Whether to invoke the attorney and client privilege for those items as well. Is there a motion . So moved. Item nine, vote to elect whether to disclose what was discussed in closed session. Aye. Is anyone for adjournment . Aye. Can i have a motion and a second, please . Second. Aye. [laughter] [pledge of allegiance] clerk this is a reminder to silence all electronic devices. Fire Commission Regular meeting wednesday, december 11, 2019, and the time is 9 01. Roll call. [roll call] clerk item 2, general Public Comment. Members of the public may address the commission for up to three minutes on any matter within the commissions jurisdiction and does not appear on the agenda. Speakers shall address their remarks to the commission as a whole and not to individual commissioners or personnel. Commissioners are not to comment on comments by the speaker. The lack of comment does not necessarily constitute agreement with or support of statements made during Public Comment. President nakajo thank you very much, madam secretary. At this time, is there any member of the public that wishes to give Public Comment . If any member of the public wishes to give Public Comment, please approach the podium at this time. Seeing that theres no one from the public who wishes to give Public Comment, Public Comment is closed. Madam secretary. Clerk item 3, approval of the minutes. Discussion and possible action to approve the november 30, 2019 meeting minutes. President nakajo thank you, madam secretary. On the item, item 3, approval of the minutes, is there any Public Comment on this item . Seeing none from the public, Public Comment at this point is closed. Commissioners . Commissioner verones. Commissioner hardeman so moved, mr. President. Commissioner veronese second. President nakajo there is a motion by commissioner hardeman, second by commissioner veronese. The minutes are approved. [gavel]. President nakajo madam secretary. Item 4, fire directors report. President nakajo thank you very much, madam secretary. On item 4, as tradition, chief of the department will report first, and then deputy chief will report second. Good morning, chief nicholson. Good morning, mr. President , commissioners, maureen, command staff, and that includes the folks not in uniform, by the way. Chief jeanine nicholson. This is my report since november 13. Its going to be a minute longer than it usually is because we have a few more things than we did. November 15, i set up a meeting with the head of d. E. M. , mary ellen car ellen carroll, and the head of p. D. , chief scott, to collaborate on issues, whether its dispatch, training, and other challenges and opportunities that we can work on together. So we are going to be having quarterly meetings where we can, you know, work on things together. The Retirement Ceremony, thank you to the commissioners for coming to that. About 40 people, and it was very well received by those that came. They were very appreciative. On the 19th of november, we had labor management. Things are moving along there. On the 21st, i attended, as well as i believe c. D. 2 and c. D. 3 went to the toys Opening Event at the newhall hall, 798 hall, so they had a big open day event that i stopped by that evening. That evening, there was an American Legion annual 456 annual awards. Three firefighters were awarded for a rescue that they made of an elderly woman off her balcony and another for all his community service. We did the bump up badge pinning at Treasure Island. Approximately is it 15 . 16 members bumped up to paramedic. On the 25th, we started well, i guess we didnt start, but we continued our budget preparation meetings, and were really trying to distill down our priorities, and we also had a meeting yesterday, myself and mark corso and chief velo and olivia scanlon, and we believe were getting direction from mayor breed next week, so well keep you posted on that. The command staff participated in a turkey carving event at the salvation army, and that was that was good fun. We beat the police. We carved more turkeys than they did, so strong work, command staff. And then, on the thanksgiving, i was with the mayor at glide, carving turkey and then selfhelp for the elderly in the afternoon. The nob hill Firefighter Association gave an award as they do each year, and this year, it was raymond ng from station 41. He is as conscientious as they come, so it was really nice to give him that award. Several of us were at s. F. O. The other day where a 40,000 check was presented to tony stefani for the s. F. O. Work for the charity golf tournament, so that was super generous to that foundation. I spoke at the Hotel Council lunch and toy drive on the 6th. On the 7th, santa claus visited station 49, as did i. And then, just for some updates, the Firefighter Youth Academy funds that we were talking about have been transferred, so thats good to go. Then speaking with a couple of employee groups about the opportunities for all and expanding that, this past year, we had three High School Kids working at station 49 and one working at nert during the summer, so were looking to see if we can expand that. We have other places to expand that next year. Yesterday, i met with chief tangerlini and a physician and some staff from ucsf to talk about doing research, doing training, and and the ability for our members, particularly our paramedics and e. M. T. S to get feedback on calls that they went on, which would be a great learning tool. We released a social media policy, which i want to thank chief wyrsch and chief velo for working on that. It was a big deal to get that out, so we are happy to make adjustments if need be, but we really