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Thank you. Next line item. Line item 1e, commissioner announcements and scheduling of items identified for consideration. Action. Our next meeting is january 8, is that right . Thats right. January 8, 2020 at city hall room 400. All right. Next line item. The public is invited to comment online item 1a through 1e. Good evening. My name is john jones. I would like to follow up on the chairs comment that Public Comment is going to be curtailed this evening because you are all so busy. It has been my impression over the years ive attending these meetings that this commission is uniquely unresponsive to the Public Comment. Ive rarely if ever seen a commissioner ask a question about someone commenting. If you care about what they say, you ask a question about it. The most important thing to this commission is the speakers add here to the twominute limit because god forbid we dont want to waste your time. With respect to the twominute limit, i think some people come up to this podium merit more than two minutes. I particularly remember the two chinese businessmen who came a couple months ago. And in my opinion, if i merit two minutes, they merit at least five, because they had a story to tell. So a larger question on my mind is whether or not this commission individually or collectively has the accuminimum to ask a question of john q. Citizen who stands up here and asks a question or makes a statement, whether or not you have the ability to discern what that person has to say. Its a question in my mind. I give up the balance of my time. Thank you. Next speaker. Good evening. My name is adrian. Im with justice. Im here to address the shooting of a young man of color in the mission on saturday. And i would like to know if the commission would ask the chief, right now, to tell us what are the names of the officers who shot this person, because that is not confidential. Also i would like to know the name of the officer who was supposedly injured and under what circumstances was he injured, and if they will provide evidence of that moment to the public at the town hall meeting, because an article just published by Mission Local has indicated that there was a video that was viewed by Mission Local, though not published, because they didnt have permission, in which it is very clear that the person shot by these officers was being chased and in no way presented any threat, therefore this makes it an unnecessary shooting that violates also time and distance policies of this commission, which i really hope you will enforce with disciplinary action. I would also hope that the chief informs us what is the records of these officers involved in the shooting, including what type of complaints they had had, disciplinary actions, internal affairs incidents. We also hope that you will give us more information about evidence that we hear is out there, which is drone videos that have been confiscated by sfpd, cell phone Security Camera, and whether there was any body camera videos. If the names of those officers could be please given to us, that would be great. Thank you. Can you repeat what the town hall is going to be, chief scott . Yes, thank you. Tuesday at 6 00 p. M. , this coming tuesday at 6 00 p. M. At Cesar Chavez Elementary School. Thank you good evening. I went saturday to the corner and talked to the community. It was upset, disturbed and yet not surprised, sadly, by the incident. We are very concerned why if there are no charges, has the family not been allowed to be with this man who is in Critical Condition. We know when people are in Critical Condition they need love, they need care, they need to know somebody is there. No charges and not being allowed to see their family. Their family was at the press conference last night. Why . This is cruel and unusual punishment. If any of you saw the video they published of this young man, he has had a difficult childhood with a lot of drug abuse around him. They showed video of him in a recovery program. It was amazing video saying how hes learned to try to participate in society. Maybe he held back from it, we dont know. Im not going to conclude anything. But i find this so disturbing. Where was the time and distance . How come the police are saying, and they are not saying what weapon, theres implications of a bottle that no one else in the public or witnesses have concluded or said that there was a weapon involved. So we are very upset. Now, that building on the corner there is mainly filled housing for parole and probation. So those people are very afraid and could be intimidated very much by the police if they try to say what they saw. So no time or distance, no charges. Family is not allowed there. Names withheld of the Police Officers. This is not how procedure is meant to be. Using time and distance, a negotiator, we are chasing this man down the street, obviously hes having some kind of incident. This is not compassionate. Its not fair. Its wrong. And i do hope and pray that he survives this. His body was also laying naked on the dirt [off mic] thank you. Next speaker. Yes, i would like to make some comments about the shooting on saturday. Specifically regarding some of the euphemisms that have been used in the discussion of it by this panel tonight. So