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Matcha n more and a Small Business as much as shake shack or the lakers are a Small Business. They are a franchise business coming from new york city, trying to further gentrify the mission with gold leaf ice cream. This is not about competition or Small Business but rather what we should allow a community to be misled by opportunistic young men. You should do the right thing and have them submit honest paperwork so the city can actually understand whats going into our small area. Operator you have 16 questions remaining. Good evening. I am amy lu. I was born and raised in San Francisco and live in the portola district currently. I work for a company that supports Small Businesses. I support matcha n more and request that the commissions deny discretionary review and approve the application. Matcha n more is unique and a delicious dessert store. We should support Small Businesses in a pandemic like this and in a present time like this. Thank you for your time. Operator you have 15 questions remaining. Hi. My name is shane. Im a Business Owner in San Francisco. Im calling in support of matcha n more in support of having their application approved so they can dcontinue to open their business. If you deny their application, you will be setting a precedent in San Francisco for future Small Businesses that if theres a mistake on their application, they might as well not even open up. Blocking this business from moving forward is not how you operate a city. [inaudible] and do business in San Francisco, this isnt how you encourage businesses. Thank you. Operator you have 16 questions remaining. Hi. My name is albert, and i live in the sunset neighborhood, and im calling in support of garden creamery and approve of the discretionary review. I was once the general manager for a local boutique in hayes valley that was once owned by s. F. Natives and the store closed due to the neighborhood completely changing its support for small neighborhoods and small retailers. I would hate to see garden creamery losing its businesses over the establishment of large businesses. Thank you. Operator you have 15 questions remaining. Hi. My name is ike. Im from San Francisco. I believe that the d. R. Request from garden creamery is based on bullish claims. It doesnt have anything to do with the city or character of the mission. The d. R. Requester, what theyre trying to do is just delay matcha n more so they can take control of market shares and eliminate competition. Li friendly competition is good for the consumer. It helps give a variety of goods to the consumers in the community. It also gives Small Business owners an opportunity to chase their dreams. Approve matcha n more. Thank you. Operator you have 14 questions remaining. Hello. Hi. My name is joel, and i live in district 5, and i am in support of matcha n more going into the mission district. Im just really ashamed at garden whatever they are creamery for doing what theyre doing. I think its really shameful for them to do that. I think its because theyre scared of the competition. If theyre very scared of the competition, like, maybe sthey should up their game. Matcha n more and a fairly good company, i think, and when they say were gentrifying the mission district, its already been happening, and it is going to happen, so stop complaining and just push it through. Thank you. Operator you have 13 questions remaining. Hi. My name is lawrence lee, and im born and raised . San francisco. I highly support matcha n more and i urge the commission to deny the d. R. And support matcha n more. Allowing new ice cream shops to open will create a more diverse menu, nard menu, in order to better serve the community. Please allow matcha n more and toep so its neighbors and residents may have a choice of what they would prefer to eat. I respectfully urge you, the planning committee, to allow a new Small Business to end the community. Thank you. Operator you have 13 questions remaining. Hi. My name is kricristen, and i l in San Francisco. I respectfully ask you to deny the d. R. And accept the application. It does not make sense if d. R. Is approved. I love ice cream, so anymore ice cream in the area will just be better, and i dont believe this is this is in the Mission Districts plan. Thank you. Operator you have ten questions remaining. Hello. My name is helen yu, and ive been a resident of San Francisco for over ten years. Im calling in support of garden creamery and the approval of the discretionary review. This is about a business, matcha n more, that did not submit a proper application. I request the Planning Department deny the application of matcha n more and grant discretionary review. Thank you. Operator you have nine questions remaining. Hi. My names walter. I live in San Francisco hello . Clerk go ahead. Hi. My name is walter. I live in San Francisco. I would like to support garden creamery and request that the commission approve the discretionary review and deny the application of matcha n more. I think theres too many ice cream shops in that intersection. If you really want diversity in that neighborhood, you can approve other businesses in the neighborhood other than ice cream. The only people thats benefiting is not the community, its [inaudible] so that everybody has access to ice cream. Its not even about commission, its providing something to the community. Thank you. Operator you have eight questions remaining. Hello. I am against the discretionary review. Im about ten minutes walking from oat is someone talking . Clerk no, you are, sir. You have the floor. Okay. I guess the discretionary review was about a tenminute walk from both businesses. I feel the same as sharkey. Its a vacant unit thatll result in tenant improvements. If, indeed, theres too much ice cream in that area, one of the businesses will have to find a better location. Thank you. Operator you have eight questions remaining. Hi. Im renee florez, born and raised in San Francisco, and im a Small Business owner in the mission. I respectfully request that you approve garden creamerys discretionary request and that matcha n more should submit the correct paperwork with the correct information. You need to support home grown businesses of San Francisco. The slander and racial epithets that garden creamery is receiving is concerning to me, especially where the mission is mostly latin based. The defamation of garden creamery seems unethical. Like spike lee says, do the right thing. Operator you have six questions remaining. Hi. Cal here. I live in the dogpatch. I cant believe that during a Global Pandemic and protest against police brutality, San Francisco is wasting its time on an ice cream fight between two businesses. Deny the d. R. , let matcha n more open. This is absolutely ridiculous. I yield my time. Clerk members of the public, if youre not speaking operator you have five questions remaining. [inaudible] im a resident of hayes valley. Im calling in support of matcha n more as San Francisco supports the entrepreneurial spirit and they support that, instead of blocking businesses that thwarts locals choice. Thank you so much. I yield my time. Operator you have four questions remaining. Hi. My name is cane and im a frequent walker past the site. I support matcha n more and request the d. R. Be denied. My understanding is this site has been vacant and dead for a decade, and frankly, we are very fortunate that we have businesses wanting to open given everything thats happening right now, and i think the Community Benefits from increased foot traffic, from families gathering there, and from improvements to the local business world, so i thank you for taking the time. Thank you. Operator you have three questions remaining. Good evening. My name is gina. I am from San Francisco. I respectfully ask you to approve garden creamerys discretionary review and deny matcha n mores application. I believe that aaron and donnie have helped Small Businesses in San Francisco. I truly believe that matcha n more will [inaudible] diversity in the mission. Thank you. Operator you have four questions remaining. Good evening. My name is ana, and i reside in San Francisco. Im calling in to support matcha n more. Garden creamery is already a staple in the mission community, and they should share its passion with those who want to spread their love for ice cream. I believe that matcha n more will be beneficial to the community and provide more diversity to the community. Therefore, i urge the commission to deny d. R. And approve the application. Thank you. Operator you have five questions remaining. Hello. My name is bob, and i live five blocks. Im calling to oppose discretionary review. T [please stand by] he deserves to be a entrepreneur in San Francisco and deny the cres ar the discrey review. You have three questions remaining . Hi, everybody, my name is chris and i used to live in the if i want to express my report and deny an application and is after a few years of patron age, ive gotten to know the owners of garden creameries and i know they scare deeply for the community and valuable business practice and honest business practice and Instagram Page and to shift the narrative and call them racist in this climate when that was not the