can provide additional copies for the Board Members when interacting with anyone with a complaint that should provide clear instructions on how to file their complaint. Do we have questions. Mr. Palmer. One question. You talked about putting the appeal process on [inaudible] those that are in custody. How are you going coensure [inaudible] are functioning the app is functioning and that the thez are in custody have access to the [inaudible]. Thats going to be work in progress project with the Sheriffs Office. Sheriff on his march third presentation to the board indicated desire to put the tablets in the hands of every inmate in the jail. So, if that tablet makes its way and available to everyone in jill we hope that will increase accessibility to make the online complaints. We will not be ail to proVice President Technical Support to the hardware the Sheriffs Office provides. Miami current tablets are not in hands of every person in custody. And even when they are in the hands of those in custody, the let is disabled so they cant use it now. What is the office going to do to make sure to guarantee w what inspections and audits. What the sheriff may say may not translate what the deputies allow to happen in those jails. How will you know that the people in custody have access to that appom that tablet to make sure they have grievances go directly to the office . I think that might be a great solution may be survey of individuals in jail or upon im audit has specific requirement and it is a very heavy under taking to conduct an audit usually performed by Controllers Office we have one in house auditor and he is busy already with sfpd audits. Im not sure we will have that capacity but that is one of the reasons why we suggest today is important to have a data analyst on the staff with the Sheriffs Department account act. The years of experience is that information you garth and include. The information regards to drafk system not information we have access. We went to the Sheriffs Office and they were good enough to garth that to present it to the fwhoord is based on your question from the left meet nothing terms of the information we would have direct acstoesz, it is the information contained in our investigative case files and information that shared from the Sheriffs Office this is one we may have to request specific low if it is information this is value to the board. We had a list by deaf appointment we could determine how much years of service they had with the sfpd we are operating under the charter. Which forwards to dpa information required provide to the dpa. Which gives different access to information than where we are operate nothing our letter of agreement. And then i want to say i think moving forward thank you for this. An ig coming in has to r. Up and handle the complaints so i think we talked about this in the past focusing on priority and whatever reports and presentations. So. We will get this later on but i would like the members to forward their 5 Top Priorities to dan and remember to do that. We talked about this in the exclusive really it is moving forward to have a real time complaint process. When we talked about is roadwaying to get the ip system for Sheriffs Office to pool report and not all on paper. And also that any present anticipations we doment from the Sheriffs Office directly should be requested through dan and me and we go through chief ju to be able to pull the correct people and make sure there are proper personnel. When i dont want to happen is we cannot intrefr with daily prescriptions of the Sheriffs Office we have to be mindful of requests and the availability. Thank you. Thank you. Have a nice weekend. Any Public Comment on this report and for members of public when would like to comment for item 7 if you are present lineup. Otherwise call the number and use the access code on your screen. Im not sure i understands the goal of dps what they are trying it achieve. Because also that they prove that it is imperative or prove it is reliable . Who is controlled the because the system is so messed up. Upon who control who . Who pulse the strings. We near trouble here. We have to understand the goal of this exactly. I dont get t. Did not mention a goal. Talk about money. What is the end goal . To improve the system or to just stay as it it is kind of with [inaudible]. We have [inaudible] you have to understand. We have to raise our consciousness so otherwise thats it. Sorry about that. Thats my absolute beyond belief. Thank you. There are no perking callers. Before we move to the next item can we take a 5 minute biobreak sure. We will be on a break line item 8. San Francisco Charter section 4. 137 discussion on and terrible changes to the sf charter 4. 137. As keep have seen the language of the charter constrained us with candidates we are past the march ballot date. You know with a Charter Amendment that went through the voters we to bring it back if we want changes. I actually was in discussion with both our assigned City Attorney and her supervisor. We are talking about define when we meant by Law Enforcement and Inspector General or personal not working for an agency or a Labor Organization reporting Law Enforcement we narrowed this down to get more candidates and made sense and the other part what do we call ourselves. I will let blue angels. Over here. So. We had issues with the Mayors Office. We are referred to a Sheriffs Department of ash counsel at in the budget i say follow the money we are constrained back with the charter. I go through language and even nuance. I think the way we are named now and we are no longer Sheriff Department when the sheriff took office he wanted to distinguish himself elect today is the Sheriffs Office. Other part is do we want to mirror the d. Police account at it denote to the public it is separate but named now it sounds