i keep hearing the phrase officerinvolved shooting, which to me is a bit strange because what we are really talking about here is an officer shooting a member of the public. Its not just simply involved. Okay. Lets be specific. Lets not minutes words with that. What would be a better phrase . I would like to finish first if you dont mind. It would be simple to say that the officer shot the member of the public. I dont think we need to say officerinvolved at all, really. Secondly, ive been hearing people say that the officer and the victim were both harmed, which to me also seems like euphemisms. Lets be clear that the damages were completely disproportionate on the side of the victim here, as i understand it, the officer was discharged the same day with minor head injuries, while the victim is still in the hospital in the trauma unit, still in Critical Condition from being shot in the legs three times. Thirdly, i would like to be clear that even though there are nonviolent means to disarm a person who is being violent toward the Police Officer without a firearm, without a knife, these were not used in this case apparently or if they were used, the man was still shot three times. So i think we have to be clear about these facts in the discussion. And i think the panel has so far evaded the seriousness of this incident. Thank you. Chief, im going to ask you to explain. We often use the term officer involved shooting in this commission. If you can explain to the public what that means, what that covers. Thank you, commissioner, Vice President taylor. To the public an officer involved shooting is used to describe any incident in which an officer discharges a weapon at a member of the public, intentionally discharges a member at a member of the public. Whether or not theres the person is shot or not. Thats the definition of an officerinvolved shooting. Thank you. Next speaker. Im luke moody, formerly home lessen. Im here to speak about the shooting of jamaica hanson near 23rd and cap. The people want police to hold a town hall meeting without delay. I was here in this building a week ago speaking about the frequent flouting of senate bill 1421. This is a perfect opportunity for police to comply with that law and communities demand a release of all written and video records right away. A gun was discharged in confrontation with a citizen who was unarmed. Only the Police Department say that the man was armed with a makeshift weapon. We want the body cam footage. All three cameras, Security Camera footage and the statement from the officers involved as is procedure. All items confiscated from bystanders should be documented as well. Police have had ten days from december 17th to release the date and location of a town hall as is procedure. Well, now we know the town hall is scheduled for december 17th, tuesday, 6 00 p. M. At Cesar Chavez Elementary School which is the maximum at the extent of ten days. Lets work hard to follow the law and do our homework on time. Thank you. Good evening, commissioners. If i can hand a copy of my comments, if you would be willing to take that, please. I am patty, managing attorney of the San Francisco Public Defenders Office juvenile why do you want. Im responding to the very eloquent comments of youth commissioner on the youth rights bill. That legislation was effective in april of this year. And i worked really hard on with the board of supervisors in drafting the legislation and ensuring that it passed the board of supervisors. It was unanimous and the mayor immediately signed it into law. I will say that after my training with 11sros at mission station on august 21, many questions and concerns were raised by the officers. They were worried about violating the new state and local ordinance, resulting in d. B. A. Complaints which could pose barriers to promotions and worstcase scenario, what happened in Alameda County Sheriffs Department where there was video taping of conversations between an attorney and youth, providing miranda consultation. The sheriff is prosecuted and is facing four felony charges for eavesdropping on confidential communication. So the miranda bill was enacted to ensure protections for the youth. And i remind you this ordinance was written as a result of the Police Interactions with students when a gun was discharged at the high school. And since april, we have provided 24 7 consultation for 152 youths. Of those, 27 youths, 17 were 13yearolds. Six were 12yearolds and three were 11 and yes, 1 10yearold. So the reason for the legislation, we need to move forward on [off mic] i want to give you copies of the training that i did with the s. R. O. S. You can pass that to after they continue the training just so you know, the item regarding the juvenile issue has been moved to january 8. And i have asked the chief to include you in conversation. I think youre too humble to sort of say all to list all of your achievements, but you are one of the experts in this field. You were appointed to a federal board under the Obama Administration on juvenile justice. Youve worked tirelessly in this area and have received national recognition. I think this is a great resource for the department chief to be utilizing, especially in helping train the officers so they are aware of the requirements under these new