intention at all, they have no ill intention and its not about any sort of competition and its straight forward and its very about diversity in this space and theres a lot of competition for ice cream and for macha in the city so i believe that with this vacant space, even if they were you have two questions remaining. Hi, my name is sam and i am in the mission and i strongly oppose the and i should have to pay money and waste time and spend money on lawyers and the who thwhole process is ridiculo. Thank you. You have one question remaining. I hi support the new business and ill leave some bad yelp reviews. Thank you. I have one question remaining. You have zero questions remaining. Very good commissioners, that will conclude the Public Comment portion of this hearing. I dont know about you, but at the end of this hearing im going to have some ice cream. The commissioners, the matter is before you. Is the representative, were they able to get back on so they can finish their two minutes . You are fantastic and i apologize. Mr. Williams, you do have about a minute and 50 seconds if you feel it necessary to speak at this time and well go into rebuttal. Lets go straight to rebuttal. I dont think this is the purpose of the d. R. Process and of which im very familiar, obviously. Theres been no standard of the planning code and not met by the application identified and no impacts of any kind have been identified. The objects to the project made in the d. R. Application as are disingenuous as filing it under a fake name and then claiming you didnt file it under a fake name. Ive had the commissioners look at exhibit 9, 10, 11, 16, 17, 18 and 21 where the d. R. Applicant continued to use the fake name for three months and then filed a declaration with this commission claiming they had done it in error so we can go straight to rebuttal as far as im concerned. That was the rebuttal. All right. D. R. Requester, you have two minutes for your rebuttal. Hello. Yes. Am i on . You are. Your time is running. This is my rebuttal. This is not about anticompetition, this is about misrepresenttation on forms to the planning and to the public. The commission should not reward bad players who misrepresent sent their intentions to the city and community or use hate speech to forward their agenda. Its unclear why the project sponsor committed perjury twice. Even if they represented a business they would likely qualify for a retailer. I can only speculate that the will full misrepresenttation driven by the desire to expedite the application process as well as avoid public scrutiny. Applicants are human and mistakes happen but given the evidence in this case, they committed perjury and their arguizations towards me are unfound and theyre trying to throw all of us off their true intentions. Review my submission and draw your own commission. They consider taking the d. R. And denying the application. They should not prosper by misleading the public and i take the d. R. And denying the application you are sending a clear message to bad players. If you are a bad player and do not follow the process, you have to start over and please accept this d. R. And deny the application. Have the applicant start over with the new application and submit on the paperwork for the Planning Department and public. Thank you. Thank you. Ok. Commissioners, and again, i do apologize for overlooking that thank you, commissioners diamond for reminding me. Now the matter is before you, commissioners. Im going to get some ice cream. While you get some ice cream, im supportive of staffs recommendation to not take d. R. And approve. Commissioner moore. Im in support and i make a motion to not take d. R. And approved. Second. Seeing no additional comments and deliberations from the commission, there is a motion that has been seconded to not take d. R. And approve ice cream. On that motion, commissioner chan aye. Diamond. Aye. Fung. He is getting on the screen. Aye. Aye. Commissioner johnson. Aye. Moore. Aye. Koppel. Aye. And i do apologize, it is getting a little bit late. Along those lines, commissioners, that will allow us to move to items 19, 18a and b have been continued. So item 19, case number 2017013959drp170 are you prepared to make your presentation . Yes, i am. Thank you. Thank you. Good evening, president koppel and members of the commission. David winslow, staff architect. Before you is a public initiated request for discretionarily view of Building Permit applications 2017 and 1023 can i interrupt. I need to make a disclosure before you continue with this item. Sure. Im sorry about that. I just wanted to disclose that the architect for this project, louis butler, is someone who i have retained to perform personal Architecture Services for my house. I do not believe that that relationship will have any impact on my ability to remain impartial as i hear this matter. Very good. Thank you. I do apologize. I had that note. Im sorry about that. I want to disclose that the you need to mute someones mic who is watching on a delayed broadcast, thank you. Go ahead. Thank you. The item before you is a public initiated request for a discretionary review of Building Permit application number 2017 and 2012. 1990 to demolish an exiting threestorey Single Family residents with a detached garage and for the construction of a new threestorey over basement Single Family residents with a twocar garage at the basement level. The existing building is a resource as a contribute or to the eligibility Historic District and its removal was determined to not result in accumulative impact to the integrity of the district. I am joined my Michelle Taylor and anderson of our preservation staff to answer any followup questions regarding the analysis of the the properties of 164 seacliff avenue a neighbor to the three main issues and the design is i am compatible with the Design Elements of the surrounding eligible seacliff district and its out of scale with other buildings in the areas and three, impact light, privacy and views of the Golden Gate Bridge and baker beach from adjacent properties. The proposed alternatives include respecting front set backs, respecting set backs for planning code section 133 for the sites at becks and 134 for the rear set backs. Reduce expansion to the rear and incorporate traditional Design Competition and the elements. To date, the department has received one letter in opposition to the project and six letters in support. Considering the d. R. Request this project was reviewed by the residential design advisory and the siding is consistent with the front, side and rear set backs and code comfy ploy ant witcode compliantand the threef the street is consistent with other buildings on this block. The building massing and siding restains light and visual access to the common open space from adjacent properties and and the views are not protected by the Department Planning code and policies and lastly, the application sin intended to result in designs that are compatible with the patterns of the existing context not to imitator recreate previous historical styles. As such, the massing composition materials preportion and details are modern and compatible fit with the family of other buildings in the surroundings. Staff deems there are no exceptional or extraordinary circumstances in and recommends not taking discretionary review and improving as proposed. Im happy to answer questions. Thank you. Are you prepared to make your representation. D. R. Requester. You may need to hit star 6. Is the dr requesting for 178 seacliff on the call . Is the project sponsor for 178 seacliff on the call . Yes. Lets go ahead and go to the project sponsors presentation and see if the discussion ary review can join us moment arly. I will let you know just as soon as your slides are pushed forward. And now it appears as they are, you will have five minutes, sir. I appreciate it. Good evening, commissioners, thank you for the opportunity to address real time and im the owner of the to this discretionary review request. Its one of the most extraordinary sights in the world and it has been to be able to live in San Francisco and when this lot became available it was clear. Five years ago i worked and i want to create a home of modern architecture for the same thing today modern. We have been through an extensive process and taking it from modern residential and we have always done an extensive mapping out of the Residential Community and looking into all the 300 houses. In relation to the historical aspect we identified four rooms out of 300 houses and its during the after the period of the architect actual significance. And so why the neighborhood has historical value does have in the fact that the neighborhood has continued to involve and it is not static. The exhibits show. If they fit well into the neighborhood and surrounding houses, the house design does not rival the Historical Houses on the street they live in a timely anesthetics and fading into the background. Please show exhibit number 3. The major design print are proposed in die setback and they are achieved and its a safe material that will be of the stone will be gray and it is with the neighborhood like colors. Please show exhibit number four. Its opportunity on sea