Transcripts For SFGTV BOS Govt Audits And Oversight Committee 20240711

Hi, corwin so nice to hear your hi, corwin smaings . Aings oorsmirs missours nevada dance peerng. Welcome to the thursday november 5th meeting of the government audits and oversight. Supervisor gor gordthank you tos committees clerk, john carroll carol, and i would like to thank sfgov tv for staffing this meeting. In order to protect the Board Members and public, the board of supervisors legislative chamber and Committee Room are closed. This precaution is taken to all state and federal orders and declarations and directives. Committee members will be participating in this meeting to the same extent as if they were physically present in our board chamber. Public comment will be available for each item on this agenda. Both San Francisco cable channel 26 and sfgov tv. Org have a number across the korean. Screen. 4156550001. After youve dialed that number and connected to the call, youll be prompted to enter a meeting i. D. The i. D. Is 1465657778. After youve entered the meeting i. 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And your written comments may be sent by the postal service. And the address is 1d goodlet place, room 244, San Francisco, california, 94102. And finally, mr. Chair, items acted upon day will appear on the agenda of november 17th, 2020, unless otherwise state. Chairman that is correct, mr. Clerk. Before we begin, i just wanted to note a few things on the order and form of this agenda. I intend to call item 12 out of order, after item three, and to call all of the m. O. U m. O. U. Related items in open session. Item 13 was noted for possible closed session discussion because it contains terms for the settlement of agreement. That settlement should be discussed enclosed session, if we have questions about it. But that is the only portion of this meeting that would be held enclosed session. There will be public discussion and comment for all of the m. O. U. S. With that, can you please call item number one. Clerk yes. Agenda one is an ordinance amending the code to require notification to prequalified contractors and written documentation of contractors selection from prequalified list, and written documentation for work assigned under as needed professional services contract. And to require the controller to audit such selection documentation. Members of the public who wish to provide Public Comment, call the Public Comment number 4156550001. Enter todays meeting i. D. 146657778. And press the pound symbol twice to connect to the meeting, and press the star key followed by the number 3. Please wait until the system indicates you have been unmuted. You may begin your comments. Mr. Chair. Chairman thank you, supervisor stefani for sponsoring and joining us for this item. The floor is yours. Thank you for scheduling this item again today. I know we heard it on october 1st, and i want to thank you, too, for adding your famous o names as cosponsors. And that was just a technical clich. I know you have a very long meeting today, so im going to very brief. This proposal will amendment the administrative code to close to loopholes that the former director of public works used to direct contracts to recipients, without documentation, evaluation, or oversight. This is drafted to respond to recommendation number four in the city auditors public work. It creates a new, strict set of rules governing the use of prequalified contracting tools, and as needed, professional services contract, which Gave Department heads broad discretion to direct certain types of contracts to specific individuals, which were, obviously as we have seen, ripe for abuse. The city will now be required to solicit these contracts publicly, through a competitive solicitation, evaluate bids using consistent criteria, justify their selection and maintain the documentation for an audit. Unless there are any questions, i would request that you move this to the full board with a positive recommendation. Chairman thank you so much, supervisor stefani. Before we go to Public Comment, colleagues, do you have any remarks or questions . Seeing none, why dont we go to Public Comment. Mr. Clerk, are there any callers on the line . Clerk thank you, mr. Chair. The operator is checking to see if we have any callers in the cue. Please let us know if there are any callers that are already. For those who are already connected to the meeting, please press star, followed by the 3, if you wish to speak for agenda item number one. You will hear a prompt that informs you that your line has been unmuted. For those who are watching our meeting on cable channel 26 or through sfgov tv. Org, if you wish to speak, call in now. By dialing 4156550001. I. D. 1465657778. Press the pound symbol twice. Then press star, followed by 3, to enter the cue to speak. Could you let us know if we have any callers for agenda item number one . Mr. Chair, there are no callers in the cue. Chairman thank you. Operations, and mr. Clerk. Public comment is now closed. Closed colleagues, i would like to move we send this item to the full board with positive recommendation. Clerk the motion offered by cha chair mar. [roll call] clerk mr. Chair, there are three yeas. Chairman mr. Clerk, can you please call item 2 . Clerk agenda 2 rejected ordinance 16220 temporarily protect workers from adverse action if they test positive for covid19, or have previously isolated or are isolated from symptoms, and protect applicants from is discrimination if they test positive for covid19, if theyre isolating or quarantined, due to covid19 symptoms or exposure. Members who wish to provide Public Comment should call the Public Comment number, 4156550001. Enter the meeting i. D. 1465657778. Press the pound symbol twice, and then press the star key, followed by the number 3. Please wait until the system indicates that youve been unmuted and you may begin your comments. And finally one more thing, mr. Chair, im in receipt of a memo requested that this matter be considered as a Committee Report during next weeks november 10th board of supervisors meeting. Chairman thank you. I would like to welcome paul moge to speak on this item on behalf of supervisor ronan. The floor is yours. Thank you, supervisors. Ill keep my remarks brief. This is simply an reactment ordinance, which will be safeguards against firing an employee. It extends protection to workers who are unable to work because they test positive for covid19 or must quarantine because of covid19 symptoms. Supervisor ronan introduced this, and it was a u. C. Health study that revealed that the fear of losing income or ployment because of a covid positive diagnosis and the need to quarantine was discouraging a large number of workers from wanting to go through the testing. This piece of ep legislation was enacted in early september. I indescernable or who requested time awe because they tested positive for covid. Any worker whos rights are violated under this emergency ordinance, can file a report, which has the authority to investigate violation, or order appropriate remedies like reinstating the worker or paying for lost wages, or charging an employer additional penalties for any violation that has occurred. With the assurance that a positive covid diagnosis a worker cannot be fired from their job, this will encourage workers to get tested, so they can contribute to our citys broader outgoing recovery effort. In addition to reenacting this emergency ordinance, were asking for a permanent resolution, even after the citys declared state of emergency is lifted, since this will likely continue well after the shelter in place orders are lifted. With that, im ready for any questions. Chairman thank you so much for all of your work on this, along with your boss. It is just an extremely important workers rights and emergency measure. Thank you so much. Colleagues, do you have any questions for remarks before we go to Public Comment . Mr. Clerk, are there any callers on the line . Clerk thank you, mr. Chair. Operations will check to see if we have any callers who are in the cue who wish to speak for this item, agenda item the number 2. Mr. Cue, let us know if we have any callers that are ready. Please press star, followed by the 3. For those already on hold in the cue, please continue to wait until youre prompted to begin. You will hear a prompt that informs you that your line has been unmuted. For those watching our meeting through sfgov tv. Org, if you wish to speak, please call in now, by dialing 415655, 0001. The i. D. 1465657778. Press the pound symbol twice followed by star 3. Have we received any callers . I have one caller in the cue. Hi, this is magic haltman, and thank you, paul, for bringing this forward from hillarys office. It is so important. And i just want to voice my highest support for protecting our people. Thank you very much. Clerk thank you for your comments. Mr. Cue, can you connect us to the neck caller next callf there is someone on the line. Mr. Chair, that completes the callers. Chairman hearing no further callers, Public Comment is closed. I would like to recommend move that we send this item to the full board with positive recommendation as a Committee Report to the november 10th meeting of the board of supervisors. Mr. Clerk, can you please call roll. [roll call] id like to be added as a cosponsor. Yea. Clerk noted. Mr. Chair, there are three yeas. Chairman thank you. Mr. Clerk, can you please call item number 3. Clerk yes. Agenda three is a hearing to receive and review external auditors comprehensive management report. Endings june 30th, 2019, and external aud tit plans is required under the charter. 4156550001. And enter the meeting i. D. , 146, 5657778. Press the pound symbol twice to connect to the meeting, and then press the star key, followed by the number 3. Mr. Chair . Chairman thank you. This annual hearing was part of the reason that the government audits and oversight was formed. Today well hear from the citys external auditors on their findings for fiscal year 2019and fiscal 2020. A number of city staff are here and available for questions, with representatives from the m. T. A. , p. U. C. , and from the controllers office. Is there anything you would like to say at the start of this hearing. Thank you, mr. Chair. I can brief the introduce the item and turn it over to the citys external auditors to present to you. A bit of background, every physical yeafiscal year in thisy has two book ends, with a financial plan, the budget, what we hope will occur for that fiscal year, and then it concludes with what actual occurred financially. We present those in Financial Statements, and then consolidate them into what we call the comprehensive annual financial report, cafr. Those are then audited by firms external to the city to ensure they accurately reflect the citys Financial Condition for that fiscal year. So you are here today to hear from the citys audit firms. Annie louie from m. G. O. , to talk through their observations and findings. And then they will present their audit plans for fiscal year 2020, because were closing the books. I believe the auditors are prepared to present. Chairman thank you so much, mr. Rosenfield. I would just like to welcome our external auditors, annie louie, who is a partner at m. G. O. , and lisa avis, the managing director of kpmg. You have the floor. Thank you very much. Good morning. Again, we appreciate the opportunity to be here. I want to share our presentation here, and so we have both kpmg and m. G. O. Presently today, but our joint presentation will cover the various aspects needed here. So if you could just please let me know if my screen chairwoman yes, we can see it. Okay, you can see the presentation there. Okay. Thank you. So this meeting here im sorry. Im having a little bit of technical difficulties this meeting is to cover the audit results for 2019, and the audit plan and strategy for 2020. So as you can see, there are 43 slides here. Were not going to go through all 43 slides. I just want to highlight a couple of the key slides with the rest of the information you have in your packet for review. Slide two here talks about the scope of the audit that we ask ternal auditors conducted this year. We have the Financial Statement audits, audited by m. G. O. , and those audited by kpmg on the right side. And they have consisted over the past several years. Slide three here is the results of m. G. O. s audits. It says m. G. O. , but for all of the Financial Statement audits across the board, we have the Financial Statements received, and opinions, or what we call unmodified opinions, meaning that the Financial Statement balance is where we present the results and operations of the respective entities that you saw on the previous slide. As part of our audit results, we also cover any corrective actions taken on any findings noted in the prior period. So annie, did you just want to touch on this slide here, slide four . Thank you, lisa. Good morning, everybody. This particular finding is from the 2017 18 audit, where we noted certain deficiencies over the financial reporting, and the main cost of this was the citys conversion from the Legacy Financial Management System to peoplesoft system. We note the areas of improvement, and im happy to report that based on the audit for 18 19, that the corrected actions have been implemented. Thank you, annie. Im going to jump to slide seven here. So as we review the Financial Statements, as management is preparing the Financial Statements, it is not uncommon for management to find adjustment to numbers presented, and they make a determination as to whether those identified are material or significant enough to adjust the existing balances theyve presented. For example, on slide seven here, this has the various column where the various entities are audited by kpmg, and there were similar adjustments for the audits by m. G. O. They would affect the pension and expenses as they were originally reported. Soso the pension liability was calculated in 2016, and oped was calculated in 2018. Each year there are new factors that come into play, and those estimates are more finetuned to adjust for the large liabilities for pensions and oped that are on the books. When calculating the updated amount for the 2018 audit, there were some factors that were not included in those calculations, and these are the net effects of those calculations here. Management determined that they were not material, and we concurred. The Department Still received an opinion, but we just wanted to show the impact of those amounts that were not recorded. As part of our audit, we are required to report any controlled deficiencies noted. So there was one adjustment, and that was material. And it was brought tw to our attention by the p. U. C. Management. Back in 2016, there was an agreement that was entered with another city agency as it relates to the central shop transactions that were taking place. And there was a lack of communication among various departments, but this resulted in 35 million of assets being doubled booked on the waste water enterprise Financial Statement. So management, again, identified it, brought it to our attention. They wanted to be transparent in their Financial Statements, so management corrected the prior periods balances. And as a result, the numbers that were stated as of 2018 and 2019 were corrected. However, because of the deficiency here, we issued a material correction over this. It was a oneoff transaction for the p. U. C. Entities, and they have transactions to address these similar oneoff transactions. The next finding was a single audit over the m. T. A. Program. When we test cash draws from the federal government, we found there were some controls that were lacking over the reviews taking place before those draws so there has been a lot of turnover at m. T. A. With the various retirements that have taken place. As a result of the deficiencies we found, there was approximately 1. 5 of costs that were draw1. 5 million of costs thatwee not allowable. M. T. A. Has corrected that to make their balance and account whole again. So i want to go ahead and jump forward to i hope i dont make you dizzy here, but on slide 22 here, and slide 23, these are the teams that we have coming into the 2020 audit, which is well under way. Again, we said these are results for 2019, and the audit plan for 2020, but we have the continuity of both teams. And jumping forward to slide 24 here, this is our audit timeline. And we actually have several reports that will be going out in the next couple of weeks. And, again, the team is working hard to try to make those deadlines. So i know you have a very full agenda, and im not going to go through all 43 slides, but i just wanted to highlight those key items. Annie, is there anything else you would like to touch on . No. Youve covered it very well. Thank you. Thank you, lisa. Okay. Thank you. Mr. Chairman . Chairman supervisor peskin, go ahead. I would like to draw a little more into the rather troubling finding about the inappropriate spending of federal dollars and determine whether or not there are any other instances of that, and to what extent the audit looked at other federal drawdowns. Yes. So i can start with that question, and then i can turn it over to m. T. A. As part of the audit procedures, were required to select a sample of items. One thing we make sure is to make sure the requests are reviewed prior to being sent to the federal government. And those reviews would often catch things like this. We found an instance where a draw was not reviewed, and so we expanded our sample to see if there were anymore similar errors. In expanding our sample, we saw that approximately 750,000 of unallowable costs were drawn on. So since we had already expanded our sample, we asked management to go through and scrub the population of draws to see if they identified with the additional errors, as they identified another 750,000. And so we identified half, and management, through their exercise, identified additional amounts and brought those to our attention. And then i dont know if we have anyone from m. T. A. On . Mr. Levenson . Yes. Hello. Thank you. Im leo levenson, the c. F. O. For the San Francisco m. T. A. And Matthew Mcdonald is the controller for m. T. A. , and he can provide more. But we take this very seriously. We make sure we have additional procedures in internal controls to make sure this doesnt happen again. This is within the context of about 339 million with the federal costs. And i want to emphasize this was not an improper spending federal dollars. It was a claiming, where there were some errors in what was claimed in that particular quarter. And, again, it was offset against a later quarter, where the correction was made. And, matthew, are you here to provide any further details . Yeah, leo, i am here. Im Matthew Mcdonald, and im the controller for s. M. T. A. And there was an in the process for the echo draw, there was a number of there is a plethora of information, and what we found was that some of the information was inadequate inaccurate im sorry and had to do with the numbers that were pulled from the new system. Some staff was unfamiliar with itmen it. And so that went into the echo draw. So what happened was it wasnt an accurate review from the management at the time, and it en on in a draw against that. We did a subsequent analysis, as kpmg said, and that subsequent analysis was to look for additional items like that, and we did find additional items. We were then asked to do a corrective action plan. There were two things coming out of that plan one was to make whole on the amount that was drawn down, to, in essence, refund the 1. 5 million to the f. T. A. , but in subsequent drawdowns, the error was noted and it was netted, so there was no need to do a refund to m. T. A. The second part of the corrective action plan was for two particular things one is for there to be a more robust review of the drawdown. And that robust review now includes the manager in charge of that area, initially, and then going on to my review, with a number of items that are now part of a check list before the echo draw could be released. The second part of it was that in one instance, there was a drawdown that occurred by staff before the management had signed off on it. And, again, the procedure is no echo draw could be proceeded with until that review has happened, and management has authorized the drawdown. And, mr. Mcdonald, given the huge amount of federal sub versions that the s. F. M. T. A. , though external controls were historically not in place until this finding . No well, as kpmg mentioned, there was a number of staff and some of the staff had gone on to retirement, and we lost some staff with institutional knowledge, and think during this time it was just that these interim controls were not followed as diligently as they had been followed with staff that had more institutional experience. I think it was a matter of training and us redoubling our efforts to make sure that the review process in the internal controls were adequate. Well, i think it also if i may speaks to Succession Planning, or lack thereof. The fact there is memory that retires, there is not somebody who has been part of a robust Succession Plan is what could lead to that. Regardless, the internal control should be stronger than the institutional memory of any one individual. Hopefully you guys are going to draw down on that in the time ahead. I agree. And were doing that. And may i also add to that, if i can . I just want to clarify as well that there were controls there. However, it was a couple of instances where we did not see that approval and authorization prior to the draw. And so had there been no controls, the significant deficiency that we have noted here on page nine would have actually been a material weakness. Got it. And it was because it was only a small portion of that. And the terminology that we are required to use in this format in reporting is questionable costs, allowable costs, that terminology. But as mr. Levenson has said, the costs were allowable for the entity as a whole. It is just that they should not have been federally funded. They should have been funded with the operating activities of m. T. A. Versus federal grander. So it was a color of money issue . That is correct. Chairman thank you. Thank you for the question, supervisor peskin. I had a question for the auditors, just a broader question about the looking ahead for the planning for this audit of the 19 20 year. We had to make changes to the budgeting process and timeline. I was wondering if you can speak a little more about how that is impacting the important work on the auditing, the 19 20 fiscal year. Do you want to go ahead and talk from the citys indescernable . Do you have the budgets on that trose. . Let me start off. In terms of the audit timeline, uhe auditing budget does not have a significant impact. But indirectly it affects the availability of that because it is the same teamworking on the budget, as well as the financial close and audit processes. So far we have experienced a little bit of a day, not necessarily because of that becaus but because of the situation of having to work remotely. And working on the other relief funds that have been an issue because of lack of guidance, and in some cases unclear guidance on how such funds should be recognized in the Financial Statements, as well as the compliance portion of federal funds. So were working with management on that. We may have a delay in terms of a single audit, given the office of management and budget that issues the audit guidance on the federal awards every year has not provided the guidance. We are expecting the guidance to be issued some time this month, with the deadline on the single aud tits being nine months, which would be march of 2021. So the single audits may go into march of 2021, which is unusual for the city. In the past, the city has always had their report issued by the end of january. But other than that, i dont believe there would be any significant delays in other processes at this point. Okay. And particula from an indepet standpoint, we are still working and hopefully have the airport report going out in the next several days. We appreciate the cooperation from all of the departments to keep moving these forward during these unique times. Thank you so much for that. And thanks for all of your important work on the external audit of the citys cafr. Colleagues, do you have any questions or comments before we go to Public Comment . Great. Why dont we go to Public Comment on this item. Mr. Clerk, are there any callers on the line . Clerk operations is checking to see if we have any callers in the cue who wish to speak for this agenda item number three. Mr. Cue, please let us know if we have any callers who are ready. Those who are already connected, please press star, followed by 3, to be added to the cue. For those already on hold in the cue, please continue to wait until youre prompted to begin. For those who are watching our meeting on cable channel 26 or through sfgov. Org, please call in now, by following the instructions on your screen. When prompted, enter the meeting i. D. 1465667778. Press the pound symbol twice and press star, followed by 3, to enter the cue to speak. Mr. Cue, could you please connect us to our first caller. Mr. Chair, there are no callers in the cue. Chairman thank you, mr. Coo. Public comment is closed. Thanks again, for all of your work on the external audit. And i would like to move that we file this hearing. Do we need to take a vote on that . We should. On the motion offered by chair mar that this hearing be filed . [roll call] clerk mr. Chair, there are three yeas. Chairman thank you, mr. Clerk. Can you please call item number 12 out of order. Clerk just a moment. Item 12 is a hearing to receive recommendations on restructuring the office of the chief economist medical examiner and best practices of jurisdictions that employ a medical scanner, including court functions, hiring and firing, and general oversights. Nbmembers of the public should call 4156550001. Press the pound symbol twice to connect to the meeting, and press the star key, followed by the number 3, to enter the cue to speak. A system prompt will indicate that you have raised your hand. When you are unmuted, you may then begin your comments. Mr. Chair . Chairman supervisor peskin, the floor is yours. I have nothing to say. Oh, on this item, i would like this to be continued to the meeting of november 10th. I believe we have a meeting on november oh, no. Excuse me. Clerk november 10th is tuesday. And thats next week. Im sorry. Wait one second. Let me find the date that i would like to continue this to. Clerk the next regularly scheduled meeting is november 19th for this committee. I will get back to you. If we can come back and continue this later. Chairman supervisor peskin, can i request that we continue this item to the call of the chair. Our agendas are extremely full, coming up in the next few meetings i believe on december 10th sorry, im looking at my notes. I believe that on december 10th, supervisor haney has a matter pertaining to the medical examiners office, and i thought we could hear them at the same time. Clerk i will note for the information of the chair and mr. Vice chair, december 10th is not a regular meeting date for this committee. This Committee Meets on the first and third thursdays of each month. That means that december 3rd would be the only regularly scheduled meeting in december. Mr. Chairman, why dont we continue it to the call of the chair, and when you hear supervisor haneys item, we can hear this item at the same time. That sounds good. You have my commitment. So, mr. Clerk, can you please call roll on the motion to continue this item to the call of the chair. Clerk we should, before we dispense with the items, are there any members of the public who have called to give Public Comment on this item. Operations is checking now to see if there are any callers in the cue. Mr. Coo, let us know if there are any callers that are ready. Please press star followed by 3to be added to the cue if you wish to speak for this item, item 12. For those already on hold in the cue, please continue to wait until your prompted to begin. For those who are watching or meeting our capable channel, if you wish to speak on this item, please call in now by following the instructions which are on your screen. That would be by dialing enter todays meeting i. D. 1465657778. Press the pound symbol twice, followed by star 3. Mr. Coo, do we have any callers who wish to speak on item 12 . Mr. Chair, there are no callers in the cue. Chairman thank you, mr. Coo. Public comment is closed. Mr. Clerk, can you please call roll. Clerk on the motion offered by chair mar, that this item be continued to the call of the chair. [roll call] clerk mr. Chair, there are three yeas. Chairman thank you. Mr. Clerk, can you please call items four through 11 and item 13 together . Clerk yes. Agenda items number 4 through 11 are seven ordinances adopting and implementing amendments to the ongoing memoranda of understanding between the city and county and the firefighters association, local 791, units 1 and 2, to increase wage increases, to extend the term by two years, and to set wages for the additional term. As well as the Municipal Executives Association, to update the grievance procedures, the Municipal Executives Association for fire, to incur wages for fiscal year 2020, 2021. And the association for police, to defer wage increases currently set by fiscal year sorry, to defer wage increases currently set for fiscal year 2020 to 2021, extend the term by two years and set wages for the additional term. As well as the m. L. U. With the Service Employees international union, local 1021, to update the work study provisions. Also the m. L. U. For sciu, staff and per diem nurses, to make amendments to the overtime provision, and amending ordinance 10620, fixing compensation for persons employed by the city o, and establishing working schedules and other terms and conditions of employment and methods of payment affective july 1st, 2020. Also agenda item 13 is now called. Item 13 is an ordinance adopting and implementing the tentative agreement between the city and county of San Francisco, and the San Francisco pls Police Officers association, including one, adopting and implementing the First Amendment to the 2018 to 2021 memorandum of understanding between the city and the p. O. A. , for fiscal year 2020 to 2021, amend the provisions, amendment the 10b overtime provisions, and set wages for the additional term. And, two, approving settlement of two grievances filed by the p. O. A. Against the city, not to exceed 359,613. 