like we are an arm on the sheriff to get more minutiae about warding if police sound plural and sheriff is the one individual. My investigation the department of sheriff and personnel ash counselability. Because we do review the entire office and not just the sworn officers that is manage im throwing out and fwlad to have council for the Sheriffs Office to absorb and want top make sure we have this discussion and before you continue, the time right for november if we get to the ballot office. So i wanted have i robust discussion now. You know that even with the things we have done the Mission Statement did take time. I wanted nut out now and i suspect we refind it more. Then will need to go through the City Attorneys Office. The other thing i noticed is sometimes it was inconsistent when using the acronym the article, the and sometimes not. I would like to be consistent. So. I have a question about the process, right . We would have to kind of harsh through the changes proposed from the board in order to ghet on the November Ballot . Correct. What would this electric like in terms of a sometime line and how would it function. Why i can once i once we if we decide to move forward exit think it is crucial we do. We would work with jana clark and john and we would clarify the language they would look for a board of supervisors sponsor and we would get supervisors to put it on the ballot t. Is a clean up than recreating something but you know it is unfortunate sometime when is it goes to the ballot and there are changes and any little change to put a comma require it going back to the voters. It would be a technical bill. Clean up bill. Yea. And also you know may be more than just technical if we define when we money by Law Enforcement agency. I think when most voters voted they think in lipersons term its is police and sheriff. And not federal office of Inspector General or secret service. In my position im not considered necessary low Law Enforcement but i do work with Law Enforcement. We can see how jumbled the definitions work of an attorneyor investigator would be. Okay that makes sense to me. I request i dont think we need a motion for this but im not sure if this is necessary i request you work with our City Attorneys Office to be able to appropriate a draft to come back to us to review and further discussion. A motion. I will make that motion. I will second this. Discussion on this. So i would like us to include line this is in the charter regarding the department of Police Accountability. Which bars any member from staff from been a uniformed mfbt Sheriffs Office or employee or Labor Organization representing Law Enforcement employees. I would like to see revision to the training requirement the intention when written when barbara and i looked at it was for nacole. The Public Defenders Office and borrow association to play an active role in training. I would like to see something saying, 180 days assuming office each board member receive 20 hours of training on constitutional policing. Civil yen oversight practices and prince pels. Law enforcement and Sheriffs Office policies and procedures. The ig and the sheriff shall Work Together to develop the curriculum arbitrating based on guide lines recommended by the association civilian oversight the Bar Association of San Francisco and the San Francisco Public Defenders Office training by the appropriate experts determined by content. That was recommended by an oversight expert i reached out to several to see the suggestions that was written 3 years ago the field advanced since then. Other offices established. Another suggestion we Board Limited to 2 suggestive terms feeling 8 year system sufficient and you typeset get now people on board and commissions like this rather than the same people on for a lengthy period. So. My suggestions. Why dont we do this those i think this is grit you have suggestions for the language but that is a lot of information i dont know if i could have taken that down. May be every board member provide submit them to dan your suggestions so that way those are being taken in consideration when woo working on this draft to them present. Yes. When i will do as what i have with other document in thes past do word smithing and submit raw comments as is to jana clark. We will Work Together and have her make presentation as we evolve in terms of language. So as all of you recall, it took a long time to get the training we were slated have 80 hours of training. We got 20 in a compressed time. And a year and a half ago. But also takes personnel and budget. This is another issue, too. What would be the time line that everyone so we all have like a time line to give to you comments or give to them. So this way everyone has an opportunity to you know prepare contributions for consideration . 6 weeks and this is october so hopefully december i can ask jana to have a presentation and we have ample time. I dont have a calendar in front of mow when we need to get we are now it was march. And november. Would it be safe to say end of next meeting . 2 weeks before and 2 weeks to give comments. I was looking at the calendar to get manage on the march ballot the deadline was in assessment. It is a sick month r. Up time. And at the same time we can reach out to supervisors or ask jana. Lauren, do you have any anything to add . That sounds great. All right. 