And i cant get the family members to move to well, anyway. They do a good job getting this information out. To certificate holders. One thing i want and i notice it might be off the sur joke, and ive been crying for a number of years, to try and get the grandkids certificates of preference also. We have a lot of them who would love to come back to the community but unfortunately they dont have a certificate. I have one son who was born after we moved and i never used my certificate of preference even though i bought a home. I never used my certificate yet in hopefully if i get mine out, and turn my home inform my daughters name i can get a senior place away from the kids. I whoa love to see some of the grandkids get certificate. Ms. London breed, i used to bring that up then. Maybe you guys could blow in her ear and have get that for the grandkids. But like i said, theyre doing a tremendous job in getting out the information and i know, i have some my wife has some nephews and nieces that live in maduro and i forget what the other place is. We were telling them about certificate of preference also. They do have certificates and they were relocated and i talked to people who is out of the city and tell them to get in contact with the certificate preference information and some of them have and theyve been blessed getting the information to them so they can give it to the other people who it is going around where the list should be getting larger. Thank you, very much. Thank you. Next speaker. Casandra. Good afternoon, board of supervisors. Thank you for being here. Thank you for i was asked by zonia to come and speak. I want to just im a certificate of preference holder. I was a infant when my parents were displaced. They were vibrant artists in the community. My mother was from sweden and she spoke very little english. My father drove a cab and was a sculptor. Very young man. When i was a baby, we moved. And no one told me why. My family would drive back to San Francisco over and over again when i was a little girl. I never knew why. I was very artistic and i was cultivated to love the arts and i never understood these trips back into the city. My father was a proud sa sil yan and he would talk about it and dream about it. I grew up and went to college. I got a bachelor degree at u. C. Berkeley and i lived far from high school and went to Community College first and got my masters degree and living in berk re. Im an artist and engage in the arts and music. And when the Outreach Office contacted my father and i guess 2015, he called to tell me about this program and they said its a scam. Its a scam. I know its awful in the bay area to find remotely Affordable Housing if you are in the arts and i teach at a college as a lecturer and so its kind of Scattered Work but to return my father here and mother through their daughter. So i thought it was a scam. And even when my father kept pushing me to look into it, when i did, brooke was working in sonias position and i was skeptical but i sent in my birth certificate and got this certificate mailed to me. I remained skeptical. I thought what kind of program could this be . It doesnt make sense. Ultimately, i was called by thie these people calling me . What is their motive. And so, the private investigators who reached out to my family ultimately i now live in San Francisco and return to San Francisco and im the first in a lottery for the measure a building and so it took me a lot of work. So i just wanted give my family spoke of this beautiful African American neighbors and now i get this was a very rich community. Thank you. Thank you. Ash washington. Can you come up to the mic. My name is ace. I was born in that place. You know my history i dont have time to go but one day i sat down to talk about it because its one extreme to the other and i want to congratulate the staff and and when she first came here and and she did a wonderful job and i dont know you came on the same time and that picture and so, they did a wonderful job and it cannot be denied. Im just going to talk about right now, the next two minutes. Is history young lady. She can understand. She comes from where she can. I was born and raised and i came up when development agency, i knew mary rogers and when they tried sued to try to get the master lease and which i would call a certificate of preference and whatever you call it right now and im honored i believe able to have this and none were on ex september foon ex septembs morales and i hear in the report theres a whole big list that we dont know who the people are and there is a list still its called the master list. And waypack sued some of their hard on money we got from the federal government to get that list. So i wont go into it. Ive got one minute left. Im honored and amazed and i have to get your photos because theyre doing a wonderful job. I got to give it to you. You are part of the new era. Because right now we dont have no time for era. In the three eras are misguided leadership, failed effort, and the most egregious violation that ace on the case cannot stand is undermining the community. Everyday we had a level that we started and we starting a whole new era and we have london breed, queen b the mayor and all this new stuff going on so im just happy. Im tickled, not tickled pink but tickled black rit now and and thank you, very much. Thank you mr. Washington. No more speaker cards. Is there anybody here here what and are there any questions or comments. No questions. Just a comment of joining the others with congratulating you, pam, sonia, you know i just bother you all the time. All the time. But i thank you that you make yourself available for that and if you dont have the answer, you find it and you come back and pam, for this thorough report, full can annual thank you so much maria, as a team. Thank you,. Vicechair. I echo the bank and i have some