87. The grievances were filed on march 25th, 2020, and june 29, 2020. And they have all compensation disputes under the memoranda of understanding. Members of the public who wish to provide Public Comment on these nine ordinances should call the Public Comment number now. 4156550001. I. D. 1465657778. Press the pound symbol twice to connect to the meeting, and then press the star key, followed by the mr. 3 t number 3 to speak. Please wait until the system indicates youve been unmuted, and at that time you may begin your comments. Mr. Chair these items are all called. Chairman thank you, mr. Clerk. Before we get into presentations and discussion on these items, i do want to clarify the closed session noted for item 13, the memorandum of understanding and settlement of grievances for the Police Officers association. It is my intention to have a robust and transparent dialogue, all side the eight other m. O. U. S and other items. Because it contains a settlement of grievances, we duly noticed this item for a possible closedsession discussion. It is a settlement of grievances only that would be discussed enclosed session. The presentation for this m. O. U. Will be held in open session, and the committee will be able to ask questions and discuss it openly. Public comment will be held following this discussion. All of that will be held in open session. If any member of this committee has questions or wishes to discuss the specific terms of the settlement of the grievances, which are partially included in the m. O. U. Itself, that discussion would happen separately after complic comment is takenafter publiccom. We look forward to this public discussion today. Well hear presentations from carol isen, director of Employee Relations for the department of Human Resources, on each memorandum of understanding. And colleagues, croar controller Ben Rosenfield is also here. If any of my colleagues would like to say anything before we begin, the floor is yours. Okay. Well, i would like to, again, welcome carol issen to present on these items. Ms. Issen . Chairman mar, members of the committee, thank you for calendaring these items to to be heard today. There are a number of matters pending before you. Several of them are essentially clericaltype updates to various m. O. U. S, and i can cover them individually at the committees request. Most are selfplan store. Selfexplanatory. I think the maf business is asking for you include the extensions of the police and fire memorandum agreements, and im going to provide some background about how we got ourselves to this place. And im happy to answer any questions and take any comments that the committees might have. In the middle of june, when the citys latest Financial Reports indicated a potential 1. 5 billion deficit for the coming twoyear budget, the mayor approached all of the citys bargaining partners and asked the unions to consider delaying wage increases for the duration of their m. O. U. S. So we had that discussion. Our socalled miscellaneous unions or nonsafety unions, declined to participate any further in those discussions, which, of course, their right, and we respect that completely. These are closed Labor Agreements. 311 iand there is no obligatin for any city union to engage in that conversation with us. In any event, Firefighters Local 798, San Francisco Police Officers association, and the Municipal Executives Association, that represents the managerial did agree to pursue discussions with us. They lasted about a month, month and a half, and they are almost exclusively economic documents that are in front of you. The savings associated with those documents are detailed in the controllers report. But essentially what they do is police and fire have agreed to delay the wage increase that was scheduled at this point to happen at the end of december of this year, december 2020. Those wages are delayed. Theyre pushed out over the course of two years, starting in july of 2021. We agreed to contract extensions for two years, with 3 wage increases per year in each of those two years. By way of comparison, i just want to remind the board that for the remainder of the Labor Agreements representing City Employees, that first year of the extended contracts for police and fire covers the last year. It is the same period of time as the last year in the miscellaneous agreements. In the miscellaneous contracts, we have 3. 5 wage increases for police, and fire we have 3 wage increases. One of the factors in the charter, one of the most important factors, is how we pay all City Employees, and any arbitrator issuing a ruling on wages would have to look at that factor. So we did consider that. We also looked at your fiveyear projections about what you anticipate you will be funding in terms of annual wage increases for all of labor. So we managed to delay the increases. We pushed them off a couple of years. We provided some breathing room for your twoyear budget. And the agreements and we provided for wage increases for two out years. So theyre relatively simple. I think theyre fair. Theyre reasonable. Were urging you to vote yes. We do understand, and obviouslyly havobviously have re correspondents, and have discussions with the San Francisco Bar Association about broad concerns that the city did not demand reform measures in exchange for wage increases. And im prepared to comment on that. We also have representatives from the San Francisco Police Department to comment on that, the director of Labor Relations for the San Francisco Police Department, and the chief of police, william scott, are here as well. Im just going to provide preliminary comment about that, and then im going to look forward to the conversation. We, in the city the matters that i think that generally fall under the category of reform, and the recommendations from the department of justice, and the various activities around reform that the Police Commission has been engaged in are really matters of policy and that policy activity in our charter is assigned to the Police Commission. And we have quite intentionally encouraged or allowed those policy, opolicyconsiderations to bleed into the Labor Agreements. Because once something ends up in a Labor Agreement, it becomes set terms that could last for a very long time and create an inflexibility that does not the city to respond to changing conditions. Nevertheless, the Police Officers association, along with every other City Employee union and virtually every other municipally employed Civil Servant throughout the state of california and their Labor Organizations do have the right to negotiate over matters that concern wages, hours, and terms and conditions of employment. It is embedded in state law. It has been there since the late 1960s. In the case of the adoption of police policy, many of those policies are iinherently reserved Management Rights for the city and its Police Commission to adopt. Nevertheless, those new policies can give rise to matters that impact, matters within the scope of representation. And we therefore then hav have. We then continue to have obligations to bargain in good faith. So we carry out those duties with the Police Commission. The Police Commission has been in a generational rewrite of all of its rules to conform to notions of modern policing and to respond to the d. O. J. Recommendations. Many of those changes that the Police Commission has either promulgated or is attempted to promulgate do have impacts, terms and conditions of employment, and we do have an obligation to meet and confer over those terms and conditions of employment. Weve been representing the Police Department, as is our obligation under charter to do so. In the same manner that we represent the board of supervisors, in negotiations over your policies, over Charter Amendments, and so forth. [please stand by] im happy to answer any questions. We do have other speakers with us, if youd like to hear from them first. Or if you want to just get started with questions of me. Chair mar thank you, ms. Isen, for that. Colleagues, i wanted to request that we kind of just ask questions right now of ms. Isen or any of the other departmental reps. And and then we go to Public Comment. And then after that we can have our discussion and move to action on these items. And also can possibly move to closed session, if theres an interest in discussing the specifics around the settlement agreement. So we can just maybe ask questions right now. Actually, ms. Isen, i did have a few questions. Thank you for the overview. You know, as you mentioned, you know, the Bar Association of San Francisco Justice Reform task force has proposed for immediate changes on d. R. H. Meeting confer practices, with respect to the p. O. A. And the goal of these proposed changes is to provide more transparency and to reduce the p. O. A. S history of abuse of labor negotiations, to delay implementation, by the 272 recommendations of reform from the department of justice. They claim most of these can be memorialized in the m. O. U. And actually during the last bargaining process, with the p. O. A. Back in 2018, d. H. R. Put forward proposals along these lines to set reasonable limits to the amount of time the p. O. A. Can use the meet and confer process to delay finalize and reforming processes. I wanted to ask in the negotiations over the new m. O. U. With the p. O. A. , since this summer if d. H. R. Could file any proposals for reform, like you did in 2018. And like those that have been proposed by the Bar Association of San Francisco and others. Supervisor, i can comment specifically on the question about setting reasonable limits on meet and confer and the contractual waiving of meet and confer rights. If you want to talk in more detail about reform efforts, i think we have to shift the discussion about the meet and confer activities that have taken place within the Police Commission and the Police Department in 2020, which we can also comment on as well. Let me just take up the first point, and i heard a lot about this, which is the issue of waiver of meet and confer righ r negotiations, as stated earlier, is enshrined in state law, of long standing. It is regulated by the California Public employment relations board. We have very specific prescribed obligations as an employer to engage in good faith in meet and confer. We cannot impose deadlines, whether in our view reasonable or not. On those meet and confer, we do have to bargain in good faith to conclusion. The dates and timeline that is required is minimums are prescribed in state law, that even if and so when we have issues that ared a adversarial and we have a bargaining obligation, you know, even if we were to do lockstep every day, as prescribed in state law, it would be almost impossible to get through a significant meet and confer in under six months and more typically a year. So i point to, for example, the body warn camera negotiations. Here im going to talk about round one, which i thin i thinkh more important than round two, which has generated so much concern. In round one, in 2016, we engaged in six months of very hard bargaining. It was led then by martin grand. At the end of those negotiatio negotiations, the cameras this was the adoption of a brandnew and very complex policy that dealt with many aspects of the wearing of the cameras, when theyre worn, how theyre worn, how theyre stored, how theyre donned, how the pay provisions work during the time when youre doing that and so forth. Those negotiations concluded in six months and those cameras went on all the officers and the footage has been rolling ever since. There were remaining questions that the Police Commission was not satisfied with the outcome, that had to do with when and officer gets to view footage in a useofforce situation or disciplinary situation. They were interrupted twice in those negotiations by major events, out of our control. One was the renegotiation of the p. O. A. S m. O. U. And the other was citywide negotiations of the other 32 Labor Agreements that theyre responsible for. But part of the reason why we did put fulltime resources into the Police Department is because of that experience. But ill just restate my recommendation to this board that i do not think its in anybodys longterm interest, either the advocates, the Police Commission, the board or even the union to have matters of policy that do have impacts on wages, hours, terms of conditions to employment that are not already in the m. O. U. To end up in that m. O. U. Because we will live with things for a very long time. And that may no longer serve our purpose in just a matter of ye years. Chair mar well, thank you. And i do want to add one more point about this. And i apologize for the length of my comments. We cannot again referring back to the state laws, the brown act, we cannot compel the p. O. A. Or any union to waive in any part the meet and confer rights under law. If the union wishes to agree to do that, they can agree to do that. We cannot condition negotiations on their agreement to do so. Its an unfair labor practice. We attempted it under duress honestly in the last round of bargaining, because we know this to be true. We did our best to defend it. It was defended publicly. Anybody anybody who from the public who attended those sessions saw it themselves. The arbitrator told us in no Uncertain Terms that it would be impermissible for that arbitrator or anybody to force the union to waive its rights under law. So thats where the issue ended up. It does not make sense to me that we raise it again. I think our best interests lie in understanding what it is were trying to achieve and moving that agenda forcefully, which is the activity that the Police Department has been engaged in vigorously. And i would like to have an opportunity, after questions to have ms. Preston provide you with an update on that. Chair mar yeah. Well, thanks for that response, ms. Isen. You know, i guess you know, i hear your opinion that it would be inappropriate to include provisions in the m. O. U. , that are related to policy and are more of the purview of the Police Commission. I guess the concern the way the current m. O. U. Is drafted, which would continue through 2023, if accepted, it requires d. H. R. To give notice and negotiate over any proposed change in sfpd general orders. And this language, you know, is of significant concern as its interpreted to allow d. H. R. To take a broad definition of the item that must go to meet and confer, including management decisions, policy decisions, as you refer to them and allow the p. O. A. To abuse the process and really again slow down or obstruct the reforms so needed right now in policing. Yeah. I just wanted to ask for your interpretation of the language specifically and your response to this criticism. We met with the Bar Association yesterday. I personally the first time ive had a conversation with them. And i appreciated it very much. I think they are raising some interesting and innovative concepts related to the broad work of transparency. And i think theyre discussions that i would like to be part of and to continue. Having said that, and i said this to the Bar Association yesterday, i respectfully disagree with their interpretation of that clause. That is a very old clause in the m. O. U. It is treated and is understood by the parties that its essentially a notice provision. The Police Commission notices a wide swath of governments, including the p. O. A. , and all of its general order updates. And thats how that notice provision is treated. It in no way obligates or has caused or in any way affects the citys evaluation of its obligation to meet and confer. We meet and confer on items were required to meet and confer over. I can go into the nuances of what decision bargaining versus effects bargaining means and how that works. But it in no way requires us to bargain over matters that are permissive and we dont do it. Chair mar supervisor haney, do you have some questions . Supervisor haney i want to stay on the issue of meet and confer to clarify a few things. I share chair mars concerns about the meet and confer process to stall reform. Theres or stop reform. I think its clear that we need transformational changes to policing in our city. And various ways that the meet and confer process can slow that for long periods of times, i think is connected to why some of the changes that the Justice Department has called on us to make, have either been slow to happen or are yet to happen. And i know that the chief is here as well. I wonder if you all can speak to that . You know, we are concerned that if we keep the meet and confer provisions within the m. O. U. The same, that it will make it much more difficult to move at the pace that we need to move, to make the reforms that i hope everyone is committed to. You know, i understand that your view, it sounds like, director isen, is the meet and confer provisions are governed under state law. And that the meet and confer provisions that are in this m. O. U. Are no different than what it required by the state. So i guess id like to get a specific answer on that, which is whether the meet and confer provisions that are around notice, in the m. O. U. , are the same thats required under state law or do they go beyond the citys legal obligation . No, we would be required under law tomorrow provide to provide notice. If we were not required under law to provide notice, we would, as a matter of transparency with everybody involved in general orders or any type of Employment Policy that touches employment, we always notice all of our unions. We also notice all of our stakeholders in the Police Department. We notice all kinds of people, as does the board of supervisors. Its just generally good public policy. But the meet and confer itself, whether or not year going to meemeet and were going to mt and confer, based on an analysis whether or not the matters that are covered by whatever the policy is are matters within scope that are required under state law. Theres nothing the employer can do, other than to work on your Labor Relationship with your bargaining partners, to move things along quickly and expeditiously. Theres nothing we can impose on any union to change their rights under law, to meet and confer in good faith and the more complex issues they are, the longer it takes. We, as i stated earlier, we are regulated by the California Public employment relations board. That board is very active board. It enforces vigorously the it enforces vigorously the employer this employer and every other employer in the state of employer and local government. It enforces our obligation to meet and confer fully and in good faith with any organization, whether theyre police or sciu or anyone else. And there is nothing in the m. O. U. S that can condition that or that do condition that. I think your the best approach is the one thats being employed right now in the Police Department, which is to work every single day on those relationships to be moving the agenda of that commission and of the community. And to try to create those alignments to be rebuilding good relationships between our City Employees of all places, within employment, and our communities that were serving. Supervisor peskin supervisor haney, if i can just interrupt for one second. Maybe this is not a big deal. If we could say bargaining unit instead of union, because in some cases we have unions. In some cases these are not organizations that are afitted with the American Federation of labor and the congress of industrial organizations. So one thing is really a union, the other is a bargaining unit. The p. O. A. Is a bargaining unit. The m. A. A. And the m. E. A. Are bargaining units. So i just want to use those words carefully. Sorry. Fair enough, supervisor. Supervisor haney thank you, supervisor. I will just say that the supervisor is correct. We have a number of employee Labor Organizations representing City Employees that are not affiliated with the aflcio, either nationally, the state or locally. Nevertheless, we have the exact same obligation under law to meet and confer with those organizations. Supervisor haney chief, i wonder if you can answer this question as well. Obviously the Police Commission sets policy for the Police Department. You know, we are all concerned and the board of supervisors is concerned about the pace of changes that need to be made, particularly under the recommendations from the d. O. J. And whats your view of the way in which the contract obligati obligations, either prevents that or slows that . And whether theres more that we can do to have a contract that allows to us make the changes that need to be made. Thank you, supervisor haney, for that question. We worked out a significant amount of hurdles that we identified previously that were causing the slow pace that we were on in the first year, year and a half, two years of this engagement. Miss preston is on the line, our Labor Relations director. But to your question about the contract, really its not a contractual issue. A lot of our policies, a lot of our protocols are processes that we saw that needed to be in some cases totally revamped, contributed to some of these delays. And whether in terms of policy, we look at our general orders that tie directly to reforms. And i can name several that tie directly to. Most recently we just the Commission Just approved the Community Policing general order. That particular that general order tied into about 20 different recommendations. That general order took about a year and a half to get through. And this had nothing to do with meet and confer. This is also about community processes and all of the things that the people of San Francisco have demanded, which are good things, but theyre time consuming. Well, we had to refine that as well. And shorten the processes that are good processes and the bottom line is since miss preston has come onboard, our meet and confer process has been expedited because a couple of things that ms. Isen raised, just the scheduling was a problem. You know, we had a i dont know how many months, six, seven months gap where we couldnt meet because the d. H. R. Folks were engaged in other collective bargaining negotiations. So we just couldnt meet. So now that miss pressson is fulltime, responsibility with the Police Department, those types of issues are gone. And were able to actually move the pace, even with meet and confer, much quicker than we were in the past. So to your question, i dont see the actual m. O. U. As an impediment to reform. I think some of our internal processes had to be improved and reviewed. I think we made the right moves. And its a continuing process. You know, if we get to it the department presented to the board a couple weeks ago, on the reform status. But there have been many, many things put in place. Were seeing the results. You know, between now and the first of next year, we have 108 recommendations that will be ready for review we believe by the contractor and the california d. O. J. Thats significant improvement over years past. So i think all of these things have come together in a way that has put us in a really good position. I think this works and getting back to your question, i dont believe that the you know, the collective Bargaining Agreement really has impact or will impact us moving forward. Chief, this is director of labor for the Police Department. I