Hand, so thats the first question that i have, and then, i have a second question. So i see you richard has joined me. I didnt know that you were going to be there. I dont know if you had some comments that you were going to make. But i know that our Workforce Development is actively working on courses, and theyre not necessarily going to be in person. I think were trying to develop doing some zoom meetings and expanding what we can do even in this in this time of covid19. And you may have some things some specific courses that you want to talk about. Richard is working in our Course Development team, and do you mind making some comments . Hi, mark, can you unmute me . Yes, youre unmuted. Thank you. Greetin greetings, commissioners. My name is [inaudible], and we take work culture seriously because employees are empowered when they are taken seriously. First, we provide training fore communication with diverse teams. We provide special trainings for managers in respecting and respect in the workplace. We consult with managers. We offer confidential consultation to managers to really help them understand their power and their responsibility towards creating a respectful and equitable culture, and this work has mostly you know, mostly been done in the past two years, and i think weve seen significant engagement h. R. Has seen significant engagement with its workforce where i feel like weve been able to win the trust of our employees, that h. R. Is here for you. We are a tiny team, and we are a mighty team, and we really thank michael in his leadership for understanding the role of just what h. R. Can do to advance a culture of respect and belonging. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you, reecha. I think this leads to my second question. We are in such an unprecedented time right now, and a lot of workplace talks about, you know, at the the amount of stress, you know, employees are facing. Are we doing anything in particular to, like, really help with, you know, like, our employees to cope with, you know, the escalated stress because of, like, you know, external environments and also, you know, like, some of you know, these responses to covid, you know, which led people to start working from home and all these kinds of settings, yeah . So one of the things that i wanted to say, is because we had to reach out to e. A. T. , they are available 247. I did put out a memo in relation to some stressful event, where employees need to know that they can reach out and have someone to talk to 247. They dont have to go down to that office and do that. In terms of other other things, any suggestions, reecha, that we are working on . Absolutely. The first thing we focused on as covid came to San Francisco, and we entered shelter in place, is how do we address our new employees joining in place, especially those joining Frontline Services to understand how we have a trauma informed approach . We partnered with a trauma informed approach team, and moving ahead, we are actually creating a virtual instructor led training to our new supervisors are feeling well trained, not just looking at a staffing module but being in n interactive space where they can stop any kind of harm from trauma affecting them. Those are our initial efforts. We also continue to post resources from the Employee Assistance program on our share point site, and i can tell you that in our individual oneonone consultations with employees, i think we continue to address that stress as well by connecting them to the right resources and people as quickly as possible. [please stand by] learned a lot of lessons from this period. Any other questions or comments from commissioners . It looks like commissioner christian has her hand up. Yes, thank you. I want to say thank you for this rich and thought provoking and upbeat in a very important substantive way that this presentation is about the work that you are doing at the department. And im a City Employee so my mind you talk about what youre doing here and i think about my and my colleagues are experiencing, wondering how much is centralized at d. P. H. Central. And how much is how much is free standing. But i want to thank you for your energy, both of you, and the things that youre doing. I dont know how often these update comes but i think that especially at a time that were trying to address systemic inequality and to create and break those are affecting our community and increase Peoples Health the health of the people in the city and county of San Francisco. Therestheres equity that youe trying to nourish within the department and the ability of the department and the city to care for the health of the people in San Francisco, especially those populations who have experienced and continue to experience a lot of disproportionate lack of attention and resources and very poor health. And so this is so important. And, i mean, i would be interested in hearing updates and just hearing from you about what youre doing and what youre thinking on a quarterly basis. But i dont know how often these presentations tend to take pla place. I would be glad to come back and to do work in the next quarter. I dont have you on the calendar, but we can talk with the Commission Leadership and see what we can do. Thank you. And another question that i had was how much of the work that you talk about with respect to managers and higher the people that doing the hiring, how much is mandatory for the managers . I dont know how much training the city requires people who step into that role of management to have and how much accountability they have to show for the things that have happened within the areas that theyre responsible for. I would hope that across the city and certainly in this department that there would be a