questions and i just jotted them down but one of them, im interested in the usage of dalia by by stakeholders. Theres a percentage that is still doing business and i am just trying to see whether dalia is a good tool. Again, pam sims. And actually, dalia continues to be a very good tool for our cop holders as you know are elders. And actually the number of paper avenuapplications was up for 189 versus 17 or 18. There were six paper applications for cop holders out of 209. Thats excellent. Another question i have is, because i keep getting confused in my mind about the rent subsidiaries is the Cue Foundation the only vehicle for rent subsidies . Unfortunately, that is the primary goto organization for rent subsidiaries that are on going there. Other organizations that may help with deposits or application costs, moving costs but for on going rental subsidiaries, the Key Foundation is pretty much it. The Housing Authority vouchers are another good source. Unfortunately our Housing Authority isnt right there right now. It could be a couple years before any vouchers are available for them. How does the Cue Foundation obtain the money to provide the subsidiaries . Does it come from the city . Yes. And if you want a more comprehensive answer, maria can answer that for you but yes, it comes from the city. Ok. Im trying to wonder why the city doesnt do it directly or do more of it . Maria benjamin. It does come from the city, theres a limited amount, its really expensive rental subsidiaries. You know, because theyre on going for as long as a person is living in the unit. And there are theres been work done to review and figure out other Funding Sources for more rental subsidiaries and i dont have anything real to tell you right now about it but we know that theres a need for more longterm rental subsidiaries. Without the laboring, the point i thought that the Tipping Point and some other private sector actors that are doing charitable types of ventures that rent subsidiaries could be or would be parts of their programming, does that make sense . Again if you put it out maybe you will happen and someone is listening. So then, my last, i know you want questions chair bustos. On the western edition list, and the interactive map i thought they were both great items and certainly the interactive map is very creative. So this list of coming soon units in western editions since aa lot of folks said western edition is the place, how is that list comprised. Obviously with the Mayors Office of housing and then secondly, who gets that list . Is it just blasted to everybody . What weve done in the last couple of years and i think you may both have received it is we do a holiday letter. And in the holiday letter, we always add in there because we know what c. O. P. Holders wanted to hear and we list all the units that go on to their website and they have this tool that allows me to determine what units will be coming on in the next year. And we put those units, whether theyre rental or ownership in the a. M. I. Levels for individuals and it goes out to everybody who is 950 on the list. Thank you. Thank you, vicechair. I just want to say thank you so much. Theres such a difference between when i remember back in 2009 when i first joined the commission when it was redevelopment and now even the way you presented it, this really is about Public Service and i truly believe that you have done your best and are continuing to do your best, especially with the steps that you are outlining to maximize success. This is really awesome work that you are doing and even having the investigators, i remember back then when mayor newsome when i worked for them he said go to redevelopment and talk to the executive director about putting in 100,000 to find some investigators to go out and find people so im glad that were using all means necessary to locate people that rightly deserve the opportunity to come back. Please, keep up the incredible work of this Public Service that you are doing. And know that you are actually making a huge impact in the lives of people. So thank you so much. Madam secretary, next item. The next order of business is item 6, Public Comment on non agenda items. We have one speaker card. Oscar. You see me coming up here but as long as they have an agenda im going to be on it. Thank you. Anyway, two things i want to speak on. One, you know, back in the day, we had a Training Program, the ocii was Redevelopment Agency had a Training Program. Larry hollinsworth and i forgot the other person who they were trained for property manager, management, anyway, Larry Hollins worth, he managed the Jackie Robinson and another unit up there on cashmere in hunters point. Can you try and get another Training Program to train some of these people in these projects who want to be Property Managers to manage some of these units that is in there and also, not only do they train them, when i first came back in the 70s, they trained a lot of people like under ms. Dunbar for Property Managers and Different Things dealing with property. But that was a Training Program the Redevelopment Agency had. I think its time for this agency to come up with that type of program again. To train people in the community and wore going to upgrade and help people in the community to process teprosper and be succesn life. We need to have more Training Programs for them. The other thing i brought, i know were not glide as big as glide and thanksgiving, but my church is having a thanksgiving dinner for anyone who dont have a place to go. Thanksgiving, my wife and myself and members in our church are preparing food and im going to claim good cook. My wife also im smoking eight turkeys and shes baking 11 turkeys and were doing ham, were doing everything that grandma used to do for thanksgiving. So, homeless, whoever, dont have any where to come, come to st. Johns, im leaving some flowers