might add theres nothing in the m. O. U. That stalls or prevents the city from implementing reforms. I want to say that again. Because i have heard that comment repeatedly. Theres absolutely nothing in the p. O. A. M. O. U. That prevents the city from implementing Police Reform. Supervisor haney i have another question for director isen. We you know, because of the need to see greater reforms and because of the particularly in recent years the ways in which the there has been widespread concern about the pace of reform, many have called for and i would agree with them, a greater, more proactive role for the board of supervisors, for the Police Commission, including as it relates to the contract process and negotiations. I wonder if you would speak to that. Weve had folks and, i know, i call for understandably public hearings on the negotiation process with the p. O. A. You know, a more collaborative approach that includes the Police Commission as it relates to the contract. And because of that theyre saying we shouldnt delay that from happening, you know, two years from now. It should happen sooner, neck year. Can you respond to that and, you know, whether i understand that youre saying we shouldnt do policysetting within the contract. But that by having a more collaborative, handson, even public role for the board and for the public and for the Police Commission, that there might be some ways to use that process to expedite reform. Well, i guess i would a few things. Lets see. Okay. Well, first of all, we have a system our local rules the brown act requires every Public Agency to adopt local rules to implement the states statute. Our local rules are actually enshrined in our charter for police and fire, thats section aa590. It specifies what matters are covered in the collective bargaining and those are the matters that end up in the m. O. U. We go to the negotiations. If we dont have agreement, as you all know, the matters of disagreement are submitted to arbitration panel, who then issues binding rulings. So we have, you know, and i will continue to state this, i would not want to mix the very important reform policy matters that the Police Commission deals with every day to, in some way, walk ourselves with best intentions into a very deep unintended consequences situation, where were building more and more issues into that m. O. U. And it starts to resemble some of our other robust m. O. U. S of hundreds of pages of rights going back 30, 35 years that we live with to this day and tie the hands of our City Department to take the kinds of steps they need to make to modernize these workplaces. That would not be a good outcome of this. Nevertheless, on the issue of more involvement with the board, absolutely. We came to you in 2018, prior to the start of negotiations. We gave you a closed session presentation about our intentions in terms of negotiations. We followed the requests and direction given to by the board of supervisors and the mayor working with the mayor and with you. We went into bargaining, we came out with the agreement that we came out with. I think maybe what is being suggested here is somehow that we can leverage money in exchange for the p. O. A. Behaving differently or doing something differently. You know, its just what we pay our officers is a labormarket question. And its driven by the labor market. And we can make all kinds of demands associated with that money. We do that in bargaining with many of our unions. Sometimes we get very minor concessions. It usually works the other way when we cant afford to pay, we give up rights that we never get back. But were happy to, you know go ahead. I just want to add what we cannot do in collective bargaining is to require them to agree to impermissible subjects of bargaining, as a condition of bargaining. I think miss isen mentioned that earlier. Supervisor haney so its your view that by keeping the contract more limited in scope, so whats included in that, that actually gives the Police Commission, the chief, the board of supervisors the opportunity to actually make more direct policy changes and not have to contend with what may or may not be in the contract as much. But rather simply go to the meet and confer process, rather than a much more detailed set of policies that are included in a contract. Exactly. And you see this playing itself out routinely in the Police Commission, as its doing this generational rewrite of its general orders. It has been adopting new general orders and then a year later realizing something was missing or some aspect of it isnt quite working the way they would like it to work. And then they introduce yet another change to a recently adopted general order, which can give rise to second round of meet and confer. But, nevertheless, the flexibility is there to make those changes. Those are all enshrined in m. O. U. S, you would be stuck on your bargaining cycle and then youd also have an issue embedded in dozens of issues, which may or may not survive the process. Usually does not. I can tell you that from long experience, well walk into negotiations with any of our city unions with hundreds of proposals on both sides, that we end up with maybe 20, 25 issues that end up being what the essence of the agreement is. So its not its not of anybodys interests to embed many more things in the m. O. U. Go ahead, ms. Preston. Sorry. The other problem with embedding policies, that may contain issues of Management Rights, as well as issues of representation rights, you could puttierself in a situation where you could be forced to go to binding arbitration on the m. O. U. Language, that we may not be required to do outside of the collective bargaining language. So you put yourself in a much bigger box of processes, additionally, by including certain policies into the collective Bargaining Agreement. The city is much better legally footed and has much more opportunity to amend the policies outside of a contract that could last three or four years. Supervisor haney so im clear on that. If we put the policies, even ones that we really want to pursue and are really important into the contract, that could create more challenges for us, because if theres disagreement on the interpretation or implementation of those policies, then it could go to binding arbitration . For the duration of the agreement. So if you have a fouryear agreement and you set the policy in there, that means the policy is for four years. And so if you have a d. P. O. Now, like, you know, bodyworn cameras or useofforce, its not in the m. O. U. And the commission is free to make amendments as it sees fit. Just so everybody understands our testimony. Because i want to make sure this point is crystal clear. We at the city would not agree to have nonmandatory subject end up in a collective Bargaining Agreement. However, matters that are mandatory subjects, that tie into existing policy, could easily end up in an m. O. U. And then it ties the hands of the policymaker to make any changes around those matters that are constrained by the m. O. U. Supervisor haney i have a number of questions about the financial impacts of this. I will pause, chair mar. I dont know if supervisor preston has questions along this line as well. I have some questions on the finances. Chair mar thank you, supervisor haney. Supervisor peskin, do you have questions . Supervisor peskin i will defer to supervisor haney. Supervisor haney okay if i continue, chair mar . Chair mar please. Supervisor haney okay. I want to ask about some of the impacts of this, from a financial perspective. The wage increase deferrals seem clear that they pushed december 2020, 2 wage increase to june 2022, deferring a june 2020 wage increase to june 2023. But there seems to be some differences on the interpretation of the actual savings or even costs associated with that . What are the savings for those two deferrals . I see that d. H. R. Says in the cover letter that theres a certain set savings for each of the years and actually different numbers that the controller put forward. Can we get what the cost or savings are here . Controller rosenfield and i discussed that earlier this morning. Im going to defer to ben to answer that question. Good morning. Ben rosenfield, controller. Our costing analysis is attached to a letter thats in the file here today. And it details not just the total side bargaining unit, here before you, but also the steps involved in that calculation. Taken together we find that the m. O. U. S, that are in front of you, would save approximately 12 million for the first year of the contract, versus the current contract. And in the second year, would save approximately 6 million. Versus the ongoing costs created by the open by the modified contract. And then in year three, when the temporary wage deferrals expire and given the other terms of the contracts, thats where you see the increase of approximately 30 million in fiscal year 2223. Thats taking the elements both up and down the contracts and, supervisor haney, those are detailed in appendix 2 of our letter. I think the difference in the numbers that youre looking at, so our numbers here are complete presentation of all ups and downs in the contracts. I think the letter that d. H. R. Sent, first of all, was summing those totals across fiscal years to arrive at a cumulative number. And the number that they presented there is focusing simply on the wage deferral piece, which is a savings. That doesnt highlight some of the other Cost Increases in the contracts. I hope that helps with your questions. Supervisor haney yes. So if you take the Cost Increases actually in the outyears, this has a significant cost to the city. Can you speak, controller rosenfield, about considering i know you have some additional physical projections fiscal projections that are upcoming. Would you speak to why it is in the best interest of the city, from a fiscal perspective to save 12 million now, to spend over 30 million, you know, in two years. What is the fiscal reason for us to have such a need for this 12 million savings, so much so that we will spend more in out years. Thats fundamentally a choice. To clarify the contract amendment in front of you will generate savings, both the current fiscal year and next fiscal year. The increased costs accrues in fiscal year 2223. Two and a half years out now. I think the fundamental tradeoff, thats apparent in this bargaining cycle and in former bargaining cycles as well, is the desire to generate savings, given dramatic fiscal pressures. Those often do come at a tradeoff in the longer term. And this is consistent with bargaining that occurred in the Great Recession in the dot com bust as well. Its kind of is when is the dollar more valuable to you. I should also say that theres an elementary that it is unlikely that the city would be successful in collective bargaining, achieve nothing Cost Increases, should this amendment not be in place. So and so while were comparing in our letters these costs versus the current contract, unless the city were to achieve a wage freeze for fiscal year 22, fiscal year 23, there will be Cost Increases that will occur. Supervisor haney all right. So in the out years, you know, in 2223, we are seeing Cost Increases, but what youre saying is because the contract would be the m. O. U. Would be renegotiated next year, there would some element, maybe even more costs associated with that renegotiation . I think thats likely, supervisors. Ultimately that depends on how the city would fair in collective bargaining. And what an arbitrator will ultimately decide. But i cant recall a time that i worked for the city where the city ended up bargaining process, even during hard times, with two years without a wage increase. Supervisor haney can you, controller, speak to what the impact would be on this coming fiscal year, if there were to be voted down, just on the fiscal aspect of it. What happens . Sure. So if the if the amendment is rejected, it will result in cost rising by approximately 12 million for the fiscal year were not in. Its not accounted for in the budget. Above that 12 million, approximately 90 is paid for from the general fund. It would leave a set of choices about how the city might fond to that, should that occur. The city could appropriate additional funds to the police and Fire Departments to pay for that higherunit cost of their labor. And their workforce. Or the police and Fire Departments could reduce Service Levels and staffing to absorb that cost increase within currently approved [indiscernible] those are ultimately choices if we end up on that part of the decision tree, that would the mayor and the board could fundamental those fundamentally those are the dynamics. Supervisor haney i know we ask for somebody from the mayo mayors Budget Office to be here, and i dont think they were able to be here. What immediately happens is the Police Department or the Police Officers get the raise, if we vote this down, they get that raise. And then there would have to be a process to determine how that would be paid for essentially. Because its not accounted for in the budget. So voting this down means Police Officers get the raise immediately, as i understand it. And then would have to figure out how to pay for that. I know that ive heard that the mayor has indicated in some settings this would lead to layoffs, obviously not among police, but other workers that would be as you said, a choice. Director isen, can you speak to what a down vote on this would mean from a Labor Relations perspective . If the board were to reject this m. O. U. , would you go back and renegotiate it . What exactly would you do then . I would we would have to deal with it, just accept the outcome. The m. O. U. Is going to expire on its own terms in that case at the end of next june and well be back in bargaining. Just, you know, on the broader question of what it will do to Labor Relations, it will have a very neglect impact. It will be quite counterproductive in terms of working towards the reforms that everyone is seeking and believed to be the Common Objective here. We went to the unions and asked them to consider this. Our unions took that request in good faith. They worked with us. We came up with some numbers that are quite reasonable, that generate savings for the immediate timeframe, that have a wage increase in the year one of 3 , which is lower than what the miscellaneous employees are already slated to get. And so i think it would be considered to be very negative in terms of Labor Relations and it would i see ms. Preston here. I think it would cause a lot of scrambling on her part to figure out how to repair. I dont think it will happen any time soon. It would definitely damage our ability to have any trust amongst the parties, as it relates to reaching an agreement. Once you bargain an agreement, you can qthe union take it to the full membership and the entire membership votes on it. It would definitely, as ms. Isen said, we would have to go to full bargaining, of the entire contract. I think it would probably be one of the most contentious bargaining sessions the city would have, if we did not implement this. Id like to add one other thing that recently when since ive been employed in the Police Department, as these discussions have come up regarding Police Reform, ive had several along with the chief and the command staff, conversations with the p. O. A. The p. O. A. Has verbally and even has exchanged proposals in writing regarding a number of calls that they would agree that they should not go on as it relates to quality of life issues and homelessness issues. I just want to publicly say the p. O. A. Is not standing in the way of any of those proposals. As a matter of fact, they have written me three letters to say they would like to continue those discussions and speed them up as soon as possible. Since ive been there, we have reached agreement on all of the outstanding d. G. O. S, except four. I dont know if youve had an opportunity to look at the chart that i provided the committee yet. And those four items are going to closed session with the Police Commission on november the 18th. And one of the things one of the reasons i think ive been able to reach so many agreements with the p. O. A. Is because i believe that there is a level of trust there. I say what i mean and i mean what i say. And i expect them them to do the same thing. I just wanted to add that. Supervisor haney thank you, ms. Preston. Thank you for your work and everything that youve done to move forward some of those changes and working with bargaining units to get that done. So thank you for that. And i appreciate that update. My question was more around the next steps with the negotiations, which it sounds like what you would do is just accept next year. Next year you would go into the regular m. O. U. Negotiation process at the regular time, not doing i will just add one more point about this, supervisor. Because its come up. The police and fire unions, and in in our charter, and this goes back long before me, when they came off the same Civil Service list, theyre closely related in terms of labor and employment and pay. In fact, there is a parity arrangement contained in the firefighters m. O. U. That provides them parity pay with the Police Department. It would be my view and my request and intention, if you are going to reject the Police Officers t. A. , that we speak directly with the fire union offline, because they may not want to be in a position to be the only laboro thats not getting a raise in the end of december. Because this whats happening here was i would say from a Labor Relations perspective, is somewhat unexpected. Supervisor haney got it. Okay. A couple other more specific things. There is a what you referred to, director isen, as the me too clause. Otherred referred to as a parity clause. But you said that thats not the right way to describe it. It says general base wage increases, 15 plus one of them, covered by the Public Employee committee and the labor counsel and the city shall provide the general base wage, in the same amount. It does seem that this clause could open the door for additional wage increases, without needing additional negotiation or approvals. Is this something that is typical in a contract . And can you speak to the inclusion of it in this . That is colloquially referred to as the me, too,. Clause. I know going back at least to 2012, when the city was attempting to negotiate changes in employee contributions to health care premiums. Its deployed as a common technique. If one Labor Organization makes a decision for whatever its own reasons are, that it is willing to accept certain concessions or certain agreements, and no other or not all other Labor Agreement Labor Organizations are agreeing to those same concessions, its a way that the employer works to inoculate that union, who is taking that risk and taking the votes of their membership and not having unintended circumstances happen after their vote that causes to undermine their the risk that they took to be the first ones out of the box. So those are common clauses. That language is lifted directly from how it was used in 2012 around changing the health care premiums. You can find it in every single Labor Agreement in the city. Supervisor haney its a common thing thats in all of the Labor Agreements . Yeah. All it says is lets say, for example, miscellaneous unions decide tomorrow theyll come and engage in negotiations over the december wage increase. This is a pure hypothetical. And we agree. Okay, were going to were not going to pay in december. Were going to delay it until march. That me too would then require us to go back to police and fire and say, okay, this is what we negotiated with everybody else. Would you prefer that deal . It protects them from being the first ones out of the gate. And its very common technique thats used. And in the city going back a number of years. Supervisor haney what are the implications of the change to the retention pay policy with the m. O. U. . Its the retention policy changes are tied in with the changes to the the access to attendee overtime. The changes in the retention pay essentially eliminate what we thought was an incentive around sick leave, limiting sick leave use. And between the Police Department and d. H. R. And working with the union, weve determined that a better way to control sick leave use is through requiring good attendance to have access to the attendee overtime. The retention pay language had an unintended consequence of penalizing injured officers, who were on disability pay. So both sides have an incentive in resolving the outstanding issues that are contained in the growance. But th grievance. The matter was shifted over to the attendee overtime, which has been a long goal of the city and of the department to change that language. Supervisor haney got it. Okay. You know, one of the questions thats come up has been about the raises that are built in in the out years. Can you speak to the annual base wage increases in labor contracts with the city. And are there charter provisions that govern those increases . Or why are the increases what ner in the out years, in this m. O. U. . Theyre 3 a year. I believe that theyre relatively consistent with your fiveyear financial plan. In the first year, as i stated earlier, it is determinant with the last year of the miscellaneous contracts, which scheduled a 3. 5 wage increase, so its set below that. We negotiate wages in the city. But the local rules that govern how we negotiate those wages are contained within charter provisions. In the case of police and fire, the charter section is a8950. Very similar to the miscellaneous provisions. It has if we cannot agree ultimately on the matters under negotiation, its submitted to a tri parteid panel and the panel makes a ruling on the wages. So we all know thats the end game. We pay close attention to the factors enumerated in the charter about what determines an appropriate wage rate. Those factors are very broadly speaking are how much do we, what are the general raise raist we give all other City Employees, what is the labor market paying out in the world. Who do you look at, oakland, san jose, surrounding cities and counties. And whats the citys ability to fund those wage increases. And what is the market bearing, what is the city paying the other employees versus the citys ability to fund those increases. And thats how it works. We all know that. We all spend a great deal of time conducting those surveys, for all city employment and looking closely at the citys ability to pay. We can structure those items in details, both sides do this in preparation for bargaining. Well present it in negotiations. Well present it in the mediation process. And then if were forced into arbitration, because we really cant agree, we present the data to the arbitrator who makes a decision. We know that and we consider that when we look at how we do this. You know, its 3 is probably, as i say, consistent with projected costofliving and the first number is we we set it lower than the miscellaneous number. Both parties agreed. Supervisor haney so in what is included in the m. O. U. , the police are getting less in the out years, in this renegotiated the news hour tham. O. U. Than the other city workers are . If the first year. In the second year, we dont know yet, because the miscellaneous m. O. U. S will be expiring and well be renegotiating them. So that 3 , you know, becomes a factor in miscellaneous negotiations as well. Supervisor haney oh, youre saying so for the miscellaneous when we say miscellaneous, we mean like the other large groups of city workers . We mean everybody else except police and fire. Miscellaneous probably is a slight misnomer, it also includes the sheriffs department. Supervisor haney miscellaneous makes it sounds like a small group of folks, who dont fit in others . No. Supervisor haney the workforce is getting 3. 5 next year. Correct. Supervisor haney the police will get 3 . And if we were if it was a negotiation to give them less than that, it could go to arbitration, in which an through that process, thats how it would be decided . And, i know, depending on whats happening in other Police Agencies, that could have an impact. Now we know City Employees are getting a 3. 