cliff. This is why we have deliberately the side of the house to the Property Line creating a new unique public pedestrian view portal to the bay and to the marin. It is my hope that the public vow will become perhaps the first and most notably aspects of the architecture. Continuing on the theme on transparency with the community that will be no fencing, no gates, no cars on the lot. Part of the lot. I think it will be an unassaulted view in this corridor. Im creating a opportunity in the basement with no formal garage in the hope that in the future, cars will be obsolete. In summary, we are very mindful that the seacliff community represents a important part of San Francisco and we are committed to work hard with refining the investment necessary resources to bring the execution and thank you. Does that conclude the project sponsors presentation . Sounds like it does. Dr requester, are you on the line . Dr requester, are you prepared to make your presentation . Lets go ahead and go to Public Comment. You will be limited to two minutes. Your conference is in question and answer mode. To summon each question, press one then zero. You have five questions remaining. Hi, think that rich people in seacliff do not deserve to knockdown perfectly good, service able homes so they can have a view corridor. This is the height of the the elitism. Projects, whoever wants to build this home, i want to let you personally know i want to up zone your home so that we can build Affordable Housing instead. You dont need a new fancy home what you need is more equality, and to give equity to people who deserve it. I dont think you di deserve to have this exciting new architecture, modern architecture and i this is 100 ridiculous. If were talking about Racial Equity and social equity in one day and were talking about knocking down an existing useable home and building a new one and the swerve is clear, that is dealing with and i rarely say this, this is view should be taken and leave the home as it is. Come on. Thank you. You have four questions remaining. Hello, this is mike chan im speaking as a board member of northern neighbors, district 2 housing and Advocacy Organization for livable, walkable neighborhoods. I think im speaking on this instance because of processing and i dont think the Planning Commission should get involved in disagreements between wealthy neighbors about whether a house is appropriate or not appropriate even though this is client for client and if we did not allow these views we would not be out here talking at 9 40p. M. So i urge you to please disapprove me discretionary view you have four questions remaining. Hi, commissioners. Good evening. This is dale gordon. I am a resident of district 5 and a renter in the city and i cant decide whether to say i support or oppose this project. Its just stupid. Why are we why do we have these arguments, just like last week whether one rich person and one mansion could have his roof deck that looked over one other rich person and their mansion. I dont get it. We spent hours at the beginning of this conversation and it was like yeah, back when it was light outside, talking about equity. The fact that Planning Commission spends their time makinmaking sure a rich neighbor doesnt have to look at another rich neighbor because its a slightly big house. Maybe the Planning Commission should focus not building a a ma mansion but a 10storey building that has sevenstoreys with a view of the ocean but that would be Apartment Building and renting more People Living in seacliff. They say im process gres i have, im part of liberal San Francisco but i dont want poor people, i dont want apartment dwellers in my neighborhood. Thats not equity. Its one thing when we hear from neighbors in soma like we did earlier today with their concerns about height limits, theyre concerned about access to open space but its another thing we have rich exclusive red line neighborhoods saying i dont want any housing in my neighborhood. That is not San Francisco charter and its not what were doing here and we should up zone the west side and up zone ceqa. Thank you. You have three questions remaining. Hi, my name is joel and i live in district 5 and im very sickened about these rich people that want to restore their house. They should not be allowed to knockdown an existing home to build another one. Work with what youve got. Its funny how the rich people are all about making their houses look fancy and bigger but when it comes to Affordable Housing, they do wan dont wantn their neighborhood. How about we knock your house down and have Affordable Housing or market rate housing. Its stupid and i think its dumb that these rich ass holes wants to review the house and i yield my time. You have two questions remaining. I will ask members of the public please not use that kind of language, thank you, very much. Go ahead, sir. Good evening, commissioners. Thank you. Question commissioners. I request that the person who is supposed to be making the presentation is having technical difficulties getting into to speak. The dr requester, i want to make sure we dont default on this and if we could refer to the papers and we can review because they tried to call in but its not successful thank you, very much. You have two questions remaining. Commissioner and this is a prime example and and and its just really disheartening to me and where clearly and justice that now were talking about and wealthy neighborhood have complex and it doesnt have any Affordable Housing in were going to allow for this bigger home to be built and and preserve their privilege in this neighborhood and i just spoken about zoning and a lot of other people and this is like a prime example of where we really need to discuss what is going on and exclusionary zoning. Just look at this project with the same level of equity and justice and what you are looking at large projects and soma and large projects in the mission and in hub and look at with the same lens of equity when you lock at this project is going to reinforce the norm and we have been upholding as a city for decades and this is what causes this placement and this causes extreme economic inequity and please and applying the same lens with all projects with this one and apartment complex in the seacliff and not all of and thank you. You have two questions remaining. Hello. Your time is running, sir. Can i speak now. Your time is running. Ok, 275 seacliff. I experienced the 255 sea cliff tear down here which was the first demo three years ago and by the butler design and again, reviewing this design the commission could take a look at the plans because they showed this corridor and this is a huge highway going back to where the pool area is. It doesnt show anything with the driveway dropping into the third floor, basement floor for the cars so again, i dont like to see plans that are well designed and this is flawed and thats a change and also, there is elevation, things that should be looked at and they have a class rail up on top of the roof and it doesnt state where its going to have a penthouse entry or an interior entry. So, you know, theres details that are not there as they went through all the of the briefs on this listening in my computer so, let the real information on this house because you know, my experience with the butler design was he was terrible person to work with and i dont know about this architect thats taking it over from him. Operator you have one question remaining. Hello. Im theodore randolph. Im a residence of the excelsior, and im noticing that folks have a particularly good reason to take discretionary review of this thing, but while were looking at this property, it shows how our values, the zoning doesnt really reflect our values very well because we can only take zone rh1 d can only take a singlefamily house to a. D. U. S. And its good that it can take a. D. U. S, but with the demographic of the area, its a lot better use to have duplexes, triplexes or quad plexes or even more. This lot is almost three times as big as a typical lot out in the excelsior. If we had equal ownership or some sort of condo arrangement, then i think that type of ownership would be more attract tiattract attractive to people that could afford ceqa. Thank you. Operator you have zero questions remaining. Clerk very good, commissioners. We will try one more time to go to the d. R. Requester. Are you online, d. R. Requester . We have been communicating with her via email, trying to provide the appropriate access, and im not sure why shes having technical difficulties in joining us. D. R. Requester, youve been provided a link and the phone call. Are you prepared to submit your testimony . Okay. Apparently not. Alicia, im sorry. We have been communicating with you via email. Why dont we take jonas, can she call the public line . Clerk absolutely. Any way she can get into the public hearing, well accept her testimony. Can you provide her with that number in case shes watching. Clerk it will be streaming on sfgtv. Okay. Thanks. Clerk and if its not, ill give it to you right now. The number, alicia, i believe it is, is 8882733658. Enter access code 3107452, hit pound, then pound again, and then enter one, and then zero, and if chan hi, this is frederick