2 weeks from now is october 20. Would that be sufficient time for Board Members i know we dont have 2 members men then if you can. Joy was thinking later and even into im traveling i was going to say may be by thanks giving and 2 poke in november. The earlier the better. But at the latest the second week of november to get the comments and then we will ask januarya to do a presentation in the december meeting. Great. Our next meeting is november third. So why dont we say by november third . All right. Does this sound good to everybody that gives enoughly way so our commissioners were not here today and gives you know commissioner wechter an opportunity to memorialize his suggestions are. Does this sound good . Yep. Do we have Public Comment on this before the vote . More members of the public for item 8 if you are present lineup otherwise call the number and use the access code on your screen. No Public Comment. Well take. Lets go for the vote on the notion to work with the City Attorney for a revised language. Member brookter. Why aye. Vice president carrion. Aye. Member palmer. Aye. President soo. Aye. Member wechter. Aye. The motion passes. Calling line item 9. Nacoleth ethics remove previous item from the tibl for a vote on adopting the nacole national associating for civilian Law Enforcement code. I like to make a motion to remove this from the agenda. I was starting to make a motion that we remove this from the table. Great. Great yoochlt lets if there is no objection lets remove it. All right. I med a motion to remove it from the table to vote on it. Well, im sorry Vice President carrion had aing motion already. My motion is to remove it from the agenda. Is there a second. Why is that. I will second. I can make my motion i dont mead to explain it. Well is a second. Why you want to remove it from the table so we cant remove it. I than we have discussed this item. And ad nauseam. It has been repeatedly on agendas. We have discussed some of the issues with the nacole potential low conflicts of interests on the board and discussed some of the substantive problems with the Incorrect Information and the writing of the nacole. I am not appropriated nor do i believe this continue waisting time on i matter that has been addressed so many times we are looking at the same document. No improvements to the document. We have i board member of nacole, the actual ethics has Incorrect Information about our department. About who the signod to it. No effort to correct that. And it is in the full sentence. I mean it is poorly written and as president wechter you mentioned 3 years it a long time ago this was written how long ago . You indicated that the oversight positions have drastically changed. I dont think that at this point when is before us men if you can go back to nacole and get a better coved ethdices this would be great. At this time im not interested in entertaining another conversation that wasted time of all of not only our personal time and our professional time but all of the city staff time. This we have all the individuals here that are taking time to discuss something this we have discussed repeatedly. This is not does not make sense for us to keep wasting time. Can we focus when we are charged on doing . We never had an opportunity to vote yes or mow to adopt the nacole code of ethics. What is it did b this this is incorrect . Which of the elements of the code of ethics do you object to. The list of agencies adopt today are not part of coved ethic this is is morely a list of agencies that nacole is aware have adopted that is incorrect. Over the last 3 years sincelet may of 2020 nacole has spent thousands of hours consulting with communities around the country that come to for advice and expertise on stake over site. They are separate the lives agency this is adopt side not part of the code of ethics we would vote morely on the code of ethics itself not the list of agencies that have adopted. I believe you have been asking our Commission Pay for nacole events . No. Im surprised have you not voltoryed do training since are an expert on this. I dont understand we would not use our resources i answered your questions. I would happen to train for multiple boards and commissions around the country through nacole through the Police Commission in madison, wisconsin. I would be happy to do this and have an interactive exercise follow board will reserve the time i doll this free. I med the board aware of Training Opportunity from nacole and elsewhere and when dan was putting together a budget he asked me about budgets for nacole webinars i received no compensation for my service. It is completely volunteer board. I want the board to be aware of any opportunity to expand or understanding of the field of oversight and constitutional policing. I will take in a different direction of so. First i dont think the document is well written. I my ethics are to the city of San Francisco. Im all a member of the california bar. So, i feel like those are my ethical obligations we are not members of nacole if there are changes we dont have a say in the language. I note most important low in the 2015 listing you have the San Francisco office of citizen complaints no longer the office of citizen complaints. And i dont see that the department of Police Accountability has signod. And i respect upon the w this is coming out of the department of Police Accountability and member wechter you med youran mus toward this department known. It is here endous after all the work they have begin and they adhere to the code of the city and the state bar. And they also received a number of, wards and i wanted to recognize you never let us talk about the award this was dpa gotten been given and honors that they cell news report desparaging our body and members individually. I want to gnaw on the record out there and if the public want to when is going on, to tune in to our meetings directly to look at the actual proceedings rather than having something plant in the questionable publication. As i said before i think the personal attacks are not useful. They dont advance our mission. You did make a specific allegation i have distain for the department of Police Accountability. Untrue i worked with the Police Accountability. And work and have special as an investigator. He supervisors the unit that investigates complaints