juvenile laws and provisions. And i really am going to encourage you to please have the Department Reach out to patty lee who has been, as i said, sort of Ground Breaking in this area and been doing it for a very long time, despite how young she is. Thank you. I want to say for the record too that ms. Lee and the Public Defenders Office have been working closely with d. P. A. Throughout the process and getting us to where we are today. So it hasnt been an isolated work. Weve been trying to work as collaboratively as possible to move the agenda forward as quickly as possible on this item. I wanted to make that clear. The actual district stations, the officers just want to know whats going on and to be trained properly so they can follow it. They continue to call us. Because they are receptive. They want to know. And they are very intelligent, and they want to know what it is they are supposed to do. They appreciate the help we are providing. This is not on the agenda. We will be talking about it on the eighth. We could go on and on about this. I have two other commissioners who have questions. Clarification. Were you here for the thing we continued, the juvenile issue . For item 2 that we continued . Or did you have Something Different today . I guess im confused. It was just disappointment that it wasnt Going Forward for consideration by this body, because we need it immediate. Every call that i take, i was on miranda call duty last week for a full week. The patrol officers will tell us i dont know the process, can you help me through this. So the need is immediate and urgent. The chief has heard you. So im sure hes not going to wait to start training. But weve heard you. Sorry it got continued to january. We will be back on january. I appreciate that. This will be on the agenda for that meeting. Next speaker. I wanted to ask a question. So what happened to item 2 . I wasnt aware. So, again, i was late. Why did we continue this . Madame president . I think you were here when we said but i will say it again. No, i was late but i appreciate it. This was continued at the request of the chief. And there was some apparent miscommunication and ms. Marin was not provided with a copy of the proposed changes. And so the chief wanted to make sure there was enough time. And i do not want to belabor this. It will be on january 8. So with that, again, repeating why it was taken off, and we will talk about it all. Im just seeing members from the juvenile justice community. Ms. Lee, casey lee and ms. Chan. So it seems like when the public is turning out to have a discussion, we need to respect that. And i obviously read the d. P. A. Report on this issue. Obviously theres some real problems with the bulletin as drafted. And so i just dont us to come back in january and have to plug this again because the work wasnt done. So ill move on but with the admonition that i want this done on january 8, and i want the department to really consider i thought that the d. P. A. s letter on this was very wellsupported with receipts and authority. And lets have it done on january 8. Im sorry to the people that turned out today. And i dont think that pulling things off last minute when people have come out of their busy schedules. I know they are all fulltime employees that sat here and waited and now we are saying come back in january, inconvenienced again, because we screwed up. So let me just apologize on behalf of the commission. Ill apologize on behalf of myself, not for everybody, but let me apologize for the inconvenience that the actions of the commission created. Thank you. And the chief is also i want to say the chief asked we take this off the calendar. My understanding was ms. Marion, d. P. A. , they were not provided with a copy of the proposed changes. I didnt want to have a Commission Meeting can we hear . I didnt want to have a Commission Meeting where everyone who should be at the table wouldnt be at the table with the information they needed. So chief, if you can speak to that briefly, but we continued it for that reason. I appreciate everyone for showing up. But thats the rationale. Thank you, commissioner. The letter that i received from well, the copy of the letter i received from director henderson, i think it was monday night, had some points in it that were raised. We agreed with some of them. The bottom line on this is that the policy section that was cited in the letter, which was 3. 01. 10 requires process to happen. We didnt provide a copy of the d. G. O. To d. P. A. As the policy requires. But it also required the discussion on what items that were changed. So that process, thats what we are asking to occur. We are asking to follow the d. G. O. That this commission spent a whole lot of time working on. And we plan to have that done by january 8. Thank you. Commissioner dejesus. So that was my clarification. Because paul says its more complicated than that. It was. We had challenges with the analysis as well, but yeah. A different approach interpreting the thing. And that gets us into the weeds. But thats why i responded with the letter that i did, outlining the issues and then well take it from there. The only issue that needs to be resolved . There were five issues that i think it was five. Some clarity issues. What we would like to see happen