knapp. Can you hear me . Clerk oh, very good. You are part of the d. R. Team. You have five minutes. Okay. Can you please put our third slide up . Im a preservation architect here in San Francisco, and i did the review for the d. R. Requester, looking at the ceqa potential district under the national registerer criteria, california register criteria, secretary of the interior standards, and ceqa. I cant speak to the legalities, but if you would go to the third slide, id like to point out some physical characteristics of the existing house on the subject property and compare them with the proposed design. The intent here is to give you specific physical qualities that contrast between existing building and the proposed building. First of all, theres an existing side set back on the west side that is lost in the proposed design. Secondly, the front landscape existing is continuous with the district whereas the proposed has a retaining wall around a sunken front courtyard, which is kind of a private landscape. Thirdly, the existing house is based in grade whereas before, the proposed one floats above grade, according to the architect. Like the other houses in ceqa, the existing has a complex form with a roof provide meeting the sky. The proposed is a pure geometric form. The existing front facade has a regular composition that is reads from floor to floor, where the new is a complex competition. The existing floor windows are punched openings in the wall plane, wood windows. The proposed are large aluminum frame windows, most of them set back from the wall frame. On the facade, you see water work bell courses, whereas the proposed has sheer unarticulated wall planes. The present has a tripartite competition, and last, but not least, the existing is characterized by ornament even in this relatively simple house, and the proposed, being a modern design, is all about minimalism without ornament, and it makes it incompatible with the revival styles that complement the district. It makes it very much incompatible. Thank you very much for your attention. Clerk thank you. Does that conclude the d. R. Requesters presentation . Yes. If you could advance to the second slide and just read it, again, miss guera presents legal issues which are beyond my expertise. Clerk okay. Very good. I will assume, then, that concludes the d. R. Requesters presentation. We will go to the project sponsor for rebuttal. Youll have two minutes. Project sponsor . Project sponsor, are you forfeiting your rebuttal . Yes. No further comments for now. I think we have defined all necessary information. Clerk excellent. Thank you. D. R. Requester, you have a two minute rebuttal. Hello, can you hear me . This is kristina daikus. Im here to speak in rebuttal on behalf of the project sponsor. Page and turnbull prepared the report for this project. The impact under ceqa is that a project would render the entire Historic District inform longer eligible for listing in the california register. The boundaries of the ceqa Historic District are a visible layer on the Planning Departments Historic Resource map. We identified that there are approximately 300 individual Properties Within the boundary. Based on an identified period of significance of 1913 to 1935, there are approximately 230 Properties Within the boundaries that were built during that time period and are considered potential district contributors. Visual inspection of the residences throughout the district suggest that the majority of age eligible buildings as well as the districts design landscape retain good overall integrity and continue to convey the districts significance. Thus, the loss of one contributing building will not meet the threshold of cumulative impact which would render the Historic District ineligible for listing in the register. The loss of one home also does not meet the threshold for impact. So to conclude, page and turnbull wholly supports the Planning Department in their evaluation response. Clerk thank you. That concludes your time. Is the d. R. Requester prepared to submit a rebuttal . Okay, commissioners, thats it. The matter is now before you. President koppel thanks again for everyone and their patience. Again, im going with staffs recommendation and would entertain a motion. Commissioner moore . Vice president moore thank you to staff. Its a very thorough analysis. Very much appreciate also getting a better overview of the history of the district. I agree with staffs findings. I would suggest that we do not take d. R. And approve the project as proposed. Clerk is that a motion, commissioner moore . Vice president moore yes, it is. Clerk thank you. President koppel second. Clerk seeing no further comment, commissioners, theres a motion to not take d. R. And approve the project as proposed. On that motion [roll call] clerk so moved, commissioners. That motion passes unanimously, 70, and we have approached the final item on your agenda today, commissioners. Case item number 20, case 2020001090 drp at 3726 ortega street. This is a discretionary review. Staff, are you prepared to present . I am, thank you. Good evening, president koppel, commissioners. David winslow again, staff architect. The item before you is a public initiated request for discretionary review of Building Application 2018. 1220. 0144 to legalize a rear horizontal expansion completed without the benefit of a building permission. The expansion was a horizontal expansion at the rear. The building will extend further than any other further on the block. A proposed alternative is to have a site set back. To date, this project has received six letters in opposition and no letters in support. The proposed work to expansion the addition does not expand the building foot print or massing. The legalization of the dwelling unit improves the safety and quality of the existing accessory dwelling unit. The d. R. Requester has an existing sun shade that extends to virtually the same depth as the subject property, and the rear yards all face south, enabling ample sun access through most of the day. There are, staff finds that there are no extraordinary circumstances in this proposal and recommend denying d. R. Thats my presentation. Thank you. Clerk thank you. Is the d. R. Ready to make their presentation. You may need to hit starsix to unmute your telephone. Am i on. Clerk you are on, and it does appear that your presentation although it looks like your presentation, although its just an email, will have four minutes. And i believe that the slide presentation has been set up for me. Jonas, i have the most uptodate presentation for the d. R. Requester, if youd like me to share it. Clerk well, that would have been good to have been known in advance, mr. Winslow, but yes, why dont you go ahead and share that, and mr. D. R. Requester, if you could hold on until mr. Winslow shares his screen, we will start your time. Okay. Its up. Can you see it . Can i start it with slide 2 . Sure. Clerk lets see if mr. Winslow there you go, sir. Your time is running, you have four minutes. Good evening, commissioner, and thank you for your time. My name is jordan kwan. Im here to oppose the rear extension portion of the project. As you can see, without the extension, theres plenty of light, and its open to my yard. If the extension is to be allowed, it will severely affect the amount of light and the usage on our yard. Can you please go to slide 1. With the simulated extension shown, the amount of light to my planning area will be very limited. In addition, the extension bedroom is very close by. Its a privacy concern. I believe this extension is not in line with the Design Guidelines which normally have a set back, and its not compatible with the neighborhood because there is no legal living extension structure on this side. I do have a porch, but the porch is just very open, as you can see. Can you go to slide three, please. All the neighbor attending neighbors during the neighborhood meeting, they have opposed and signed an extension letter. I also want to point out, in the past 25plus years, the owner has built this illegal structure extension without consulting us, hiding the fact that it is not legal and suggests everything was done right. The fact is it is not. Can you go to slide 4 . This construction was inferior and cheap material. As a result, there were health and safety issues, with water damage on the siding, water leak with wood rot and mildews. Also, Secondhand Smoke from the window next to us. We have suffered with this for 25 years. To make matters worse, the contractor they hired has seriously damaged my foundation without informing us. They dug a bunch of holes underneath our home just to make it easier for them, and this is unacceptable to me. Luckily, it was discovered by city inspector carl weaver. Go to slide 7. You can see the violation. And also slide 8, you can see the damage theyve done to my house. I tried to compromise. I proposed a threefoot set back, which is reasonable and is common of this kind of extension. It will address many of my concerns, and it is a winwin for both of us. And id also like to point out that the owner didnt live there, so he he doesnt really need the extension. His intention was to sell the house afterward. Now my wife is a stroke eight