for you guys. Come out and participate. Its going to be from 12 00 to 4 00. Like i said, its just a pleasure to be a servant and i know you guys are servants who have done things for our community, various communities and i really like and respect each and every one of you individually and keep up the good work. Thank you, very much. Thank you. Anybody else wishing to speak . Seeing none, im closing Public Comment. Madam secretary, please call the nueces countnext item. Report of the chair. Theres no report. Next order of business is item 8, report of the executive director. Madam director. Thank you. Ill go quick. I do want to note that after the commissions actions and the Candlestick Point amendments in october sorry. [laughter] in october 15th, Planning Commission took action on the item and it was unanimously approved and staff is working with five point to complete the confirming changes to the sub phase application. And i also want to note this is timely that three projects that are undergoing lottery that were issued in october and november one is 106 unit in folsom street with 12, we got 6,900 applications and 12cop holders applied. The next one is another one in mission bay 3 east and lottery was issued in november and its a 56 unit rental housing affordable unit, 6,700 applications and 16cop holders. And theres one that is block one and trance bay lottery issued in november. This month and 156 below market rate Home Ownership units and we had 496 because Home Ownership is limited for one cop holder and ill go through the stages of the application process and so on so this is just the same story about how were getting more applicants and all the various projects participated in the application process. So again, thank you for the team and extensive work. Thank you for all your hard work on this. Madam secretary, please call the next item. The next order of business is item 9, commissions questions and matters. Mr. Chair . Yes, thank you. I know commissioner roll sal hed something to talk about. I wanted to ask the commission to close the meeting today in honor and memory of buck delenthal, chief assistant City Attorney, head of the Government Law division in the City Attorneys office. Who was my boss when i was a member of that team. Who essentially taught me everything that i think i know in the legal profession. I mean, i consider myself an expert in many areas of law. But it was buck who guided me as a very young attorney pretty much right out of law school and he was a head of that department for almost 50 years and the reading of his obituary and also of commentary by the City Attorney, dennisherera. Buck had adviced 10 may ors in his career because they advise the board of supervisors, the mayor and all the other elected officials when i was on his team, he was, i represented the Human Rights Commission and that is where i learned about the minority women local business program. I was handed that assignment by him. Thats followed me my entire career. He was the one who helped defend it, created the Legal Framework for defending it and thats why San Francisco is the head many every city in the country because of his foresight in how to defend that program and how to implement it. I was also the attorney for the Police Commission and the attorney for the rec and Park Commission and all under his guidance and watch and mentorship and he recommended that i take the position as General Council with sfo and City Attorney louise agreed. Beyond his major accomplishments, he was a wonderful, wonderful person and he died very unexpectedly and quickly right before thanksgiving. And his memorial will be on december 3rd, at city hall. Thank you, commissioner rosales for providing that information about mr. Dellenthal and we will adjourn in his memory and honor. As a wonderful Public Servant to this wonderful city. Madam secretary, please call the next item. The next order of business is item 10, closed session, there are no closed session items. The next order of business is item 11, o you adjournment. As we just stated, we will adjourn in memory of mr. Buck dellenthal. May i have a motion. I move. I second it. Moved by vicechair rosales and seconded by dr. Scott. Thank you. We are adjourned. My apartment burned down 1. 5 years ago in noba. My name is leslie mccray, and i am in outside beauty sales. I have lived in this neighborhood since august of this year. After my fire in my apartment and losing everything, the red cross gave us a list of agencies in the city to reach out to and find out about various programs that could help us get back on our feet, and i signed up for the below market rate program, got my certificate, and started applying and won the housing lottery. This particular building was brandnew, and really, this is the one that i wanted out of everything i applied for. And i came to the open house here, and there were literally hundreds of people looking at the building. And i in my mind, i was, like, how am i ever going to possibly win this . And i did. And when you get that notice that you want, its surreal, and you dont really believe it, and then it sinks in, yeah, i can have it, and im finally good to go; i can stay. My favorite thing about my home, although i miss the charm about the old victorian is everything is brandnew. Its beautiful. My kitchen is amazing. Ive really started to enjoy cooking. I really love that we have a gym onsite. I work out four days a week, and its beautiful working outlooking out over the courtyard that i get to look at. It was hard work to get to the other side, but its well worth it. Im super grateful to the Mayors Office of housing for having this for us. Good morning. Everyone, the meeting will come to order and welcome to the thursday, december 5th meeting of the government audit and over site committee. Im supervisor mar and im joined by supervisor peskin and