is that we sit down with d. P. A. And work this out and bring a policy hopefully that we can all agree upon to the commission. Thats what we would like to see happen. By january 8 . Whats the pinpoint person thats dealing with this . Go on. The commander ross, the commander of investigations is the point on that. It will go through director mcguires bureau. She has written directives under her umbrella. So written directives are responsible for facilitating the draft but the subject Matter Experts are various other members of the department. The commander is going to be the point on this. Does everyone think this can happen by january 8 . Yes. The last thing i would like to say is Going Forward when we have an item thats complicated and we have public thats here, we can at least discuss why its being continued so not only can all the commissioners know why but the public can know what the snag was and why its not going over. I want to say we have to stop finger pointing and move onto our agenda. I want to thank patty lee for being here. Its no surprise the Police Officers call her for advice. She did a great job when i was a young attorney. Thank you for all your hard work. You were a great prosecutor. [laughter] we work well together. Did you pay her to say that . [laughter] thank you. You look much younger than me. Shes on a roll with you today. [laughter] good evening, commissioners. Im julie. I know all of you, and its nice to see all of you and those of you who know me know im big on collaboration but we cant collaborate if we are not getting information. I want to remind you its not just the public defender. We represent 40 percent of these kids. We have seen body camera footage where officers are confused saying, wait, what was the age, when are we supposed to do it . So clearly we need to do this. But make sure we get to the table too along with patty. And then the other thing i wanted to take a few minutes to talk about was the youth commission. And i really want to thank our commissioners who are part of this for being there, who came to the meeting and spoke. The more we can involve our youth, i celebrate their voices and their role and their importance in this work. I will share with you one of the comments that the youth commissioner mentioned was the feedback they have received from the community. Williams and davis and i went out to the Community Center a year and a half ago to talk to the youth. We asked them what do you want from this Police Department. And they said unequivocally, tell them to get out of their cars and get to know us. Tell them to get out of their cars and get to know us. So i agree with them the more we can do to create those conversations among our youth and among our officers, the better off we will all be. So thank you again, and i hope we see more of our youth. Thank you. Next speaker. I would like to speak again on the tragic shooting that happened on saturday. I would like to say that someone shouldnt have to die in order to treat this with the seriousness that it deserves, even though in this case we were fortunate and the person looks like theyre going to pull through, which is incredibly lucky, despite the best efforts of the San Francisco Police Department. Its still a travesty that has occurred in this city again. And sfpd kept everyone in the dark for days after the shooting. People trying to find out what had happened, who it is it happened to, whether they made it. It took days for people to figure out on their own without any information from the San Francisco Police Department. The Police Department kept this person isolated. They couldnt see their family, couldnt see Legal Counsel which as far as i know is no justification in the law. And i think that the fact thats not being treated with a sense of urgency, the fact that this happened and is still happening, is, i think, reflects on the system that this city as a whole for supposedly Police Accountability and justice that it claims that it represents. Hello. If someone even attacked me, i dont pull out my gun and chase them through the streets while civilians are around and then shoot them eight times. Theres been a lot of talk in the in the city about deescalation. And unfortunately we dont see the cases where thats successful, right . We only see these kinds of says caseys. Its still incumbent upon sfpd to show an accurate depiction of events as soon as they know of it and not just from officers. So what we were led to believe was that so in this press release it says the officers made contact with the person matching the description, how many times have we heard that in headlines . The suspect assaulted the officers with a weapon and officerinvolved shooting occurred. Thats the most passive language ive ever heard. Its a great way to deflect responsibility. And of course, still discovering the actual turn of events. But it took us five days. And a news report and honestly a lot of media attention, to really get to the bottom of this, which was that a Police Officer were chasing someone who probably had a bottle in their hand, throughout the streets of the mission. And having the mission with use of force, not a good look, sfpd. I would like to see the board being much more straightforward and not saying this was a specific turn of events. And