Jurisdiction of the Authority Board and that do not appear on todays agenda. In addition, Public Comment will be held during each item on the agenda. Members of the public may address the board for up to throw minutes and you will hear a single chime when there are 30 seconds remaining, prior to making your comments, state your name and the organization you represent, if any, for the record. Please come up, hello. Thank you, very much. My name is and im the c. E. O. For Health Rights 360. The last time i spoke with you was a meeting on Treasure Island and you were about to turn the keys over to us for the Additional Units on marner street. And so, weve now opened those units. I just want to thank you so much for allowing us to mak use of te units. I dont think theres a program when we operate with the largest substance provider in the city and county of San Francisco and i dont think theres a Single Program we offer that has more of an impact on our clients than these services we provide in these units. Its amazing. People who come to us for substance treatment are 94 of them are unsheltered and they have no homes at all. They live outside. They come in for residential treatment. The end of 90 days of residential treatment you know in San Francisco theres no housing. What weve done with these units is weve deployed them in the service of a transitional recovery residents so that the clients can step down into residents and it doesnt have all the rules and restrictions and intensity of residential treatment. While they go to school or get jobs and they can continue their and its been remarkable. So, clients condition their treatment and a high degree of participation and they get jobs, save money and move out. Right. I mean its really transitional. In the true spirit of traditional housing, people put together enough money to go and find places and apartments of their own. And so, i just want you to know that the impact. It has a broader impact than just that because there are some clients who are living outside and concerned about coming into residential treatment because they think like why bother, i have no housing on the other side. So it brings more people into care in general. You should know the impact of your decisions and in this case, it was amazing and very rapid. Those units are all full. They stay full. Sometimes theyre residential treatment beds arent full, these units stay full. I wanted to thank you for that and let you know the impacts. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you for your service. Good afternoon, Sherry Williams with one Treasure Island. Im not sure if all of you saw the front page article in the chronicle that San Francisco is now the most expensive city in the world to develop housing. One thing that i think is important for us to always keep in mind in that context is that Treasure Island will continue to be a very competitive place to build Affordable Housing. If you looked at the chart of costs, their age for site control to acquire sites is 150,000 a unit and ours is zero. If you take the Authority Units, the 1866 units, that the Authority Unit has power to build above the inclusionary, were talking over 300 million so our housing on Treasure Island will always be competitive. Its not just because its fro but its also fully entitled, flat, theyll have the Geo Technical improvements and all of the utilities to the curb. I just wanted to just call that out that thats the legacy from all of the negotiations and the approvals that happen in 2011 that we will be in this position where women be com pe where we e competitive for those dollars and it will be a positive impact for Affordable Housing on Treasure Island. Thank you. Seeing no one else. Next item, please. Clerk report by Treasure Island director. Thank you, chair, members of the board. Last night, it was the navys Restoration Advisory Board meeting on the clean up program at Treasure Island. Also, this past m. Th months, te office of civic innovation selected a proposal prepared by one Treasure Island and tida for their civic Ridge Program to prepare a construction jobs forecasting tool that we would implement in partnership with Alex Francois and his Program Within one Treasure Island to there is a pro bono for the tool to be produced and if we are in agreement at that time we would move forward with the r. F. P. The last Treasure Island flee for 2019 was held november 23rd and 24th on Treasure Island and as i mentioned before, the fleet will be taking next year off as theres a utility work along the eastern shoreline in particularly the Sewer Force Main and interim gas main that were not compatible with the proposed schedule for the flee a market. Also on the eastside of the island, work is underway to remove the propane fuel thanks that used to fuel the fire simulators, the Fire Training academy. We are working with our Environmental Consultants to remove those and that work should be completed next month. Work is continuing between tida staff, puc staff and d. E. M. To do an afteraction assessment of the power outage thats we had on november 5th and november 11th with various groups looking at communications, systems and response and weve also authorized the p. , c. To make pe improvement this is advance of the replacement of the installation of the new primary switch gear which is, we discussed it before, scheduled for the end of 2020. That will be a significant milestone for us in improving the reliability of the electrical system on the island. On the condominium being constructed is under construction and last month