5 wage increase. That will be a factor. So we actually when i say we believe we delivered to you a very good deal, we did deliver you a good deal. On its terms. A lot of dissatisfaction ta its not tied to other financial issues. Which is what weve been talking about. Supervisor haney can you and then ill this is the last question ill ask for now. And then i do want to hear from Public Comment, which could spur other questions. But the overtime policy, can you speak to what this change is. And are there specific estimates of cost estimates of savings associated with it . So the so the change to the attendee overtime is we were noticing and the Police Department has long had challenges with time management in relation to outside overtime opportunities. Because those overtime opportunities, working the giants game to, you know, security work, whatever, for private employers, paid the overtime rate is, you know, can be an important component of an officers compensation. We had noticed patterns of sick leave usage that happened around the overtime. So we really, for a long time, have wanted to create a disincentive around that sick leave usage, by requiring a certain number of hours worked in order to be eligible for overtime. The overtime right now happens to be quite low. But as the economy picks back up, it will pick up. And now we have new rules in place. So only officers with excellent attendance on a quarterly lookback are going to have access to that overtime. Its going to remove for the chief, you know, a major problem with, you know, Workforce Management and attendance. You know, we tried to build that into retention pay, which is a very common feature of compensation across all Police Agencies in the bay area. We pay it to be competitive. And we attempt toed to use that attempted to use that in sick leave controls. It worked to some extent, except it also had a very negative, unintended consequence of really hurting injured officers. And so, you know, it just made more sense for everybody involved to attach it to the attendee, rather than to the retention. Supervisor haney thank you. Chair mar, im done with questions now. Chair mar okay. Thanks, supervisor haney, for all of those very good questions. Colleagues, before we go to Public Comment, and i know i understand theres quite a few folks that are waiting on the line to speak, i did have some questions for deputy City Attorney ann pearson. Just to get clarity on the boards role in the m. O. U. Labor agreements. And the meet and confer process. So deputy City Attorney pearson, are you still here . Yes, im here. Chair mar great. Thank you. Can you could you clarify the boards authority over m. O. U. Labor agreements, that are before us. Of course. The board is to accept or to reject the m. O. U. Thats brought to you. So theres no authority to change any of the terms, just to accept or reject. Chair mar great. Could you also classified the citys obligation to meet and confer under the meyers brown act. I think director isen has done a great job generally describing it. But under state law, under the mmba, whenever the city adopts a law, Charter Amendment rule, that would have an impact on issues that are within the scope of bargaining, the city is required to give notice to a bargaining unit. If that bargaining unit accepts asking for the city to bargain, then they need to bargain and they need to do that to impasse. And as director isen mentioned, the rules governing our impasse procedures are in our charter. Chair mar thank you. Then who makes the determination of whether a regulation or ordinance has significant and adverse effects on working conditions, that would confer a meet and confer . Also under our charter, the department of Human Resources has the authority and the power to administer this entire process, the meet and confer process. So its within the jurisdiction and discretion of d. H. R. To decide which policies and laws would trigger the meet and confer process. Finally, what authority does the board have over the meet and confer process . Well, in light of the fact that meet and confer is regulated by state law and in light of the fact that the charter assigns the responsibility to the department of Human Resources and its director, the board really doesnt have significant authority with respect to that process. The authority of the board really is to accept or to reject the m. O. U. S that are brought to it, at the culmination of that process. Chair mar thank you. Okay. Thank you, deputy City Attorney pearson. Why dont we go to Public Comment. Mr. Clerk, are there callers on the line . Clerk thank you, mr. Chair. Just a moment. Operations is checking to see if we have any callers in the queue who wish to speak for the items that are called right now. That means all of the m. O. U. Items are called right now, including the m. O. U. For the Police Officers association, with its included and related settlement. Mr. Coup, please let us know if we have callers ready. For those connected to the meeting via phone, please press star followed by 3. If you wish to speak for this item. For those already on hold in the queue, please continue to wait until youre prompted to begin. Youll hear a prompt that informs you that your line has been unmuted. For those who are watching our meeting on cable channel 26 or streaming link or through sfgovtv. Org, if you wish to speak on these items, these nine ordinances, please call in now by following the instructions that are on your screen. That would be by dialing 415 6550001. Then by entering the meeting i. D. For todays meeting, which is 146 565 7778. Youll be prompted to press the pound symbol. You should press the pound symbol twice to enter the meeting and star followed by 3 to enter the queue to speak. Mr. Coup, could you please connect us to our first caller. Caller hello . Clerk yes, please. Caller i live and work in district 6. Im calling for demand the g. O. A. Committee reject the contract renegotiation. And does not pass it out of committee. The thing is whether or not this contract limits reform. We have the option right now to ask the policy concessions. Its happening in other cities, cities which are not such progressive as San Francisco alleges to be. Sure, you may have heard by now that chicago is in the middle of negotiating its Police Fraternity contract and theyre asking for 40 disciplinary concessions. Why is San Francisco asking for no policy concessions, even after months of protests and police brutality. And Police Violence. I really realize that the d. H. R. May say that its a good financial decision for the city. But thats not why were calling in today. Were not calling in because of the poor financial decisions. Its not a financial issue to us, when people are getting killed in the street. Its a moral issue. You know, even after decades of socalled reform, 76 of uses of force in court last year against people of color. Sfpd officers others useofforce categories reduce less than 3 from 2016, from 1142 to 1110. Police fraternitieses are dangerous and, you know, Police Unions led to 60, 70 additional civilians killed each year. Clerk thank you for your commenting. Mr. Coup, could you connect us to the next caller, please. Caller hello, can you hear me . Clerk yes, we can hear you. Caller im a member of the collective, which is an activist group. Im calling on behalf of others here to reject the contract. There has been many people hitting the streets, impact families demanding that the police are defunded, disarmed and disband. We have to create change. We have to prevent the people who are dying in communities, that are the most vulnerable, are getting impacted to the degree to families [indiscernible] going to the governors house to demand justice for their brothers. People are dying in the city, that also has to be addressed, too. I just want to reaffirm what weve been saying in please reject the contract please be progressive. Please do not in the midst of the elections, allow people to be killed. Because thats what youre doing by allowing the contract to keep going. Thank you. Clerk thank you very much for your comments. Mr. Coup, could we have the next caller, please. Caller hi. Im will callaway. I live and work in district 8. Im calling for demand that he reject the Police Officer associations contract renegotiation. And does not pass it out of committee. Listeningto the meeting, as its kind of covering the topic, this is a labor issue that the committee is worried about approaching the fraternal the Police Fraternity as an adversary in terms of negotiations. And the response i feel to that is that the police broadly that the fraternity organization specifically adversaries to the people of San Francisco with their repeated dissension of the topic and racist and homophobic elements of the sfpd, as the sfpd continues to engage in a systematic targeting of black and brown citizens within our city. The contract the contract is a reputation of the hope that we the city can grow and change and hope for a better and fair life for all of our citizens. And allowing it to pass through so easily and without future negotiations, as public, is simply an act of cowardness. Thank you. Clerk thank you very much for your comments and for participating in the conversation. Could we get the next caller, please. Caller hi. My name is lucas bergstrom. I live in district 8. And i want to agree with the last caller that i dont think the kind of discussion that were hearing reflects the kind of fundamental change in relationship that San Francisco citizens need and want from the Police Department. I believe we should reject the agreement, because it doesnt do anything to defund the department. It doesnt do anything to kind of just reflect the desire to move money and move money somewhere else, move influence towards like away from the department that has acted in ways that have been harmful, especially to black and brown residents of San Francisco. And, yeah, i just i would urge the people to not be stuck on what the relationship with the p. O. A. Has historically been, but where we need to be in our relationship with them. Thank you. Clerk thank you very much for your comments, mr. Bergstrom. Could we get the next caller, please. Clerk do we have a caller on the line . Your time is beginning. Caller okay. Yeah. Hello, jeremy miller. I would turn your attention to a resolution from october the 21st, where u. A. W. 2865 pointed out that it is at position of this organization, Police Unions, to vote the interest of labor broadly and black workers in particular. Historically and temporarily Police Unions serve the interests of Police Forces as an arm of the state. Theyre quote unionallation allows them to mass inquir to s the working class. Take steps to serve the interests of its plaque workers and Community Members. So theres a nationwide push right now to disacknowledge the legitimate collective bargaining status of quote unquote Police Unions. In addition, under government code 3508, part of the meyersmiliasbrown act, this body, the board of supervisors is authorized to deny them collective bargaining rights on the basis that they have met met and confer rights that another not entitled to on issues that are not hours, working conditions, wages, programs, et cetera. And this has been a standard since 1978. The courts have acknowledged that use of force, which this particular organization the p. O. A. Constantly demands meet and confer over, therefore, obstructing reforms. Since 1978, the case was Peace Officers Association versus the city of san jose, clearly define that useofforce not a meet and confer category. So this is an organization that is crooked, that has been terrorizing the San Francisco Labor Commission for years. Has been extorting the city and county for more money for years. It is not a legitimate collective bargaining agent. And we need to stand up to this clerk thank you very much, mr. Miller, for participating in the discussion. If we could be connected to the next caller, please. Caller hi, can you hear me . Clerk yes, we can hear you. Please begin. Caller hello. Okay. Thank you. Hi, my name is yaky. I was born and raised in San Francisco. And i currently live in district 1. I am a member of the ccfs collective and calling for demand that this contract be rejected by the g. A. O. Committee, because the city has shown the people of the city have shown this year that we are not going to stand down to police brutality. And we have demanded an end to Police Violence in San Francisco and across the country. But these demands are getting ignored. Instead, theyve confronted to murder. [indiscernible] murdered on the streets and a man in crisis and murdered by sfpd last month. And so, you know, any time of reform has absolutely not been implemented. And we need reforms. Because of contract offers no policy concessions to prevent the killing of other people. Other cities are changing the contracts in order to meet these concessions. Im demanding that this contract be rejected that and a hearing, multiple hearings are held to uphold the d. H. R. Accountable for the deep lack of transparency during this Contract Negotiation. And also to demand that we gather new you gather information and input from the communities of San Francisco of what we want and what we need for future negotiations. This is a historic moment. And i dont know why were not including these policy concessions. Why is San Francisco not showing that theyre hearing our communities and, you know, addressing the racist brutality thats been ongoing for generations. I demanding that you reject the contract and hear the people of San Francisco. Thank you very much. Clerk thank you very much for your comments. Could we be connected to the next caller, please. Caller hi. Good afternoon. My name is erin mcgovern. I lib in district 9 and calling for demand the g. A. O. Committee reject the Police Officer associations contract renegotiation and does not pass it out of committee. Why is San Francisco asking for no policy concessions, even after months of protests against Police Violence and yet another Police Killing of a man in crisis less than a month ago. California d. O. J. And the sfpd implicit bias trainer described the level of antiblack bias in sfpd as extreme. Last year black people made up only 5 of the city population, but accounted for almost 40 of all police searches and 50 of the jail population. In the Fourth Quarter of last year 2019, latinx made up 15 , but accounted for 24 of useofforce victims. And 21 of the jail population. Even after decades of socalled reforms, 76 of uses of force in q4 last year were against people of color. Sfpd officers still pointed their guns at people 2. 4 times a day and other useofforce categories decreased less than 3 from 2016 from 1142 to 1110. Stand up to our citys racist Police Fraternity, reject the p. O. A. Contract, and make all future negotiations public. Thank you. Clerk thank you very much for your comments. Could we get the next caller, please. Caller hello, my name i reside in district 7 in San Francisco. Im a ccs student. Im asking to reject the racists p. O. A. New contract and note that theyre racist, because of the way that he reacted to the reforms, not always a percentage. But the way that their attitude has been towards it. [indiscernible] and the reactions that we see at protests. And id like to tell you also, im 20 years old. The actions that have received great numbers of people have been organized by people younger than me. And were looking for an overhaul of the entire way that this is done. So basing what your decisions are off of whats normally accepted and, oh, 12 million now, we know that the deficit in the city is thats nothing. Its not going to stand forever. Were prepared to keep on trying until we see the changes that we need or until we know that people, who live after us, will eventually see the changes that we need. So please represent what the current landscape of your this city is asking for. Thats it. Reject the p. O. A. Contract. Clerk thank you very much for your comments. Could we get the next caller connected to the call please. Caller hi. So, first off, i wanted to say that you should fill the 12 million hole in the budget with a budget supplement. The d. H. R. Made an argument that its old and doesnt meet the meet and confer. Thats true. We should not have meet and confer, over deaf [indiscernible]. The reality this is used in a lawsuit or lawsuit threats by the sfpoa. You need to limit meet and confer, to have an adversarial relationship with p. O. A. It appears that shes values her relationship within the sfpoa relationship. She has one job to have an adversarial relationship with the sfpoa. No provision in the california state law under animato wage conditions along side policing membership. Completely different position in 2018. One she added d. O. J. Form that was dissent also reject this contract. Let it go to june 2021. Because it proves we have to be at. Theyll never have the political will to not meet and confer over a variety of issues. So reject the contract. I know you know better. Here is an explanation. If youre not sure, consult a real lawyer, no not the City Attorney. Reject the contract. Reject the contract. Reject the contract. Reject the contract. Reject the contract. Reject the contract. Reject the contract. Reject the contract. Reject the contract and pass a budget supplement for sfpd. And also dont determine reject the contract. Reject the contract. Reject it. Reject it. Easy. Reject the contract. Im just going to say reject the contract until the time goes off. Reject the contract. Reject the contract. Reject the contract. Clerk thank you for your comments. We we get the next caller, please. This is john crew. That was a remarkable presentation from d. H. R. You could then say that there is nothing in the m. O. U. That is slowing reform. Well, i disagree. Many Community Advocates disagree. We would like to disagree. They never asked us. They seem to believe that they can pursue a Police Union Contract without any connection. In fact, the problem is theres nothing in the m. O. U. That speeds reform. Now ms. Isen claimed correctly that the bargaining unit cannot be compelled to wage you cannot impose a waiver of state labor rights. Thats not what the demand is. Thats not what this position was in 2018. It was to bargain it in exchange for 3 pay raises. There, in fact, things in contract now that are waivers of state labor rights. That is the exact same provision that commissione isen said in wf the city. Now shes claiming that she took that position quote unquote under duress. What does under duress mean . A public hearing with the board of supervisors, members of the Committee Said we need to make sure reform is in our contract proposal to the bargaining unit. Their job is not to manage a relationship. Theyre worried about the trust between themselves and the p. O. A. They have no concern whatsoever about the trust between the public and the police. And, indeed, the argument is you heard ms. Isen claim we never bargain on permissive subjects of bargaining. The chief of police told you the opposite just a couple of weeks ago. In your long hear, the chief of police admitted that some things had been sent to meet and confer that shouldnt have. You need to reject this. Open up the process so its fully informed and reflect public demand. Their position is were doing the best we can. Nobody accepts this. Clerk thank you very much for participating in the discussion, mr. Crew. Could we get the next caller, please. Caller hello. Clerk yes, youre connected to government audits. Please begin. Caller my name is caitlin wolf. I live in district 9. Im a former oregoner and current member of the u. A. W. Local 4123. I demand that the Committee Rejects the Police Contract renegotiation. When i was raped in 2017, the sfpd special victims units officers were verbally abusive to me and pressured me to take action i was uncomfortable with. At the hospital, i told them i wasnt sure if i wanted to press charges and the officer screamed at me and accused me. Throughout the process, officers disregarded my Mental Health and i sobbed through multiple interactions, involving identifying my rapist. The case was randomly assigned to a person i didnt meet in person. He had spoken to my rapist and he barely remembered me. I consider my experience with the sfpd far more traumatic than the rape itself. I looked at the salary of the main officer who led the case, and they made 221,399. They need accountability and transparency, not a raise. The police union corrupt the values of solidarity into a dangerous cult as racism, rape apologetics and downright incompetence. Again please reject the contract for the good of San Francisco. End of comment. Clerk thank you very much for your comments. Could we get the next caller, please. Caller i just want to say thank you for the next call for being so vulnerable and once again showing the board how violent sfpd is, not only in in everything that they do. My name is edith and i live in district 11. Im calling for demand that the g. A. O. Committee reject the contract renegotiation and does not pass it out of committee, like so many callers before me. I listened to the argument that reforms shouldnt be part of the m. O. U. Theyre opportunities for reform are critical. The p. O. A. Has routinely pushed for oversights. Highly funded prop h, 2018, that tried to get the public to overturn pay reforms or when they threatened a lawsuit this kneel on the nexts of san franciscans, weeks after the move killed george floyd. The other callers mentioned other Police Violence issues. Our lives are on the line. If sfpd can shoot from the chest four times, even if we dont have a gun, we should have a say in the m. O. U. Negotiations and any opportunity dealing with taxpayer money. I come from labor family. But raises for sfpd, cops who routinely used to break up labor actions, putting people in the hospital, its an insult. Raises for cops some of the highest paid city workers means less money for those who provide real Public Safety such as teachers and social workers. Please, supervisors, reject this p. O. A. Contract. Have the political will to stand up for this and make all future negotiations public. Dont let them abuse meet and confer. Its ridiculous. Thank you. I yield my time. Clerk thank you very much, edith. Could we get the next caller, please. Caller hello. Im a reporter with alaw 91. 7 f. M. I have two questions for the committee, if they have time to answer it. Id really appreciate it. First off, im interested in knowing what the next step is, when there will be a decision or a vote on the matters being discussed today in regards to the Police Contract. And whether or not there will be reform and the m. O. U. And secondly, for someone who is not so steeped in labor negotiations, and, you know, working the contracts, could you briefly define m. O. U. , what meet and confer means. And then also clerk im going to pause your time for just a moment. Im going to pause your time for just a moment. To let you know the Public Comment period is one direction only. This is your opportunity to provide comments to the committee about your opinions on the items. If you have any clerical questions about the way that these items move around, you can email me. Or you can call me after the meeting is over. You will find my Contact Information on the front page of the agenda. And you still have time. Im going to begin it again if you have comments for the committee. Caller no further comments for the committee. Question. I just have questions. I guess i will talk to the person organizing the meeting. Thanks for your time. Clerk thank you very much for your comments. Mr. Coup, could you connect us to the next caller, please. Caller hi. My name is joe patel. I live in the district 9. And im a member of the i. W. W. Union. Im calling to demand that the g. A. O. Committee rejects the Police Officers Association Contract, renegotiation and doesnt pass it out of committee. I have lived in San Francisco all my life. And ive, you know, since i was a kid, even didnt really understand these things. Ive been seeing reports of Police Shooting unarmed people and have been hearing reports from friends of mine of being harassed and called racial slurs by the San Francisco Police Department. I think that its you know, its just crazy to not try to negotiate the contract, if you want progress, then instead of just folding over and doing exactly what the police union asks, you might as well actually take this as an opportunity to make changes that citizens of San Francisco clearly want to see. Other cities are doing this. I think we can, too. And why not why not at least try to make a change that is so clearly, so overwhelmingly popular in the city of San Francisco. Thats my whole comment. Thank you. Clerk thank you very much for sharing your comments. Mr. Coup, could you connect us to the next caller, please. Caller hi. My name is sam thorpe. Im a rent of district 4. Im calling for demand the g. A. O. Committee reject the Police Officers Association Contract renegotiation, like so many of the other callers. And demand that it does not pass out of the committee. Despite widespread demands this summer for a transformation to our Public Safety approach, the p. O. A. Contract perpetuates the racist status quo and gives sfpd two additional years of raises. And it also has a parity clause, giving the p. O. A. Any additional benefits earned by the city workers that create Public Safety, like the nurses, teachers and other essential workers. You know, we just want to make sure that the p. O. A. Is held accountable, just like other cities like chicago are doing in their negotiations, with their Police Fraternity. Theyre asking for 40 disciplinary reforms and all had negotiations in public. We are demanding the same transparency and the same accountability in the contract. Passing this p. O. A. Contract is racism. Im deming like all of the other callers to stand up to the Police Fraternity, to reject this contract and make all future negotiations public. Thank you. Clerk thank you for your comments. Mr. Coup, could you connect us to the next caller, please. Caller hi. My name is alex. I live in district 6. Like everyone else, im calling to demand that the Committee Reject the p. O. A. Contract, that upholds the racist status quo. Reformist reforms are not going to cut it. And the movement to reimagine Public Safety is never going to quit while we all, especially black and brown folks, suffer. If you are on this committee and are listening and you call yourself a progressive or even just a representative of the people, listen to the people. Were in the streets in the summer and there were yeah. The energy was there. And its not going to quit. Other cities are doing this. We can do this, too. End our citys police racist fraternity. Reject the p. O. A. Contract. Make all future negotiations public. Im done. Clerk thank you very much for your comments. Mr. Coup, could you connect us to the next caller, please. Caller hello. My name is jennifer pollock. I live in district 5. Before i start my comments, i was wondering how many people are in the line . Can you answer that question for me . Clerk i dont have the answer to that question. Please continue. Okay. So i live in district 55. Im a San Francisco resident. Im calling, like everyone else, to demand the g. A. O. Committee reject the p. O. A. Contract renegotiation and does not pass it out of committee. In it seems unreasonable to think that we should be using the same history that weve had the Police Fraternity, in a time when nothing is the same. The racist p. O. A. Contract allows police to continue to lack transparency and accountability. They attempted legal action to reject policies like prohibiting officers from shooting at moving cars, which is how they murdered Jessica Williams. Its preposterous no policy opposings. We need concessions. There have been months of protests. You know what the people want. Theyre in the streets. Were telling what you we want. And just a month ago, another Police Officer killed a man in crisis, murdered a man in crisis. We know that the bias and the San Francisco Police Department is described as extreme, in terms of antiblack racism. And we know that there needs to be policy concessions. We should be using this opportunity to get those policy concessions and show the north of the country what a progressive city can be doing in terms of making the police work for the people. And i just want to call out the call hor spoke about their own personal experience. I know so many people in San Francisco who have had similarly violent experiences with the police. Theyre here to serve us. Were giving them this kind of money. We need to make sure that theyre held accountable. Again i ask that the g. A. O. Reject the p. O. A. Contract. Clerk thank you very much for your comments, jennifer. I did receive updates we have 50 callers listening to the call right now. Could we be connected to the neck caller who is in line. Caller hi, my name is nick spencer. I live and work in district 5. Im calling for ask they reject the contract and do not pass it out of committee. First, i want to address some of the d. H. R. Said that we dont want to reject this contract. We can still address Police Violence systematically without doing so. We can walk and chew gum at the same time. Top ask no concessions athe racial reckoning in the country, state and city this summer is absolutely tonedeaf. This time of inaction in the face of the public is systemic impasse. When the people speak and our elected officials do not respond, they lose confidence and they stop voting and we stop seeing our Public Institutions reflect the will of the people. This is way bigger than just this contract. People have spoken. You need to act. Another thing i want to address that the d. H. R. Presentation, if you reject the contract, its going to lead to contentious bargaining. This should be contentious bargain. We stood up, we walked through the streets. It is contentious. With a little bit of nitpicky, but someone said earlier, from the d. H. R. Presentation, 3 rejected cost of living increase is expected, to include the longterm raises in the contract. You know, in the chronicle that s. F. Deploys as much as 31 , the steepest decline in the united states. 