obviously no one should be left, especially someone my age, who is 25, should left alone to wake up in the hospital without any family or legal representation. Thanks. Can i make an additional comment given that two minutes and above were given to an agenda item that was not even on the agenda . I would like to basically mention that the police also breeched the penal code in denying access to family to the victim while he was while they yesterday, according to the criminal code, i understand that after even in custody, after 48 hours, that person must be given access to attorney and or family. The family was there for six hours. And i believe those officers need to be disciplined who denied access to jamaica hanson. Im making the d. P. A. Aware of this complaint as well. Thank you. Thank you. Any further Public Comment online on line item 1 . Good evening, everyone. I dont know what im going to say so im going to talk about my son now even though we are talking about homicide and all the killings that have been happening here and the ones that have been shot, especially the young man they are talking about now, concerning officerinvolved shooting. May i use the overhead . I brought this last week, talking about officers and violence. And im saying that because it doesnt matter who is doing it. And i want to tell those people that when they are talking about representation from family members, i wish that same things, the uproar that they are doing about officerinvolved shooting that they would do about community violence. I bring this because my son was murdered august 14, 2006. And they have the names of all the persons that shot my that were there when they murdered my son. Thomas hannibal, jason, anthony carter, marcus carter, one of them is deceased. So i walk around with my pictures all the time to let you know that we talk about these people that are the mothers and fathers. My son had a father. A mother and a father at home i bring these pictures because i want people to see what i go through and know what i go through and that young man that was shot, that young man had been murdered that his family would be here also. The pain goes both ways, whether its the police or an officer or a community person. Again, this is what they left me with. The son laying on the gurney, lifeless. This is my therapy, yall. So this is what i come and do. Thank you. Thank you, ms. Brown. I hate that we have to say this every week, but the anonymous tipline for anyone who has information about the death of your son is 415 5754444. And i look forward to the day when we no longer have to give this number. Thank you. Its definitely horrible that she has to go through that. I think one of the main situations is civilians and criminals or whatever, criminals are supposed to do criminal things. Police officers are supposed to do good things. And, you know, shooting someone eight times seems more like overmalicious intent to do grave bodily harm and possibly murder. I think im just very enraged at the way government treats its citizens. Most of the people that, when we were protesting and rioting in city hall and in the streets, most of the people on this commission are gone. I just want to remind you that you, mr. William scott, you got your position because we protest and riots to get the person who was aloof to our lots in life, our blood ran in the street, and they were aloof. We protested and riots. They are gone. The police chief with the aryan nation haircut is gone, and you are here now. I want you to consider i have a funny feeling we havent all gone to oakland. We are still here. We are still willing to defend our lives and our community. So you are just stay off the shit list. We will be seeking justice. And i litigate against the city, i get stronger. Next line item. Line item 3, discussion and possible action to adopt a resolution urging the board of supervisors to authorize the chief of police to retroactively accept and expend a grant in the amount of 298,000 from the department of Homeland Security federal Emergency Management to purchase an underwater remote operated vehicle, discussion and possible action good evening. My name is patrick. Im the chief Financial Officer for the San Francisco Police Department. Tonight we are requesting the approval of the commission for a resolution for the 2019 Port Security grant program. The actual grant is for 298,414. There is a 25 percent local match in the amount of 99,471. The grant funds will be used to purchase a video remote operated vehicle that would give our marine unit the ability to search and mitigate potential underwater threats and to help secure our Port Security and infrastructure. Our marine unit is the primary Agency Responsible for securing our Port Infrastructure and for patrolling our waters. There are no similar capable remote operated vehicles within the San Francisco bay area region. For this equipment would be stored and headquartered at our San Francisco marine unit headquarters, but it would also be made available to our other Law Enforcement partners within the San Francisco bay area as a mutualial aida set if the need arises. Mutual aid asset if the need arises. I would be happy to answer questions. Commissioner dejesus. You have to forgive my ignorance. I dont know what you