the construction crane went up at the site. If you drive in from the east bay theres a prominent construction crayon the eastside of the island. A real symbol of progress. On Treasure Island, the wood grain insulation at the Wastewater Treatment plant is nearing completion to be followed by the due technical improvement of the site where it continues at the wear wate breas well as the causeway reconstruction where the west side of the causeway is nearly ready for reconstruction with the schedule of that being fully reconstructed by may, june timeframe and traffic being shifted to the west side so that the eastside can b be reconstructed. Ticd was awarded the utility and roadway construction packages for the first sub phase area on Treasure Island which will be critical as we worked to as they work to have those roadways and utilities in place consistent with the schedule for the development of the first residential project on Treasure Island, which is ccdc and source to plow shares building for former veterans. That project is expected to begin construction the First Quarter of next year and be completed in the fall of 2021. Work continues with ticd to plan logistics, demolition, utility relocations for the next sub phase area around hangar 2 and hangar 3 on the eastside of the island. On the as a reminder, our on island meeting schedule for next year will be to have throw on te onisland meetings in march followed by on island meetings in july and november. That completes my report. Thank you, very much. Theres a question. Thank you. Director beck, i wanted clarification about the generators situation. So i think in your report, you had mentioned that we were in this case luckily able to find someone to bring the fuel up and available to conduct i guess maintenance or followup work as needed. Is that an ongoing, i guess, contract that we will have with them moving forward so that we cannot encounter the same fuel shortage issue in the future . Yeah. We have through the p. U. C. We have an ongoing open maintenance contract with an agency that comes out and performs periodic testing the generators and so fourth and theyre also on call for emergency repairs of the generators. The refueling issues we encountered on november 5th, we are working with vendors to make sure we dont have a recurrence of those delays that we had that first evening in the event of future outages. Thats a critical issue, not just for the island but for all cityage facilities that rely upon emergency generator powers. Those refueling capability needs to be there because the on site Storage Capacity is typically anywhere from 12 to 48 hours. For those that have either a higher consumption rate, as is our case, because we have quite large generators, or have limited Storage Capacity then they need more regular refueling. Thank you. And i would just like to comment, bob, that there on Treasure Island when the flea market had its last flea market of the season and in fact for a couple of years. It was the traffic coming in and off the island on that day, of course it was a spectacularly beautiful day. It was incredible to get from one part to the main part of Treasure Island took almost 45 minutes just within the island itself. Which points out how important this is for us to have alternative transit that we need to get people out of the vehicles. And part of our plan for the various Transportation Plan is exactly to do that. Just wanted to point that out. Thank you. Clerk Public Comment on item number 3 . Item number 4. Communication 0 and received by tida. Are there any questions about communications . Hearing none. Next item, please. Clerk item number 5, on going business by board of directors. Yes, on this item, yes, im going to switch. I wanted to take this opportunity for those that are probably watching remotely, the Treasure Island development authority, our mission is not only to develop Treasure Island, i think us here have demonstrated that we have the skills to do that each and every person has skills. Its not a coincidence were here. Its also important. Were also helping San Francisco resolve a lot of the problems that its having. You need to ex down here. We have a lot of things figured out. The previous speakers with a 360, that model, that project it has great applications to all the problems that the city is he countering now. Here you are where we have a solution. We have something taking place within the county of San Francisco. Now, Everybody Needs to know about that. They need to know not just us, that this is what wore doing as we are developing the islands. We are also utilizing spaces that we have to help hot and we also heard from one Treasure Island where you just gave that synopsis about hey, seems like lets get all the money earmarked to Treasure Island because this is what weve been preaching about. We have the land and the plans and we know how to make this happen. Give us the money and we will be able to bridge the housing gaps in San Francisco and so in the reason im saying this is that when we convey this kind of messages, its going to be loud and clear that yes, lets teach them. Lastly in addition, we are also, as we build, we are creating a Workforce Development and so far in all the programs that we look in San Francisco ours is one of the finest and it has applications not only for San Francisco but also for the regions. So cumulatively, i just want to tell the commissioners out here, when we go out there and people are talking about that we remind everybody and we also try to help so that this messages could be loud and clear. I know im doing it and everybody here. Thank you, i just want to make that statement. Thank you. Thank you. I just wanted to mention, ive been asked by a number of people about our earthquake plan and we will be talking about that at the next on island meeting which is in march. Thank you very much. Clerk item number 6 Consent Agenda. 