3 projected impact in costofliving in San Francisco, you need to update your numbers. All right, you know, im not going to list off the statistics. But it was said earlier, ill say it again, im not here to call them racist or a single Police Officer is racist, but the outcomes are racist. Youve seen the numbers and we need to address this is tied to the movement weve seen in the streets. Finally, i want to bring it home that this committee is where democracy is in action. We elect you to represent us. [bell dings] clerk such for your comments, mr. Spencer. Could we have the next caller, please. Caller can you hear me . Clerk yes, we can. Please begin. Caller my name is anne. I live in district 8. And im calling, like many other callers, to demand that the g. A. O. Committee reject the Police Officers Association Contract. The renegotiation and does not pass it out of committee. As weve seen, thousands of people have hit the streets in San Francisco demanding an end to Police Violence. Nothing has changed. As many callers have brought up, hunted down a man in crisis and killed him in the streets. And despite a widespread demands for transformation, and a new approach to Public Safety, this perpetuates the racist status quo. Two additional years of raises and offers no policy concessions to prevent officers from killing another person. Also adds a parity clause, which gives the p. O. A. Any additional benefits earned by the city workers, that create Public Safety, like nurses, teachers and other essential workers. Weve seen changes across the country with police fraternities being held accountable, like in chicago. And we are asking for something similar. We want to see actual accountability in the police fraternities in San Francisco. The p. O. A. Has a long history defending officers who have engaged in racist and homophobic scandals, committed extreme acts of violence in our committee, including the kills of dozens of black and brown san franciscans. This past june, they threatened a lawsuit to continue to kneel on the necks of people in our city. Just weeks after george floyd was killed. Please, please do not pass this contract. Please listen to the people on the line today, the people who live in this city, who just want our Police System to be head accountable. Clerk such for your comments. Could we be connected to the next caller, please. This m. O. U. Is fraud. I want to address a couple of things that i heard during the hearing. The first is the suggestion that something in the charter, d. H. R. Under the mmda prohibit the changes the Bar Association is asking for. Thats completely inaccurate. Look at a8590, the section that was referenced. It doesnt touch or require anything about how meetings are cuttinged. It can be the subject of legislation, if the d. H. R. Wont fix it themselves. Youre getting bad advice from the City Attorneys office as well as d. H. R. Think of prop e, the Police Staffing measure. The same thing happened. D. H. R. And the City Attorney gave the supervisors bad advice, claimed the issue had to be met and confirsteverred over. That was wrong. The voters passed it overwhelmingly by 70 and where is the p. O. A. Lawsuit . There isnt one. The second thing to address is supervisor haneys discussion about whether concessions with the p. O. A. Needed to be embedded or memorialize in the m. O. U. Thats a hold red herron argument. Obviously opposings can be concessions can be in police policies. They need to be linked to reforms and negotiation. Finally, i want to talk about the management issue. Chairman mar is correct. The document does obligate the city to negotiate over Management Issues. Any proposed change in general orders or other matters, within the scope of representation, have to be noticed. Its not just a notice provision. The next sentence says, the association shall be provided with the opportunity to meet and confer with regard to any such change, should it desire to do so. The claim that the parties understand that this only covers working conditions is false. Weve been in this hearing working on d. O. J. Reforms since the beginning. Weve seen d. H. R. Negotiate Management Issues time and time again. It happen with bodyworn cameras. [bell dings] clerk thank you very much for your comments. Could we get the next caller, please. Caller hello. My name is galen. I was born in San Francisco. I live in district 10. I work in district 7, where im a member of csuu chapter 305 of the San Francisco say the university. Im calling today to demand the g. A. O. Committee reject the Police Officers contract renegotiation and do not pass it out of committee. You know this renegotiation is exactly what they want. Not only do they get two years in raise, and lack of transparency and accountability that they demanded to 2023. It sets them up to negotiate the next contract in an election year, giving them a lot more leverage. The m. O. U. Should be explicitly limited to say, one, we dont have to meet and confer on this. Two, a list of issues we do not have to meet and confer on. You, the board of supervisors, and the Police Commission can make policy changes. Three, here are the reforms this is contingent on. Why is San Francisco opting for no policy concessions, why no concessions after another Police Killing of a man in crisis. Just less than a month ago. As a union member, i do not see police fraternitieses of legitimate unions. They have unfettered power in our city. Police contracts should not be tied to Union Contracts for teachers, City Employees and firefighters. Firefighters arent taking a raise. And the fact that the Police Raises are tied to teachers and City Employees, who make half the salary is obscene. Save money in 2023, try abolishing the sfpd. Please stand up to our citys racist Police Fraternity and reject this contract. Make all future negotiations public. No more closeddoor secret meetings with the mayor. You know, yall can do better. Thank you. Clerk thank you for your comments. Mr. Coup, could you connect us to the next caller, please. Caller hi. Good afternoon, members. This is rebecca young. Im a member of the Bar Association, criminal Justice Reform task force. Im a member of the San Francisco public defenders committee. I live in district 9. The people of San Francisco deserve a better agreement. D. H. R. s claim that this m. O. U. Is a good deal for the city is patently ridiculous. We are requesting a twoweek postponement of an up and down vote on the p. O. A. M. O. U. , so that the board of supervisors at sufficient time for informed discussion amongst Board Members. The quandary that the board of supervisors finds itself in is the direct result of collective bargaining with a Public Employee unit. Theyre asking for transparency to p. O. A. Collective bargaining. And contrary to d. H. R. s characterization, theyre not asking for language to be added to the m. O. U. , that would further tie the citys hands. We are asking for one phrase to be amended and thats that any change to the d. G. O. Goes to meet and confer. We would instead like that to read, any changes, not covered by management matters can go to meet and confer. Despite d. H. R. s representations here, the p. O. A. M. O. U. Has historically been used to disempower the Police Commission and the command staff, when they intend to effect reforms. The policy matters [indiscernible] must be aware that the p. O. A. Routinely pulls into meet and confer, matters that are exclusively within the management purview. San francisco deserves better and this city can do better and to hold other bargaining units hostage, because of the police union insistence on not changing its m. O. U. To exclude management matters from meet and confer, is shameful. [bell dings] i would like to [. Clerk thank you very much for participating in the discussion. Mr. Coup, could you connect us to the next caller, please. Caller hi. First of all, [indiscernibl [indiscernible]. And by the way, we can respond to Public Comment under the brown act. So that was misinformation. Also i want to offer my sympathy and appreciation of the courage of the woman who had to experience rape and then mistreatment by the Police Department. Now left on your shoulders to stop this insanity of giving Police Raises without any agreements for transparency or stopping the endless meet and confer closed meetings, that have nothing to do with basic labor negotiations. Yes, i understand you can only reject or accept, but you can reject and then publicly advocate and lobby for changes. Takes cuts in salary and giving the Police Raises after public outrage of Police Behavior is unconscionable. Mayor breed did this secretly encouraging p. O. A. To pop up their chest and bully the city. It shows a complete lack of disrespect for the Police Commission, who rejected the Police Budget unanimously and locked out of any further discussion. Police unions are on their way out, because this behavior has gone on unimpeded for decades. The police, in fact, are the one who stand against unions when they strike or protest. Other unions are calling for their disbanding, as are the people across the nation. The idea that the Police Wanted their officers to see the body cams, to get the justice, its a perfect example of what is so wrong with our present meet and confer situation. The choice should be that police reduce their staff to absorb the law. This would be a small concession to the public demand to defund the police and refund the committee. But at least head in us in the right direction. One last point. Any police that want to work for private companies, should do it [bell dings] clerk thank you for your comments. Mr. Coup, could you connect us to the next caller, please. Caller can you hear me . Clerk yes, we can. Please begin. Caller hello. Yes. My name is jessica. I reside in district 9 and im calling for the g. A. O. To please reject this renegotiation contract. The contract renegotiation. Ive been listening in on to the discussions. And there is while there is nothing saying that there will be no reforms, that there wont be changing to the reforms at this time, no requirement asking so. The fact that theyre behind closed doors, also lends to believe that theres not that this negotiation is not to be trusted. Considering how the very public outcry against our Current Police standards and continuing on with the violence that were seeing to our black and brown communities, the San Francisco Police Department, skill this the g. A. O. To please reject the Police Officers Association Contract renegotiation. Thank you. Clerk thank you very much for sharing your comments. Could we be connected to the next caller, please. Caller hi. I work in district 9. Im calling to demand the g. A. O. Committee reject the racist p. O. A. Contract renegotiation. And call a public hearing to provide transparency into future Contract Negotiations. The p. O. A. Has [indiscernible] at this point its an easy pass to say they just engage in the behavior. The whole entity of policing is racist. And i think something very backwards to ask the racist p. O. A. To hold a racist Police Accountable. Sfpd needs a bias trainer, described the level of antiblack as extreme. More points to the abolition here. Antibias training does not work. [indiscernible] this is just one step into Harm Reduction abolition. Reject this contract, absolutely more that you can all do here to just reject this. You all can make the right choices and truly stand by and listen to your constituents. Im done with my comment. I just request that you announce how many callers are listening to the call and in line. Clerk thank you for your comments. Could we be connected to the next caller, please. Caller caller my name is carry nicks. Im a former Health Care Union adviser with. Im calling for demand the g. A. O. Committee reject the Police Officers Association Contract renegotiation and does not pass it out of committee. I want to thank the caller who spoke earlier are the rape that she experienced. I was raped by the brother of a the Police Officer took my report, knew my brother and i believe he added ambiguity to the report. Collective bargaining rights [indiscernible] the p. O. A. , meanwhile, is abusing meet and confer to legalize their charter. And especially black and brown communities. Tens of thousands of people hit the streets of San Francisco demanding the end of Police Violence. But nothing changed. Just this past month, sfpd hunted down a man, a man in crisis and killed him in the streets. Across the country, collective bargaining is beginning to hold police fraternities accountable. Negotiations with their police fraternitieses. They had all negotiations in public. Philadelphia even passed a law prohibiting contract talks with their Police Fraternity. Thats your responsibility for them not to operate under the shadows. Includes the killings of dozens of black and brown citizens. This past june, they threatened a lawsuit to kneel on the necks of san franciscans, weeks after the killing of george floyd. As previous callers voiced, p. O. A. Is not a legitimate labor group. The g. A. O. Committee has the power to reject the contract. The people of San Francisco want you to reject the p. O. A. This renegotiation is exactly what the p. O. A. Wants. They get two additional years of raises and [bell dings] clerk thank you very much for sharing your comments, carrie. Could we get the next call, please. Caller i live and work in San Francisco. Im a member of black, the foundation of this country. Im calling for demand that the g. A. O. Committee rejects the Police Officer Association Contract renegotiation. And does not pass it out to the committee. I was practicing at General Hospital and try to experience harm on july 8th. I asked for the badge numbers of the officers who laughed in my face. And to this day i have not received one. I will not go back until every sheriff is out. I deserve to feel safe as i save lives. A militarized racist force does not provide safety to all. Theres substantial evidence that police cause to the most marginalized group. Less than 1 hospitals use cost of security, in fact, we know better ways than to retraumatize people, to terrorize communities who are seeking safety and care, where do we go when we cant go to our hospitals or schools without your militarized, weaponized, killing, murderous system. Our city officials need to do better. We demand it. We pay your salaries with our hard work. Where are you, where is your backbone. Why do you allow these threatening forces to let your humanity down. If you dont see our community, who does. Thats why we hit the streets on october 17th. I was physically harmed by an officer haung. He shoved me and i did nothing but stand. I did not hurt him. I did not do anything to him. Where is the deescalation training there. They stood there. Because i knew my people would be harmed. Where are you for your people . Do not fall for their lies. [bell dings] who cares what they threaten you with. Clerk okay. Thank you very much for sharing your comments. Mr. Coup, could you connect us to the next caller. Caller wow sorry. What a powerful what a powerful personal experience from that previous caller. Thank you so much for sharing that. Wow okay. My name is camille martinez. I live and work in the Mission District 9. I want to thank that previous caller and all of the other previous callers for theiring their heartwrenching stories. Like those who called before me, im demanding that the g. A. O. Committee fully correct the policPolice Officer reject te Police Officers contract. The negotiation is exactly what the p. O. A. Wants. They lock in the lack of transparency and accountability through 2023 and sets them up to negotiate their contract in a Mayoral Election year, when theyll have more leverage. Police officers are already grossly overpaid with the median sfpd cop salary making 190,236. Over 60 higher than nurses and twice as much as city workers, who are providing real quality of life that prevent crime in our opportunity. P. O. A. Contract gives sfpd two additional years of raises and this parity clause, which gives the p. O. A. Any additional benefits earned by the city workers, like nurses, that called before. Teachers, the other essential workers, its an insult to the Civil Servants providing real, life affirming, Community Building care. Please do the right thing. Be on the right side of history. On tuesday, the most important election of our lifetime, san franciscans rejected violence, racism, bigotry, in the nations highest office. We also voted to reduce the number of sfpd officers with prop e. And to add oversight to the sheriffs prop d. The board of supervisors should be representing the interests of the community, not the p. O. A. Stand up to our citys racist Police Fraternity. Reject this p. O. A. Contract. And make all future negotiations public. [bell dings] reject the contract. Reject the contract. Clerk thank you very much for sharing your comments. Can you please connect us to the next caller. Caller hi. My name is amanda and i live in district 1. I love love i moved from to n francisco from kenosha, wisconsin. [indiscernible] you call yourselves progressive. You dont need to call the people out on the streets. We need more than reform. After decades of socalled reform, 76 of use of force occurred before last year, against people of color. 2 of those received harm. They still pointed their guns at people 2 1 2 times per day. At the very least, we need public transparency into these negotiations and policy concessions. Bleb [ please stand by ] [inaudible] i believe we may have lost the caller on the line. Hello . Clerk we are having many troubles hearing you, so please continue now. All right. Ill try. I guess i will just say a less polite way is we should be abolishing the police. This is a path particular excuse for some sort of oversight whereas an individual in power in some sort of power on a weekday, its really sad that this is the level of politics we have, but i encourage you to do the very obvious thing of rejecting the contract and allowing the public to weighin more democratically. Hope you can hear that. Clerk we did hear your comments. Thank you very much for being persistent. Can we be connected to the next caller, please. Hi. First, id like to report on how many callers are listening and how many are in the queue after my times expired, so if you could do that, that would be great. My name is lawrence. I live and work in district 9. Im calling in, once again, for the elected of the officials to standup for justice and act new for us, especially our black and brown neighbors who are disproportionately harmed by the sfpd. The opportunity that we have to reject the sfpd contract has been extended in the past, and we have to be brave. This is a moment that we find the courage and act on it. Send this bill back and force the p. O. A. To come back to the committee with something other than a cake walk. Force real actual tangible policy concessions that make a safer city. You can do this. Its in your power. It takes a little bit of that courage that i talked about earlier. Thank you. Clerk thank you very much for your comments, lawrence. We have 55 listeners, 32 people in line, and lawrence, you were our 31 caller. Mr. Qu, can you please connect us to the next caller. Hello, bootlickers oh, sorry. Supervisors. My name is simon manganelli. I live in district 8. Im calling to ask that the Committee Reject the p. O. A. Contract. Im tired of calling in to the supervisors and you not doing shit. Youve heard from two incredibly brave people who was brave enough to talk about their race. Youve heard from people at sf general about people being brutalized by the police, and people who live in communities targeted by police. Are you fucking kidding me . Weve literally had an election in San Francisco two days ago with historic levels not seen since the 60s. Over 70 of us voted yes on prop e which was to literally defund, disband, and abolish the Police Department. H stop being whiney babies, stop c kowtowing to the police. Stop being bootlickers because thats what you are. Reject the p. O. A. Contract, do not pass it out of committee, and make all of the negotiations public. In closing, fuck all of you. Goodbye. Clerk thank you for your comments, simon manganelli. Could we be connected to the next caller, please. Is there a caller on the line. If you just heard your line is unmuted, that is your opportunity to provide comments to the g. A. O. Hi. Id like to echo the previous comments to the board of supervisors. Id like to say that the failure to provide transparency in these negotiations is outrageous and this contract needs to be invalidated, and i yield my time to hear more of other peoples stories. Clerk next caller, please. [inaudible] or accountability without any concession does not facilitate any Community Trust. This committee. Weve heard about some acts today, and they are not the exception, they are the rule, and they go as far as targeting dozens of black and brown individuals. Thousands of san franciscans, and our population has made it clear. We know who keeps us safe. Our police are well overpaid, and the Median Income of an sfpd cop is 60 higher than our nurses. I demand that you reject this contract, that you hold the public hearing, that you be transparent, that you be brave, that you standup to the police for the people you represent, the true labor unions, and the san franciscans whose lives are at stake. I yield my comments. Clerk thank you for your comments. Next caller, please. My name is kurt [inaudible] and i am the chairman of the Peoples Congress in district 6. Im asking you to reject the contract today. Do not pass it out of committee. Its time to take a stand. I know that people are probably threatening you and calling for the rejection of the p. O. A. We will stand behind the folks who standup for them, and there are enough of us. The p. O. A. Will find itself on an island with no support. The only reason they exist is because no one stands up to them, and you have the opportunity to standup to this today. This is a prime example of whats entirely wrong around the Police Negotiations. The truth is they have become a stigma in this city, and its time we address it. Creating contracts in the dark and excluding us out of the process, not listening to any of the committee. Even in the midst of a complete movement throughout the nation, youre basically handing them their wish list with no concessions in return. Why . Why . Because of their threats . Are you that afraid of them . Take a stand. Dont be afraid. Weve got your back. Well standup for you. Its time to negotiate it in good faith in the public, and we need some good policy concessions from them. Do as i say, right here today. Lets do this the right way. Lets get a real meaningful contract, and then, well come back. We ask you to sit down and do something meaningful and do the right thing by the committee. Clerk thank you for your comments, mr. Curtis bradford, mr. Qu, can you connect us to the next commenter, please. Hi. My name is mimi clavner, and ive lived in district 9 for 35 years. I ask you to reject this contract. Frankly, im appalled at what i heard earlier in this meeting. Its the same old, same old, is this is unacceptable. This m. O. U. Was negotiated in secret by d. H. R. Yes, the same d. H. R. That was recently called out as being racist. Its incomprehensible to me why they would offer a short deferral of raises with more raises in the next two years without any claims of concession. D. H. R. , the Mayors Office, sfpd, and the City Attorneys office all have vested interests in keeping things as they are. The people are demanding change. I urge you to reject the contract, and i also want to say to the clerk or the secretary, whos ever in charge. Queue, i want to object to you cutting off the queue, which then had at least five people in the queue on thursday. How do you justify these actions . Thank you. Clerk thank you very much for your comments, mimi clausner. Mr. Qu, could you please connect us to the next caller . Hi. My name is sarah shocke. I live in district 10, and im a former union member. Im calling to demand the g. A. O. Rejects the Police Station Association Contract and does not pass it out of committee. You need to reject this contract and hold a public hearing. This negotiation is exactly what the p. O. A. Wants. They get two years of additional raises. It locks in their lack of transparency and accountability to 2023 and sets up their contract in a Mayoral Election year when theyll have more leverage. Standup to the racist p. O. A. Just this past june, they threatened a lawsuit so they could still kneel on the necks of san franciscans. When i worked at the ucsf cancer, i do not see police fraternities as a legitimate union, but as a way for them to have unfettered power. [inaudible] why in the hell would you ever allow such thugs to unionize, much less give them raises. Committees and Council Members such as yourselves have listen 67 of this city voted for [inaudible] we have spoken, and we dont trust sfpd, so i do not understand why on gods green earth it makes any sense that you would be even entertaining this at all. Your job, your literal job to translate our votes and voices into governmental action. I teach at two public colleges in this city. I have two masters degrees [inaudible] what the lowest paid officer makes. The lowest paid Police Officer of sfpd makes five times more than what i do at city college. There is no reason we should be glamorizing murder. Multiple people on this call have shared their stories of abuse by sfpd, and i have been at multiple protests where we have been laughed at, almost beaten, run over, and more. This whole lefty movement that mayor breed wants to call it is a joke. You guys are just perpetuating the same old thing. None of you addressed Caesar Vargas death. Matt haney posted one thing on instagram. One of you maybe posted one other thing. Thats disgusting clerk thank you very much for sharing your comments. Mr. Qu, could you please connect us to the next caller. My name is dante. I live and work in district 1 at uesf. Im calling to ask that the Committee Reject the police Association Contract and does not pass it out of committee. This summer, tens of thousands of people hit the streets of San Francisco, demanding an end to Police Violence, and nothing changed. Just this summer, police hunts down a man by the name of Caesar Vargas, a man suffering mental problems, and shot him in the streets. The