Transcripts For SFGTV Police Commission 20240712

Entertainment commission, thank you for convening this evening to address this important issue. My name is nola mariano and today im speaking in support of the San Francisco International Arts festival petition to have an enhanced city guidelines. In considering the safe reopening of the performing arts it must be noted that in addition to the diversity of artists making and performing work, theres equally wide range of scale and size of artists and art organizations producing the work. I think that it was a mistake to put all art organizations into phase four that focuses on indoor halls and their health risk. The arts festival, while still a indiscernible is a Diverse Group for Services Including marketing, and production and box office support. These will be scheduled to meet the city guidelines and available for live video streaming. It has guidelines that go beyond those currently provided to include an organized digital box office, house managed to get people safely seated. And sanitized facilities and the safe backstage area. We need the City Health Department to create appropriate guidelines. It is important to stage a prototype public event as a way to test operation guidelines and procedures for outdoor performances before the rainy season in november. We want to support the Entertainment Commission in reopening the performing arts industry safely and we are entrusting you to other governmental departments. One final note, these are difficult and isolating times. The festival believes that their audience that always attended Live Performances to hear a diverse perspective and to experience that human narrative to look at complex societal events. Art provides not only entertainment and understanding, but a coping mechanism that could be viewed as part of our Public Mental Health care system. Thank you. Clerk thank you. All right, next person waiting to speak is makechi newburgh, can you hear us . Please unmute yourself. Caller hello, i am super grateful to be here just plugging in and participating with my civic duty of being part of the commission. Its great to see all of your faces. I am calling in on the phone and not on video, im not quite sure how this is working. Clerk we can hear you but we cant see you. Caller okay. So basically i would just say that i have been in San Francisco for over 20 years. I am a songwriter and an actor, theatre actor and commercial actor. And went on to develop my own work and got an m. S. A. At the california indiscernible [no audio] clerk it looks, unfortunately, we lost nkechi. Maybe nkechi will come back on. Okay. Do you want me to go to the next person . President bleiman go to the next person and if we could get nkechi back clerk okay, this next person is matthew kiefe. Matthew, you are unmuted. You have two minutes. Caller hi, i am matthew kiefe and i work at the presidio theatre at presidio park. Thank you for letting me do a comment. Art organizations are uniquely positioned to give connection and community and healing safely. And as we have already seen unrest in the form of protests and skirmishes with Police Across the nation, the current political landscape. And as a new resident in San Francisco, i can attest to the dangers of unorganized gatherings of people. Just this week thousands upon thousands of people descended on my neighborhood, many without masks who left garbage, including dirty diapers strewn across the area. People are gathering regardless of whether theyre allowed to or whether it is safe. We are asking the outdoor performing arts be allowed to reopen to balance and organize Outdoor Activities to give citizens a greater variety of venues to visit in order to make all outdoor venues safer and less crowded. Our public parks are not designed to organize audiences, but our arts venues are capable of ticketing events, providing audio and video support, and organizing space in a way that is much safer than what is currently happening. Thank you for considering these comments. Clerk thank you, matthew. All right, next person waiting to speak is andrew wood. Andrew, if youre there. Caller hello. This is andrew wood. Thank you, commissioners, for taking the time to listen to us this evening. And i did attend the Small Business Commission Meeting last week where the doctor spoke. And i think that one of the things that is going to be an issue is that the guidelines that run behind the permitting are not in place. And they dont have the Health Department seeming to have any intention of putting the guidelines in place soon. What this means is that even if the performing arts is a permitted activity, theres going to be a lag time while the Health Department comes up with the guidelines to allow you to go ahead with the permitting. If the permitting process itself could take up to a month, that means even if it was allowed today it would be towards the end of september before anything would happen. As a few people have said, were trying to get some prototype events up in october. And some artists are trying to do this and trying to do it on october 2425th and if we dont get a chance to do it, we dont go for the next six mont months. So how can we work with the Health Department to make things move along a bit. So rather than going and doing a new mayoral order or an entire new health ruling, are there ways that things could be done at the start level around regulations that are within the pursue of the Entertainment