6a approving the minutes of november 13th, 2019 special meeting. Moved. Second. All those in favor say aye. Aye. Although owes posed. The Consent Agenda passes. Clerk approving a Second Amendment to the housing roles and regulations for the villages at Treasure Island. So weve discussed this at the past several meetings what has been we were proposing and are incorporated into the package today with the actual edits to or amendments to traditional housing rules and regulations, i have a few slides i would go through for members of the audience or watching at home that might not be familiar with what were undertaking here. The residents of Treasure Island include residents of the programs that fall under the one Treasure Island umbrella that includes health right 360, Catholic Charities and Community Housing partnership and those residents are slated to be moved into new units at each of those operators will be developing new Residential Housing facilities on Treasure Island. But for the market rate residents, we have households where all the members of the households were here on the island in june of 2011 when the Disposition Development agreement was adopted and those households were granted certain transition housing benefits to move into the new community as its developed. But that program did not provide for benefits for those people that would move to the island in the future. What we referred to as postdda residents. So we have households where everybody moves to the island prior to the june 2011 and some rom mates moved out that were here in 2011 and new roommates moved in that do not have future housing benefits. And the conversation we have been having is what opportunities can we provide to these residents that moved here after june of 2011. As i mentioned, i just had a slowed that slide discussing ple operators to construction new housing and relocate their residents. For those that were here in 2011, they have a number of benefit options. One is to participate in pre marketing opportunities to purchase a new condominium on the island to move to a new rental unit on the island either an affordable unit or a transition unit which would be not classified as a portable unit but the rent would be tied to the current rent. Or to take an inloop payment if the household declined to replacement unit. What we are proposing and what is incorporated into the change is provided in the transition rules and regulations. Are what is plied to those residents that are living on the island today who arrived after june 2011, the date of the dda. And would provide the opportunity for those residents to participate in the pro marketing opportunities for market rate housing whether thats rental units or for sale units and would also prioritize that those individuals that meet the income qualification requirements for new Affordable Housing programs to be able to be prioritized for placement in those units as they become available on the island giving them an opportunity to transition in the new development and continue their residency on the island. The changes that are currently proposed before you do not extend the inlop payment benefit to the residents. It does not offer transition units other than Affordable Housing program units. Consistent with the original transitional housing rules and regulations, do not extend relocation benefits to residential units that are leased by commercial entities. It would not extend benefits to future residents not yet living on the island. So the proposals that are before you, and we have to take any questions you might have. I understand this is an action item . Yes, this is action item to adopt these and then we would move forward with outreach and education to engage the post dda residents and advise them of these. Before i take comments and questions from the board, id just like to hear from the public if theres any general comment on this. Good afternoon, Sherry Williams from one Treasure Island and we are very supportive of post dda households who are income eligible to have a priority for affordable units and strongly urge you to support that proposal. Thank you. Any other comments . And then may i ask you a question, mr. Beck, the not profit sponsors of the housing, the first one which is the Chinatown Community development center, they serve a certain population and they have got them financing for the housing based on the populations that they serve. I just wanted to make sure what are the rules governing post dda if theyre to get precedence. Theyre not getting precedence over the target population, which these nonprofit groups actually serve. Is that correct . Yes. So, we have different buildings or different providers have different programs objectives and targets serve different target populations. Our first building is sources to plow shares which is an operator that provides housing to former veterans, particularly coming out of homelessness. And being a veteran is a program or an ak pansy requirement for that building. We do have one pre dda household where the sole occupant of the household is a veteran and so he may have the opportunity to be placed in the ccd source to plow shares building. Ill jump over Catholic Charities and talk about our third