contract adds a Charity Clause which gives the p. O. A. Any [inaudible] and other essential workers, which i find a personal insult as a teacher. Across the city, people are beginning to hold police tracertainties accountable. Chicago is asking for 40 disciplinary reforms and had all negotiations in public. Philadelphia prohibited any negotiations with their police fraternities until they could be held in police. It is your duty to prevent the sfpd from operating in the shadows. P. P. O. A. Has a long history of defending officers involved in a long string of scandals, including a long string of killing san franciscans. Earlier this year, the level of antiblack bias in sfpd was described as extreme. Standup to our citys racist sfpd authority, and make all clerk thank you very much for sharing your comments. Can we get the next caller, please. Hello . My name is nora hilton, and i am the chair of the San Francisco Youth Commission, and i am the previous chair of the San Francisco Youth Commissions transformative justice committee. I am a lifelong san franciscan, and i live in district 5. The community of San Francisco, and especially young people in San Francisco have made it clear that they want sfpd so be held accountable, and this contract renegotiation does exactly the opposite of that. The department of Human Resources, without consulting the Police Commission and many Key Stakeholders came to a deal with the sfpoa to extend their contract and give them a raise of a total of 6 without any guarantees that the police start blocking reforms and accountability. This is not a deal with the city, this is a deal with the d. H. R. You should work to represent the people and communities, not the sfpd and d. H. R. It is up to you and other elected officials to let us know what theyre saying. This summer, tens of thousands of people, including thousands of young people, took to the streets, fighting for a more just world and the defunding of sfpd, and i really dont see how anything thats on the table today is working directly for that. Its working directly against that. The Youth Commission clearly stands with all movements trying to defend the police because police do not lead to a safer world, they lead to a world where oppression against black and brown people is funded by the states. Thank you. Clerk thank you very much for your comments, nora hilton. Could we get the next caller, please. Hello. My name is jason, and im a district 1 taxpayer and homeowner, and im tired of my money going to pay the salaries of violent thugs that do nothing but enforce thuggery capitalism. Thiss thiss thisser im seeing my representatives about to give my money away again without a single condition in exchange. What is the point of a socalled progressive super majority if we dont get anything out of it . You have leverage. The elections over. Theres nothing to be cowards about anymore. What do you need . What are you waiting for . Do your fucking jobs for gods sakes, and standup for the p. O. A. Clerk caller, are you still there . Im done. Clerk well take the next caller. Just a request for future callers who may provide Public Comment to g. A. O. , to keep your comments civil. Lets hear from the next caller, please. Hi. [inaudible] from district 9 again. [inaudible] clerk thank you very much for your comment. Next caller, please. Hi, can you hear me . Clerk yes, we can. Please begin. My name is diego, and i live in district 3. Im calling to demand that the g. O. A. C. Reject the Police Negotiation contract and does not pass it out of committee. Board of supervisors, with your camera off, we see you not listening to us. You know, do not be comforted if you won the recent election. The trend shows that we support defunding and police abolishment. If you do not support actions like that, we will come for your seats. I yield my time. Clerk thank you very much for your comments. Mr. Qu, next caller, please. Hello. My name is [inaudible] titus, im a San Francisco resident and voter. Im actually calling in to demand that this Committee Reject the p. O. A. Contract. Its clear that d. H. R. Have not been bargaining for residents of the city, but doing what makes it easiest for the city. Take a look at their statements on Colin Kaepernick a few years ago. They say that any policy change will go to meetandconfer, which is a lie. A proposition that passed with overwhelming support at around 70 of the vote. Its only because he called that bluff that we were able to put it on our ballot and change the will of the voters of the city. This overly broad interpretation is a constant issue in [inaudible] do not trust them. Were trying to tell you that you have no power here and must leave it all in their clearly incompetent hands. Do not listen to them. Use the power thats vested in this committee and this board and reject the contract. Listen to the people of San Francisco, not the friends of the p. O. A. Clerk thank you for sharing your comments. Can we get the next caller, please. [inaudible] and i live in district 8. Many of the other callers have called in to voice their objections against the use of force. No contract should go forward without policy concessions from the p. O. A. The department of justice of california, hardly the more important than meetandconfer. We need to think about where are the mayor and chief scott in this conversation . They have a legal and moral right to drive a Police Agenda if they are who they say and they are who they say they are. They can really move this. It pains me to see our members on the left attacking our electeds on the left. I dont trust d. H. R. Clerk thank you, rudy gonzales, for sharing your comments. Mr. Qu, can we get the next caller, please . My name is savannah. I live and work in district 5 . Im calling to demand the g. O. A. Committee reject the p. O. A. G. A. O. Committee reject the reject the p. O. A. Contract and make all future negotiations public. Thank you. I yield my time. Clerk thank you very much for your comments. Could we get the next caller, please. Hi. My name is grace coleman. I live and work in district 5. Im calling to demand that the g. A. O. Committee rejects the p. O. A. Contracts and not pass it out of committee. To agree on a 9 pay increase and demand no policy concessions in return is absolutely absurd and it indicates how toxic the relationship is between the d. H. R. And p. O. A. And how this allows for such manipulation and corruption to exist in our government. How can you expect the citizens to trust the police if you are all so clearly terrified yourselves . The overwhelming of our Community Wants more oversight, more transparency, and less police. To prove this contract is to admit to your black and brown constituents, that at least for the next few years, their safety and humanity are not a priority to you. If you have any interest in taking the very first baby step in establishing some trust between yourselves and the community, you will reject this contract and you will reject white supremacy. I yield my time. Clerk thank you, mr. Qu. Next caller, please. Hi. My name is alexander, and im a district 11 member. I want to request the g. A. O. Reject the p. O. A. Contract. San francisco clearly expressed this past tuesday that they do not want to do business as usual and im not just talking about props b and e, although i think those send a d and e, although i think those send a pretty clear message, but also prop b. San francisco quickly passed a proposition that completely reimagined that department. You look at the San Francisco Police Department, and we have ongoing scandals of not only violence by racism. We have Text Messages which are too gusting to relate here. If were willing to disrupt the status quo when we discover that the city has been discriminating against people based on their ability to pay to play, how can we justify Going Forward with the status go when we have these ongoing scandals and discrimination based on race . You know, its frankly appalling that we would think we can flip this through without asking for a single concession when we ask things like the d. O. J. And Blue Ribbon Panel recommendations going completely unmet. You as our representatives have to use our leverage. Reject this contract. Start again with a public hearing, and lets actually work these things out. Clerk thank you very much, alexander post. Can we get the next caller, please. Hello. Can you hear me . Clerk yes, we can hear you. Hi. My name is nick blen, and i live in district 7. Ive got a few requests. My first request is to reject the p. O. A. And budget that others before me have so eloquently rephrased. Second, figure out a better technology, better than this 1980s stuff were using here. Better yet, youre opening up these cities. You could do these meetings outside socially distant and safe, and you could look us in the eyes. Third, i dont got any swear words, whatever you want to call it. But civility . How about you stop enabling a gang of White Supremacists who are an awful neighborhood to all of our residents of this city. Start there, and then, you can start asking for some civility. Done. Next person. Clerk thank you for your comments. Do we get the next caller could we get the next caller, please. Hi, there. My name is michael garcia, district 11. Its mind blowing to me that we allow Police Officers to have a union. Im as prolabor and prounion as it gets, but the police have a unique position where they have the power of the state behind them, and most workers dont have that. So its mind blowing to me that we allow that. Im calling to join the rest of the calls in support of rejecting this contract. We need to demand better, and, you know, the residents of the city have been out in the streets, weve been out at the ballot box, weve been out at these meetings, and, you know, we couldnt possible be more clear. Possibly be more clear. So please, listen to the residents of this city, and get things moving in the right direction. Thank you. Clerk thank you very much for your comments, michael garcia. Could we get the next caller, please. Hi. My name is [inaudible] and i live in district 3, and like many of the other callers, i ask that after my time is up that we get an update on the callers in the queue and listening. Im calling, like so many of my neighbors here, to ask you to please, ask in accordance with the will of the people of San Francisco who have been showing time and time again, not just this week, this summer, this year, that for years, they do not want the city to be held to the racist and selfinterested actions and demands of the p. O. A. Im calling you onto reject this contract which offers nothing but terms that are advantageous to the Police Officers who are continuing to make our city a less safe place, especially for our black, brown, indigenous, and unhoused neighbors, and that you instead move to a process of making all of these negotiations public, with transparency, where the public can weighin, where we can see and understand whats happening in our city, and you act in accordance with what has been shown, which is we do not want a large number of officers on the streets of San Francisco. We do not want oversight from the government. Please keep that in mind when you decide whether or not you push this through. We do not want to be in partnership with the p. O. A. Please come back with some negotiations that can actually have 134 concessions for the abolishment of police, that the people of San Francisco are showing you that they want, and please make these proceedings happening in the future transparent so we do not have to guess whats happening behind closed doors. Clerk thank you so much for your comments. 24 are listening, and 25 are in the queue to provide Public Comment. Collecti next caller, please. Hi. My name is jason weiman, and im calling in solidarity with so many of my neighbors calling for the abolishment of San Francisco police, and right now, that comes through the rejecting of the p. O. A. Contract. There are multiple opportunities to disrupt things and business as usual. This is one of those times. They called on leadership of the board of supervisors to do something, to actually be a leader. So im requesting that you be a leader and reject the p. O. A. Contract and actually take it back to committee and figure Something Else out, ask for concessions. Also, in regards to civility, fuck civility, fuck all of this shit. The police and nothing has been civil, and frankly, to ask for civility, when our board of supervisors continues to pass and not act as leaders is absolutely asinine. To my fellow san franciscans, please continue being uncivil, and please keep up the unrest because we need to keep pushing until they do something. I thank all of my fellow citizens on this calls, and fuck the board of supervisors. Clerk thank you, jason, for your comments. Mr. Qu, could you please connect us to the next caller. Hi. Im helen banks, i live in district 10. Ill keep my comments far more civil than the p. O. A. S treatment of my community. As everyone has been saying, we should abolish the police. Theyre known to be extremely racist and theyre known to be extremely violent. We could turn the enormous amount of resources the cops waste into thriving communities, but some of you keep acting with unaccountable cowardice. At least display a sliver of competency. Reject the p. O. A. Contract and call on a public hearing to provide transparency. Stop laying down while the cops continue to brutalize this city and shake us down. Im done. Clerk thank you for your comments. Mr. Qu, could you please connect us to the next caller. My name is crystal. Im calling from district 1. After i yield my time, please list how many callers are on the line and how many are in queue to speak. Im calling for the rejection of the p. O. A. Contract and ensure that the g. A. O. Does not pass it out of committee. [please stand by] should receive the majority of the tax dollars. Im a proud union worker and the p. O. A. Is not a union, and its an association, a fraternity, a group of people. Barely anyone that i talked to knows vargas name and he was murdered by sfpd officers last month murdered. No one should be killed by those who are supposed to serve and protect. Why is this not bigger news . Because they dont want the public to know that our Police Officers are just as racist and murderous as Police Officers across the country. Police are not union and should not be connected with a single real union in San Francisco. I understand that the negotiations are hard but the people of San Francisco are worth fighting for and we as members of San Francisco vote to reject the p. O. A. Contract, and you should use your voice to reject the contract too. Listen to your people, and not to your police pocketbook. We the people will fight for black and brown liberation and indigenous sovereignty and the safety of trans people and sex workers and all who are disproportionately targeted by the sfpd and all of the Police Departments. So for those protesting and organizing, i love you. We have the power to keep going. Clerk thank you very much for sharing your comments. Mr. Coup, can you please connect to us the next caller. Caller hi. I would like to agree with the other callers that future negotiations really need to be done in public and in the interest of full transparency, and id like to comment on this civility business. In is our time to comment and legally, you know, were free to comment as we wish, so long as it does not disrupt the meeting and so far i dont think that anything that anyone has said has disrupted the meeting. And so i think that attempting to form this Public Discourse is quite frankly, illegal. And also im looking at the bureau of labor right now, and their website and the cost of living in San Francisco. And its decreased since the pandemic started. So it would appear that, you know, were not just giving a 3 raise, but if you factor in the cost of living, you know, its probably more like a 6 raise. And so i think that this doesnt just apply to the Police Department, although the Police Department has a larger 3. 5 rate, and they are getting a better deal out of it. I dont know where the Police Department gets 3. 5 raise while other you know, while everyone else is a 3 raise. I dont know what they are doing that is so especiall special thy need to get paid more. So, yeah, i think that i think that i dont know if these contracts are really in the best interest of San Francisco. Especially with the unemployment rate. Clerk thank you very much for your comments. Mr. Coup, please put through the next caller. Caller hello, my name is jennifer. And i live and work in district 4. Im calling to demand that the g. A. O. Committee rejects the p. O. A. Contract and does not pass it out of committee. This summer tens of thousands of people hit the streets of San Francisco, demanding an end to Police Violence, but nothing changed. Just this past month sfpd hunted down Caesar Vargas, a man in crisis and killed him in the streets. San francisco supervisors, are you going to walk the walk and negotiate in public . Stop the lip service, reject the contract. Reject the knee on the neck of black, brown, trans, disabled and houseless people. Put these negotiations in public and follow the will of the people. Thank you. Clerk thank you for sharing your comments. Mr. Coup, connect us to the next caller. Good afternoon, supervisors. I am calling to hecko all o eche other people to say that our Police Department and p. O. A. Does not keep us safe. These are not a good thing for San Francisco and hes not civil. I would like to echo my supervisors as they say fuck the p. O. A. , and fuck this contract. And its brutal to the people that come to our city. Were internationally known as one of the most abusive Police Forces on the face of the planet. We spend more on policing and brutalizing our constituency than any other first world city. This is obscene. Now as our supervisors have pointed out this contract is for two years and theyre frightened to lock in any change for those two years. Well what im frightened is to lock in this abuse, this absolutely intolerable brutality. This murder of our constituents, and for another two years. Now i am not convinced that anything short of rejecting this awfully racist, explicitly so, in fact, as they were distributing racist masks during the middle of this pan dem to their members. We know what they need. They need racism in our people, and they mean unsafety and they mean abuse and they mean political oh, press. And the people of oppression. Now the people of San Francisco are tired of them. We have been tired for a decade and the department of justice has, in fact, come out and said that this is a racist organization that needs to fundamentally change. Thats been given five years and what has happened is that this contract that youre kob contemplating renewing has abused to prevent that change from occurring. So as you contemplate whether or not change can occur, keep in mind that the reason that you were telling us that change couldnt occur for the last five years is this piece of shit. Clerk thank you for your comments. Mr. Coup, connect us to the next caller. Caller hi, my name is indiscernible and i live in district 6 and i like everyone else on this call and calling to demand the goao Committee Reject the Police Officer Contract Negotiation and does not pass it out of the committee, making all future negotiations public so that the constituents of this city can actually participate. After the tens of thousands of people began to protest over the past summer, i really reflected on my life and asked myself if once in my life i had felt safer because a Police Officer was nearby and it was never the case as a brown woman. I called my mom and asked her if in her life she felt safe because a Police Officer was nearby and she said, no. These feelings are justified by every call, and every murder that you hear in the news, including the murder of Caesar Vargas. Theyre backed up by staff, like the staff that sfpd that points their guns at 2. 4 times a day. And 78 are against people of color. Theyre backed up by stories and a history. And it was reflected earlier in the call and the representatives arguing against you. Their main point seems to be that this is unusual. It was unusual to not give a few percentage of raises. It was unusual to reject a labor contract. But you should be behaving unusually because the Police Officer association is unusual. It is historically unusual because it is over the history of policing been against unions. Its unusual because financially they make 200,000 as a median pay that is twice as much as other actual unions. They are unusual because all over the country that we are changing things and cities are reckoning with this brutal history. Many people in my life are teachers, many of my loved ones, and if Something Like this was true in their profession and there was a history and a financial and an historical moment of realizing that their profession was harming clerk thank you very much for sharing your comments. Operations, can you please connect us to the next caller. Caller hi there. My name is katie and i live in district 9 and i work in district 10. And i have been in the city for 15 years. I want to continue to echo what has been requested and demanded, whatever word will spur action. And that is that the p. O. A. Contract negotiations should be held in public. This current contract should be rejected. This contract and the process by which it is being processed undermines the public and it undermines the Police Commissioners who have been working to remove bias in the Police Association or the Police Officers, the sfpd. And i would just like to see bias go away. And reform isnt working. Training isnt working. Bias is written into the p. O. A. Contract. I agree with everyone else that the median pay of the Police Officers is completely inappropriate. That also that it is inappropriate that theres no policy concessions. Everything about how this contract is being processed is inappropriate. This contract is the mechanism which i have said before that it is the mechanism by which bias and institutional racism is being upheld in San Francisco. And this needs to be addressed. Please do right. Please do justice. Please do better, because black lives matter. Thank you. Clerk thank you for your comments. Mr. Coup, can you please connect us to the next caller. Hi there, my name is destiny rodriguez and i live in district 4. I, among many callers, i am calling to demand that the g. A. O. Committee rejects the p. O. A. Contract. I just want to reiterate that you are my District Supervisor i dont know if you have seen, but actually the sunset district, the one that we live in, 18 of that of our population voted for trump. So just to let you know that is almost 22,000 people. And of our population, theres only 14 hispanic folk. As you are hearing and im sorry and only 4 black folks, okay . So of those people, the 22,000 people in our neighborhood, that is who you will be serving if you dont reject this. If you continue this this is working for us, and for me, like everyone is saying but what does that look like . I am watching you not taking this action that you said that you would this is affecting us. Every day when i go out to work and i have to step outside, and all of the unhoused folks that are being harassed by the police, that takes a toll on a person. I dont get to put on a indiscernible and being known around the town. And i look at people who are begging for help and dont have assets, so im speaking on behalf of them. You have to say no, you have to reject this. I cannot do this anymore. This is all summer, even more than this, people have been asking you to take a stance for real. You need to work on the long term of defunding the Police Department. I have had many calls to do this. Clerk thank you for sharing your comments. Operations, please connect us to the next caller. Is there a caller on the line . Caller can you hear me . Clerk yes, we can hear you. Please begin. Caller okay. Well, before i begin, after i continuously do that so we know. And, supervisors, turn your cameras on. I am emily and im calling on unoccupied land to demand that the Committee Reject the p. O. A. Contract and do not pass it out of the committee. This summer tens of thousands of people hit the streets of San Francisco to demand the end of Police Violence. Since then we did a lot of work for black lives matter but its your lack of action that is complicit in the Police Killing of Caesar Vargas, a man in crisis. indiscernible in peoples lives. So what are you showing if you dont reject this contract . Passing this contract is with violent policing. And its giving into concessions that put black and brown and trans, and sex workers lives at risk. You have authorized to vote this down and to call for a public hearing. This is a power that you have. You have the power to put pressure on d. H. R. , and that they work for you, they work for the city, and not just the mayor. And you all work for us. And the d. H. R. Is incompetent and indiscernible to defund the police, they kill with impunity. indiscernible for the multiple previous callers for sharing their traumatizing Police Interactions and you are vulnerable in sharing your experience. When i was a teenager i was violently assaulted by a Police Officer. It changed my life. indiscernible they dont provide Public Safety. They dont protect people. They are violent and they leave trauma. Its an act of racism and violence and a perpetuation of that trauma. Black lives matter and, yeah, fuck your civility and fuck the police clerk thank you very much for your comments. Mr. Coup, please connect us to the next caller. Caller hello, my name is james and im a fifth generation san franciscan. Id like to apologize for you guys having to listen to all of these scripted speeches from others. My children are sixth generation san franciscans. We have the bayview and north beach neighborhoods. No one on these calls would state that they are in indiscernible as where they are from if they are invested san franciscans. With five generations, now six, none of us have had problems with police in this city. Theyre actually some of the friendliest Police Officers that i ever seen in my travels throughout the united states. In fact, i believe that we have one of the most diverse Police Departments in the country. The ballot measure that went on, yes, you can decrease the Police Department, but you could also increase it so that people really dont Pay Attention to whats going on. And it goes to the shooting that happened on otis street. I watched that video and i was appalled that someone tried to murder one of our Police Officers. This union has put forth a measure to save the city money over the next two years and i believe that you guys should pass this measure for all of the men and women that work to protect my family who live in this city for generations. Thank you. Clerk thanks for your comments. Mr. Coup, could you please connect