years ago. She is disabled with limited mobility. She cant travel far. Her few hobbies, one of them is gardening and enjoying a book in the yard. The proposed extension will affect the liveability of our yard. Please propose a set back so we can all live comfortably. Thank you. Hello . Clerk yes, we can hear you sir. Youve got ten seconds. Thats your time, sir. Is the project sponsor prepared to make their presentation . Project sponsor . Yes, good evening. Commissioners. My name is veronica welch. Im with romano welch architects. Im here to ask you to not take d. R. And approve the project. Clerk clai clerk veronica, to ask you to delay your presentation until your slides are up. There is a 30second delay, and i would ask you to speak to the slides and direct staff. Your time is running. You have four minutes. Im just looking at the presentation clerk dont wait. I just told you theres a 30second delay. The time is running. I see. So as i the whole how this project started was because the existing [inaudible] has these two units. One unit is the upper unit, and the bottom unit, an illegal unit. The whole motion started by a complaint by the resident with regards to mildew. When the building inspector came to the site, he discovered an illegal unit, and a violation was issued to the owner. If we can go to slide number 2, and this is the review and a letter of response. So i think its clear that weve been communicating with the d. P. R. Request, which mr. Kwan and we clarified with him that the project was in response to a citation that was issued to legalize the existing unit that has been in place for over 35 years, and this thing will now have a program in which well use the legalization ordinance for 4314. We are not changing the envelope. Were allowing it existing to remain. Were just upgrading finishes [inaudible] if we go to slide number 3, please, one of the [inaudible] that we had on this from the assigned planner was there was an over sight to where he forgot to issue notice to all the neighbors, and so this created a lot of confusion because there was a he started construction without knowing that the notice had not been properly addressed, and so thats when all the complaints came, and the construction site was shutdown. If we go to slide number 5, please and i know its too big, but i just wanted to point out we got our permit, and i highlighted all the signatures where we can clearly show it was approved by the Planning Department and also building and fire. We can move to slide number 6. I would want to address the comments of mr. Kwan where he mentioned that we underminded his foundation. This is the sanborns map, and i highlighted against 3627. Mr. Kwans is 3621. This is the existing shape of the envelope. Most of these units have been infilled. That [inaudible] and if we can just go to the last image, you can clearly see our property and the property of mr. Kwan and how the garden that hes mentioning is almost at the same distance of the existing extension. Clerk thank you. Does that conclude your presentation . Yes, because i believe my time i could hear a bell. Clerk you have is that correct . Clerk yes, your time is up. I appreciate that. Clerk okay. That was the sorry. Im a little lost. Are we supposed to go to Public Comment now . Commissioner fung Public Comment. Clerk very good. Thank you. I appreciate that. Members of the public operator your conference is now in questionandanswer mode. To summon each question, press one and then zero. Clerk okay. Now is your opportunity to get into the queue. Members of the public, you will have two minutes. Operator you have zero questions remaining. Clerk fantastic, commissioners. D. R. Requester, you have a twominute rebuttal. D. R. Requester, are you prepared to submit your rebuttal . Hello . Clerk yes. Okay. Okay. They say this is the same footprint as before for 25 years. I say i have suffered this for 25 years already. Lets not do another 25 years. Im willing to compromise. This threefoot set back, which will address a lot of my concerns, including light privacy, health and safety issues. Most construction of these nature, they have threefoot set back. The owner doesnt live there, and he dont need the extra space. The only person affected by this will be us. Were living here for 25 years, and we will continue to live there another 25 years. Commissioners, please recommend a threefoot set back. The decision you make will affect us for the next 25 years and to come. Thank you. Clerk d. R. Requester, are you done . Youve got some time. Im done. Clerk thank you. Thank you. Clerk project sponsor, you have a twominute rebuttal. Project sponsor . [inaudible] because i do want to address mr. Kwans comments. Clerk project sponsor, you have a twominute rebuttal. Your clock is running. Right. I was just asking if we could show the last slide that i had. My comment was in regards to light, the lot faced almost south, so theres actually no impact from the extension. If regards to privacy, we already have a [inaudible] that is actually already 7 feet high. Mr. Kwans property is 3 feet over the existing property of mr. Yu, meaning that their top of lot is 3 feet higher than our site. And in regards to safety, were also doing a full remodel, which is makes us [inaudible] and the whole bottom unit is going to be fire rated, and its going to have fire sprinklers, so this will improve the safety of that area. In addition, we will be adding another unit to housing area which is [inaudible] so we will be adding an affordable unit to be placed in the market. And i just wanted to show the last slide because it shows that our top of roofage is in line [inaudible] and i end my rebuttal. Clerk thank you. Commissioners, that ends the Public Comment portion of this hearing. President koppel jonas, tonight, you have won a special place in my heart, and i personally want to thank you for all the talking and time keeping that youve had to do today. Im personally leaning toward staffs recommendation on this one. Commissioner moore . Vice president moore im in support of staffs recommendations. I do not see anything exceptional or extraordinary except gaining an a. D. U. , and im in full support. Second. Clerk seeing no further deliberations, commissioners, there is a motion that has been seconded to not take d. R. And approve with staffs modifications. On that motion [roll call] clerk so moved, commissioners. That motion passes unanimously, 70. I would like to congratulate you on our marathon hearing for 2020 in these remote settings. I appreciate your patience. Im going to go get some ice cream. Vice president moore lets go, please. Me, too. Clerk and were adjourned. The hon. London breed good morning, everyone, and thank you so much for joining us. As civic demonstrations continue around the world, we are emboldened by the protests and the calls for action to address the racial injustices and inequities in policing and Law Enforcement. These protests come at a time when our communities have been struggling even more because of the coronavirus. For too long, black people have been subjected to abuse at the hands of those in power. Now is the time that we can make sure that the demonstrations that we see are translated into real action. As has sadly been demonstrated by the death of george floyd, black communities are also disproportionately represented in our criminal justice system, so reforms go hand and hand both around Police Reforms and criminal justice reforms, as well. Weve seen in San Francisco a lot of real change but also knowing that we have a lot more to do. So we are really excited with this panel here today to talk about the work that San Francisco has already done but also our commitment to doing even more, including using the police in response to noncriminal activities, addressing police biases and strengthening our ability, and promoting economic justice. If were going to make real change, we need to fundamentally change the nature of policing itself. Here is an incredible opportunity, and so todays conversation will discuss other paths, criminal justice reforms that have been made in San Francisco, and joining us today, i am so excited to have van jones here. Now people know about his work around criminal justice reform, environment justice, and other things, but i remember when i was living in public housing, that was a time when African Americans would not always standup to the police. You would see this black man, van jones, on the news whenever there was an injustice, calling it out and pushing for a change. Hes been doing this work for over 25 years, and just imagine, at a time when it was not popular, that he especially as an African American man was a target, he had the courage to step up to fight, and hes still fighting. Thank you so much to van jones for joining us today. We also have board of equalization chair malia cohen, who when she and i were on the board of supervisors, we led so many Police Reforms. She was instrumental in banning the chokehold and other policies that we are now implementing in San Francisco even when others attacked her, when they came after her, she stood strong, she stood tall, and now, as a result of her work, we have a separate office of Police Accountability that she brought