are buying. [laughter] i think its a submarine but we do have staff on hand that can provide information. Yes, its a little submarine. [laughter] im a supervisor down at the marine unit. Im also the dive team supervisor. [please stand by] i have the current r. O. V. I can kind of explain what it is. It has video capability. More importantly it has sonar visibility. There is zero visibility in the bay. I dive in the bay. Unless im within sixinches of something, i cannot tell what my surroundings are. With the r. O. V. You have sonar capabilities which emits a signal and we are getting sound waves back and we are able to project an image and able to locate items as in the plane crash. And it helps us to a future line item is going to be the dive team general order. It helps us to keep divers out of the water. Inherently diving is one of the most dangerous activities you could possibly do. It doesnt matter if its a real life operation or a training operation. Theres a thousand ways that a person could have a complication underwater which could cause serious injury or death. Having the ability with an r. R. O. V. , it would give us the capabilities to work in the San Francisco bay with current. Right now the smaller version, the older version is a very proficient tool. And like a lake or a pond or Something Like that, but in the bay, as we know, there is a tidal change four times a day. So that limits our operational capabilities to about maybe 15 minutes at a time when the tides are slack. Its a great tool. If there are any questions, i can answer them. I have one more. This is more curiosity. I was looking at the price. Are we purchasing new equipment or is this military equipment . Its not military equipment. It is new equipment. It does give us the ability for example, beside recoverytype of applications, when we have fleet week we will routinely do sonar scans on piers. If theres a suspicious anomaly underwater, we have the ability to send the r. O. V. Down to take a look. If it rises to the level of higher suspicion, then we would contact the e. O. D. Dive team to go hands on with it. If we dont have to put a diver in that dangerous type of a situation, its no different than a canine or perhaps how the bomb squad has robots they will send into environments like that. Great, thank you. Thank you very much for your presentation. I too thought this was a submarine. Just so you know, commissioner dejesus has always asked to go on the marine unit and go on the boats. Shes been asking for 12 years. We can arrange it. See, making a mischristmas wish happen over here. I forgot about the boat. Right. Is it just a camera basically . Basically yes. It has a remote control. Ill just show you. Theres a camera attachment to it, so like i said, with zero visibility, the human eye can maybe see at best six to 12 inches. This would give us the ability to see three feet. But three feet, it doesnt really do us any good. The sonar is the bread and butter of the equipment. Oh, there it is. Like a little robot. Thats 300,000 . Theres attachments that go on. Theres an articulating hand that can grab onto things. So in a plane crash, we could grab on to a part of the fuselage once we located the fuselage. Prior to that, we were locating the field ladder and we were able to grab onto that and recover that. Theres a serial number so we could confirm that was the plane that crashed in the midair collision. So it is basically an underwater robot. I thought it was something you could go on. That much money. It can do multiple things. So this older generation, the technology doesnt give us the ability to remotely hold station. The new one has this has three thrusters. An up and down thruster. The new one has seven thrusters. That gives us the ability to work up to two and a half knot currents. So we can possibly work for a couple hours. So its a huge, huge advantage, and its an invaluable asset for the department and the city and the region. Any other questions . I just wanted to see it, really. Its pretty cool. Do i have a motion . Second. All in favor. Aye Public Comment . Oh, sorry. Before we move Public Comment on on line item 3 . With the department of defense so im interested in this vehicle. My question, i think it would be good to put to the commissioners is how long you envision this particular vehicle being usable and so like its life span and whether its upgradeable. Is it something thats going to have to be replaced or something you can replace in pieces . Thats a great question. The particular model we are operating with has had at least three or four upgrades in sonar technology. You are able to upgrade it. So the useful life span on this is going to be well over ten years, if not longer. I mean, the biggest advantage from this particular the newer model is the ability to work in current. And as you know, the bay, with the current, if youve ever been in a river, thats what the bay is like four times a day when the current is coming in and going out. All right. Thank you very much. So no other Public Comment . Lets vote. All in favor. Aye. Passes. That was unanimous. All opposed . The motion passes. Next line item line item 4, discussion and possible action to approve revised department general order 6. 