pretty robust in engagement betn those who are responsible for others and the careers and the work experiences for people who work on their teams. Thats a great question. So i dont know if grant even knew what i was going to say today. I think that some of those points but it is something that is being felt citywide. You know that we are losing our director of Human Resources. And we will getting a new director of Human Resources hopefully still focused in what we need to do and going in that route. I have already started engaging in conversations with, lets say, the big i think theyre called the big five or the big six departments to talk about issues, diversity and where we need to go and the data and the metrics and the things that we need to look at. I have already started conversations with the Civil Service commission, which is a committee that talks about policy and procedures and rule changes to help with h. R. And, no, im not going to apply for the d. H. R. Job. Thats not going to happen. [laughter] but so the discussion is there. I think that most people dont know the responsibility of what i was just saying and thats something that has to be put out, it has to be not necessarily from h. R. , but it has to come from topdown and it had been to be bought as were all going to embrace this. Were all going to look at this in realtime and in real situations. And to be proactive about what were going to do. So its new. This is new. This is something that its going to be a culture change, and its not going to happen overnight. But weve got to get there. I want to once again say thank you and i appreciate what youre saying and what youre focusing on and thank you all for your work in the department here at d. P. H. Thank you. Any other comments or questions. Mark, any hands . Im not sure if dr. Colfax wants to close out the item with any comments . Just to thank you, just really quickly, thank you, michael. And michael and i when we talked about your joining the Department Last november, i dont think that any of us expected we knew that there was a lot to do and i think that you have done a remarkable job in bringing the department if a new direction that we needed to go. And thank you for bringing this data forward and to committing to the work. I also want to thank rega for her work and her team. And karen hill, i believe that karen is on the line and just done an incredible job in our covid19 response and hiring people. Theres a lot of work to do as you saw from the data, but i think we are moving in the right direction. And im just so pleased with the work that this team has done. In unprecedented circumstances, not to say that theres no challenges, theres a lot of things to prove but it will take time but, michael, and thank you for your commitment, so, thanks. Commissioners, with your item we can move to item 11, which is other business. Ill send out a new calendar to you, commissioner christian noted that i had the september the next september meeting wrong, it should be september 15, not 16. And then the october 1st joint meeting with the Planning Commission to discuss Health Care Service master plan is going to be postponed and i will send that out later but i wanted to give you heads up. Any other question or business on this item . Okay. So i believe that you have a consideration for adjournment at this point. Is there any motion to adjourn . Motion to adjourn. I second. I will do a roll call. Clerk [roll call] thank you all. Congratulations to commissioner green for i think your first meeting. Thank you. Thank you all. Have a good night. Be safe, everyone. Byebye. I am vivian coe. Carman chu cofounded the challenge along in 2018, along with the department on the status of women, as well as the league of women voters in San Francisco. Our mission is to raise womens voices and their voting power. You can learn more about our initiative on our website wchallenge. Org. Before we start, i would like to thank our w challenge partners and supports and occur cohosts and our cohosts listed in the shared screen before. For organizing todays event, as well as kicking off a social Media Campaign as this years challenge. We want to encourage more women to vote, especially for this upcoming election. Well share more details later on in the program. You can learn more about the initiative on wchallenge. Org 100 women. Todays event will stream live on sfgovtv. Org youtube channel, as well as the citys facebook and twitter accounts. I want to thank our colleagues here from sfgov tv for working in the backgrounds and making this event as successful as possible for everyone. You can feel free to share the links and host a watch party if you want on your preferred social media platforms, because we will be having them on facebook and twitter. This session will be recorded for future references. So lets get started. Happy womens equality day. May i kindly ask the president of the commission on the status of women to join us, bree anna swat, to officially kickstart the celebration of todays event. Thank you. Thank you so much, vivian, for the kind introduction. And really thank you to all staff for making this happen. I know we would normally be on the steps of stahl. But i appreciate everyones creativity and flexibility of making this a Virtual Event as well. My name is brianna and im privileged to serve as the president of the nations strongest commission and department on the status of women, right here in San Francisco. It was on this day 100 years ago that the 19th amendment was added to the constitution of the united states. In the process of extending the right to vote to women across the country. And on november 2nd, 1920, more than 8 million women voted for the first time in the president ial election. The moment