to the ballot, and we worked together to do some Amazing Things in our Police Department. Welcome, malia cohen, and finally, we have police chief bill scott. Chief scott has also been a partner for pushing for these Police Reforms here in San Francisco, and we all know that change is not easy, but hes been committed to working with our communities and working for change because we want better not only for our Police Department, we want better for our community. So thank you all so much for joining us here today. Im really excited to get us started on this panel, and i want to really start with you, van. The fact is i mean, the fact is youre still here, doing this work, and now, you have more people who are doing this work. And when you were doing this work, you were criticized, you were discriminated, you were threatened. At that time, there were a lot of beatings because i remember seeing them my he have personally. There was no Police Accountability then. Tell me, what does it mean to see it right now . First of all, its a crazy experience. To see you the mayor, its just that, its a whole word. To be looking at you, malia, and to be looking at chief scott, i dont think people understand what it was like just in the 90s in San Francisco. I mean, we literally had a shoot first ask first, ask questions later policy. I look back to when i was a kid, and i thought, what was i doing . In San Francisco, we had a policy of shooting, pepper spraying, and beating African Americans to death. Sean williams beaten and pepper sprayed to death by a Police Officer named mark andaya. We finally rose up and said we had enough. I remember that. We would go to 850 bryant, and we would use that, we would use that Public Comment to turn the Police Commission meetings into public rallies, and we finally got rid of that Police Officer. That finally put me on the National Stage because no one had gotten a Police Officer fired in 30 years. I cannot tell you how important it is, what youre doing. It is very hard. People need Law Enforcement. We just want Law Enforcement. We want the police to obey the law, and we want them to play their lane and let the counselors play their lane, let the yoga instructors play their lane, let everybody play their lane. But when the Police Officers are given too many jobs to do, and too little oversight, thats what were going to have, were going to have homelessness is a police issue, drug addicts are a police issue. When kid throws an eraser, its a police issue. Everything is a police issue. I just want to say that i cannot tell you how important it is for you to create a model, a reinvented Police Presence in San Francisco, that that can license people across the country to do the same thing. I dont want to go down memory lane. Weve got too many problems right now, but at this time a trip, 25 years later, to see people like you and the chief talking about things we were talking about 25 years ago. The hon. London breed yeah, it is amazing. And when you think about it, 25 years, and sadly, we still see African American men, for the most part, losing their lives at the hands of Law Enforcement. The hon. London breed and the question i ask myself is, why is it always African American men . We have a lot of wonderful officers out there developing relationships, trying to work with the community. I grew up not trusting Police Officers, and to bridge that gap was important, but we also know that there are racist cops, there are cops that dont see African Americans as human beings, and thats at the core of what we need to dismantle. So its not just the policies, its how do we completely rid our departments of people who have a problem with black people, with lgbtq people, with chinese people, with folks who are different than they are . Im trying to figure out what to call you, chair cohen, because im used to calling you supervisor, but im so glad that you could join this conversation because you were so heroic. I was focused on police reform, but you took it to a whole nother level, and you just ran with it. As a member of the board of supervisors, you didnt have to attend Police Commission meetings, but you sat there for hours. And the time you invested in getting rid of the chokehold and the attacks on the Police Officers association, and all the stuff that you pushed for, you see what were implementing. As you support policies, we used to have seven officer involved shootings, and then, over the past two years, we have seen three officer involved shootings, which none have resulted in death. What do you think about the work youve done, and what do you think we have to do . Because we definitely have more to do. Good morning, chief and van and mayor. Its good to be with you on this panel and be part of this incredible moment in time. You know, mayor breed, i really its a mixed emotion, right . So in many ways, im proud that we have the foresight to start these processes. We used the board of supervisors, and we also used the Police Commission, two very, very important systems that are complementary to each other. But also, i feel like we still have a lot of work to do. I feel like we need to continue to roll up our sleeves and to better our best to continue to have thoughtful conversations on police matters. When we are talking about Law Enforcement, i want to focus on at least in our city, we focus on San Francisco Police Department, but we also need to focus on those in custody and the San Francisco sheriffs department. I think one of the entities that deserves the highest credit to our citys success really has to do with civilian oversight. Weve got a great Police Commission, and we need to continue to strengthen that commission. I am proud of the department of Police Accountability that we that got passed in 2016 that voters approved with over 70 . So there is a lot of things to be proud of. But looking forward, and looking into the future, theres still much work that needs to be done. So im delighted to be on this today with you and chief and van so that we can continue to talk about and make these changes. Im an instigator. You are, van. You are. And i appreciate these conversations. Theyre uncomfortable, and its time to be uncomfortable because now, were having an honest conversation about the changes that we need to make for black people in this country. I talk about this as mayor and when i was supervisor, and its not just because im black. African americans are less than 6 of the population in San Francisco, but almost 40 are homeless. And almost 50 are involved in the criminal justice system. The kids are dropping out of high school. Everything you talk about, were disproportionately represented, and everything that we talked about, we cant congratulate ourselves until theyre a part of the success, and that success means a reform of policing. Chief scott, youve been a member of the department for a few years now. Youve been criticized about the implementation of the reform. The obama administration, in 2015, issued recommendations around 21 century policing, and we committed, in San Francisco back then, that we are going to implement those recommendations. There have been a lot of criticism because out of the 273 recommendations, San Francisco has only been able to implement 61. Now its not about checking a box. We want to make sure people understand when theyre doing antibias training, when theyre doing deescalation training, that they get it. So tell us why things are moving so slowly, and what can we expect moving forward, and how are we going to get to a better place around policing in our city . Yeah, thank you, mayor breed. Let me start off by answering your question about reform. 272 recommendations, that process was a longtime process in terms of what got us there. And really, what got us there are the officerinvolved shootings that san franciscans were outraged about. So of those 272 recommendations, 58 of them specifically deal with use of force, and i am happy to report to you all that we were in compliance with according to the department of justice on over half of our use of force revisions. Ill back up a step further in terms of the time that it takes. Reform is not like you just said in there, a checked box process, it is not that. Even with the 61 recommendations that we have completed, one of the things that we had to work on was whats the Continuous Improvement loop . So weve completed the recommendation, but what we had to put in place were systems of accountability so we dont rest on our successes and say were done. And when the california d. O. J. Looked at our work, you know, a lot of our work got kicked back for just that reason. We had cannot the work that we needed to do, but its whats next on the forefront. We had to go back like our officer involved shootings, we had town hauls. Its good for the communities to be transparent, to get the community have a say in letting us know what theyre thinking, feeling, but that recommendation, even though we were doing town hauls before i got here. What they found was we didnt have a feedback loop to converse with the community and each other after the town haul to say what can we do better . So we had to go back and institute a feedback loop to make sure that every time we have an