building which will be with the Community Housing partnership and Community Housing partnership does deal primarily with populations coming out of homelessness and they are also our largest operator on the island. They currently operate 110 units on the island and so, than building will be exclusively for the transition of current residents on the island within their programs and they will they are expected to fully fill that building with existing residents from their current operation. The second building with Catholic Charities is projected to be 135unit building. Catholic charities has 66 households on the island today. They would fill half of that building. We also intend to build finance 23 of the units within that building without the benefit of tax credit financing. So, in doing so, those units would be possible for us to use those as transition units for pre dda residents that dont meet the income eligibility requirements so those 23 units will be used to transfer pre dd residents. Also, Catholic Charities generally serves a broader spectrum. They provide a lot of Family Housing and so the balance of the affordable units within that building, because theyre not as with chp and source to plow shares really targeted at a specific audience but really more of a Broad Spectrum of Affordable Housing residents, are pre dda residents have annan opportunitanopportunity to fillf they meet Program Eligibility requirement income levels. To the extent pre dda residents dont fully fill that building then post dda residents that meet the income eligibility requirements would also have the opportunity to take spots within that building. And then assuming that theres any units left after that, they can get filled to the list that the Mayors Office of housing has and people who have been on that list for some years actually have. Wes, it would go to the mohcd ranking after that. For health right 360, were looking currently at our fourth building they are been part of our fourth construction project and potentially having a joint lease building where it would be maybe a vertical condominium with health right 360 occupying portions of the building and having their own entrance and a more family or mixeduse housing. Thats two years out and were analyzing programming and cost and funding for that site. T ill open it up to the board. Thank you u. It was a concern i had. It wouldnt create financing complications for the affordable projects already planned in the pipeline as we all can appreciate, construction, financing, of affordable projects are not easy. Its have i much gymnastics and very difficult to piece together so thank you for confirming that. I wanted to make sure that we fully understand the impacts of adopting this policy. At this point its been fully vetted, both the Mayors Office as well as supervisors, the board of supervisors are on board with this and voted on this already. In terms of impact to tida financial laws operationally, can you just briefly go over that without maybe going into item number 8 too much because i know wor were hearing that nex. So, this should not change in anyway our cost for us to construction and our eligibility for financing from various sources to fund our Affordable Housing construction. So from that perspective it should not change our cost nor do we believe it will cost change the cost of operating the facilities for the Housing Providers afterwards. The transition units that we provide for pre dd residents that dont meet income eligibility requirements have certain operating costs because since theyre not strictly affordable they can be subject to property tax assessments and other they have certain implications that we are addressing and those buildings where we incorporate them. We will have some effort by tida staff and our relocation consultant to engage the additional post dda residents, provide them advice on their options and benefits but that cost relative to the larger costs will be will not be terribly significant. Thank you. Thank you, very much. I support this resolution. I also wanted to help to break this down from your escalation earlier. So, case in point, so we know that the cdc and the sorts to plow shares, they have this long list because San Francisco being what it is, theres a shortage of housing. So these nonprofit are working in the heart of the community and we know that they have all the long list already that theyve developed to the community. Are we saying here that that they have to exhaust so if im plow share and i have all this list, that im trying to that i have, are we allowing them to exhaust those lists before we kick into ours . The implementation is going to be key here and i think thats what were talking about. How are we embarking on this implementation to make it work, especially how we are and we can help them. But just on this scenario that i have, we know theyre only creating ex amount of units and in most cases, they have all the long list. People that theyve had the list develop overtime and over years remember, its taking decades for them to even get to where we are. Meanwhile, the problems are getting bigger in the community there and i wish we can be building like i said earlier, the more financing we have we can help out more. In this situation here, how are question making it clear that they have to exhaust their list first or whatever or we tell them a 20 . I didnt quite get that. Can you help me elaborate that . This is a scenario i just gave. The general principle is that the transitional housing rules and regulations create a contractual