supervisor brown. Clerk, any announcements . Yes, thank you, mr. Chair. Please ensure youve silenced cell phones. Your completed speaker phones and any documents to be included as part of the file should be submitted to the clerk. Items will pai acted upon will n december 17th meeting. Thank you, mr. Clerk. Please call item number one. Agenda item number one is a resolution authorizing the mayor or disne designee to cast a baln said district. I would like to welcome the Senior Program merge at the Workforce Development to present on this item. Im presenting on a resolution authorizing the mayor in affirmative for the two parcels controlled by the board of supervisors. On december 13th, they will mail out ballots in the proposed rule of the cbd with two sent to the county of San Francisco. The board has jurisdiction over the two parcels and the citys obligation on these two parcels is a combined 5,561 pipeline 59 which represents 2. 257 of the cbds total assessment budget. The complete list and individual breakdowns can be found in the legislation on line one of page 3 of the resolution. Any questions for staff . No and thank you so much, mr. Corgus. Any members of the public wishing to speak on this item . Seeing none, Public Comment is closed. Can we send this item to the full board with positive recommendation without objection . Thank you. Mr. Clerk, please call item number two. Agenda item number two is a resolution opposing California State Senate bill 50 to authorize scott weiner in planning for the public good to capturing an equitable portion of the benefits, to private interests and restrict San Franciscos ability to protect vulnerable abilities from genderfication unless further amended. Thank you. I would like to open this hearing which is presenting an overview of my remarks. Im grateful for the opportunity to continue this important discussion on senate bill 50 and its implications for our affordability crisis and our approach to addressing it. This conversation strikes at the core at the biggest challenge facing our cities. Its a city that has more jobs and homes, that has more vacant homes than Homeless People and the highest number of billionaires per capita anywhere in the world in one of the largest wealth gaps in the country. We are the second densest city in the country and we have birthed social movement and innovations that have changed the world. Our affordability crisis is a challenge we must rise to meet. The question isnt if we take action but how. The question isnt if we build more housing but what we build and for whom. We will consider amendments to this resolution because i believe developer give aways wont solve problems. Because displacement is a threat in the past, present and future, because the specific challenges of San Francisco deserve specific solutions and because we have to have this discussion in good faith and work with our state representatives to solve the problems we face. Because we know its not enough to say what were against. We need to say what were for. To imagine a future including a middleclass and working class in San Francisco, that prioritizes Community Needs over bottom lines and puts people before project and we need to build that future. To be clear, the resolution before us is a duplicated file. It is already the official position of the city and county of San Francisco on sb50 passed with a 92 vote by the board of supervisors earlier this year and since then sb50s advancement through the state legislature was put on hold. But our representative in the state senate, scott weiner made it clear he intends to move it forward again this january. When we last heard this item, we heard a desire to clarify what San Francisco would need to see in this bill to support it. And with the return of sb50 imminent, im bringing this resolution back to introduce amendments, to clearly state our need to give communities a seat at the table in planning for more housing in their neighborhoods and to capture the value created when we up them and use that value for more Affordable Housing and Community Benefits instead of give aways to developers and to provide meaningful, enforceable protections against displacement and intelligen jenty again indu. The houses we build is not Meeting Needs low and moderate San Franciscons. This is the kind of data we should use to make land use in Planning Decisions and the kind of data that wasnt available when sb50 was written and make us rethink the approach were taking in letting private market drive housing production. As written, sb50 wont correct that imbalance and exacerbate it. And the jobs housing fit report also shows that were seeing huge amounts of displacement of middleclass people from San Francisco, people who need the kind of housing that Luxury Development simply wont provide. As written, sb50 doesnt representative Community Plans and the kind of plans that have been most successful at increasing Affordable Housing in ways that center the needs of neighborhoods instead of ignoring them. We need an opportunity to decide for ourselves how we meet the needs of our communities and truly Affordable Housing is one of the biggest needs. Weve been investing in that. A big chunk of my first year, budget addbacks went to Community Resources so we can do this work and give residents a voice in creating more Affordable Housing in our neighborhoods. We passed a 600 million bond for Affordable Housing and we increased the jobs housing linkage fee on Office Development to raise hundreds of millions of dollars for more Affordable Housing over the next decade. And we passed proposition e to rezone land for more Affordable Housing and educate our housing projects. Today well be voting on updates to our citys Priority Development areas to give us more funding and resources for Affordable Housing, transit improvements and more. Theres no disagreement that San