us to the next caller. Caller hello, my name is graceie and i live in district 7. I work in San Francisco and im a ccsf student. I grew up in San Francisco as did my family. And i was put in Juvenile Hall when i was 16 for the crime of sleeping outside after my family was evicted in San Francisco where i grew up. I want to agree with the previous caller who said that its unacceptable that none of the supervisors are tweeting about Caesar Vargas, but constantly tweeting and talking about Racial Justice and b. L. M. Im calling to demand that the p. O. A. Committee reject the Police Officer Association Contract renegotiations and does not pass it out of the committee. This summer, tens of thousands of people hit the streets of San Francisco demanding the end to Police Violence, but nothing changed. Just this past month sfpd hunted down Caesar Vargas, a man in crisis, and killed hill in the streets. Despite the widespread demand for transformation for our approach to Public Safety, this p. O. A. Contract gives sfpd two additional years of racism and offers no policy concessions to prevent the officers from killing yet another person. It adds a parity clause to give the p. O. A. Any additional benefits earned by city workers that actually create Public Safety, like nurses, teachers and other essential workers, some of whom you have heard from today. Across country cities are beginning to hold police fraternities accountable. In chicago, theyre asking for 40 disciplinary reforms and had all negotiations in public. Philadelphia even passed a law prohibiting contract talks with their Police Fraternity until a public hearing takes place and the community demand is incorporated into the negotiation. It is your responsibility, supervisors, to present the sfpd p. O. A. From operating in the shadows. The p. O. A. That defends officers who engage in racist and homophobic scandals when had violence against our communities, including the killings of dozens of black and brown san franciscans. Clerk thank you for sharing your comments. Operations, could we please get the next caller. Caller hi, this is laura. District 11. Im on the unoccupied lands and i have lived here for 10 years. And the hypocrisy of the progressive veneer of this city is disgusting. I love San Francisco, but it does not live up to its image as ait should. And take the steps towards abolishing police and the Prison Industrial Complex if you think that black lives matter. Give that money to teachers. Retrain the police force to actually to help people by developing an Emergency Response system that involves neither guns nor incarceration. Stop using police to beat up our unhoused neighbors. Take them out of our hospitals. Take them out of the schools. Be the peace loving city that we portray ourselves as. I yield my time. Clerk thank you very much for sharing your comments. Operations, could we get the next caller, please. Caller hi, you told the kow reporter that we cannot ask procedural questions. Can you please tell us how much time and how many people are in line and how many have their hand raised . Clerk im sorry, this is Public Comment for the nine called m. O. U. Items and i have paused your time but it is not a question and answer session. Ill resume your time. Caller but you said that we could ask procedural questions. Clerk i welcome an email for handling of legislative items. Like which items caller you have not clerk allow me to answer your questions. So items on todays agenda are on for consideration on november 17th by the board of supervisors and that was the procedural question that the kaol i probably have it wrong, but that gentleman was asking about. Im not able to answer any other procedural questions at this time. Please continue your comments. Caller okay. My time starts now. So, supervisor haney, mar and peskin, the your job to balance the interest of stakeholders. I am shocked that the Labor Council has come out of the woodwork and gone on the record to support the p. O. A. Contract. The Labor Council is in support of the Police Fraternity contract. Hello, i am jen and i live in district 6. The Labor Council is just one stakeholder and theyre unelected and they do not represent the council, and the neighbors and a growing number of Community Groups and a huge amount of Community Members. So what do you do, bang your head, right . Sign a pledge like you did for labor that you will pass a 12 million budget supplement to the sfpd. You are about to have a super majority. The mayor will love it and it keeps indiscernible safe. The your job to calm down the s. F. Labor councils. Calm them the fuck down and pledge 12 million to sfpd and keep our community safe. You can only accept or reject the contract, but youre in a unique position because this time if you reject the contract they have to go to negotiations for june 21. You have that power. Tell d. Hmplet r. What you need for a yes. Tell the press what you need for a yes. Tell them what it takes for you to accept the contract. Again, this is just until june 2021. And the issues have indiscernible and the reality is that no pressure will make this happen. You have to explicitly outline what is and not a managerial decision because the political will does not exist in d. H. R. The political will should exist here in a progressive super majority. Should it not . The and issue clerk thank you for sharing your comments. Mr. Coup, can you please connect us to the next caller. Caller hello, my name is mariah and i live in San Francisco and im calling like so many others to encourage you to reject this contract. And to send it back out. Like i previous caller said, yeah, what does it take to present. But without the transparency of the negotiations being held in public, with no policy concessions, and the Police Officers are not being held accountable. And considering that we have seen the sfpd and saying that indiscernible . San francisco can be a vanguard for the changes that are going to happen and we could be, you know, some of the first in the country to do that. And the fear about having an advery say aial relationship adversarial relationship with the p. O. A. And youre standing there and indiscernible that means that you have to get adversarial. We love the indiscernible and we all know that is very true. So reject this contract and hand it back and do what you can to change things and make things better. To make our city better, and to make everyone safer. And im flabbergasted at the wages of our Police Department. Its absurd and obscene, considering what city workers make. And also, you know, the sfpd already takes up more than their share of the city budget. So get into an adversarial relationship if that is what it takes. And do what you can. Be the one that stands in between the police and the community. Thank you for your time. And please consider all of these comments that have been made. Well, many, many comments. Clerk thank you for your comments. Mr. Coup, please connect us to the next caller. Caller hi, can you hear me . Clerk yes, we can hear you. Please begin. Caller hi, i am a district 9 resident. I would like to echo earlier comments that you cannot perform this and be against racism and allow a contract that materially defends the actions of racist and violent Police Officers without consequences. Id also like to echo the absolute unfairness of the parity clause, and given the median salaries indiscernible . And, furthermore, negotiating this contract behind closed doors with policy concessions is organized crime. Please do not allow the p. O. A. To get away with this. I yield my time. Clerk thank you for sharing your comments. Mr. Coup, connect to us the next caller. Caller hi, i am gar eght and i live in district 6. And i am like all of the callers, that im calling to tell you as a committee to reject the p. O. A. Contract. Based on what i have heard it sounds like youre really uncertain as a committee what you can do about this contract. Which to me tells me that you dont know how to do your job, which is why you ask the public what you want to be done about the p. O. A. Contract. If you reject the p. O. A. Contract in committee you have six more months to figure out what t to do about the p. O. A. Contracts. And theres many that have concrete reforms regarding whether you can refer, and if you have six more months you can figure it out for yourself. please stand by they spent two and a half years adding single line to a useofforce policy. Thats not how you run a city. Pass out of recommendations and let the full board figure it out. If you really want [bell dings] clerk thank you. Thank you very much for sharing your comments. Mr. Coup, could you please connect us to the next caller. Hi, my name is wendy. And i live in district 5. And i just wanted to echo what most of the other callers have said that will you please reject this Police Officers Association Contract renegotiation. And do not pass it out of the committee. It really shows you all of these people are listening and calling in. We would appreciate if you would actually took action and helping it San Francisco be a place where everyone is safe. Thanks so much. I yield my time. Clerk thank you for sharing your comments. The next caller, please. Caller im in district 9. The p. O. A. Negotiations. I was arrested at city hall following the [indiscernible] also some reforms were promised. Nothing has really happened. The police are still killing and racist killing. Its outrageous what the police socalled union can try to nullify our demands for safety. The police exist to terrorize the working class and need to be completely abolished. And thats going to require working class residents. Thank you. Clerk thank you for sharing your comments, michael lion. Mr. Coup, could you please bring us the next caller. Caller we want abolition. Please reject this context. Do not give the Police Raises. Were not going anywhere. We want abolition and we will get it. I yield. Clerk thank you for sharing your comments. Mr. Coup, could you bring us the next caller, please. Caller hi. Id like to know how many people are left in the queue. Clerk i have paused your time. I dont have that information in front of me right now. You still have two minutes left. Please begin. Caller thats what i want to use my time for is for someone to look at how many people are in line and who want to speak. Clerk are you still there . Caller im still here. Clerk do you have comments for the g. A. O. Committee . Caller yeah. About how many people are in the queue. Clerk i am not managing the queue. I dont have that information. This is not a questionandanswer session. Please continue your comments to the committee or we need to move on to the next person. Ive been informed there are ten people in the queue. Caller thank you. Clerk goodbye. Can we get the next caller, please. Caller hi, my name is i work in district 2. Im calling because like many people here, i am afraid of sfpoas action. We know that back when the pandemic started, sfpoa rb was distributing thin blue line masks. Those are symbols of white supremacy, known hate symbols. And and the approach to the ways that they police our community, and the ways that they defend officers who have killed and harmed native san franciscans. We ask that the city council do not approve this contract and take the time that is needed to actually follow the example of cities like chicago and philadelphia, who are holding more transparent and accountable negotiations with their Police Officers. I yield my time. Clerk thank you for your comments. Mr. Coup, could you please bring us the next caller. Caller hi, my name is dan. I live in district 4. Im calling for demand that reject the p. O. A. Negotiation. How can you say that youre a progressive or care about social justice in good faith, if you make concessions to a Police Fraternity in 2020, after everything weve seen in our city, in our state, and in our country. Do you think san franciscan callers today, our friends, family dont notice when you side with police instead of siding with black, trans and other groups. We do notice and wont allow it. Any Contract Negotiations must be done in public to increase transparency and accountability to crucial elements in the Public Interest that we know the p. O. A. Will try to skirt at any opportunity. We know that other cities like chicago are demanding disciplinary concession negotiations. We know police are grossly overpaid and any dollar spent is a dollar that could be better spent on housing and Mental Health and education and just about any other cause that is actually focused on making it san franciscans lives better, instead of racist, violence and erosion of Community Trust that comes with police. Stand up to our citys racist Police Fraternity, reject this p. O. A. Contract and make future negotiations public. Thank you to the other callers for sharing the powerful stories of police abuse. Please listen, supervisors, please turn your cameras on. Otherwise we can assume youre not paying attention or dont care about this issue. Thanks. I yield my time. Clerk thank you for sharing your comments. Could you please bring us the next caller. Caller hi. I live and work in district 10. And i am calling in to ask that you reject the Police Officers Association Contract. First of all, that should be a public hearing with Public Comments and not something that is done in secret. Its too significant for that. And, secondly, im tired of hearing day after day about some horrible things that the police has done in our community, like why are they running around shooting people. Make it stop. Thank you. I yield my time. Clerk thank you for your comments. Mr. Coup, could you please connect us to the next caller. Caller hello. Can you hear me . Clerk yes, we can hear you. Please begin your comments. Caller okay. Thank you. My name is monique. I live in San Francisco in district 5. And basically im calling ive been on several of these calls actually with the defund the police movement. And i think you guys are hearing pretty loud and clear from a lot of people. We want the police defunded, we want the police abolished and we want this contract from the Police Officers association rejected. So theres no reason to talk about black lives matter. You just need to do it. And do what the people are asking you to do. Prop e just passed to get rid of the mandatory minimum. So there you go. Youve got majority voters saying we dont want the police any more. So i dont know what else you need to hear. You could feel good in doing your job. Do the right thing, tell them no, get rid of the contract. We dont need them. I yield the rest of my time. Thank you. Clerk thank you very much for your comments. Mr. Coup, could you bring us the next caller, please. Caller hi, my name is stella. Can you hear me . Clerk yes, we can. Please begin. Caller thank you. I live in district 11. And im calling to demand, like everyone else seems to, to reject the Police Officers contract renegotiation. This past summer, we saw thousands of people come to the streets demanding the end of Police Violence. This is something in our countrys history that nobody really talked about. And nothing has still been changed. And i think its very important that we listen to the public on this, because were tired of constant murder with no punishment, no consequences. And, you know, its been said that even chicago and philadelphia passed, you know, laws where talking to the Police Fraternity in public hearings is demanded. And, you know, we need to set an example in San Francisco. Im originally from atlanta, georgia. I know all about Police Violence and brutality and moving here i thought things would be different. Its so disheartening to see that its just the same everywhere you go. And San Francisco should step up as a leader and show all of these different cities on how to do things. And the fact that were still im going to try in and call to negotiate with you guys to not meet in private is just absolutely defeating. But we will not be defeated. Because we are here to continue to fight, you know, the p. O. A. Has a long history of defending officers who have engaged in racist and homophobic scandals and who committed extreme acts of violence against our communities, including the killings of dozens of black and brown san franciscans. [bell dings] clerk thank you for sharing your comments. Mr. Coup, could you bring us the next caller, please. Caller my name is tilda. I live and work in district 6. Im calling for demand the g. A. O. Committee reject the contract renegotiation. Do not pass go. Do not collect 200. Do not pass this contract out of committee. There must be policy concessions in any new p. O. A. Contract and the board of supervisors has a long history of caving into the p. O. A. You need to stand up to them. Otherwise the suits are basically giving us thoughts and prayers and thats not okay. We have a lot of data that shows us sfpd is racist. We need material ways of holding the Police Accountable for their impact on black and brown lives. California department of outand the justice and the antiblack bias is extreme in the sfpd. Even after decades of reforms, 76 of uses of force in q4 against people of color last year. Sfpd officers still pointed their guns at people 2. 4 times in a day. And other useofforce categories decreased less than 3 from 2016, this reform isnt working. You know, in addition to rejecting the contract, i demand transparency. Contract negotiations should be held in public, so the community can have input. P. O. A. Policies are a matter of life and death for black and brown san franciscans. And in conclusion, stand up to our citys racist Police Fraternity, reject this contract. And make all future negotiations public or else we will keep organizing, we will keep coming in and we will vote you out. Thank you. Clerk thank you for your comments. Operations, could you please connect us to the next caller. Caller hi. Im calling from district 9 to demand that the board of supervisors reject its proposal. I believe the Police Officers association, the p. O. A. , has abused their right to meet and confer policy. There should be more rules around the meet and confer policy. And i want to understand the discretion between what the City Attorney and miss isen are saying and what the s. F. Bar association is saying in regards to the meet and confer rights. We need to set reasonable limits to the amount of time meet and confer can take. I dont think its in the longterm interest of and then isen says she doesnt think its in the longterm interest to have matter of policies, that do have impacts on employment to end up in the m. O. U. I think it is in the longterm interest to implement reform. The meet and confer process should not take as long as it does. Attorneys are saying that the law is more restrictive than it is being implemented. So i really think to look into if tuck make changes if you can make changes. Its a small step to take for larger issues that everybody else has been addressing today. I believe again that the police union has been abusing the right to meet and confer. And thats the contract and see if you guys can make changes. Please reject the contract. I hope you guys are paying attention to what im saying. Thank you. Clerk thank you for your comments. Mr. Coup, could you please connect us to the next caller. Caller my name is vincent. I live until district 10. And so all of these people have been given awful stories about police brutality, the violence. I hope you all listen. And i just want to ask you. Sfpd killed someone in our city a month ago and you really want to give them [indiscernible] and the mayor is trying to browbeat the board of supervisors about city finances. And do you think it makes sense to give them raises. And s. F. Labor council wants to believe not passing the p. O. A. Contract will be bad for city workers. So in the case do you think passing a contract has a parity clause it helps city workers . This time when costs are unpopular in this city. Do you think down the road it may come back and like bite city workers in the ass. Like do you think its good for city workers or anyone . And like the p. O. A. Claims about Public Safety. Do you think theyre trying to pull a fast one . Ask yourself all of these questions and like think about whether like passing the contract is like good or not. And its not good. And like everyone else on this Public Comment, we demand that you refuse this process. And like the board of supervisors calls for [indiscernible] the p. O. A. Contract discussed in public and we can see a terrible job theyre doing. Thanks. I yield my time. Clerk thank you very much for your comments. Mr. Coup, could you please connect us to the next caller. Is there a caller on the line . If youre on the line, you just heard that your line has been unmuted. This is your opportunity to 2000 two minutes of Public Comment. Caller apologies. Clerk please begin. Caller can you hear me . Clerk yes. We can hear you. Caller thank you. Sorry. Apologies for that. I believe i was on mute. Im the legislative Affairs Officer for the San Francisco Youth Commission, calling in like many others today to voice our opposition to rejecting this m. O. U. I want to echo the chair made earlier. And also just give some background. The Commission Voted unanimously this last monday to oppose the renegotiated m. O. U. , during the last budget season, many, Many Community members, along with the Youth Commission, the citys Advisory Board on youth issues called for much bigger cuts to the sfpd budget, that then were ultimately made, including staffing cuts. Weve continued clerk calvin, are you still there . Did you go muted again . I have paused mr. Quicks time. Calvin, if youre still connected. Ill resume once i hear your voice, otherwise well have to move on. It appears the caller has hung up. Ill be moving on. Clerk okay. Thank you very much. Caller hi. My name is alonna. I was born and raised in San Francisco. I grew up in district 9. And also Bayview District represented by shamann walton. Both historically and predominantly poor and working class, black and brown community. In alignment with the callers, im calling to demand the g. A. O. Committee reject the Police Officers Association Contract renegotiation. If our city budget is a reflection of our values, you know, what does it say about us . What does it say when our representatives want to hold the p. O. A. Accountable as part of their personal political gains. Why does the community have to call out the g. A. O. Committee and the board of supervisors to do whats right. We can say black lives matter all we want. But when we dont care about the actual structural impact that our Current System has on black and brown communities [indiscernible] so this is the least the least you can do and bare minimum ask is that you wont you dont get a pat on the back for. To reject the p. O. A. Contract negotiation. I yield my time. Clerk thank you very much for your comments. Could you please connect us to the next caller. Caller hi, my name is ellen. I live in district 5. Youve been hearing it all afternoon. Im calling for demand the g. A. O. Committee reject the p. O. A. Contract through negotiation. Make sure it does not pass out of the committee. Im calling for implore to show that you care about the the safety of your constituents and you affirm youve been hearing us over the many months weve been speaking out its reprehensible that you will give the p. O. A. Exactly what they want, weeks after they murdered a man in crisis, killing him this streets. The p. O. A. After all of that is going to get two additional years of raises and youre going to lock in their lack of transparency through 2023. I just cant even believe this is a conversation were having right now. When san franciscans have been showing up to make share voices heard their voices heard. We want Public Safety for all. Chicago is negotiating its Police Fraternity contract. Theyre asking for 40 disciplinary contracts. Why San Francisco not acting, after months of protests against Police Violence, months of calling in to make Public Comment. We know that the problems of Police Association. One study found that violent misconducting on Sheriffs Officers increased 40 after a Supreme Court ruling allowed the officers to unionize. You have an opportunity to stand up to the racist p. O. A. To be a leader and to do the work that san franciscans elected you to do. San franciscans who put their faith in you directly, and their safety. So stand up to our citys racist Police Fraternity, reject the this p. O. A. Reject this p. O. A. Contract. I yield my time. Clerk thank you for your comments. Could you please connect us to the next caller. Caller hi. I work in chinatown. The committee should reject this contract. All of these negotiations should be public. Holding these hearing two days after elections, mean that people take note of who was and the values they voted for. Do not give raises to an institution of violence during a pandemic, when thousands of people are jobless, unhoused and instead redirect all of that funding towards it Public Health housing and transportation. Listen to the personal experiences, people who are vulnerable enough to share with you today and value the fact that theyre using their lives to teach you. With regard to the caller whose family has 150 years residency in San Francisco and hearing how the sfpd has helped their family is exactly what we are furious about. The sfpds mandate is to befriend property and intergenerational white wealth, not the lives of our most vulnerable resident. Our Public Engagement is restricted and people want to use the unlimited effectively. We need to abolish the police and put the money towards the services that s. F. Really needs. Thank you. Clerk thank you for sharing your comments. Mr. Coup, could you please connect us to the next caller. Caller hi. I live and work in district 6. Im calling to echo the sentiments of basf earlier today. Again even if you all wanted to implement the reforms, i disagree with miss prestons assessment. Again the current contract does have a meet and confer clause that rejects meet and confer. If it is true that they have long agreed that clause does not mean what i think it means, thats fine. Then they should not they should not meet and confer if they did. This is in addition to carol isens comments, these should change the line on meet and confer. Thats the ask. I also personally believe other reform aspects should be tied to this contract. The contract is unacceptable without narrowing the scope of meet and confer explicitly. [ please stand by ] could you please connect us to the next speaker. I am sam, i am a resident of San Francisco asking the committee to reject this m. O. U. I say this too often. The mayor should for any progressive legislator be considered to be a republican. The leverage you have if insufficient in favor of negotiating with republican mayor is a fools errand. It is the job to legislate in opposition. I urge you to find a legislative solution to this situation