obligation that we have to current residents. And that contraction actual obligation supersedes the general city wide wheat for the assignment of individuals to Affordable Housing. For example, with the Catholic Charities building, thats why first predda residents and postdda residents have the opportunity to be placed into the catholic charitys building. In advance of going to the city wide list. There are exceptions to that. With the source to plow share building in consultation with orders to plow shares and mohcd, because of the additional programming that source to plow shares pro voids to their provir population having served in the military and perhaps dealing with certain stresses associated with that service, there are programs provided within the source to plow shares housing that was concluded that that should be they limit that housing to veterans should be carried on that building. Our residents where we have households where there are veterans may have an opportunity to be placed there but based on the interviews weve done, we have a very limited number of that population. The Catholic Charities building will be filled with the existing Catholic Charities residents and income qualifying pre dda and the post dd alist and then the general. We will help you here. Lets develop the decisionmaking graph. Its great. Where we say if this condition here, because what im hearing and again, someone is already on financing and its already financed based on the criteria going in that thats why. We will have to translate and make this less cumbersome so that in the implementation we know basically where it goes and what were doing. Everything is implementation. I would still love to see the graphic and we can put some diagrams where everybody is transparent. If this happens, then what and all that and its also great so that everyone is on the same page when we go about implementing this so that you know, we can the pre dda from what you said are the highest priority in all of this so we are meeting the primary obligation but then also, accommodating this new requirement that even the city has all along a source to have dis quantified them to make sure it happens. I would still would like to see something to help us and you and cdc and the plow share and everybody understand mohcd so that we can all be on the same page. I can try and prepare some sort of a cheat seat or a little flow chart on how that would work. The one thing that i realize i should have added on the source plow shares building is that we have funding from the states veteran housing and Homeless Prevention Program which is also required those units be made available to veterans so its sources plow shares operating requirement and a Funding Source requirement and there may be other Funding Sources that we pursue down the line for instance the states no place like home program that would require that portions of the units or certain units be dedicated to people coming out of homelessness or people with Mental Health issues or Funding Source requirements would be the zoo things that would factor into this discussion as well. Just a couple qualifying questions. One is, it says that this change will not extend to future residents, not living on the island. Do we have an Effective Date . Yes, so we anticipate making it if its adopted today it would be tomorrow. Got it and i remember last time i asked about of the post dda residents, how many are income qualifying . We dont have we havent done outreach with them. If the post dda residents meet the same distribution of incomes as our pre d. D. A. Residents, then potentially 40 or more of the households would be potentially income qualifying. Just so im clear, in terms of post dda households, if you are inqualifying you are eligible and you are eligible for pre marketing of units and thats it. Yes. Great. Thank you. So moved. So its been moved and seconded. This is an action item. And all those in favor say aye. Aye. All those opposed. The ayes have it. Did you want to . I was trying to remember did we provide a comment for Public Comment. Yes, thats right. We d. We did it prior to discussion. Theres been a lot of comments o on this over the months. Im glad to have this resolution resolved and we can go onto the next item. Clerk item number 8 amendment to agreement with associated rightofway servic services. Im sorry but i actually dont have the item in front of me. Do you have was there a physical copy of this item . The amendment . Yes. Ok. I apologize. Thank you. So, did you read the item . Yes. And so, bob im present on this also. Marian who has been working directly with arws is here and says karen h edelman. So the amendment before you today is to increase the budget for the arws contract and to extend the term of the agreement exercising one of our optional terms extension thats were within the original contract to extend the term to 2024. Increase the over all budget to five and a half Million Dollars. This will do a number of things and it will allow us to get through occupancy of our first two buildings as well as into construction on the third building with chp. It will also allow us to continue expand our current outreach to post residents and also move forward with addition engagement to try and pre income qualify people for the first inclusionary bmr units that we expect to market late in 2020 and those are intended scopes we would exercise and im happy to take questions that the Board Members have. So, again, on this item id like to hear from the public first and we will open it up to the board. Lets open