Commission . So maybe borrowing from what is already allowed for small family gatherings or religious gatherings and even some the shared space gatherings. If were not able to move things along in a fashion that allows us to test some of these things, its going to set us back by quite some time. And i think that, again, what other people have said is that the legacy of the Entertainment Commission kind of means that you are our guys in dealing with other city departments. The whole idea of getting permits so that performing arts can happen, so that entertainment can happen, is youre kind of our inside voice. And so if you can really advocate for the community, and as well as being a commissioner role. To the other branches of government and to the other departments andrew uryour youre out of. Clerk thank you, andrew. We have a comment in the zoom chat that i will read from joe crieter. I am a artist and i have been creating public art in the city for 25 years. I am creating a piece of public art with dancers dancing off the side of a building and rerecorded music. This project is a gift to the neighborhood offered for free and in partnership with noad and cotenderloin and jewish action. The project is just completed a Successful Summer Program for youth in the tenderloin and we know what it take i takes to bed safe. Keep public art alive and give San Francisco some hope. Next person in line to speak is a caller. Hello, caller, you have been unmuted. Can you hear us . Caller hi there, sorry about that. Can you hear me . Clerk state your name and your two minutes. Caller great, thank you, thank you so much for taking the time to listen and for all of your support and just everything that youre doing. I am kevin nelson and i work for magic theatre, which is a 53yearold midsized theatre. Over the last several months we have created several plans with the hopes of being able to perform something outdoors for small limited audiences. But, unfortunately, all of the plans have fallen through without any path or guidelines to allow for public performance. Theatres and performing artists have all been grouped together under the gross assumption that it can only happen with large audiences packed closely together. But there are many artists and organizations that could easily hold responsible distanced performances outdoors. It would be much safer if there was a checklist for public performance, but artists could reference prior to any presentation. With no guidance, theres no way to do this officially. And without the local guidance and support were also facing difficulty if gaining approval from the Artist Labor Union to approve of any work at all. Its my hope that the Entertainment Commission is able to help to support the performing arts and the artists by working towards a permitting process to allow for small public performances. Other gatherings are occurring outside in parks, restaurants and in other spaces. Theres no reason that a small performances for limited audiences would not be as safe, if not safer, than some of these other gatherings. The audience members would know what to expect and tracing would be easy to implement if anyone who attends did fall ill. Thank you for your support and for helping us to try to reach a solution. Thank you so much. Clerk thanks, kevin. So ncheki is back. So lets let ncheki back on. Caller okay, am i unmuted . I believe that you can hear me. I just want to make [broken audio] somehow it works. Okay. Are you hearing me twice . Clerk you are cutting out a little bit. Caller okay. Ill try this. One, i want to say, hi i am nkechi newburgh and im a diehard lover of San Francisco, being a singer song writer and turned performance artist and i got my m. S. A. From cal integrated, and a bit of science, and i have created a body of work indiscernible and a work in progress. Basically my hope is to be able to engage and play in order to learn more about diversity. And its been fun and i have put it in a couple places and have opportunities. With our new present crisis i just want to say that i believe in my own personal heart that people need an opportunity to have a checklist of issues that we are talking about. They went from indiscernible to two humans talking at a time with each other about real issues. It is incredibly refreshing. And so just recently i was at marina bay and i did a little miniperformance and was recording for myself and people, the feedback was, oh, art. So i want to remind us that art is part of our life. When i serve the homeless. [no audio] clerk unfortunately, she cut out again. President bleiman, what would you like . President bleiman are there more comments . She only had nine seconds left on the clock anyway. President bleiman if youre listening now, i would just encourage her to reach out to us, whether starting with the staff and she wanted to for her additional nine seconds, so we want to definitely hear the rest of it. And i will remind everyone that when you reach out to our staff, you are not limited by minutes. You can have long emails and conversations and we will be able to answer your questions. Is that it for Public Comment . Do we have anyone else . Clerk theres nobody else. President bleiman all right. I want to acknowledge how much Public Comment we had there and i want to thank everyone for chiming in and i want to say that we hear you, i hear you. And we do what we can to remedy this. Within the confines of what we can work with. Thank you. With