was a culmination of a Movement Made with tears, pain, sweat, a long strug that will included activism and leadership of black, indigenous, and women of color, too many who who were later written out of history books. These women, who fought, marched, organized and protested for decades to gain the right to vote. We are right to celebrate this day as a milestone and recognize that equal votes rights were not achieved for all women through the 19th amendment. The Voting Rights act, passed 55 years ago, brought us closer to equal Voting Rights. However, the struggle continues. And the need for vigilance goes on. As we were reminded in 21, when the Supreme Court gutted, these attacks on the democracy continue through this very hour, the tactics evolve. But honestly the intent remains the same. It was once literacy test, and outright violent intimidation. Today we see the closing of polling places in communities of color be and attacks on voting by mail. In short, the fight continues on for the right to vote. Today is more than a day of celebration, but to continue in the struggle and the moment to look ahead to the next 100 yea years. And 9 moment to ensure our democracy is truly representative. Over the last century, women have also fought to gain access in classrooms, board room, and elected it office, elected office. We have seen the power of womens leadership with each advance. We see that Diverse Voices and perspectives, equity and inclusion bring new ideas, new insights to the halls of power. Weve seen that right here from our Vantage Point in San Francisco, with our own representative nancy pelosi, the first and only woman to serve as speaker of the house, our two female senators and now Vice President ial candidate kamala harris. As i said earlier, i wish we could all be gathered in person together. This is not how anyone could have imagined 2020 would look. But it also reminds us how important it is to have strong and capable leaders. And how connected we are together. In honor of our ancestors, our foremothers, our sisters and the struggle, i am so proud to kick off this event and to bring together our two city female elected officials, women who not only forged the path, but always bring others along with them. Carmen chu as served as the elected assessor since 2013. Her efforts in the in performing the office and successfully reversing decades of old backlog, earned her office the prestigious 2020 Good Government award, an hon father recognizing the excellence in Public Sector management and stewardship. Assessor chu has also recently taken on a new leadership role to cochair the Economic Recovery Task force, using her fiscal expertise to help San Francisco through an unprecedented Economic Impact from covid19 pandemic. On top of all of this, she is Vice President of the california assessors association, served on the employees retirement system board, overseeing the investments of 26 billion in public Pension System and a little provides direction on the executive board of spur, a nonprofit focused on developing Regional Solutions to crosscounty challenges like Housing Affordability and climate resilience. In addition to all of these wonderful things, and all of these new roles, she has a new role as a mother. And is forever a Public Servant with her values rooted in her experience growing up as a daughter of immigrants. Thank you for your leadership, assessor chu, thank you for being here. And finally its my honor to welcome our mayor, london breed. In 2018, mayor breed was elected to be the first africanamerican woman and the second woman in San Franciscos history to serve as mayor. She was reelected for her first full term in november 2019. She led San Franciscos Emergency Response to covid19 with grit and grace. And is currently guiding the citys phased reopening and economic recovery. Recently mayor breed announced since becoming mayor, her priorities have included helping the citys Homeless Population and to care and shelter and adding more housing for residents of all income levels. Helping those suffering from Mental Health and substanceuse disorders, and ensuring that all san franciscans have access to a thriving economy. Furthering San Franciscos leadership and combating Climate Change and honestly the list goes on and on. So thank you all again for being here. Im excited to get this conversation started. Thank you, breanna, for such a nice introduction. We will now ask our assessor carmen chu, the cofounder of the w challenge, to give some introduction remarks, as we are awaiting for the mayor to join us shortly. Thank you. First off, i want to just thank everybody, all of our partner organizations, breanna, for your wonderful and warm introduction. Thank you all for joining us in this virtual way. I think that this is a special day, a day that i think as breanna mentioned, women were able to win the right to vote. It did take decades, though, for Indigenous Women and women of color to also be able to participate. So i think as we take the moment to celebrate this milestone in our history, its also important to recognize that the struggles for participation, the struggle for representation still continues even as we speak. It is highlighted not only from what were seeing from the federal attacks, in terms of womens rights and the place of women, but also when were thinking about even how we are all seeing the response to covid19. I think its not lost on so many of us that covid19, though it is a disease that impacts everyone, it has not been impacting our communities in an equal way. Weve seen a disproportionate impact on our Lateef Hasani grat latinx communities. Women bear the brown in the industries most impacted negatively by covid19, health care sectors, education, childcare. And not only