needed to get that out. As you already may know, doctor terrazas resigned, and we will be advertising that position hopefully within the next week. We just need the commissions need back on the Job Announcement as we sent to you, so ill make sure to send it again if you dont have it because technically the commission is responsible for overseeing that. And then, father greene, just to put this on your calendar, his Farewell Party is june 20 at moscone center. There will be a few people in attendance, but there will also be a smaller luncheon that i think im going to attend. Commissioner hardeman do you mean january 6 . June. Commissioner hardeman june. Were giving you some time because this is an important day. This is important because this man has been so good to us for so many years, but therell also be a luncheon. And then, i just want to say, i sat down with a member who was one of our members who was diagnosed with brain cancer. Last week, i sat down with him. Hes been going through treatment. Hes gone through radiation and chemo, and he has three small kids, and hes also a veteran. And while i want to wish everyone a happy and healthy holiday season, id like us all to take a moment out of our days and, you know, think a good thought or say a prayer or, you know, reach out to someone whos going through a difficult time, and that concludes my report for today. Thank you. President nakajo thank you very much, chief nicholson. At this time, i will ask for Public Comment on chief nicholsons report. Any member of the public wishes to give Public Comment at this point, please approach the podium . Seeing none, Public Comment is closed. Commissioners, any questions or comments for the chief . Commissioner hardeman . Commissioner hardeman yeah yes, president nakajo, just real quick. Im glad to see, chief, that youre doing the hardest part of the job, which is taking your time away and having to go to all the ceremonial but for the general public and support of the Fire Department may be the most department because having the fire chief round is always a good thing. I know its hard on you. Youd rather be doing a lot of other things its part of the job i signed up for. Commissioner hardeman thank you for your service. Thank you very much. Thank you. President nakajo thank you very much, commissioner hardeman. Madam secretary, could you please note that commissioner cleaveland thats joined us for has joined us for a full quorum. Commissioners . Vice president covington, please. Commissioner covington thank you, mr. President. Thank you, chief, for prompting all of us to continue to fight the good fight and keep the member of the department who has brain cancer in our minds as well as other people who may be in need, so thank you for that. Youve been very, very busy, and i just wanted to remark that i thought that the Retirement Ceremony was joyful and just a good time, you know . It was like old home week, you know, people returning to headquarters and looking so well rested in their retirement, and to meet some of their family members. I think its wonderful that we have this event every other year, and so its a good tradition for us to have. The toys excuse me. The toy events that have been happening allaround town, since we have a lot of people who watch our meetings on sfgovtv, are there particular places that you can point out that people might be able to bring toys, you know, because theyre just beginning to do their Christmas Shopping . Is there a dropoff point . So i dont have a list. 798 would have that. If anybody else knows commissioner covington it can be any fire house . It can be at any fire house commissioner covington can it be at any fire house . Absolutely. It can be at any fire house, but there are events at city hall, as well. Commissioner covington well, for those of you out there, please go to your local fire house and give a toy for kids. We would appreciate that. All right. And lets see. A lot of commendations for everyone at the department. A congratulations to everyone in that for their part work this past month. And the new department physician, we understand that job has been posted. Not yet. Commissioner covington not yet . So the job will be posted very soon, and we will have someone very, very good coming in to take dr. Terrazas place after his resignation. And june 20 for father greene, yes. Thats a nice long notice, and moscone center, i agree with you, its probably going to be full, and im surprised its not being held at the chase center. I thank you for your report, chief. President nakajo thank you very much, Vice President covington. At this point, if theres no other commissioners, im just going to ask the question, chief nicholson, you made a comment in terms of the comment for Job Description. We have that description in our packet. Youre asking for comments and questions by commissioners. In terms of this, is there a suggested due date that the commissioners should respond back to you so we can get this process post inded . Wed love to get it this week, if possible, yeah. We want to get it right, but were also looking forward to any possibilities. President nakajo okay. So my question then, and my request to the commissioners is please review this Job Description as requested by the chief. If theres some feedback that you can give the chief by friday of this week, it would be timely. And then, just in terms of a comment, since the Physicians Office has been vacant, what is the process of operation at this time and how is it going with that . Concern over losing any type of responsibility. Yeah. If i could have someone come up and just explain the process. President