that im going to close Public Comment. And then move on to the next agenda item. The next agenda item is number 4. And this is an update on the state of San Franciscos independent music venues, and this is going to be from San Francisco independent venue alliance. Hi, i am fred bomes, and im the president of the independent venue alliance, which is a group that represents over 20 independent venues in San Francisco. And the surrounding. And the sizes of the venues vary from capacities of, say, 50 to 100 to over a thousand, our largest. And, you know, obviously, as everybody here knows, you know, we were the first to be shut down and we have no clear idea at all about when the reopening schedule, phase four, is going to be, even for the smaller places. And, you know, in reality, without any assistance or an opportunity to generate income, you know, o possibly 50 of thee venues will go out of business by the beginning of next year. Which is what w we have formed this alliance for. We have done some events online webathons, where the artists are streaming with contributions from home. And various other things. And we have managed to raise close to 50,000 out of the public donations. And were going off private funding Arts Foundation funding and that sort of thing. And the whole purpose of this group is to come together and to be able to have a focal point to do this kind of fun fundraising activity. And we really appreciate the Entertainment Commissions support with us from the beginning of listening to us for various things. But as this goes on and on were coming to a position where we really need, you know, now more, you know, drastic measures of any kind. Essentially anything that we can get. As somebody pointed out earlier, these Small Businesses like us are, you know, sitting patiently and trying to wait and see what what will happen or what measures will be given. And, really, as every month goes by for venues, theres an extraordinary amount of expense that is not sustainable. You know, each of these places is obviously a very large building because it has to, you know, in the good old days of having shows, it would host hundreds of people. So the rents are enormously high. And theres all kinds of fees and taxes and massive, you know, garbage collection bills. And all of those kind of things that are still ongoing and are very hard to negotiate out of in a situation, even though certain things have been undisturbed across the board. Other niggling things continue, for example, organization like csac who have recently written to several of our venues with a bill asking for their licensing money for, you know, the last six months, a period where everyone has been out of operation. And then, obviously, now well have to go into finding, you know, what those organizations are like and negotiating out. A lot of these places dont have many staff working and the time to do these kind of things. So theres all kinds of, you know, situations that have to be dealt with on a weekly and monthly basis that continue to build and sap the resources of an industry here who has zero income at all. And no future of being able to say when that will happen. Ive heard so many people talking tonight about the possibility of doing outdoor shows. And that is something that we will be very interested in, being able to pursue. This week, the venue that im the general manager of, the chapel, did the first or i believe the first show in San Francisco that was permitted, actually, an official show. It was in the outdoor parking lot of the temple with an extremely limited attendance of 30 people. And it was an instrumental performance. And incredibly strict guidelines. To do everything it was very successful and went off without a hitch, obviously, that amount of people are not really able to be profitable. It was a high ticket price for vendors to have a benefit for independent venue alliance. Wo but one thing that was urged at that event is of the whole closed down area of valencia that was going on that weekend, that event that we had was by far the most the place where the real social distancing rules were being taken into account and were in effect because they werent really happening anywhere else. So i think that one of the things that we find very frustrating is attempting to do things like benefit concerts or the kind of things that people are talking about here is that we see in delores park and all of these other places, and Golden Gate Park and other places, huge amounts of people outside and not following social distancing guidelines and Alcohol Consumption and music playing from, you know, large distance and other things and sometimes bands playing. So its like theres a concert happening but its completely unregulated. What essentially were asking here really is to just bring something that is unregulated into some order. I think that it would be reasonable if everyone was at home and we were you know, we were pushing hard to get everyone to come out and to do something that there would be some opposition to it, but, really, what were doing is at this point is suggesting that we we are the people who know better than anyone else how to regulate an audience, to have all of the security, and, you know, to have hundreds of people that work for us that we could we would love to give some employment to and some artists some employment to, and raise awareness, all of these things. But more than anything else to actually to create an