03, underwater diving operations, for purposes of engaging in the meet and confer process with the Police Officers association, discussion and possible action. Good evening, commissioners. Chief scott and director henderson. Im jason sawyer, lieutenant at northern station, coming here to talk about the general order, revising for underwater diving operations. We currently have a general order, 6. 03 which we are seeking to replace the prior general order, it goes back to at least 1999. There have been no revisions since then. If you review the prior general order, virtually none of it other than the concept of water applies today. The old system has virtually no its a page and a half where our divers used to use their own equipment. There was no real chain of command or any type of medical protocol. Ive been diving for over 30 years. Many of the years with the department. And i wish Something Like this would have been revised for all the time ive spent in the water. This goes very well hand in hand with what the sergeant was speaking about regarding the r. O. V. And the concept of there are so many ways a diver can get injured in black water or overhead diving. This new general order at least laze out a general policy qualifications, training, medical requirements, the personnel, basically who is in charge, the equipment, again, which is now purchased and maintained through the Police Department. We have so much highquality equipment now and spelledout dive operations. And one of the key advances that ive noticed in my time with the dive unit is go back 20 years ago, we did not have a very robust marine unit. The marine unit and dive unit were separate units. Now our marine unit is extremely robust, one of the best on the west coast. Our dive unit and qualifications of our divers is also the same. If you go back to one of our most famous incidents with scott peterson, if you remember, and lacey peterson, i was one of the primary divers in that incident, and we were not consulted initially, but the other departments did not have the capabilities of doing the dive. We were consulted, and we went down instead. Many days of time in the water to ultimately find and locate lacey peterson. Because our unit is so robust, we are called upon by many other outside agencies, both in San Francisco and outside of San Francisco just because of the capabilities of our divers. We ask that we can just get some type of policy put in place to help protect the divers and the department. Does anybody have any questions . No questions from commissioners . Move to adopt. Second. Thank you for what you do. Getting in those waters i can tell you, its a lot different than going to cozumel. Any Public Comments before we move for a vote . I dont see anyone. All right. Want to vote . All in favor . Aye. Anyone opposed . All right. The motion passes. You get to play with the mini submarine too . I tell you what, we used a piece of equipment like that in locating lacey peterson. It was phenomenal because like the sergeant alluded to, instead of having us down there, if we were trying to search an area the size of this room, it would take days. Like you are on your hands and knees crawling, because you have no visibility. To use a piece of equipment like that while the divers sit on topside is a tremendous asset as opposed to you drop a diver in, they stay in 30 minutes, they are cold, they have to stay out of the water for a certain amount of time. By the time you come out your core temperature has dropped so much and you have to come back the next day. Its an incredible amount of divers you can put in. It takes time when but it saves the fatigue on the divers. One last question about the equipment. What happens with the old piece of equipment . Do we utilize it for training . No, you cant have it. Do we use it in conjunction so we can send one out . You cant afford that. Optimally it would go to an inland agency that can use it because it still has a usable life. So whatever the procedures and protocols would be, ideally, if we could transfer it to an inland agency that doesnt have the current issue. The time ive been down there, weve gone from mutual aid as far up to lake shasta to assist them with drowning victims because it is hundreds of feet deep. We can send a piece of equipment down. And theres almost zero risk other than maybe an entanglement hazard. But hopefully we can give it away to somebody, whatever the policies and procedures would be. That was more of the question. In lieu of the question that phil asked, also ensuring that as it is an investment that we really get the entire life span of it. And it was purchased through grants funds as well when we did receive it. All right, cool. Free federal money. Thank you for your time. Next line item. Line item 5, general Public Comment. Public is now welcome to address the Commission Regarding items that do not appear on tonights agenda but that are within the subject matter jurisdiction of the commission. Speakers shall address their remarks to the commission as a whole and not to individual commissioners or department or d. P. A. Personnel. Under Police Commissioner rules of order, during Public Comment, Neither Police or d. P. A. Personnel nor commissioners are required to respond to questions presented by the public but may provide a brief response. Individual