Francisco needs more housing. The discussion i hope to have today is on how we do that, what we build and for whom. And we arent simply in a housing supply crisis. Were in a Housing Affordability crisis and our specific challenges deserve specific solutions. I passed out amendments to get specific on how to address our concerns with this bill. The bulk of the substance can be found on page 5, line 8. First sb50 does not respect Community Plans and San Francisco has been most successful managing growth through the adoption of local Community Plans, which have included significant upzoning for new housing. Sb50 restricts the citys ability to adopt local Community Plans to ensure equitable and Affordable Development in all neighborhoods. Therefore, we are demanding that sb50 exempt areas in San Francisco subject to local Community Plans that resulted in increased density and Affordable Housing benefits, ensures cities that reach the Needs Assessment production goals for abovemoderate income are sufficient opportunity to create local Community Plans and submit draft eirs by january of 2026 in lieu of sb50 state land use preemions. Preemptions. Its potentially applicable for the site. And third, sb50 fails to protect all vulnerable tenants. Sb50 formmulaciclly establishes communities which meets its apparent purpose to meet displacement. Ithis accounts for the impact te housing has on communities. We demand the demonstrable efforts increase in the state of repair. This could be flew a bonus pod of grant funds and a higher share of formula funds distributed by the state for associated projects and programs and priority in statefunded competitive Grant Programs and allowances for jurisdictions to impose private Sector Development impact fees, sequa exemptions for landuse changes transferred by sb50 and finds for local Community Transportation planning. Im grateful for the time and attention of my colleagues on this important issue. And welcome president yi for joining us. Thank you, chair mar. I just want to say that right off the bat, i hope that my colleagues on the committee will support the amendments. You know, for several months, weve had, like, heated discussions about sb50 and s sb827. Were trying to plan for things in our district and many of updatof theamendments would be l to our efforts thats been ongoing for a little while. You know, we have bills and does not take into account the nuances and unintended impacts that comes with upzoning the entire neighborhoods and in the area of, like, in the west side, there has not been much resource put out there to help us plan. Ive been talking about this for seven years now and saying, what are you talking about . Were not building anything, this is ridiculous. Puwhat do you mean . The Department Says it will have 4,000 more units and San Francisco state is going to bill for they currently have 4,000 beds for their students and their going to bill for 12,000 students. Thats an increase of 200 . Stonestown is talking about developing hundreds and hundreds, if not thousands, of more units and thats just one little area in my district im talking about and then you add on top of that the development happening on ocean avenue, where we had building after building of significance stories and apartments and so forth, which in the last few years, were built probably about 500 units along ocean avenue. On top of that, weve been working up and working with my neighbours to see if we could build something at the balboa reservoir site which would give us more than a thousand more units, 50 affordable. And then, im working on other sites in the district, including laguna honda and its ridiculous that we had no resources when were trying to do this and what we need is not only the city, but the state to help us. In regard to giving us enough resources so we can actually come up with area plans that makes sense for our district out there. Where the density is there, well increase and when you think about it, i mean, why do you need sb50 when in San Francisco were already the singlefamily homes, if anybody feels like theres an empty lot in the rh1, it becomes almost three units, basically three units right away because of what we have allowed. So these are the things that we need to take into consideration. When you look at cities like San Francisco, were actually building our share of housing, and maybe we could do better but probably doing better than most places in california and we have motivated communities that want to plan. Theres no guidelines of how you should do it. They just do it. Where are the resources . What do you need recordingses r . What do you need infrastructure and why do you need transportation . Oh, you know, like the mline and the nline and all of the muni that goes out there, try taking that in the morning when you want to come downtown. Its train after train that just dont stop because its packed and thats before were talking about 10,000 more units that will be out there. And so where the funding to help us with the infrastructure . These are things my neighbors are concerned about. Its not about our neighbors saying we dont want any growth. We dont want this or that. I just name all these projects that people are supporting in the district. So these amendments would go a long ways in terms of helping areas like the districts in the west side to make things happen. We have leadership of supervisor mar, supervisor furer who are working, and myself, working with our neighbors to say what else can we do . We know were in a housing crisis at this point. We know that. Maybe ten years ago it would have been different but today, you go down the streets in district 7 and two out of three people will say to you, theres a housing crisis. Were losing our families. Were losing our seniors and were losing our teachers. Yesterday i went to a ribboncutting for a new Childcare Center and we were talking about the Stipend Program for the early educators thats being implemented at this point and this is what is called 2. 