environment that would be safer than what is currently happeni happening. So i lend my voice to all of those people that are saying that, and i would love to be able to work on Something Like that as we have had that successful experience this weekend. And that even as a small event could hopefully be the gateway into something else. I have a whole list of things that i can talk about if you want, but is there anything specific that you want would like me to focus on . Ive got a question. How many of the venues do you have on your list that have patios or anything outdoors, accessible to outdoors . Very few. Theres one place that has a large parking lot and a patio. But most of the others have nothing. President bleiman sidewalk . A sidewalk, yes, some of them have a sidewalk. Some of them have a sidewalk and are currently are on valencia street and places where they a closed down situation going on. And others dont currently have Something Like that but they would love to be able to have that opportunity to close down an area of their street and to, you know, to be able to put on, you know, some kind of event of some kind. President bleiman okay, i think that is a problem, you know, all of us to have big venues and we cant go inside is an issue. Were trying to do whatever we can to think outside of the box to use the streets and the sidewalk. And theyve been doing the shared street programs and theyre trying to figure out things. So if you guys you should come up with any ideas, i mean, well start off with the musician thing first, you know, and try to get the musicians out there and performing safely and then well have to try to get the audience there. Right. Theres really no answer. I mean, what we really you know, what we wanted to look at was an area like the amphitheater in the park or stone grove where there currently isnt anything happening and there normally would be in their festival, somewhere like that, where we could have something that is set we could overextend the amount of limitation guidelines beyond even what theyre asking and still be able to have a few people there because, you know, i think that the official capacity of say the park and the amphitheater is close to 3,000 or something. So you could have even just you know, even if you just had 300 people in that huge of a space or whatever it would be, that would be something. And, you know, it would enable it would then be a benefit for many venues. You know, we are nonprofit, so it wouldnt be, you know, it would take a lot of boxes for people to support it. President bleiman so you were thinking of if you had an opportunity to have an outdoor venue you would get together with the other venues and be like a fundraiser to help yeah. President bleiman is that what youre trying to propose . Yes, exactly. So its all independent venues. Boi. President bleiman right. So it goes from places, like the church to as places as 1015 fulsome. But what would be a sedate affair, a daytime event, i think that a lot of people associate in their mind around the situation that theyre thinking of Something Like a nightclub atmosphere. Thats not what were suggesting at all. It would be about the music and it feels like and, obviously, im sure that many of you agree with this, that at this point being fairly victimized. A couple weeks ago in sonoma there was a small instrumental show that was cancelled while the same weekend there was a horse event that had over a thousand people attending. That doesnt make any sense, you know. And theres you know, theres Scientific Evidence that music itself transmits the virus, theres no real sense on what is happening here. The word concert is terrifying people, but theres no relationship to, you know, what were really suggesting is something that would be more regulated and more sedate than what is actually currently happening. President bleiman okay. We have had this discussion offline, ben and i and another organization, and we have been thinking in the lines like this, but its a big one. So i guess that really some guidelines from the Health Department. I guess that were kind of stuck. Yeah. I mean, im not, obviously i realize their position and i really appreciate all of the, you know, the support that youre giving and im not saying that its an easy matter. Its just at this point its starting to get confusing as to what exactly the logic aspect of it has disappeared. Its a convenient thing to put us to the end of the thought process around this completely. But at this point if its about the congregation of people and the spreading of the virus, then it makes little sense because theres already people congregating like this, you know, either unofficially, just in parks or at restaurants and other things. And, you know, even if we had to go to the length like i said of being more distant than everyone else, we would take it. You know, whatever it needs to be. You know, and and this weekends event was very successful, but hopefully that you know, that can lead to something because just being able to do something with 30 people and then instrumental band is not really its not going anywhere on its own, you know. Even though lots of people wanted to go. President bleiman i dont have anymore comments. Other commissioners, any questions or comments for fred . Fred, i just want to say that i hear you loud and clear and a lot of the people who gave Public Comment today as well. I think that i can speak for almost all of us on this commission