that, but we are also seeing that women also are playing a role of double duty, even triple duty when it comes to not only balancing their jobs, employment, careers and also childcare and elder care. This is something that is intimately experienced by so many of us. For myself, as a young mother, with a 15monthold daughter and having my elderly parents now sheltering in place with us, i feel that impact. And yet i find myself really understanding how fortunate i am, even to be in a place that i am now and to be able to still have a child. So many of the people that were talking about have lost their jobs, are on the verge of losing their businesses and their homes. It really does highlight the importance of recognizing the impacts of covid and the opportunity to really step up. And so today we have a unique opportunity to be able to talk about women leadership, especially at this time. I think as breanna had mentioned earlier, theres a Cross Section of home things happening, in addition to the challenges that we have with covid19, were seeing wildland fires across the state of california, thats brought about by Climate Change. Were not only seeing that, but continued challenges at the federal level when it comes to our immigrant communities and people of color. And so again were really, really excited to have the mayor today to be able to speak more about womens leadership and the importance of that going forward. And so i see that our mayor has joined us. And so i want to welcome london to the program. I think todays going to be a very its going to be a unique opportunity. We rarely have the chance to be able to interview each other and have a candid conversation. So it will be a lot of fun to be able to do that today. But just a moment right before you came on, mayor breed, breanna was able to share some really great information about your bio. Today people are really looking forward to get to know more about you and your leadership style as we go forward. I think as you know we started the w challenge a few years ago and youve been a strong supporter from the beginning. I think one of participated every single year that we have come together to talk about the sponsor of voting and womens participation. This year our challenge is to really make sure were highlighting the 100year history of at least 100 great, amazing women leaders. So we really want to tell the story of womens leadership through the years. And how we all build upon those histories, in order to be where we are today. So again im super excited to bring mayor breed on to the show today. Im going to ask you the first question. But actually before we do that, why dont i ask you to introduce or say a few words if youd like to, to commemorate the 100 yearanniversary. Well, thank you so much, carmen. Its, of course, always great being with you and talking about important issues in our city, pour importantly celebrating 100 years of women receiving the right to vote. We all know sadly, with the history of this country, that did not include women of color. And we know that, you know, when i think about from a perspective of where we are now in this country, and how there is finally a reckoning that is occurring around race and around inequality and whats happening to people, as a result of that spark that sadly involves the death of george floyd, i think this is the perfect time to start to have these honest conversations about this. Because from my perspective, you know, our differences are what makes us a better city. Its what makes us a better country. I hope my phone is not too loud. I dont know how to turn it off. But it makes us a better it makes us a better city. It makes us a better country. And i think that it starts with the next generation and it also needs to be embedded in our young people at an early age, that in a way that could effectively allow for change. Because the sad reality is we know a lot of this is taught in the home. Its taught, you know, early on. And it develops into who you are as a person naturally. We have to get to the point of all of that. We have to be prepared to have the honest conversations about our differences, you know, how we all fit into this world. And how working together we can make things better. And ive got to be honest. No one does that better than women. [laughter] but we are, you know, multitaskers and its naturally who we are. So as we celebrate, you know, the right to vote for him, we have to also keep in mind there was a time that women couldnt vote in this country. There was a time that black people couldnt vote in this country. There was a time that folks were discriminated against and hung just because they wanted to exercise their right. We dishonor their memory and sacrifice when we dont show up to make our voices heard. Thats the celebration should remind us about those people and what they sacrificed and how we have appear obligation to not only exercise our right to vote ourselves, but to make sure that we are lifting up others to do the same. And that we are also making it clear to the next generation how significant it is for them to do so as well. Yes. Glad to be here. Absolutely. I think the points you make really do resonate, because i think that the fight continues, right. Even now i mean were continuing to see the inequities continue to be part of our daily lives. We need to really speak honestly about it. It is really hard. It is hard to talk about race, because its uncomfortable. Unless we start to get to a place where we can do that, i dont know how we start to dismantle whats there, right. And even within the last covid response, weve been seeing a lot of rise in antiasian sentiments, people blaming the Asian Community for whats happening. I think even then we need allies, we need