nakajo thank you, chief. I know we have a capable nurse thats within the department, but just trying not to lose any momentum or responsibility to the membership services, doctor. Absolutely. Good morning, president nakajo, chief. As you mentioned, we are were currently focusing on making sure theres no interruption of service. Stephanie phelps, nurse practitioner, is continuing to see members. Additionally, we are referring people out if theres more complex needs, so theres currently being met. I have a strong belief, and ive communicated that to the chief as well as chief ajello, that thats communicated, and we have a robust Physicians Office that can support the department, so i think a Job Description for the department would be very, very helpful. Im currently serving as the assistant physician for supervisor phelps, and then we have the San Francisco general Occupational Health to refer patients as well as some of the outside Occupational Health clinics. President nakajo thank you very much for that update, doctor. Again, thank you for talking about not losing any of the services that we renders within that point of information. It is the responsibility and the jurisdiction of this commission on the physicians department, as well as we talked to the chief on the requirements of the candidates. We have a great opportunity at this point. Thank you for that comment, as well. At this point, i dont have any other questions for you, chief nicholson. Commissioner alioto veronese . Commissioner veronese thank you, commissioner. I apologize for the late jumpin, but i wasnt going to say anything, but i think this is really important. This is a position that we all know is critical to this department. Itll be interesting to see over this time period of new hire how impacted this office is with with the physician missing, but doctor, as we spoke before, its really important that were not clinicians up here, were not doctors. Our Knowledge Base is limited as to exactly what this department needs, so your input is also greatly appreciated in the job application description. Its really important. Im curious, mr. President , to what our ability is to actually recruit specific people as opposed to for such a critical position as opposed to just taking from a list of the willing who apply. I know that ive served on commissions before where weve put together a task force of sorts im not saying its needed but to actually go out and recruit other people perhaps away from other departments or other jobs. This is a critical job to this department, to the mission of the department to take care of its own people, so i think we should be doing Everything Possible in the fastest way possible to get somebody in this position, so thats all i have to say to that. President nakajo thank you very much for that comment, and im going to ask the chief of the department to respond to your question and concern, which is duly noted. Commissioner chief nicholson, would you like to respond to the commissioner . So respond to the president nakajo the question on the robust recruitment and can we yeah. So weve had a lot of inquiry already from people, and weve had some referrals already, so were actually feeling pretty good right now, and but yeah, we will were looking at that internally in terms of where to post it, as we did with the grant writer, and so were hoping to postit in the next week. President nakajo commissioner, any other comments in terms of commissioner veronese well, in terms of referrals, thats great. Its a Small Community of doctors here in San Francisco, so anybody we can refer, recruit, to get them into this process would be great, and we know the departments going to be working hard on it, but outside of our own resources, people in this world, it would be great to get the word out to them, a great job and a great department. A lot of good stuff to be done here. President nakajo thank you very much, commissioner alioto veronese. Thank you very much, chief nicholson. At this time, can we call up chief velo for his report . Good morning president , Vice President , commissioners. This is my october 19 report. Seems the Holiday Schedule has kind of, you know, thrown things so i will report in for november and december on my jo january reports, so i wasnt here for the last meeting, so its been a while. Groups and committees, continue to attend many meetings and committees. I want to show you the report, and its right after the fleet data page i put for you, a sample of one of the committees thats working on a project, the work group. I put the charter of the work group in that report. Just an example of how professional this looks, how dedicated these folks are to make sure all the responsibilities that theyre working on align with our plan. Its on page 34 and 35 of your report and 36. Just an example of how they are working, organizing what theyre working on, how theyre going to review president nakajo chief velo, are you going to be putting that report up on the screen . No, its just the three pages of the report. Im meeting with the accident committee, reviewing the accident policy. Its been a long time since we reviewed that. I attended the meeting of the Behavioral Health committee, as well, too, and also policies and procedures where were advising our rules and regulations, so were working on that, as well. Working with the chief on staff 2020, working on whats coming up for staff next year, and training thats coming up. We turn in all the fire requirements, e. M. S. Requirements, priorities, and go from there. I wasnt at the last meetings. I was at a labor and Management Committee at the state Controllers Office and the state association of firefighters. What it does, the apprentice program, it gives money back to the department. So every year, first year members year on the job, we get 2. 