when i say that we really do deeply understand the value of music and performance when it comes to culture and community. And we want to be your advocate. And we definitely understand your frustration. That maggie and staff are working so, so hard to find path ways to include clear guidelines for outdoor performing arts as we continue to roll out these shared spaces. So it sounds like youre really asking two things. One, finding, again, those clear guidelines on how to conduct outdoor performances and then, second, some way to be able to facilitate the use of, like, public park spaces once those are rolled out. Yes, that would be that would be fantastic for the opportunity to do something to fundraise essentially. We can and we will continue to do it online virtually anyway, because, you know, we have to do something. But, yes, absolutely. But also, you know, if your weight as a group to be able to assist us with some of the things that we though the venues are having to deal with, that are essentially sapping whatever reserves they have that are allowing them to continue through this at the moment. It would be really be helpful. Maybe thats not a conversation that we have right here now, but a list of some of those things that weve been doing a lot of questionnaires with all of the all of the venues and a lot of, you know, sort of taking information in about all of these kind of things. Which we can share with you, some of which may be helpful to you. But a lot of it really shows how this is i mean, im sure this is no surprise to anyone, but its not a sustainable situation Going Forward because theres still huge amounts of costs. And theres really nothing. You know, and i think that also hopefully these are all things that we can do to help to further the situation and to also learn from it and in the future help as theyll have to rebuild and not have everything come back in exactly the same way and in insane amounts of unnecessary fees and hoop jumping and all of that kind of thing when we have to come back and to try to earn some money. And it will probably be a slow process coming back and everything else. That period also could end up taking a lot of people down. So absolutely. Where so many other industries have been able to pivot during this time right. We havent had a lot of room to do that. Yeah, i mean, you cant theres nothing that we can sell online, theres and we can sell a bit of merchandise or whatever, but its not realistic, its all a drop in the bucket. And, you know, i think that a lot of these places too are not huge theyre part of an ecosystem in their area that brings, you know, on any night between all of our venues, you know, over 10,000 people into different areas to spend money and shop, and some restaurants and all of those kinds of things. So theres the counter aspect and theres a huge financial aspect and if a lot of these places start to go, whole areas could go down with them, you know, because these are the things that draw people into different areas in a way that a single restaurant doesnt do or other places, because theres hundreds of people that are in these different places. So, you know, and, obviously, in San Francisco the culture aspect is huge because this city is so much a huge part of the whole culture and defining in the last 50 years, its about music and whats coming out of the venues. But we all understand that aspect. And i really appreciate like, im not here trying to i really appreciate everything that is done here. Its just as it goes obviously, one point it was going to be a few months and then it went on, and now were in a weird period where nobody knows whats going on. And theres very little assistance coming. So thats what this the forming of this is about to try to keep more the most vulnerable, you know, whoever is the most vulnerable, well all try to help and to try to make sure that well all get through it. Some of us will probably make it through it and certainly, you know, theres some vulnerable and there are some that, you know, there are a few places that i have heard about that are basically on the way out but have not been publicly made known yet. So its going to start to be a real you know, really terrible, sore situation if it really starts to go down like a domino. Can you actually speak a little bit more about that . You said that you have conducted questionnaires and surveys with, i guess, 30 of the venues that are part of this alliance. Yeah. I am just curious in terms of your fundraising strategy, like, what are some of the goals in terms of how much youre trying to raise and offset costs . And, you know, like for what period of time are you trying to create this kind of sustaining strategy . And anecdotally, any of the stories around like, what is like, imminent in terms of closure and what type of venue is actually really in the red at this point . I think that it would be important to kind of go into detail. Because we dont see a lot of these stories covered in the media. And i think that, you know, our lawmakers, i think that its important for them to know anecdotally these stories. And actually just the social and emotional impacts, the toll that its taking on the Business Owners and their workforce, and, i mean, i could go on just about the impact of, like, our culture within the city at this point. Yeah. So if you can kind of share a little bit more on that, id appreciate that. Okay. Well, originally when we had we started and we had around 10 