against the Sheriffs Department i workmen of investigators i have no qualm with the agency my qualm is with pull henderson. That was your interception i never felt pressure from Paul Henderson or anybody. [members arguing] called members of board. You need to stay on the topic of the agenda. Yea. You made an allegation against me and im explaining my feelings. Called me and said i dont think you have time to search for an Inspector General. I thought that was inpresent and object to the fact when his agency hires noncivil Service Positions they dont follow the best practice. Okay. So we will call the City Attorney advice and cut off this discussion right now. I think it inappropriate. And thats where one individual interception of a thing. We discuss third degree in the board openly and we said this before. No one was against using a recruiting firm the problem was youune let irrelevant went out to a recruiting firm and hr referred and we asked them to look in recruiting firm. It made it. We made it look like that one you had med it electric like the process was tainted. Thats why we decided weed go and thank you very much for the hours i spent having helping to draft and president wechter you were president you had time to do this. And input and everything seems to be after people have already done the w and the criticism. We are here to act as a board. We cant have discussion on things we had over. We had a time line. I drafted one it keep us on track that was i think a request of member afuhaamango. We tried to we are on the time line xu make these comments like had we hired a firm we would had things done in 16 week list is no guarantee. It was an exercise for all of us to gone through and come up with questions w with dhr i have confidence in the press we went through. But i dont have confidence in adopting another code of ethics im willing to take it to i think there was a motion. You second. Im ready to take this to a vote no more discussion. Any more discussion i want to say for the record i have never pressured by Paul Henderson or anyone from the department of Police Accountability that has not been my experienceful i am not here i dont i can i wanted to dispel this this is disparaging to our partner and apologize to director henderson who will see this this was unwarranted. No other discussion first members who would like to comment for item 9 if you are present line up. Otherwise, call the number and use the access code on your screen and follow the properties to be added to the queue. Mr. Field. Yes. Dont mess with ethics should not be centralized. [inaudible]. Thats the point. Because it each city even though ethics, yes, im not misdemeanor. It thats the problem. Thats it. Why thank you. We restate the motion again. Motion to take this off the agenda. Item 9 off the agenda. Nacole code of ethics and it was second by president soo. Correct. Now president line item vote for 11. Member brookter. Aye Vice President carrion. Aye member palmer. Aye. President soo. Aye. Member wechter. No. No the motion passes by majority vote. Next item. Item 10. Future agenda items discussion and action item. So in the past we talked about priority and is have been given the presentation we talked about health. As a priority in our prison. So this is something this we will have to go through with d. Public health. I will ask chief ju. In the meantime, i would like each member to forward 5 proprietary members and send it to dan and i am also going to be in the process of coming up with the calendar for the next annual cycle and to make sure weave get the reports and any budget changes. So we keep on track. Send those 5 items to dan. I would appreciate it. By when . As soon as possible not later than the next meeting. Id like to at least have a rough draft of a calendar and chief requests we have give him 3 weeks notice if certain report and presentations need to go through upon departments we can have a full report. I think this is good. Can i ask is the goal may be take a look at common trends and threads we see to say, everyone submitted 5 these other top 3 that are consistent. Why i want it make sure it is clear. We will discuss it before i put it on a calendar that is why sooner rather than later we have a seamless report each month. Thing is it make it so that it is informative to the incoming ig and not having reports for the sake. Suggest a dealt of october 27 a week before the november third date of a friday would that give you sufficient time so there is no confusion . As to when people should send. Noted if you dont send the priorities it hampers the ability of this board to be moving forward. If you dont send priors dont come to the meetoth next week and say these are my priorities but you dont sends it. So issue sends it. Thank you. I have a [inaudible]. And i want to remind thefrn we have been invited by chief carter to anticipate in safe and flu that community and that will take place cj3 the jail member 3 in san bruno all day event on either october 14 a saturday or october 15th if im correct. Dan. A sunday that is at san bruno jail. Today is the deadline and you can register on the link that dan forwarded and then you can choose the date and let out of courtesy let chief carter know you will attend and which day. I will check in with member afuhaamango so she remembers and i think that member palmer you are our mode why person and history yen as you take photos to document our public appearances. And so finally i guess we nothing else. Public comment. Yes. Public comment on future agenda items. For members who would like to comment for item 10 if you are present line up. Otherwise call the number and use the code appearing on the screen and follow the prompts. No Public Comment. I want to echo another thing. I will have a moting and hopeful low a presentation by the under history before