25 an hour back. Also, social media was a big topic. Conference on that, so that was very helpful to be there. Timely conversation, president nakajo, about the interim plan with officials yesterday, and just like dr. Ng expressed, were moving forward. We have a department of Occupational Health at San Francisco general that will see patients, so we have that going forward, too. I attended a health check presentation at u. C. Davis. U. C. Davis Fire Department has been very Progressive Health check in how theyre doing it. They have a company that they use to do scans, and they do it every year. They have an agreement with their local that all the information, its personal to individuals, and they have to go to the doctor, to their own private physician, and the department will get aggregate data to analyze the information that the department has, then they can push that through programs in the department. Were looking at that process if it works for us. Right now, contra caosta and u. C. Davis are the only departments that do it. Were just looking at options for us to bring back the health check, and we have another meeting coming up in january with our Labor Department for that group, too. I met with the i. S. O. Inspector and insurance inspector that rates us on several things. Were again rated number one, so a class 1 rating for our department. The information has come back before we had some things to do, to cleanup and bring it back to the inspector. And once were done with that, we take that to the chief and the mayor. Once were done, we expect to be a class 1 again, which is good because if you are a class 1, your insurance rates go down for the city. We a [inaudible] kind of management approach management, timeline management. And one of the two projects that were working on right now is our revision of our s. O. P. S and manuals that were working on, next year to have then revised and completed. We have several other projects that were working on. Basically, we want this person to come in, work at headquarters, work on projects versus just fire house stuff, learn how to work on the management side of things and then come back and have a more rounded background when they promote to higher positions and come out to the command staff, so its good thing for the chief to bring those positions back here. As you know, we have a 26 academy. We have 51 recruits remaining. One of them failed the m. S. Portion of it. Two resigned due to injury, and two have failed on efficiencies. One of them returned to station 49, so were down from 51 to 46. Last month, on october 2, in service training. We had rope rescue and confined service classes. This week, were having pg e members come in and help us understand pg e, pacific gas and electric and understand their equipment, and our citizens, too, and then, we put them through training. I know we saw you last time, we had the yearly drill in october, but we also delivered another it was the foursession all in spanish to the community. Its a lite i call it lite version of nert. Many families bring their kids because they dont have a way to babysit, so they learn life skills, shut off electric, water, fire extinguisher, something they can definitely use in their community and help each other. So that was the last one that we held at divisional training. Bureau of division and planning, they had a vacancy list on november 7. And along with that and the new tours, well be moving around midjanuary, and now were going through the vacation selection process. And this is the first time i report on this, so the new health and safety wellness chief, whos here. I included that report her report on the my report, and i will be doing that from now on, so you have information on what the chief is working on and the department is working on. Some information from her. Were able to identify some training for our members, and we have one thats going in january to a weeklong class how to deal with these issues so we can make the case for increasing our staff in this unit. We identify the last report i showed you the stats of injuries that we had. Some of the stats we had were stepping up the apparatus, so were working on proper techniques to step off on the apparatus for fewer injuries. Were working with sfpd with deescalation training. Its a program that they have, and then, were going to have context with them. They give us the training, and were going to adapt to our members. We have concerns about violence to our members in the field, especially at station 49, so they have some issues. So we identified some techniques that we can probably use to deescalate the situation, zso were going to o forward with that, training of 40 hours, bring them back, create a curriculum for us thats specially for our folks, and station 49, too. Were working with the spca for animal visits at the fire house, and i think the first visit is tomorrow at 4 30. Were going to have animal companion visits at station 49 and go from there. Spca, yeah. Support services, you wont recognize it, station 35, but all the piles are removed there. Everything is to be on track. Station 49, latest pictures of 49, we have a concrete floor on the fourth floor. All interior walls and exterior framing have been completed and actually were working on the ducts on the first floor and second floor, and its moving right along to schedule in anticipation of completion next winter, next fall. Apparatus updates. The host and specs have