people to say thats not right, thats not okay, thats not the reason why we are in the place that we are. And so i think theres a lot of there is a lot of hurt and theres a lot of healing that we need to be responsible for. Yep. And also, carmen, you know, think about i dont believe theres one person on this earth who hasnt been disrespected in some way. Absolutely. And they now that hurts. And it doesnt feel good. Im sure youve been called racial names. Ive been called names. And when you think about that, why would you want somebody else to feel that way. Thats right. And i think that we have to start to get to, you know, the root causes of how those things developed. And we have to have honest conversations. And just, you know, for example, i still have people in my family who make certain comments and use certain, you know, racial slurs that i have to correct. And theyre basically like, well, we always said that. And i dont do it because im mayor. I want to be clear. But i do it because its offensive to the people that claim we respect, right. Its like when you use those terms and you dont understand its not appropriate. Why would you continue to do that. So dont tell me you have a friend who is gay or you have a friend who is chinese and you have a friend who is this and they dont have a problem with it. I dont care. I have a problem with it. Yeah. Because i would be offended if someone used certain comments and words against me. But we have to also educate our Family Members, especially our older Family Members about terminologies that are just not appropriate to say about other people. Yeah. And i think that its absolutely true. I think the more that we can personalize and share with our family what our expectations are and what it means for people, i think the better i think we all grow up with certain experiences and we all have preconceived notions about people and we all have ways to shortcut what we think. But ting what is important that we recognize that they exist, right, that we might have biases that exist. And make sure that they dont drive how we make decisions or they dont drive how it is that we interact with people. I think thats whats really important. Its not to say that any of us are perfect or we dont have biases. But its to recognize that we do. Yeah. To make sure we dont let that motivate us, right. I think as you mentioned, when we have an opportunity to give a different perspective when a Family Member or anyone is making a generalization about a particular community, its to say why do you say that. I dont think thats true. That generalization actually is wrong. What would you think if they said this about our community, right. Its to make sure we kind of do that we continue to grow and evolve. Were in the middle of a global pandemic. No one thought we would be having to deal with Something Like this. Not only that. Were say its where we have conversations and were having a reckoning when it comes to institutional racism, police brutality. So i want to know what does it feel like to be mayor of a city like San Francisco during this time. Do you thinking about a woman mayor makes a difference . Oh, my god. Carmen its a big question. I mean, no one can prepare for this kind of thing, you know. Well, ill just say that, you know, im very spiritual. And when i became mayor, even to this very day, based on my circumstances, i still cant believe that someone like me could actually be mayor of San Francisco. It still its almost unreal. I wake up in the morning, its like, yep, youre still mayor. And its still blowing me away. And then when i think about what i have come into and my personal background and my experiences. Talking about creative in times such as this. And that was kind of the message. And because i will say i was in my head wondering whats going on here. You know, is this the end of the world. Like global pandemic. The fires, the unrest, all of the protests, all of this stuff. I was just like, wow. And then our president , right like this is like almost as if im watching a movie. And its not real. But its real. And its our life. And what i realizeif i were not mayor, how would i want to feel. And how would i want my leaders to waive in a way that help to behave in a way that helps reassure me that things will be okay. Yeah. And so thats how ive made the decisions that i have made. And by being completely honest with the public every step of the way. And also letting the public know we dont know what the future holds, which you typically as a politician should not maybe say or people think you should not say. But i think that, you know, we as women, were kind of realists. And we feel strongly about like, for example, your mother, you know, you know how it is where you want to do everything for your kids, but you also have to say, no. We cant. Oh, my gosh. I told you. I dont say no. Im going to get you, ca car. You have to man up. [laughter] but youve got it like but part of saying to our children is to protect them. Yeah. Its part of what is important in our natural this is naturally how we are. Were nurturing people as women in most cases. And we care about doing whats right for folks. And i think that has been a guiding principle for me, because its not easy, of course. And, you know, like, for example, you think that it doesnt hurt my heart to see people sleeping on the ground or its not that i dont like seeing it, it just hurts. Its a human being thats sleeping on the ground. And in my mind i cant help but when we go past and, you know, honestly i pray for them and i also ask god to help give me the strength to be able to do this job and to make things better for people. Its not about the complaints. Its about the need to try and get people to help and the support that they