0, versus the 1. 0 which i created, like, 20 years ago. At that time, the early educators, 80 lived in the city. Today, when they survey the 2500 teachers that would qualify, less than half now live in the city and weve been losing them. So chairman mar, thank you for making these amendments. With these amendments, i would love to support this resolution and i hope that the rest of my colleagues here can support it, also. And so, a couple other things i want to say is, this discussion, notion of, oh, my god, singlefamily homes are racist. And i dont get it. I dont get that. I mean, i grew up in a duplex, in a rental unit. There were four units in there. And everybody that i know, all of my chinatown friends, they all desire and everybody i could think of that lived at the time, they wouldnt be highrises now but when you talk about four stories, it was a highrise then and people wanted to have a singlefamily home. Now does it mean that many of the Housing Associations in San Francisco what they really had i mean, singlefamily units in itself is not racist. I challenge anybody who says it is. Its the stupidest notion ive heard of. The covenants were in the association for many years, decades that people could not live there in writing and thats why willie mays couldnt buy a home and even though he was the most famous player, they wouldnt allow him to buy on the west side. I could go on and on about this. This is very hot issue for my district and people want to step up. So give us a chance to step up and to add to the developments were seeing on the west side. Thank you very much. Thank you, president. Supervisor brown. Thank you. And thank you, chair mar for bringing these amendments forward. I know when i brought amendments to the full board for sb50, and i brought eight amendments that i worked with planning with senator weiner on, which at that time i had the votes, but i felt it needed to go back to committee so i referred it back to committee because i felt there needed to be more of a public process information, for us to be able to work with the community. Also i have clarification questions that may you can answer for me. So are we having a presentation by planning on these amendments . No, not on the sb50 resolution. On the amendments were not . No. Were having a presentation by planning on the next item which is the Priority Development and written ros resolution. I wish we would have had a presentation and they are the experts and whether we agree, we pay them a lot of money to give us an explanation about the development in housing and with these amendments i feel it would have important to hear from planning. I worked with planning when i actually created my amendments because i was afraid, like, what could be the unintentional consequences for us. I wanted to hear that and i felt it is important for the public to have that fra plannin from p. I agreement with president yi that i especially think the west side needs a lot more time to do that planning. I know in district 5 and we just finished it up with planning, we did a housing opportunity blueprint that will be coming out next week and thats something that i think every district should do because that way you can really look at all of the different sites that can build, whether thats private development or city land and wha then you can go and talo a community about it. So thats something that district 5 we did a few years ago and then when i got into office, we actually updated it, because as we know, every year, we have changes in our housing laws. I have one question for you that im a little worried about with these amendments. Supervisor brown, if i could respond about the planning. Perfect, thank you. I wanted to make it clear. I and my staff did work closely with the Planning Department on the amendments that im introducing today and weve gotten their feedback and their support on it. Oh, you did . Yes, we did. We worked closely with them and working closely with the Planning Department staff on developing our plans in district 4. As president yi said, hes been doing that in district 7 and i know supervisor furer has been doing that in district 1 1 to really develop working with the Planning Department to support our communitylead Planning Efforts to strengthen our neighborhoods, including increasing housing density. Thats been happening on the weed sidwest side and im very f the work youre doing in district 5 and thats great, too. My point was that if you worked closely with planning, it would have been nice to have a presentation so we could have asked them questions, but thats fine. Theres one particular one, its number 4 and when it says ensure sb50 projects are required to make Affordable Housing contributions, is that subsequently higher than existing local, Affordable Housing standards, potentially applicable for the site . So that is a little concerning, just because of the fact that we know with home sf program that it barely works. I mean, asking for 25 affordable. Im not talking about luxury condos or luxury apartments but plain old apartments, right. And so having anything thats 25 , i mean, theyre not building. And that means it doesnt get built. So thats a little bit worrisome for me that number 4, because im just really worried that if we put Something Like that in, we could be killing projects because when you look at planning and i wish thats why we had planning here to report that, and i know when i was looking at and doing feasibility studies for divisive corridor and these were private, all apartments, no luxury apartments and looking how high we could do that. How high could we put up the affordable inclusionary housing as we were coming through the board and 25 killed it, absolutely killed the proje