been completed. Currently, o. C. A. , theyre supposed to go out to bid this month. Hopefully, thats the case and they go out to bid and start getting some vendors that start the bids. We have some engines that have been ordered in the preconstruction process. Were identifying some things that the staff eidentified tha had to be corrected. Once we get that, were good to go. Mobile air, we finally the vendor finally found a chassis that will work for them, so its peterbilt, so now were moving forward on the motors, too. On december 17, we have a demonstration for all electric engines on the d. O. T. Technology is always were always looking at new technology to see if it meets our needs. If not, but we have a vendor coming in december 17 to show us. And last month, station 17 received their brandnew engine. They were very happy to see that, so my first meeting here, i provided you with the stats of our apparatus, and i included on your report on page lets see. Page 33, 34, and 35 34, an updated chart with our apparatus. So i have the pie charts here, and what you see here is that were moving forward, we get new rigs. Were still behind, and were asking for those updates in the budget. We have five hose extenders there, and a light unit, and a p. C. O. Unit. Were looking at different models for that, and were looking at having the fleet become more green, yellow, than red. So this is an update from last time, but im going to continue bringing this to you every six months, the update on the fleet and the status. Here you have, a pie chart, all apparatus engines and trucks. Obviously, we have a need mormore trucks, so that will make need for more trucks so that will make our comments and numbers much better. We continue to work with high schools, learning all kinds of skills. We hope that program is a model that we can incorporate into other schools in the district and make a way to come into the department with some preexperience with that, too. Very excited about that. International high school and also at three rivers in october, but we had a booth there, too. Chief mentioned the turkey carving that we did and yes, we did, we beat p. D. On that by a lot. And then true, thats true, commissioners. Were used to the kitchen. Also, we had a chief and i visited the troops and then went to the kincade fire. It was good to support our neighbors to the north and it was interesting to be there in the camp with members not just in the state but out of state, as well, too. This finishes my report. Chief cochran is going to give you an update. If you have any questions or you want to wait until after the drone update, up to you. President nakajo commissioners, i think well take that update at this particular point, and then, we can ask our questions. Chief cochran, welcome. Good morning to you. Good morning, mr. President , commissioners, chief nicholson. Chief cochran, on the drone update, the work begins operationally on training. We want to get the most members trained to cover the city on a daytoday basis. The general order went out on november 1 looking for members of the department that want to become pilots that arent on specialized groups. Weve got 14 members approved by the deputy. Now weve got to find a Training Program and a school. Weve identified one, the costs associated with it. Make sure theyre a city vendor, awaiting approval with that. Now weve submitted the fire service drone. O. C. A. Kicked it back and said you cant give a specific model number, you have to write your own specs. Internally, m. I. S. Helped me, we got those specs written, and as of today, the drone is not posted on o. C. A. Yet. Thats the latest update, but were moving forward. President nakajo all right. Thank you very much, chief c cochran. Were going to forward you still have your report to go through, chief velo. Im going to ask for Public Comment, but if you could both remain so the members can ask questions on that as well as chief velos report. At this point, im going to ask if theres any Public Comment on the public report from chief velo. Seeing no Public Comments, im going to ask the commissioners if they have any comments or questions. Commissioner alioto veronese . Commissioner veronese chief, on the drone stuff, you identified a drone you want to purchase, and it is currently being posted with the city agency that requested bids for these things . How does this work . Yes. This is from mark corso whos been coaching me on this. Because its been grant funded, and researched far and wide, the specific drone we want, lights, cameras, batteries, we submitted a specific model. Apparently it has to be, ill say vanilla, just the specs, and then, it does go to open bid. Im not exactly sure how many days, so we had to rewrite the specs and resubmit, and its not posted as of this morning. So basically, people its like a request for proposal youre putting out, basically for people to submit Drone Companies to come in and say yeah, we have this drone, and this is what it costs. Is that the idea . And how long does it take . Because that sounds like an entirely new process as opposed to a Single Source process, this is the type of drone we need, which is sounds like what you did. These are the specifications, this is the drone we want it looks like mr. Corso yes, sir. Im going to have to refer to c. F. O. On that. Absolutely. Good morning, commissioners. Mark corso, finance and planning. Due to it being a department of Homeland Security grant, we cant Single Source it out. As chief cochran had mentioned, we had thoroughly reviewed the specs to make sure we had everything we need, but we are turning it over today. It will be posted