need. So i think, you know, in terms of governing, its just i am doing the best that i can. I am listening to various advisers, but also members of the public with their emails and their comments and their suggestions and trying to make good decisions. Because a lot of people are counting on me. Theyre counting on me. Its not london, its the mayor as a symbol of, you know, the leader of the city. And theyre counting on me to make good decisions, to keep them safe. And so thats how i see my job. And its important to make sure that were doing what were doing. And thats really why when i mean, we cant just do one thing, we have to do a lot of things. And thats why i was like, carmen is one of those people that i respect, as it relates to money management. [laughter] and fiscal responsibility. Shes like bringing in the bread. But also the accountability and everything. Shes the perfect person to help with the economic recovery and what that entails. Plus, on top of that youre very thoughtful in how you think about things. Youre not just thinking about a business, youre thinking about the people because of your family, right. And your experiences growing up and your mom and dad. Youre thinking about those experiences and how they had to struggle. Yeah. And you know what people are going through. And so i guess ill go into my next question my question, my first question to you is, its like as a daughter of immigrants, and a Small Business owners, how did your personal experience shape you as a person and as a leader for a time such as this . Yeah. I mean, i think just going to a point thaw made earlier, when you were talking about, you know, what is it like being kind of a woman leader, too. I dont know i think that when ive seen with you has just been this real collaborate approach. Im not sure that any other elected mayor would have asked another elected person to help do the work that you asked me to do on the Economic Recovery Task force. And i think that says a lot about how you approach things, which is lets bring in people to help be problem solving together. And i really appreciate that, because im not sure that anybody would just do that, right. I think that says volumes. You know, in terms of being, you know, how it is that we approach leadership, especially as you grow up, i think especially for me i saw my parents really struggle, right. I was a young girl, i never saw my parents. I was a latchkey kid. My mom and dad were working every single day. They would go to work, id be at school already, they wouldnt come home until after i went to sleep. I really rarely saw my parents. And i think seeing how hard they worked, its its a symbol of sort of how hard it is for a lot of Small Businesses to make it and to survive. And i think seeing how they struggled, seeing how they were discriminated against because they had an accent or how people didnt street them the right way when they went in to ask for help, because they couldnt say it right or had an accent, that really hurt me. When i think about Public Service and the things i hope to do, its to really try to create opportunities for people and make sure that Everybody Knows that theyre worthy. It doesnt matter where they come from or how much they have or how they can speak. Theyre worthy as individuals. And then i think now especially as a young mother, too, i love my daughter so much. Shes really changed i think my perspective and, you know, my patience. And i realize that, you know, when i see the love that i have for her, hurts me to think that there are other kids who dont have the same support, who potentially are going hungry, who dont have the same opportunities to succeed. And that hurts me. Because i just turn that around and say, what would i feel if that was for my daughter. What would i feel if she didnt have the chance to be loved, to be fed, to feel safe, to feel like she could be whatever she wanted to be. That kind of feeling helps me today. Keep on making sure that you create opportunities, that you help people have a job, that you can support families the best that you can. You know, were not going to be perfect. And i like when she said earlier about being honest with people about where our problems are. We should tell folks, lets be honest, heres where we have problems. Heres what i need help with doing. Heres what the city needs to do to pull things together. And were not perfect. But this is what im going to do about it, right. I think its important to tell people that, because, you know, in terms of leadership, its really important to be transparent with people, because you lose the integrity, you lose the only thing that you have going for you, which is, you know, what you represent and what you say. Are you going to say the things you say youre going to do. Are you going to do the things that you say, right. If you lose that, you lose integrity, you lose peoples trust. I think thats really embedded from the lessons that my parents have taught me. But i think also again i think just being someone who, you know, feels, who is a mother, who kind of sees the struggle that my parents went through, i dont want to see that for other people. I want to do everything i can to change that. So i think being on the Economic Recovery Task force, i think about that every single day. I think what can we do as a city to help to save that one more business, save that job, so that people have the chance to be stable, you know. And have opportunities. What do we need to do to make sure that actually kids are not going to fall behind. Like you know the Distance Learning is what were doing right now, its a travesty to not provide education to our young kids, who will fall further behind if we dont get it right, if we just dont figure out a way. I think those