to 15 members, we did a questionnaire, similar thing like this, and when on our original Fundraising Mission was to try and to raise off the back of that 2 million to try to get these people through a period of about three or four months, right . Of course, maybe 15 venues. Now were still in the process of that, which is the second process that has been fundraising with private companies and thats where hopefully were going to receive larger amounts. And get closer to that sort of thing. But now we have more members and we are getting a clearer picture. We actually are in the middle of doing a really comprehensive survey like this, which i dont have the full details of, but i can definitely get to you when its finished, which it hopefully will be in the next week or so, or a week and a half. But essentially for the ones that are more at risk, you know, its obviously those obvious factors like the ones where if they own the building themselves, thats a huge help, obviously. Even though they have all of the property tax issues and all of those kinds of things. But the ones where they had no no savings really. You know, this is an industry where you really live on the margins anyway, even in the best of times. So a lot of people are breaking even, basically, so when this happened, they didnt have a lot of resourcing there and they have these large rents. And theyre probably, you know, some of the smaller ones. But the buildings are still large because theyll have to hold, say, 200 people, that kind of thing. Some of those places, you know, they tried to do the honorable thing and hold on to as much staff as possible and look for loans and that kind of thing. There werent really a lot of loans found. And the reason that we started this in the first place is that what we found was they didnt really fit into a category for getting loans out, the original cares act, you know, supposedly could give small loans or whatever. And hardly anyone was receiving anything there. Whereas some restaurants and other things were. So for whatever reason and also cinemas and yet other venues werent. And then their only resource became going online and asking for their patrons to give the money to gofundme, so it became all there was. So that raised tiny amounts of money for them and other bits and bobbles. And that wasnt feasible thing to happen. So then as this goes on, you know, weve tried to band together. But the ones that are going potentially going to go under is because when theyre looking, you know, looking at however many months now without any income, and then when we come back a limited capacity, that is not, you know, really you need to be able to have full venues, at least, two or three nights a week or whatever, to make it work. Through the bar sales, and other things. And if youre going to come back at 25 capacity, thats then the metrics. So what youre looking at is like a year before you could come back to breaking even . Those are the people who i think that are making decisions now, you know, its not worth it. And really theyre doing it in a way that theyre holding off. A lot of them are going into the red themselves just to try to hold on. And theyre doing it more for the sort of San Francisco community than themselves because theyre losing money here. You know, to try and just to hold on and hope that we can get through because no one wants to see this happen. So its pretty heartbreaking. And thats what were trying to, you know you know, to do. And one thing that happened is that weve all come together. Were normally a group of businesses who essentially compete very tooth and nail with each other. So we have come together to try to help each other, because we realize that none of us want to see this happen. We dont want to see its not the ones that are going to survive are happy. Great, all of the others are out of business. No, thats not what we want at all. We want this to continue. And we want the more vulnerable aspects and the more vulnerable members of our, you know, alliance to remain standing. And, you know, there are few that i know about. I cant really share that with you because they havent made it public. But they have essentially made a decision but not announced that they probably wont be able to go forward unless a miracle happens, obviously. But that doesnt seem like its going to happen. But, you know, we are trying to remain as optimistic as possible with our ability to fundraise more than we have been able to do and pull our Heads Together and work on what we can do to keep them alive. And, obviously, its everything else. Its all of the musicians, you know, all of the d. J. S and all of the other people related, and all of the sound technicians, and all of these sectors of society that are hard to put together work. A lot of these people work in all of the clubs. Sound tec technicians often worn 10 clubs, whatever. You know, different places. And theyre not an employee of one. But when you put these people together, thousands and thousands and thousands of people who work within just these, you know, these 20 plus clubs. And thats so, yeah. But basically, you know, its a neverending situation. As you start to pick away at it, theres more and more things, you know, and issues. I mean, its a system that has really gotten many facets to it and its been working for decades and decades. So as it falls apart like this, you realize how much of it there is. I want to thank you. And its heartbreaking. please