its not like construction or r. F. P. Vendors can sell drones with their model and their pricing, and can be rather pretty straightforward. We want to ensure in our specifications that the equipment thats being submitted meets our needs, and so thats why its taken a little longer for a thorough review of the specs. Commissioner veronese once its submitted do we anticipate purchasing a drone in the next few months . Six months . A year . Oh, yes. The next few months. Its a fairly straightforward. Theres very minor contracting or anything like that thats required, so its a pretty straightforward commodity purchase there. Commissioner veronese assuming theyre a city vendor. Correct. Commissioner veronese if theyre not a city vendor, theres a process to make them a scity vendor . Absolutely. A theyre given an amount of time to say if youre interested in pursuing this process, you have an opportunity to become a city vendor, and if not, were going to move on. Commissioner veronese thank you. And then on the training courses, youve identified 14 individuals that have been approved to take this course. Is this a course thats going to happen in the next month . Two months . Six months . A year . So actually, we have identified a school that is in Treasure Island that can do that. So within the next month, we expect to start training these folks. Commissioner veronese so how long is the course . So its to prepare for the f. A. A. Course, its two days. 16 hours of study and then homework. Then you get sent to the local airport to get your f. A. A. License. Two more days of flying because we want people to practice. Thats daytime flights, nighttime flights and a specialized course which they have to pass, then theyre licensed. Commissioner veronese okay. So putting these two processes together, are we going to have a drone flying in this department by the end of january . First quarter of next year for sure. Commissioner veronese First Quarter of next year. Okay. Thank you, chief cochran. Thank you, sir. Commissioner veronese i had a question in regards to the mobile Health Care Unit thats been deployed in the tenderloin by the haightashbury free clinic. Have we seen that has affected in a positive way our call volumes or our response times . We know that thats an affected model . Ill refer to dr. Ng for that one. Hello again. So the units that youre referring to, commissioner remember owe nie veronese is the healthright 360. Theyre not currently receiving volume from the 911 system, so were not for instance, 911 ambulance are not delivering patients to this clinic, so it doesnt have that sort of an impact. On the other hand, their mission, as i understand it, is to provide better access for primary care, so thats another access for patients in that area who dont have access to another clinic that they can go to. If that would prevent a person from requiring 911 services, that would be a benefit to us. But to answer your question, we dont strictly monitor the influence of that particular unit. Specifically anecdotally, i dont think were seeing an impact on that. Its not for patients that are seeking emergency access, its to provide non911 services to people. Commissioner veronese thank you. You brought up an interesting point. Id be curious to know how many of our calls require a hospital vist visit as opposed to you know, you require a hospital visit, and then, those calls that should require some sort of a physician but not an ambulance ride, for example, and you think this type of clinic could serve those types of people. Im wondering if the department is looking at those numbers and determining whether or not a mobile Health Care Unit like this would be useful to the department, especially now that were getting into budget cycles and stuff. And it seems to me as though the Mayors Office im just hallucinating on this, but the Mayors Office and the Budget Office would look favorably on doing Something Like this. Now im going to say this is not our job, but like e. M. S. 6, if we can create units that help us down the line, then maybe this is something we should be looking at. But we cant answer that question until we know whether or not this type of service will positively affect the type of service that we provide to the citizens of San Francisco. So maybe theres still some questions to be answered on that, but i do think its something we should look at and be prepared during this budget cycle to perhaps ask for money for or for that matter, if we dont do that, and we know its going to positively help us and provide services to the city, then maybe this is something we should be asking the department to step up to the plate and actually do. So if i can respond, i agree. I think its a concept definitely worthy of exploration. I think its also good that were developing a need that can be met and its compatible with our mission and also an operational and regulatory environment, but indeed, if its something that can help the patients that we serve, its definitely worth exploring. Commissioner veronese well, i ask the department to be ready to answer those questions before we get into the budget cycle, but as soon as possible so we dont find ourselves in a position of providing those services, which we do already, in an unfunded way, which we already do, which is causing more stress to those in station 49. So thank you. President nakajo chief nicholson, so you had input on a couple of things . Yes. So this is definitely something that weve been talking out, looking into on the budget and all that. Ive had quite a few conversations with the doctor and a couple of chiefs about the model that we could use out