are the things that really just drive me as a leader, to say what are those struggles that people feel, that i know from my own background that can really help to change things. I think you and i have the same experience. It really drives us. Yeah. I think it kind of goes back to i think about the conversations you and i have had, where, you know, we are kind of commiserating over something really terrible happening, like something that was just like ridiculous that was happening in politics. You know, politics is tough because despite the best intentions sometimes, things get said a different way, its represented in a way thats different. Sometimes things are just really hard. So im curious to hear from you about what is, you know, what is it about your life or your experiences that helped to motivate you, when things are hard . You know, because being mayor you get a lot of criticism for things that you can control and things that you cant control, right. And, you know, how do you deal with that . And what kind of keeps you centered . Well, just think about it, carmen, can you imagine the fact that you and i both came up under some of the most challenging of circumstances that wed ever be in positions like this. Yeah. It starts with that, number one. Number two, as hard as things are now, things were worse when i was a kid in terms of my life experience. So when i tell people like i grew up in public housing, i didnt just grow up there, i had every single experience directly in my household family situation, where when you talk about domestic violence, when you talk about drugs, prostitution, grandma raising me, criminal justice system, mentally ill. All of these things welfare, food stamps, you know, clothing with holes in them and Everything Else and criticism and fights and drama and lack of access to things. Anything that anyone probably talks about, that they care about in terms of helping people in, you know, the most challenging of circumstances, i probably experienced it directly in my household. And the reason why in some circumstances i dont into depth about some of those really tragic stories is because out of respect too my Family Members. Respect for my Family Members. Out of respect for not putting all of their business out there, because im the one in the limelight. And i dont want to expose them to, you know, challenges. Im able to talk about my sister, who died from a drug overdose, because of how it impacted me personally, you know. I talk about my brother, because my brother was okay that i talk about his unfortunate situations. You know, but, you know, like just experiences that i had, when i think about, you know, like being a kid in the midst of those challenges and not being able to escape that world, you know, i just you know, that is really what drives me. Because i know that my experience is not unique. What is unique that im in a position like this, coming out of those circumstances. And this is why this work is so important to me, because i know that there are other young, talented people out there that just need a chance. They need a chance. They need a support system. So as challenging as a time that were having right now, and as much criticism and i may receive it pales in comparison to what i experienced growing up. Thats why i feel confident about my strength and my ability to take on a role like this. Because i feel like i was prepared to be in a situation like this. Its so interesting because yes, its hard, yes, sometimes its frustrating. And there are setbacks and disappointments and struggles associated with this work, but i feel optimistic about our ability to really make a difference. A mayor would ask another elected official to, you know, its not just that i asked you, its just i also have to listen to what youre advice is, even if i disagree with it. Part of that is really how i work, because its not just about me. I feel like its important, as a leader, that you bring other people along and youre prepared to listen, it doesnt just have to be your way or the highway. And so i think my experience of growing up and seeing how infective that kind of approach has been and how it had a negative impact on people that grew up like me is why i do this. Because i want to change things genuinely. The only way youre able to do that is by making sure youre making good decisions and youre always keeping in mind the people that were here to serve. So i want to go back i know, you know, were talking about our various experiences. But i just want to jump in, because when you first became a member of the board of supervisors, you were the only asian woman to serve at that time. Yeah. And i just want to know how did it feel to be on the board . Because the board of supervisors right now is a hot mess. And theres always a lot of drama, you know, i served on the board, too. But there were other women. You left me. [laughter] i was like, no, carmen, dont leave me. I went downstairs. But tell me when you first started, because you werent trying to run for office. You werent trying to be in politics. You were just dealing with the money and the finances and trying to do your job. Tell me what that was like for you. Yeah, i think for me, you know, im by nature im probably more of an introvert than anything, you know. I think people kind of like you are . How can you be a politician. By nature thats what i was. My parents were always like, youre so shy, are you ever going to make it in this world. Are you going to hide behind me all the time, right, when i was younger. We all kind of learn and we grow. You know, i had been in the mayors Budget Office for gavin newsom at this time. I enjoyed the policy work behind the scenes and getting down to the nuts and bolts of things. At the end of the