it up to the board. Do you have a question or comment on this . Hi. I do have a few questions. I dont believe i have the benefit of reviewing the original contract scope or the prior amount. Could you please just briefly go over what the prior contract was . Yeah, the original contract was for up to three years and one and a quarter Million Dollars. Over our first almost two years now, our burn rate has been a little higher than we had originally estimated. Primarily to reach that target of 100 engagement of the pro dda households. Its required a little bit more of a lift than we projected. So, we are at this point about a Million Dollars through that million and a quarter authorization and so this would add a additional terms to the agreement as well for that period. I can understand why are anticipated burn rate is different than our current because to reach everyone on the island and i still persist in that view because we understand its not just like they are displace and they have nowhere else to go so i want to underscore that first. Im curious as to what scope was supposed to be covered in that first one and a quarter million for three years because the current proposal is basically to increase it by 3. 75 million if im not doing the math incorrectly in my head. That seems to be a significant increase and i wonder what is the scope difference other than you know the outreach goal of 100 rather than the prior goal. The prior we didnt have a specific goal on the outreach. I mean, obviously we were hoping to achieve a complete outreach. It started with developing an outreach plan and procedures and guidelines and then through the implementation, as it related to preparing for that first Building Occupancy was a source of plow shares building. So this will take us, this also will continue that engagement Going Forward and extent it but also the additional steps intended to begin to actually transition people i dont both new bmr inclusionary units as well as occupying the second building with ccdc were in that building, were hoping to place as many as 40 pre dd households into that will building and working with conducting the lottery and to rank who would be the first placed and then also working with households to try and walk them through the income have the indication process to be qualified. As i mentioned its 135 unit building and 23 of them will be for dont meet qualifications but the other 57, 56 will be units where well need to get people through the income certification process if theyre successfully placed into that building. It sounds like in the first initial contract of three years, it was anticipated to only cover the Baseline Assessment and initial outreach but not to cover any of the placement, the actual placement. Now were moving into placement adding the new Baseline Assessment and interviewing process that we had already begun for the pre dda households and now for the pro dda households. Yes. As well as the Home Ownership, the bmr for sale component as well. That was not in our original. For the pr pre marketing . For the inclusionary for sale units. Also another thing that is more effecting our current burn rate and will have some impact Going Forward was we also initiated the early in lieu program that was not initially anticipated when we started our first contract. Thats right. Thank you for the reminder. So out of the 3. 75 million that is in front of us as the current increase, what is the split between allocation versus the on going placement work . I dont think weve preached the budgeting that way. I can break that out and provide that to you. So maybe let me ask conceptual question first. It seems that obviously im looking at im assuming maybe ver bait um excerpt of this work and not the terms and conditions of the contract. I dont know all the details that went into the original contract as part of the current amendment. But it seems to me based on the information that was provided that this is basically not to exceed budget thats basically on time and material basis and not a fixed fee contract. And i just want to understand a little bit about the approach and why were choosing to do it as a basis as opposed to fixing it. Yeah, it has been really to meet the kind of our performance objectives and provide some flexibility to adapt as we go forward. You are correct, its a not to exceed Contract Value and typically what we do is we develop a work plan for the next six months to 12 months where were in that process right now developing a work plan for the spring where we will be tackling, if you will, the heart of trying to engage in a post dda households as well as trying to prepare that Home Ownership audience for the first bmr for sales and the bristol building so thats the focuses that are paramount in this next task order and so then it would be a negotiated task order authorization and not to exceed for that scope of six months or so. But then to give us flexibility as we go to the next period of time so reflect on what were the challenges and within the prior period and what are the new issues that have emerged. And do another task order authorization for the following six months or so. I see. So the approach is effectively to basically have staff manage the spending by doing progression of allowances . Yes. Ok. And within arws contract, they also do have sub consultants that are providing Translation Services and the review and production of some of our mailings to to assure that were using the appropriate language and phrasing that will reach our target audience at the level that theyre