there. So ive asked the doctor to do a couple of ride alongs with chief pang to see if theres looking at are there other ways to address this, whats effective and whats not . I know its been effective to have psych nurses riding along with e. M. S. 6, psych nurses from d. P. H. , so i know thats been done. I also know were having a Community Paramedicine class either in january or february. Once our test captain list comes out, were going to have people take that class, and they will be part of this you know, this program, whatever kind of expansion were going to do, and yeah. I mean, weve thought about, is it would it be successful to have to bring, you know, one of our sprinters out to turk and taylor and set up shop with, you know, a physician, social worker, like i dont know. So were were looking at all sorts of different ways to address it, and it is top priority, so commissioner veronese thank you, chief, for working on that. Chief, if you could address i know the sirens went offline, and there was some social media about it. Are those offline for the next two years while theyre working on that . Theres going to be no siren system for the next two years . That is correct. Theyre technology from i want to say the 50s, and basically anybody could hack into them at any time is what we found over the past year or two what the d. E. M. Found, and so they needed to be they need to be upgraded and taken offline, so yes. Theres 100 and i cant remember how many of them, 120 of them or Something Like that, so yes, they all need to be upgraded. Commissioner veronese and if you could reassure the public, which is true, theres other technologies that were using where in theres some sort of emergency where those would be deployed, that theyll get notice. Absolutely, there are. Theres sf alert, theres push notification on other peoples phones, and there is a way for the city to to push out notifications like they do now with with flooding in different areas or the like, so commissioner veronese okay. Thank you, chief. Appreciate it. President nakajo thank you very much, commissioner alioto veronese. That concludes your questions at this point. Commissioner hardeman . Commissioner hardeman yeah, real quick, president nakajo, i read that article in the paper that commissioner veronese is referring to. That article existed because glide could no longer staff in their facility what were doing in the mobile unit right now, so thats why that facility exists. But it sounds like theyre doing very, very minor stuff. Didnt seem like there was any narcan being administered or anything like that. They referred to it as minor cuts, things like that. It seems like a very insignificant number of people that have been served, at least elicited in the papers. It seems like it would be a very nice thing to have in San Francisco not criticizing it, but just repeating what i read in the article. It was a good article. Its nice to see people being helped if they needed. I only turned the mic onto thank you again because pie charts and graphics and photos are, you know, like 10,000 words or a thousand words, like you say so, especially in your report. So thank you. Thank you, commissioner hardeman. President nakajo thank you very much, commissioner hardeman. Commissioner covington . Commissioner covington thank you very much, chief. Your report is very organized. I do appreciate the organization of the report. Its very good to see this. I just had some questions regarding the ageing fleet of the department. I guess that wrote be on page 33, the page thats not numbered. Mmhmm. Yep. Commissioner covington so i see that this is all brokendown into apparatus that is one to five years old, five to 15 years old, 15 to 25 years, and more than 25 years. How do you prioritize what needs to be replaced . Because a long time we had a fleet plan, and then, we didnt have a fleet plan, and we need funding for that, but these numbers are still high. Its still high. Its going to take us a while to get from the hole we were a few years ago. A plan was drafted last year, and were following the plan. Were still behind. Its going to take some funding from city hall and supervisors to help us get to where we are, so were going to advocate for that in the next budget cycle. Were drafting a new plan to make sure our needs are met. One of the things thats going to help us is the hostings thats coming in. Those are just specialized units are used rarely infrequently. We might not need a whole unit or truck. It might be a trailer that we can attach to a pick up truck. So were looking at things that are in the market that are more cost efficient, more effective for us. Commissioner covington before you leave the hose tenders, there are five hose tenders here, one, two, three, four, five. Yes, mmhmm. Commissioner covington so five hose tenders, i have heard from the chief of the department and other people that we need six hose tenders, but at the same time, ive heard that we have no place to put them if we get new hose tenders. So is there Something Else that needs to happen in order for these hose tenders to be deployed . So some of these hose tenders will replace ones that we have right now. Other ones will go into relief. Were having meetings to learn exactly where were going to put them. Commissioner covington that was what i was thinking exactly, with the space crunch. We as commissioners, we [inaudible] commissioner covington and i also wanted to ask about the mass casualty. Is that the mass casualty bus or what is that . So we have two mass casualty units and two mass casualty buses. Commissioner covington okay. So this is the unit or one of the