commissioners, the police and d. P. A. Personnel should refrain from entering into any debates or discussion with speakers during Public Comment. Good evening, commissioners. Chief scott, director henderson, im deputy public defender brian cox. Im here to raise two points related to sb1421 records they have a legal mandate to produce. I would like to thank the Commission Commission for its wisdom in asking both departments to report on the progress of complying. I think thats a great idea and is going to help add clarity to our process. The first point i want to raise is about tracking mechanisms. D. P. A. Has created a tracking mechanism as new complaints and investigations occur. We havent heard from sfpd on whether it plans to do the same. As we heard last week, identifying and locating these records can be challenging. Some of that problem could be helped by creating a mechanism to immediately identify new sb1421 records as they are created by the departments. The departments should make their systems operational as quickly as possible, even if the Technological Infrastructure is currently in development. With as much transparency as possible to save time and effort later on. My second point is about ongoing public incidents. Both departments should publish sb1421 records with new incidents without waiting for a request. Publishing on a online database can streamline disclosure. The public should hear more about both processes in the database departments intend to build. These two common sense procedures that will make future sb1421 efforts faster and make sure the public gets what it is entitled to. The public should encourage the departments to create the tracking mechanism and release new public incidents on their own. Thank you. Thank you. Next speaker. My name is sean jones. My it please the commission, i wanted to tell you that i really wanted to hear out hear what the woman in the gray sweater had to say earlier this evening. The fact that she was told to sit down and shut up was rude. I think its an abuse of discretion not to grant her an additional minute or two to complete her thoughts. Think if you will, for a minute, how that incident would play out if put on tv in moscow. What would they think of the Great American democracy if they see citizens treated like that . I ask you, just think about it. Sir, i have a question. Who was told to sit down and shut up. I dont recall that happening tonight. Im sorry . Who was told to sit down and shut up. Thats what you do. What does that say . Sit down and shut up. All you had to say, not addressing you personally, madame Vice President , but all you had to say was take another minute, we want to hear what you have to say. This commission never does that. Its always, we are going to listen to you because we have to and we are going to get on to the more interesting stuff later. Thats what it looks like. Call me wrong. I could be wrong. But its terrible. Its just bad theater. People come up here because they want to be heard. Its scary to talk in public. You are not dealing with people who have the skills to organize complex thoughts into a two twominute presentation. Thats difficult to do, to develop over time. So what im telling you is you want to know why people dont come . Thats a reason. Thank you very much. Good evening again. I wanted to say thank you for mentioning the anonymous number that you do every time i come here. I need that. I need it to be continued. I know its repetitive and i keep saying it. I feel the same way when i come here every wednesday that im just saying the same thing over and over and over again, but i need to do this for myself. Its not for anybody, its for myself. And i do want the public and sf gov television to see this and to know that im hurting and that im in pain. I bring my granddaughter with me when we should be at home studying, but im not. We study but not like we should. But i wanted to thank you guys for and please continue to say that number. And im hoping that if you are no longer here, the next person will say it and the next person will say it until i get justice for my son. So thank you. Thank you so much. 415475444. Is there any additional june Public Comment . She doesnt have your skills yet. All right. Sorry. It happens. Good evening. Im wondering when and where will the information be posted regarding the meeting regarding what evidence shes going to produce about the shooting, like when and where will that be at and where will you post it . Do you want to again this coming tuesday at 6 00 p. M. On Cesar Chavez Elementary School. If there are any changes where can people find that information . On the website. Well also post it publicly. [please stand by] closed session including Public Comment on items a seven. Vote whether to hold item eight in closed session. Is there any Public Comment online item eight moving into line item seven, moving into closed session . No Public Comment. Vote on whether or not to move into closed session . Second. All in favor . Aye. Before we go into closed session, i would like to vote on whether to invoke the attorney and client privilege for those items as well. Is there a motion . So moved. Item nine, vote to elect whether to disclose what was discussed in closed session. Aye. Is anyone for adjournment . Aye