she retires. If you want to know in terms of process. When there are complaints what happens when than i get referred back to the Sheriffs Office. General procedural things. Reminds the board that we are not going to discuss detail. And identity of personnel or the person that complains. Next item. 11, general Public Comment. Public is welcome today address the board for 2 minuteos item this is dont appear on the agenda but in the subjection jurisdiction of the sheriffs Oversight Board. North personnel or Board Members are required respond to questions by the public but may provide a brief response. General Public Comment for item this is did in the appear on tonights agenda. Those present lineup. Frz those who are not call the number and use the access code on your screen. Mr. Field. Yes. I was surprised it see my name am o. Report from the [inaudible]. I dont remember giving my name last time. I saw something. The rest is difficult if i guess the transcript was my accent. But i never tell the mayor to push the [inaudible]. And critical thinking. It is responsibility. Because, otherwise, i mean that is it. Everybody understands when responsibility is about. Why it is clear. It is not happening. So the other friday 2 weeks ago i went to the Mayors Office to ask is the mayor okay . I want to make sure i dont see trace of the concept responsibility on critical being in the city. Is the mayor okay . Okay. Now i want to be nice and it is tough times. Who protects the sheriff . You . Protect the sheriff . Because when protects you . So thats why we need to Work Together here. Otherwise there is no may it is a mess. There is no future here, guys. For nobody. Because well is this pressure on us start looking for happiness, no way. Work for [inaudible] we dont want to be [inaudible] you have to really pay attention, you work and try to get rid of the emotional disorder we are in because it upsets the intelligence. And if it affects our intelligence it affects our consciousness. Which means were lead to a [inaudible] discussion thats when we are facing. Technology is part television. Intelligence walks with emotion and Technology Today works with mechanics. Against a machine. Thats why we are trapped. Technology is our enemy. We have to redefine technology. Thats the future. The sheriff, i dont know, look, the sheriff takes care of the government government serves the people happiness of everybody according to this we dont want to become stupid because we are the [inaudible]. And the [inaudible] there is people staying around. Okay. Thank you. No other Public Comment . The next item is adjourn would like to adjourn in memory of Diane Feinstein. Shell always be mayor feinstein grew up with her when she was supervisor. She took the city through hard time and is follow her example she is able to work with everybody and this time we see our city, our country the world even more divisive it is good to remember to work with everyone and stop putting labels on people. And consensus is in the a bad word. Compromise is in the a bad word. I will say off shoot a little. There are bad c words compromise and consensus are not. And just my condolenses and gratitude to her immediate family. Being a Public Service means you share yourself with everybody and often time there is is less least aim of time for your family. Deepest condolenses to retired judge catherine feinsteinful senator feinsteins granddaughter and her soninlaw. Congratulations on your first meeting and running your first meeting. We have an hour and 10 minutes. So thank you. Calling 12 adjournment. All in favor . Aye. Meeting is adjourned at 3 52 p. M. [door opening] okay, kids. Our next guest speaker for career day is the sheriff from San Francisco. Hi, everyone. Does anybody know what a deputy does . They involve the law. You know what, let me show you what it takes to be a deputy. [ music ] at the San Francisco Sheriffs Office, were looking for a few good deputies. [ music ] we need people who arent afraid to push themselves. [ music ] who are willing to go the distance. [ music ] men and women who is up for a challenge. Who love it as much as we do. [foreign language] youll probably drink coffee with us. [foreign language] keeping it real, this job is challenging. When one door closes we make sure another one opens. We protect San Francisco courts. Court is now in session. [gavel] helping justice to be serve. During election season, we make sure every vote is counted. We wet people where they we get people to where they need to go. And forward our citys hospitals. Its important we can keep you safe. Whether youre celebrating your quinceanera or getting married congratulations well stand up for you so your voices can be heard. Protecting your First Amendment rights. [cheers and applause] indiscernible in uniform. [cheers and applause] go warriors we train hard to get to where we are. [ music ] [whistle] we offer a competitive salary. [ music ] and average of more than 100,000 a year to start. indiscernible . Including great medical coverage. And a pension you can actually retire on. [foreign language] this folds really good. Were looking for those who think outside the box. And people who want to save lives. [ music ] for people who want to change lives. For those who want to serve our city. We need you. Were committed. You bring something to our team that no one else can. You all right. Now, who wants to be a deputy . [ music ] [laughter] three, two one. Top notch benefits. Is that too much. [laughter] no. Say your line, sheriff. Your line, sheriff. [laughter] let me show you what it takes to be action. When one door closes [laughter] what did you say . [ music ] nicaraguans for your incredible performance. Muchas gracias. Please, everyone, find your seats. Please help us welcome mary travers allen, who will provide this evenings land acknowledgment