stand by ar. This is going to go on for a little while longer. Thank you. Clerk thank you. Other commissioners, anybody have any comments, questions . All right. So fred, i cant thank you enough. This has been real sobering, and its really hard for me to hear, but its something we need to know, and i appreciate how eloquently we stated things. I have a couple of points, and one is on the d. P. H. Front. You know, it seems to me that San Francisco is a place that has what economists would describe as a high level of social trust, and thats the faith in other humans and in institutions, and i think thats part of the reason that im so proud of this city and part of the reason that i live here is because i do have faith in government, and i do believe that it can help people, and i think theres a failure right now, and on the communication side from the department of public health. I think that they have a lot on their plate, and its a tough job that theyre doing. But we in this city, we trust our government, we trust our fellow officials, and when they shutdown large sectors of society, they owe us more of an explanation and they owe us more of a communication. Theres 3,000 people in dolores park. Why cant 30 people gather in front of somebody whos not singing . It baffles me, and if theres a reason, i want to hear it. I bend towards trust. Im really open to hearing the explanation, but while we are seeing beloved sectors like independent music venues eventually destroyed by our governments actions and told that we cant open and that theres no safeway for you to open, it it just it kind of it confounds my mind. I dont understand how those two things exist, and i know their job is hard right now, and i know that im happy i do not have their job, but they owe us more than this, and i would ask them to please help, please help explain this or find a way for preferably for this to be done safely and trust us to trust us like we trust them, essentially. So thats one side of it, and that kind of heats me up. The other thing that im hearing is that you guys need help now, and you need help in the longterm. Is that a safe thing to say, fred . Like, right now, you need some emergency help, whether its the ability to operate outdoors or cold, hard cash. But it wasnt like things were hunkydory before for your industry, right . Yeah, thats true. Im not going to ask you right now to list out things, but i would ask you to think in your group to come up with ways that maybe the city of San Francisco can support small, independent venues Going Forward. And i do think that you are cultural gems. I do think that you offer more to our society than an average Small Business, and i dont say that loosely. I have average Small Businesses, and i dont think that i contribute as much as you do to the fabric of our city culturally, and so, you know, i would hope that we can come up with a list that you can list that we can help address the issues that youre facing. You may not have the entire list in front of you, but can you name as many of the 20 venues as you can . Yeah, yeah. I think its worth saying their names because i want to here exactly as what we are at exactly what we are at risk of losing. Okay. So our member list as it stands, although its growing all the time, is includes 1015 folsom, bottom of the hill, d. N. A. , chapel, el rio, drone bar, makeout bar, neck of the woods. Pillow fight, the rip tide, the s. F. Eagle, the great northern, and the lost church. Thank you. All right. And with that, you know, i also oh, im also inspired by the previous comments from the Public Comment and im inspired by you, and im hoping that the rest of the commissioners can also feel the gravity of this situation. I think we need to do as much as possible, as we possibly can do, and i just want to state that on the possible record here. And with that, thank you, fred, very much. I want to open this to Public Comment, and hopefully analyst rice can help us with that. Thank you. There are no people waiting in Public Comment. I can just do a shared screen slide for a little bit as a reminder on how people can do that. Someone has their hand raised, a caller. All right. Caller, please unmute yourself and state your name if youre there. All right. So theyre [inaudible] okay. That caller, there may be a problem or maybe theyre listening to the radio when theyre calling, and its regurgitating the sound and creating an endless loop. Maybe give them a chance to mute, one chance before they speak. Sounds like a typical radio callin issue there. Okay. The person just hung up, so okay. And then, is there a okay. All right. Yakichi, are you there . Yes. Can you hear me . Yes. All right. Thank you for giving us a place to speak. I think we all said similar things. I just wanted to highlight that performance is a Mental Health for all of us, not only those of us who make it, but those of us who see it. I think just to have a chance to let it all go. I personally did a little tiny series that i was producing by the waters edge this past sunday, and i just did one of my dances, and i was so moved by how many people felt it necessary to talk and engage with this teeny weenie weenie piece of art. If we think a little bit ahead and give artists a little bit of space to start creating, i think we will bear much fruit. I think about kids during this time. It would be great to create events and keep their minds creative during this time. I can honestly say that its a gift to be