day, when we talk about policy, ultimately when you want to look attack priorities of a city and the values of the city, you see where the money is spent. Because that matters, right. Where you put your resources matters and it speaks about the values that we have as a city. And so that was really kind of where i started. And then i think overnight mayor newsom, at the time, appointed me to be a member of the board. And it was it was under a cloud of challenges in the asian communities, right it was. It was then when the supervisor of district 4 was under investigation. I remembering about the only asian supervisor at that time. Its a heavy kind of burden in a way, because you feel like you have to represent all of the chinese community, all of the Asian Community, right. And what does that mean . Because our community is so diverse, right. I cant possibly represent the perspective of every single person. But it felt very heavy. And i asked myself why am i the only asianamerican in the city, where we have such a large population, right. The other thing weighing heavy on me at the time, and played out during the election, a lot of people were basically saying that i didnt have sort of the right to be the representative, because i wasnt born in San Francisco, right. And there was nothing that more kind of offended me than that, to think that if i wasnt born here, so if i was an immigrant or if i was someone who had moved here, but cared a lot about the city, that i didnt have an equal right or i shouldnt have a voice, offended me to the soul. Because it kind of just said, what does that mean about my parents who emigrated here and worked so hard. Are you saying they dont have a right to participate or have a voice also, right. I remember when i was running, it was under this cloud of, well, are all asian politicians corrupt, you know, because it wasnt just there were a few other issues that had happened. I think it was just this feeling of needing to make sure that i comported myself that was above and beyond, to make sure i left no doubt that thats not the all asianmachineries behaved, all asianamericans behaved. Make sure that you are representing in a way that you leave room for people to come behind you, right. I didnt want to be an example of yet another asianamerican politician who was disappointing the community, right. And so i think it was just it was a big challenge because theres so much kind of going on at the same time. But im happy that we have since that time have had many more folks rise and be elected. And i think we need to continue to support that. So i think the work that we can do to continue to mentor young people and especially young women i think is really, really important. Because i think sometimes people just need to see that its possible. You know, i said that to you before, right, too. You know when someone sees that as someone who went through all of the hardship that you went through, who grew up facing all of the challenges that you did, were able to was able to become the mayor, thats inspiring, right. Just that example and just seeing that is inspiring. For someone to say im looking at carmen and im that shy kid who no one really paid maybe that much attention to. But she can become an elected person and do good things, too. Thats inspiring, too. Those are the examples we need to show is that not all leadership styles are the same. But we can all succeed as leaders, right. And so i think thats something that has been imprinted in me, ive kind of realizing this. Yes. Im sorry. Go ahead. A really good point about where, you know, different styles of leaders, right. And i like that. But we both have very, you know, unique backgrounds that have, you know, involved struggle in some capacity. I think it also developed it also helps us to develop a appreciation and respect for one another as well, which i think is also important in the world of politics. How we treat each other, even in the midst of our disagreementses, its so important, because thats one of thing Biggest Challenges that we face. And when we have disagreements and we start to do the personal attacks and some of the other lies and other things, it just doesnt set a good example i think for young generations. Were just as bad what we see happening in the white house with we go that route. Thats right. I want to ask you a personal question, but a fun one, which is what is something that no one knows about you . A fun fact. Okay. A fun fact. One of my absolute favorite shows that i watch all the time, people would not believe it, its fraser. [laughter] i love fraser because, listen, this is a tough job. You know how like at night, i try not to watch the news or nothing too serious before i go to bed. And most of the time and i just kind of to laugh and smile or do something more happy, i watch fraser. So i have to admit, my guilty pleasure is watching korean dramas. Those romantic dramas. Love them. Oh, my goodness. Yeah. I just and i love out loud a lot of times when im watching fraser. All my by myself normally. [laughter] that would probably surprise a lot of people. So kind of getting back to a bunch of encouraging, this idea about encouraging women to participate. You know, i want to know what do you think about what would you say to someone on the fence about participating . And if someone is thinking about running for office or wanting to do something where they get on a commission or Something Like that, how what do you think people need to do to prepare for that experience. What would you say to those women . Well, what i would say is when you feel something, when you want to do something, then you should go for it. Part of what you want to make sure is you do your homework to prepare. That you know exactly what whatr