rather than throwing up hands. The previous commenter said this would leave a hole in the budget. I think we need to have an approach that may beings sense. I would like to make sure we remember liberalism is not to stop paying stuff but markets require a police order to protect property at the expense of the works class, particularly black and brown people. I cant think of anything more than challenging this as the power you hold as the real leaders of San Francisco, the power of the board of supervisors to demonstrate the progress with the republican mayor. Please reject and help push for an approach to help advance the tangible reductions in police power. Thank you. Clerk could you please bring us the next caller. Caller i am sabrina. I am a high schoolteacher in district 6. Calling to demand you reject the poa Contract Negotiation and not pass out of the committee. As a union member i do not see this as legitimate union but away for to lease to have power. The conduct among the Sheriffs Office increased 40 after they unionized. Another study found the collective bargains is used to discriminate in disproportionate use against black, brown and indigenous population. Police unionization led to 60 to 70 additional killed by police every year. Most were nonwhite or folks of color. We need to stand up, reject the contract and make all future negotiations public. Thank you. Thank you for your comments. Operations, please bring us the next caller. Caller i just want to echo what everyone else said. Reject the contract and reject the poa. Clerk next caller, please. Caller i am rachel. I live in district 4 demanding the gao protect the safety of back and brown by rejecting the racist Police Officer contract renegotiation and hold a public hearing. I have been an essential worker providing medical care to protect lives of san franciscans. It is an insultuled negotiate with Police Officer association that has disregard for the lives of san franciscans. A recent study found violent misconduct increased 40 after a Supreme Court ruling allowed the unionizing. This has rejected prohibiting officers from shooting at moving cars which is how Jessica Williams was murdered in 2016 and the restraint which killed garner in new york. They threatened a lawsuit weeks after the killing of george floyd. This summer tens of thousands of people demanded the end of Police Violence. Negotiations need to be held so community can get in put. Poa policies are life and death. The contract has to introduce concessions to the contract. When cities like chicago ask for disciplinary concessions why is San Francisco not asking and another Police Killing less than a month ago. I am asking you stand up to the racist Police Fraternity and make future negotiations public. Clerk next caller, please. Caller i am catalina from district 4. I de planned the Committee Reject the Contract Negotiations and not pass out of committee. This is what the p. L. A. Wants two additional years of raises through 2023. Sets up for the next contract in the mayorial year with more leverage. Why is San Francisco not asking for policy after another Police Killing less than a month ago. Negotiations should be held in public so the community can have public. The poa policies are not life and death. Stand up to the Police Fraternity and make future negotiations public. Clerk next caller, please. Caller i am sarah. I have lived my whole life on occupied land also known as San Francisco, specifically in district 8. I am calling like many others to ask that you please do your job and reexamine and reject the contract and not tak take it to committee. I understand there is a lot of back scratching in committee and in the board of supervisors you have to vote search ways to ensure other members of the board will vote for your agenda, but as we have heard among Community Members and demand of the black and brown communities in San Francisco, this isnt working and this policy will violently affect peoples lives. It doesnt make sense to pass this through committee and leave it to the board to deal with. It woulit would not be there responsibility. This is what makes up racism. Institutional approval of racist policies and behaviors with no concession, no policy concessions and raises for the officers. I echo what many before have said before me, and please, please reject this. I yield my time. Clerk thank you. Operations could you please bring us the next caller. Caller i am jeff. I live in district five. I am calling to reject the poa contract. Future negotiations should be held in public so the public can have input to demand the policy concessions that we are demanding on the phone right now in Public Comment. I yield my time. Clerk thanthank you for area sharing your comments. Next caller, please. Caller i live in district 4. I am calling in solidarity to ask the committee to please reject this contract and make all future negotiations public. The results are clear we stand to open the door to defund the police. This current contract is not for two years. Thank you. I yield my time. Clerk next caller, please. Caller i am Anna Danielson in district five. I am inol darety to command the Committee Reject and not pass out of committee. Please make all future negotiations public. We need to have more Community Members speaking on this rather than people doing this behind closed doors. I am baffled after the summer when tens of thousands of people hit the streets of San Francisco demanding the end of Police Violence nothing has changed. Since the month they killed the man in the street. There is demand for transformation to approach for Public Safety this perpetuates the status quo and gives two additional years of praises with no policy concessions to prevent killing another person. Poa has a long history of defending officers engaged in racist scandals and commit extreme acts of violence against communities including the killing of dozens of black and brown san franciscans. In june they threatened the lawsuit to kneel on the neck of San Francisco residents weeks after that same move killed george floyd. This is racist. I am asking the poa to reject this contract. Stand up to our citys Police Fraternity and make all future negotiations public. Thank you. Clerk thank you. Next caller, please. That completes the queue. Thank you so much, mr. Clerk and operations. Hearing no further callers, Public Comment is closed. I want to maybe first thank the dhr director and controllor, chief scott and for responding to the questions today. To the members of public who came out to speak today. I share your deep concerns the poa m. O. U. Failed to include concessions or address the delay and obstructor gently needed reforms included 272 recommendations from the d. O. J. The dew prthe process is more cn the Global Pandemic and uncertain economic downturn and growth of Racial Justice movement fueled by lethal Police Misconduct and interaction. I feel the need to emphasize a point that rudy of the sf Labor Council and a few other speakers made. This process began with the mayor directing the negotiation of a quiet deal with the Police Officers association, the deal she felt necessary to close the budget deficit that wases assumed in the mayors budget when it was handed to the Budget Committee of the board of supervisors. Supervisors were not willing to find the funds for ass for services for families and residents. The mayors narrow directive resulting in the m. O. U. Before us is a lost opportunity for Police Reform that is desperately needed. We have a contract that does not offer more because the Mayors Office has not demanded it. Leadership on police labor negotiations has to come from the top. It was the failure of this administration. The boards role is limited. We are not at the bargaining table. We cannot change the terms. Only the mayor and dhr can negotiate the Labor Agreements. We can only express support or rejection of the contract. The labor negotiation process is a tool to advance needed reform because the poa could refuse to come to to table on specific terms the city would try to impose. Still, however limin. Commissioner lim they are t the contract to force us to dig deep in the budget during the economic downtown to fundraises for Police Officers. This would be without a clear guarantee of a better deal. I have yet to be convinced that rejecting the m. O. U. Will move us closer to Police Accountable and systems reform. For many whom i work with it doesnt feel sufficient when two years ago the bolder used the power of inquiry to build leverage and make some gains. Moving forward we must use every tool available for our shared goals including the meet and confer process. Two days ago at the board of supervisors meeting, i called for a hearing on the dhr to prefer process to shed light on the relationship with poa contract and Police Reforms. We must identify policies anden sure that will not be used as a tool to show down reform. I have heard about requiring dhr to notice meetings, consult with Key Stakeholders, refrain from conferring on management and other process reforms. This conversation will be transparent and open to the public. Unlike the process for the m. O. U. , i will involve the chief of police, Police Commission, criminal justice and advocates on Police Reform. The board cant negotiate labor contracts but we can legislates change. I share the passion of the advocates here and share the desire to rebuild the complex systems. I am unconvinced the negotiation process that has played out is the appropriate point to refer. I am certain that the importance of this topic and conversation wants a full conversation at a full board. I would like to hear from my colleagues before my final decision. Supervisors peskin and haney, i believe the most appropriate Committee Action today would be for us to send the poa m. O. U. To the full board without recommendations. I would love to hear your thoughts on this. Supervisor haney. Supervisor peskin. Thank you, chair mar. You summarized the recent history very, very well. While this is a missed opportunity in many kays, as you arat this time lated articulated. Within the pd in the leadership under chief scott as well as in large part because of the pendency of the m. O. U. And ongoing hearings on the d. O. J. Recommendations as well as modest children in the leadership of poa, there has been some progress. I think in some part, if i may, because the poa has changed Legal Council and, finally, gotten a lawyer who is much less obstructive than his predecessor. As a result i believe ms. Preston can speak to this. A lot of the frivolous use of meet and confer and other roadblocks that under mires brown the poa have been resolved. I do believe under the leadership of at least the new council to the poa, if not some of the members and leadership of the poa, we have gotten rid of the vast majority of these frivolous meet and confers meant to jam up the system. This doesnt mean this is the way they will continue to behaving. We have to keep the pedal to the metal. There are willing other ways to do that. Some frankly are at the state level. Pro bar at the state level, reforms to meyers brown not within our control. The way arbitrations go down are not within our control. I would like to try to turn the page with a somewhat more sentiment Police Officers association which is not a union but is a bargaining unit with rights in the same way as maa, mea appointed out to me earlier the seiu is affiliate would with the aflcio, for whatever that is worth. My hope is that the we send this forward without recommendation as suggested by chair mar, there may be other relatively modest but important concessions that we may be able to get in the intervening period. I would conquer with that sentiment and want to add my voice to thanking members of the public and our various city staff for their attendance and presentations. Thank you, supervisor peskin. Supervisor haney . I said a lot of i thought about this and asked questions earlier. I want to thank everybody who called in and the staff here. I hope we have all held how strong the demands are for change for the systematic sweeping changes to policing in the city. I think we are in a position with this m. O. U. That frankly is very frustrating. We have the choice to vote it up or down. Voting it down means the police get raises immediately and we have been told as we have heard from some of the folks who called in this could mean layoffs of other city workers, which is something none of us want. On the other hand we clearly me need to reform if we work with dhr, hearings you have called, supervisor mar, the ways meet and confer has been used and abused, and we have seen a slowing every forms that have come as a result of that constant utilization of meet and confer. We should look at ways if we are restricted by state law where we can reform that process, even how we act and what we can do. I think that is an important thing. I also think that what we have heard i is that the policy chans that need to take place, need leadership from this board, the Police Commission, from leadership from the police chief and take mayor and those things need to happen and be acseller rated to the extent that the contract affects that, that is something we need to look at very closely. What you believe, director and what the chief beliefs is that the reforms will happen quicker and be more reliable and effective if they happen by the Police Commission and by the policymaking policies of the city. You know, i also think it is important another reason why if we send this out we cou we do it without recommendation. We are expecting a forecast from the controller about the updated fiscal situation. I think the board should weigh that when the decision is made. With that i will support the motion that you have put forward, supervisor mar, but i definitely hear the very serious and widespread demands we have heard from the public today and have seen on the streets and know are very real in our city and overdue. Thank you. Colleagues. Obviously, today is not the end of the conversation. I know i am going to continue to listen to addvo cats and experts between now and the full board meeting. We will keep an open mind about it. We will support a viable reform strategy should the contract be rejected. With that i guess i would like to make a motion that we recommend items 4 through 11. The other labor m. O. U. To the board with positive recommendations. We send item 13 to the full board without recommendations. Do you want to take those motions separately, mr. Chair . Sure. On the motion offered by chair mar agenda items 4, 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 10, 11 be recommended for consideration by november 17. Peskin. Aye. Haney. Aye. Chair mar. Aye. There are three ayes. Thank you. Then on the motion offered by chair mar agenda item 13 be sept to the board of supervisors with no recommendation with the government and Audit Oversight Committee for consideration on november 17. Peskin. Aye. Haney. Aye. Chair mar. Aye. Mr. Chair, there are three ayes. Thank you. Thank you everyone for this long and important discussion. Mr. Clerk are there any further items. No further business before the committee. We are adjourned. As latinos we are unified in some ways and incredibly diverse in others and this exhibit really is an exploration of nuance in how we present those ideas. Our debts are not for sale. A piece about sanctuary and how his whole family served in the army and its a long Family Tradition and these people that look at us as foreigners, we have been here and we are part of america, you know, and we had to reinforce that. I have been cure rating here for about 18 year. 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I think it goes back to asking people to bring their visions of what it means to honor the dead, and so for us its not asking us to make mexican altars if they are not mexican, its really to share and expand our vision of what it means to honor the dead. People are very respectful. I can show you this year alone of people who call tol ask is it okay if we come, we are hawaii or asian or we are this. What should we wear . What do you recommend that we do . They say oh, you know, we want a four day of the dead and its all hybrid in this country. What has happened are paper cuts, its so hybrid. It has spread to mexico from the bay area. We have influence on a lot of people, and im proud of it. A lot of tim times they dont represent we represent a lot of cultures with a lot of different perspectives and beliefs. I can see the city changes and its scary. When we first started a lot of people freaked out thinking we were a cult and things like that, but we went out of our way to also make it educational through outreach and that is why we started doing the prosession in 1979. As someone who grew up attending the yearly processions and who has seen them change incrementally every year into kind of what they are now, i feel in many ways that the cat is out of the bag and there is no putting the genie back into the bottle in how the wider public accesses the day of the dead. I have been through three different generations of children who were brought to the procession when they were very young that are now bringing their children or grandchildren. In the 80s, the processions were just kind of electric. Families with their homemade visuals walking down the street in San Francisco. Service so much more intimate and personal and so much more rooted in kind of a Family Practice of a very strong cultural practice. It kind of is what it is now and it has gone off in many Different Directions but i will always love the early days in the 80s where it was so intimate and son sofa millial. Our goal is to rescue a part of the culture that was a part that we could invite others to join in there there by where we invite the person to come help us rescue rescue it also. Thats what makes it unique. You have to know how to approach this changing situation, its exhausting and i have seen how it has affected everybody. Whats happening in mission and the relationship with the police, well its relevant and its relevant that people think about it that day of the dead is not just sugar skulls and paper flowers and candles, but its become a nondenominational tradition that people celebrate. Our culture is about color and family and if that is not present in your life, there is just no meaning to it you know . We have artists as black and brown people that are in direct danger of the direct policies of the trump a administration and i think how each of the artists has responsibilitie responded ss interesting. The common [ ] my familys starts in mexico in a small town. My parents are from a very, very small town. So small, that my dads brother is married to one of my moms sisters. Its that small. A lot of folks from that town are here in the city. Like most immigrant families, my parents wanted a better life for us. My dad came out here first. I think i was almost twoyearsold when he sent for us. My mom and myself came out here. We moved to San Francisco early on. In the Mission District and moved out to daily city and bounced back to San Francisco. We lived across the street from the ups building. For me, when my earliest memories were the big brown trucks driving up and down the street keeping us awake at night. When i was sevenyearsold and im in charge of making sure we get on the bus on time to get to school. I have to make sure that we do our homework. Its a lot of responsibility for a kid. The weekends were always for family. We used to get together and whether we used to go watch a movie at the new Mission Theater and then afterwards going to Kentucky Fried Chicken. That was big for us. We get Kentucky Fried Chicken on sunday. Whoa go crazy so for me, home is having something where you are all together. Whether its just together for dinner or whether its together for breakfast or sharing a special moment at the holidays. Whether its thanksgiving or christmas or birthdays. That is home. Being so close to berkley and oakland and San Francisco, theres a line. Here you dont see a line. Even though you see someone thats different from you, theyre equal. Youve always seen that. A rainbow of colors, a ryan bow of personalities. When you think about it you are supposed to be protecting the kids. They have dreams. They have aspirations. They have goals. And you are take that away from them. Right now, the price is a hard fight. Theyre determined. I mean, these kids, you have to applaud them. Their heart is in the right place. Theres hope. I mean, out here with the things changing everyday, you just hope the next administration makes a change that makes things right. Right now theres a lot of changes on a lot of different levels. The only thing you hope for is for the future of these young kids and young folks that are getting into politics to make the right move and for the folks who cant speak. Dy mind motion. Even though we have a lot of fighters, theres a lot of voice less folks and their voiceless because theyre scared. The market is one of our vehicles for reaching out to public and showing them how to prepare delicious, simple food. People are amazed that the library does things like that. Biblio bistro is a Food Education program. It brings such joy to people. It teaches them life skills that they can apply anywhere, and it encourages them to take care of themselves. My name is leaf hillman, and im a librarian, and biblio bistro is my creation. Im a former chef, and i have been incubating this idea for many years. We are challenged to come up with an idea that will move the library into the future. This inspired me to think, what can we do around cooking . What can i do around cooking . We were able to get a cart. The charlie cart is designed to bring cooking to students in Elementary Students that has enough gear on it to teach 30 students cooking. So when i saw that, i thought bingo, thats what were missing. You can do cooking classes in the library, but without a kitchen, its difficult. To have everything contained on wheels, thats it. I do cooking demonstrations out at the market every third wednesday. I feature a seafood, vegetable, and i show people how to cook the vegetable. A lot of our residents live in s. R. O. S, single resident occupancies, and they dont have access to full kitchens. You know, a lot of them just have a hot plate, a microwave, and the thing that biblio bistro does really well is cook food accessible in season and make it available that day. We handout brochures with the featured recipe on the back. This recipe features mushrooms, and this brochure will bring our public back to the library. Libraries are about a good time. I hired a former chef. Shes the tickle queen at the ramen shop in rockwood. We get all ages. We get adults and grandparents and babies, and, you know, schoolage kids, and its just been super terrific. I was a bit reluctant because i train teachers and adults. I dont train children. I dont work with children, and i find it very interesting and a bit scary, but working here really taught me a lot, you know, how easily you can influence by just showing them what we have, and its not threatening, and its tasty and fun. I make it really fun with kids because i dont look like a teacher. In the mix, which is our team center, we have programs for our kids who are age 13 to 18, and those are very hands on. The kids often design the menu. All of our programs are very interactive. Today, we made pasta and garlic bread and some sauce. Usually, i dont like bell pepper in my sauce, but i used bell pepper in my sauce, and it complemented the sauce really well. I also grated the garlic on my bread. I never thought about that technique before, but i did it, and it was so delicious. We try to teach them techniques where they can go home and tell their families, i made this thing today, and it was so delicious. Theyre kind of addicted to these foods, these processed foods, like many people are. I feel like we have to do what we can to educate people about that. The reality is we have to live in a world that has a lot of choices that arent necessarily good for you all the time. This is interesting, but its a reaction to how children are brought up. It is fastfood, and the apple is a fastfood, and so that sort of changes the way they think about convenience, how eating apple is convenient. One of the things that i love about my program out at the market is the surprise and delight on peoples faces when they finally taste the vegetable. Its been transformative for some people. They had never eaten those vegetables before, but now, they eat them on a regular basis. All they require is a hot plate and a saute pan, and they realize that theyre able to cook really healthy, and its also tasty. They also understand the importance of the connection that were making. These are our Small Business owners that are growing our food and bringing it fresh to the market for them to consume, and then, im helping them consume it by teaching them how to cook. It connects people to the food that theyre buying. The magic of the classes in the Childrens Center and the team center is that the participants are cooking the food themselves, and once they do that, they understand their connection to the food, to the tools, and it empowers them. Were brokering new experiences for them, so that is very much whats happening in the biblio bistro program. We are introducing kids many times to new vocabulary. Names of seasonings, names of vegetables, names of what you call procedures. I had my little cooking experience. All i cooked back then was Grilled Cheese and scrambled eggs. Now, i can actually cook curry and a few different thing zblz a. And the parents are amazed that what were showing them to cook is simple and inexpensive. I didnt know this was so easy to make. Ive only bought it in the market. Those comments have been amazing, and yeah, its been really wonderful. We try to approach everything here with a well, just try it. Just try it once, and then, before you know it, its gone. A lot of people arent sure how to cook cauliflower or kale or fennel or whatever it is, and leah is really helpful at doing that. I think having someone actually teaching you here is a great experience. And its the art of making a meal for your family members and hope that they like it. I think they should come and have some good food, good produce that is healthy and actually very delicious. Cooking is one of my biggest passions, to be able to share, like, my passion with others, and skills, to h [chain saw whirring] [growling] listen, you are extremely terrifying just the scariest undead thing on tv, and i really mean that. I am worried that you could give my kids nightmares if they see you, so im gonna have to block you. [sighs] so, thats it. Oh, and tell the zombies theyre blocked, too. Test. Test. Test. Test captions. Test captions. Test captions. Thank you. [roll call] i have the pleasure of chairing the committee today. 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