at. So, those services specialize services influence the cost depending on how many mailings we do or how many Public Meetings we have. Thank you for mentioning that because that was one of my questions. That is certainly very important because we definitely have a higher rate of minority language population and so were really glad that that exists in the contract. I did notice there were about three consultants listed and i wonder what the consultants roles are because it wasnt detailed in the body of the language. They do a lot of our Translation Services and danler assists the formatting and messaging and im sorry, the third is myers . The third one is myers. Yeah. Legal. Thats important. And thats actually a component of the contract that we have not had to lean on very much. Ok. I think my general sense is that personally i feel that its really important at the time of contracting that we are clear about our expectations and also clear about the performance standards. Just like when we contract for construction contracts, there are milestones, there are percentage of completion tied with the payment which it sounds like you are sort of doing through allowancetype of staff level allowance approvals. But i think that in this case, it might warrant that we look at the language again to see how we can make it clear for both the city or tida as well as the consultant what the expectations are so that theres protection ex clarity on both sides. I would at the very least, like a bit more information about how we came up with this 3. 75 million increase because its a pretty significant percentage increase considering that our initial contract was only for 1. 25. And im sure that the consultant has a really good reason as to how you came up with this number but i would just hope that we could get some clarity on that. Thank you. I want to piggyback on the commissioner and i was looking the services here and even go through some of them. It says to conduct household Needs Assessments. Well, if the original scope thats about what we spent for these years. I think its conduct household Needs Assessment. It will be the baseline where we are jumping into justifying, ok, weve conducted the first Needs Assessment and we need to go here and i also remember when where talking about the post dda, i think one of the commissioners here asked the question, what does it cost to tida forward for us to do this. We need more questions. We need to know what the numbers were talking about. Where we are . Wore at the deliverly board that we have completed so check them off. What are the additional that we are going to do that because again were going from 250k to our 3. 5. That is substantial. And also let me identify another scope that you mentioned here. The development and Implementation Plan for the household. Weve already done that plan. We are a lud to see what weve done before and assess that and what it will take. Are we adding and we are amending what the state required. It does question needs to be asked. Then, the number three scope here. All the scope that you mentioned here and even with the as needed Consultant Services it is a little bit of what this is and were not going to be able to answer all of those questions here because this is the first time that you brought this. This project is very significant. We wanted to do it right and when we started up, we know what the challenges are and now that we have the timetable this commission will also like to be participate to try to again see how, based on what weve heard and what people have added in, that we can incorporate and do this right. Implementation is very important. I think we need to ask all the questions that people are and you do not have the answers here today. And why think i think we need to really look at the scope of services. I would definitely would like to look at the scope of services. What weve accomplished and what weve done well that accentuate on that can be the basis for the next one. What have we learned in them and what are we doing that maybe we could be doing differently and again, lets work on that. Have a budget. And then we can say ok, this is what the expectations are. And lastly, because of the post dda we are going to be encountering some resources from tida and then that makes us, when wore doing that budget, again the budget is so low, i always say that. So now we can look at this stuff so that its going to be reflected as we move forward. Tida budget can no longer rest the way it is. So, lets get out this picture together so that is it. I want more pictures before i can really decide where to go to some hearing. In principle, it will but more questions that you cannot and you dont have answers to. Thank you. Mr. Dunlop. Thank you, very much. First, it does seem like theres a few questions that needs answering but this is part of seven, really, two things are together. We just approved 7 and so 8, if we dont approve it right now, there could be some potential complications. So, do you have the total number of people who are predda versus postdda so we can get an idea of the expansion . Im sorry, marion, can you come up and answer that question. Its in the staff report that marion repaired and our predda and postdda households. I would also mention that the household Needs Assessment that weve conducted to date is a snapshot in time and it gives us a basis for planning. There will be a need for an ongoing dialogue with the households because the households will continue to change as they have since 2011 with roommates moving in and roommates moving out