incident, that we continue to look at it critically, and we continue to get better. Let me say this, and not to be too long winded, for all of you on the call, i and many of you applaud your leadership, because somebody had to step out and be the first one. Often times im not a biker, but i know a lot of bikers. They always talk about the first one in line, everybody goes behind them because its easier to follow. You were the first one in line, and strathat was instrumental get us to successes. Mayor breed, you had the same experiences in terms of being a leader. What youre trying to do in terms of redirecting our resources, thats leadership. Other people jumped behind you and said were going to do this, too. But what mr. Jones did back 25 years ago, thats not easy, but it makes it easier for people to stand behind you and push, so i just want to say, its a challenge, but were making progress, and we will continue to go. The hon. London breed chief, i just want to say that San Francisco is one thing, and we still have our problems, but when you look at whats still happening and i try not to get emotional, but what i saw in the video with george floyd, and even mario woods here in San Francisco. And when i see these things happen, im thinking about my brother, im thinking about my cousin and others and even those that i helped raise in this community and the fillmore, all black men, right . And then, i feel like why . Why is it always us, and how this conversation now, what people saw, weve been forced to live with it. Weve had no choice. But now, others are starting to emerge and look at this incredible opportunity. So i wanted to hear from you, you know, what do you think is going on nationally as to why were here, and do you think its going to lead to national change with Law Enforcement in our country . I think it is, we have the opportunity here. Listen, in the past two weeks, youve seen the emergence of a conversation on race. Most of the time, were getting gaslit; people saying oh, well, he was running, the police had to make a quick decision, and so people were getting desensitized to what we are seeing. But this was a lynching, a lynching. A white man strangling a black man to death, and his face looking peaceful the whole time. The only threat was the cops. You have to watch it one minute, two minutes, three minutes, four minutes, hes calling for his mother. His mothers been dead. Five minutes, urinating on himself. People screaming, youre killing him. Five times, he said he cant breathe. Weve been lynched for 400 years, but youve never seen it on a billion cell phones at the same time. Youve never seen it on 1 billion cell phones at the same time. In the 50s, a generation of black people, when they got to campus, campuses in the 50s, they took off. The picture, the Television Pictures of those dogs being sicced on children in birmingham in 63, the whole world moved. That young child who held that video camera put a shard of glass into every video camera in the planet, and so now, they are a part of that, they dont know what to do, and that creates an opportunity for people to say hey, we have ideas. Weve been trying to tell you, and we have a perfect video of a perfect murder in daylight with cell phone cameras and body cameras on. I know you get it now. What do we do . Im part of a National Movement matt haney your good friend matt haney and i created something called cut 50 several years to try to get some bipartisan support on that movement. We now have republicans and democrats trying to Work Together in congress right now to try to do something right now, to try to get a bill passed. All of these steps that weve been taking along the way have brought us to this point. I believe that you have 30 to 40 million white people in america right now who maybe believe three things. Number one, racism is real or more real than we thought, somethings wrong with the system when it comes to police and criminal justice, and what can i do . Im going to tell you, as an old guy, thats a miracle. Ive never seen that, and so i do think more is possible. We have to be very, very clear that at the end of the day, we have to reimagine and reinvent policing itself. The kids are saying defund the police, defund the police. Everybody is mad at the kids for saying that. But if you double click on that defund the Police Slogan i understand that people dont like that the ideas are about reinventing and reforming the police and giving them the right resources to social services and everything so the police dont have to do everything. So theres something now out there that can do that. But what i say to you is this no longer being gaslit every time we Say Something is happening thats racial, and having to climb a 1,000mile mountain of proof when we know what the hell is going on and everybody else. When nascar says you cant bring confederate flags anymore, when the nfl supports people kneeling, theres something happening. Y the hon. London breed you have people stepping down from boards, saying put a black person in my place. You have juneteenth celebrations, and a lot of folks dont even know what juneteenth is. Ive got to say, part of it is i pray that this is not a fad for people, you know . I want this to be real, and i also dont want people to keep treating this, you know, in some ways, like a joke. Theres a lot of blood, sweat, and tears that have gotten us to this moment, and so i want us to be active in this energy for getting change. Eric garcetti in los angeles was one of the first to say im going to redirect funding for the Police Department to programs in the African American community, im like, how did you do that . He said hed already been working on it. He already had an amount, hed already been working on it. Im, like, not trying to jump on the band wagon, but at the same time, when i look at the police budgets, and i look at the African American community, and weve been talking about reparations and the need to invest in the African American community in this city, this is a need. This is not about a fad, this is about we have to be deliberate. And were not saying the Police Department were not saying we dont need Police Officers. Thats exactly what youre talking about, reenvision, reenvision. So when barbecue becky is saying, im in the park, and youre not supposed to barbecue in the park, and theres some black people barbecuing in the park. Is it a dangerous situation . Are people getting hurt . Why should police have to go out there in the first place because that could escalate things. Because being theres a tension and a lack of understanding and a breakdown, and that could escalate to somebody black getting killed. It could. So we have to be mindful of these things and, you know, i want to go back to chair cohen because, you know, like i said, the policies some of the policies that weve been pushing for are now being implemented along with more that needs to be done. So, for example, one of the things that you pushed for was around, you know, antibias training and the goal of trying to make sure that people who have, you know, some sort of disciplinary issues around biases on their record and those who have certain complaints and other things, that were able to basically hold them accountable and we make sure that we hold people accountable in their department. Tell us about what you have worked on and also more that you want to see here in San Francisco which hopefully could translate to other departments in the country. Chair cohen so one of the things that i think San Francisco has done well has to do with crisis intervention training. I think c. I. T. Training is important for every single officer that is on the street, and i would even take it a step further, and in addition to kri s crisis intervention training, deescalation techniques to try to calm the situation down before tasers are drawn. Just knowing that the San Francisco Police Department does not have tasers, but thats always in the backdrop and always a discussion, whereas our sheriffs are armed with them. But when i think about bias training, bias training is really interesting, and i remember prior to chief scott serving, when the previous chief was serving, we had many conversations, and quite frankly, mayor lee would go round and round, there was an attitude that not everyone needed biasunbias training. The truth is we all have biases that shape every day how we all interact. And as government officials, i think its important for us to look at these biases and deconstruct them, not only from a Law Enforcement perspective but also you think about your department heads, how they allocate their budget. Which departments are receiving money and which are not . These are all critical pieces to the puzzle because the responsibility does not solely rest on Law Enforcement. What did you say, van . Im just over here having church because thats the basis for peaceful streets. Thats what we want, peaceful streets. Thats the ecosystem, peaceful streets. Go to the suburbs. You have a whole system that makes it happen, not just the cops, peaceful streets. Go ahead. Chair cohen thank you, van. Its a universal attitudinal change, and i applaud you for trying to make a policy change to pull out Law Enforcement officers in an educational setting. I also want to recognize that we talk about neighborhood response and neighborhood watch, being critical and mindful that weve got next door, and often times on next door weve got these successful neighborhood vigilante putting up racist profiles that cause problems. You talked about barbecue becky. We think of the bird watcher in central park about how police have been weaponized and called onto punish, quite honestly, when the person is African American and male. So we need to envision, maybe we dont need Police Response for every single problem. Perhaps we need to have a Crisis Intervention Team that is trained to respond to issues that take place at lake mary or issues that take place in places such az centrs central. These changes are not new, but theres a real commitment, and weve got fresh leadership think about it. These are changes that were discussing that you and i havent been able to discuss since weve been serving in office, and weve been serving for at least ten years. There was an issue in the legislature yesterday that got out of assembly for, and that was bill 209. It was around 25 years. It was the First Campaign that i worked on, works agained aga legislation to repeal. Now here we are, working to get it on the ballot. Now what does prop 209 have to do with police . Oh, it has to do with it. When youve got womenowned businesses, minorityowned businesses, theyre vested. Theyre making an investment in their families, making an investment in their communities, and have the ability to stand with an incredible sense of pride. Overall, how that relates to organizations, how that relates to businesses, were all interconnected. And i think the moment we stop realizing oh, this is a police issue, oh, this is a Mental Health issue, oh, this is a womens issue, thats the moment that we begin to move forward in a very thoughtful way. But i think about other reforms. If you want me to go on, i can. I mentioned Community Policing being incredibly important. We talk about foot patrols, what that looks like. We talk about increasing Mental Health organizations, funding for service providers. We think about luis gongora, unfortunate situation where he was a homeless man, shot and killed in the streets of San Francisco. Now another issue that may be controversial but i want to mention it, we are transparent about officers records, having transparency in two areas the collection of data and the analysis of data. So we understand that chief, i believe this is a is this in the administrative code, was it 90a . 96a. Chair cohen thank you, 96a, which we both fought for when i was on the board of supervisors that would change the way that data is collected. One thing that i believe in, and it comes from my days at carnegiemellon, until we review the data, we really dont know what the hell is going on. We rely on somebody else to interpret the data for us, but we need to start collecting data nationally. How many black men are killed at the hands of police. We need data on who is stopped and how frequently, what is the badge number and stars of the officer. We are looking for patterns of misconduct, and we can glean that out when looking at the data. So pivoting back to president obamas 21st century policy on policing, we can do that. We had 272 recommendations made to us, and that takes time. Were talking about changing not only peoples hearts and minds, band believes, but their hearts and minds. I believe that people that serve in the Police Department, Law Enforcement, the fire department, we have a calling to do good in every day peoples lives, to protect their rights. So there are good people among them and their very bad people. You know, the code of silence, of protecting those that are bad, weve got to change that also because its making all of us in Public Service look poor and unresponsive, and i think that the protesters have really nailed it. I think new york just recently passed just yesterday some legislation to increase transparency on Law Enforcement officers on their background. If youre fired from the San Francisco Police Department, why the hell should you be hired in antioch, in the Police Department . Theres always loopholes, and theres gray areas. The hon. London breed and hell say, chair cohen, a lot of the things that you were talking about, the issues around, for example, their records and other things, those are things that were implementing, those are the next steps, along with the responsibility for an officer to intervene when they see Excessive Force being used. So when you think about it, the fact that those officers in George Floyds case, hey, man, get off his neck, and the fact that they were so cavalier and passive, i just it just baffles me. Theyre hopefully going to be prosecuted, theyre hopefully going to be held accountable because theyre just as much guilty for the death of george floyd. Heres my issue the fact that any Police Officer would think what they saw is okay because its a procedure, its all in their procedures is a problem, and so i think what we are getting people to understand is you can no longer hide behind procedure. Were changing procedure, we want to see change of hearts and minds, and so this is difficult. Chair cohen in addition to changing procedure, we need to change policy, because i think policy and procedure go hand and hand. If you remember, lawyers that are defending officers that are going through the the the process of their cases being heard hide behind laws, so we as policy makers need to be cognizant and aware of that and change that. Something that shirley webbers law was predicated on what we did in San Francisco, in that when you actually pull your weapon and actually fire. Were running out of time, and i dont know if the chief wants to Say Something before i do. Ive got a fourminute hard stop. Chief . Yeah, i was just going to talk about what chair cohen was saying about the reform. The part of our reform was to work with academic researchers and partners to take that data and run with it. You know, for a lot of people, who do we associate with crime and why . As a black man, i cant tell you how many times ive walked by a car and heard the door lock. And this is im not alone. I know many people but the point is rethinking policy and what the things that we are doing to add to that association of whos a criminal, whos not, whos dangerous, we need to rethink that, too. Ill tell you, with our Police Department, were doing just that. We heard a lot of people talk about our policy on releasing looking photos, and were looking at the policy probably in the next couple of weeks, well be changing our policy on releasing booking photos. This is the benefit of working with actual scientists who know what bias is and what feeds into stereotyping and all that. How do we perpetuate that, you know, when people are asking for booking photos of certain individuals, people start associating those individuals with being dangerous which changes the whole idea of Police Officers and society in general. We need to reel that back. Thats something in the next few weeks that well be doing. Ive got to tell you, my thinking has evolved based on the data involved and some of the scientists that were working with at ucsf and cal berkeley who are all telling us the same thing. Dont perpetuate the problem with your policies, so weve got to pull some of this stuff back. Its really basic to me. Im sure all of you have experienced those types of things, as well. But we associate certain people with certain stress. The hon. London breed yeah, and chief, we have to wrap it up, so i want to give van the last word. This has been a very insightful conversation. I appreciate all that youre bringing to the table, so i want to bring it over to van for the final word. I just want to say how important this conversation is. There might be people who might be watching this who feel that hey, San Francisco might be better than it was, they might be on the right path, but theyre not where they need to be. I have homeless issues, i have Mental Health issues, i have needs that arent being met. Be encouraged. Be encouraged because i think what youre seeing is a process by which were reimagining policing and maybe reinventing policing in San Francisco, and if we can continue to expand the circle, expand the listening, listen to everybody, theres going to what we want is peaceful streets. We dont want law and order. You think of law and order, wheres the disorder . I hope youre safe. Dude, wheres the threat . We just want peaceful streets, peaceful streets, and it takes a lot to get this. Were going to have to learn some things, unlearn some things, start doing some things, stop doing some things. But if you feel this conversation hasnt come to you yet, stay on the train. Its going to get this. All these different groups that are saying hey, we want reform, it is possible if we stick together. San francisco can lead the way, like we always have done. We got some little reforms, too, but more reforms are coming. Any way i can be helpful, let me know. Thank you. The hon. London breed thank you, chair cohen, van, and chief scott. Im mayor london breed. Lets ke

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