[roll call] clerk we do have a quorum. Let me take the opportunity to those who may be up and running this morning, welcome to the San FranciscoTreasure Island information and development committee, and let me give a shoutout to myeesteemmy esteemed commissioners this morning. Next item, please. [agenda item read]. So please, you dont have to have a card, so you can please come on. Okay. It seems there are no Public Comments. Clerk item number 3, conkent agenda. Proofing the items of the november 5, 2019 meeting. Okay. All in favor . Clerk okay. Item number 4, parks and future events. So Martin Wiggins will give a presentation of the future open spaces. Good morning, chair richardson, members of the committee. For the record, my name is Martin Wiggins, and im presenting on parks events andand programming. I felt the need to start a conversation with the committee on looking forward to park programming and events with an eye to some of the recent events that people are familiar with, so ill run through the presentation and im sure therell be time for discussion and questions. Ill start with events that people are familiar with. The Treasure Island music fe t festival has been here for a few years. In dark pink is the area itself and then staging and parking areas are shown. Its a large event, 10,000 to 12,000 attendees. And then, the duration, while its just kind of a long weekend, theres some set up involved and some takedown. Treasurefest is an event were probably all familiar with, taking place on the west side of the island, 15,000 to 20,000 attendees, and breakdown and set up, and you can see some areas that extend outside of the actual event. And then thirdly, the dragon boat festival. This was a rather large event, 30,000 to 60,000 attendees. It takes up a large amount on the island, and then certainly takes up space in clipper cove, as well. So what weve done for references, overlay those events in terms of the area they take up and also the staging and parking areas and overlaid it over the future parks and open space diagram. And i think the maybe one observation is potentially an inpatibility with a lot of projects. We know there are a lot of active and sports uses plans. We know generally where theyre going to go. Theres passive events, such as in city site park where there is not an active plan but large open spaces. So i think its important to look at the between of those two, what are some events, what are some special events that can occur and where might those occur and just use those as a starting point with a conversation with the committee. So in terms of larger events, ill just run through them. Events greater than 10,000 people, sports do have venues for sports competitions or concert venues. It just shows what could be accommodated in terms of events or potential people attending. 30,000 for the event or 60,000 standing. Comparable to the stern grove festival inside. Events larger than 1,000 people but not up to contemplated to be compensated for in the design thus far, so similar to the yerba buena gardens festival. Smaller events, less than 1,000 people, smaller festivals, art walks. So places you could stage booths, a couple smaller stages, and then several hundred people attending and walking through there. Again, the retail street, city side park, particularly some of the plazas there, and cultural park. Outdoor movie nights, performances, i think, again, cultural park, city side park are places where we could fit up to 1,000 people sitting on blankets with a stage. And then one last group large exercise is that were seeing, so city side park is a place where you could accommodate that, and you could have several hundred participants. So with that, that concludes the presentation. I think its just intended to spur conversation. I expect questions of things that we can look at and come back to. Thank you. Yeah. Thank you very much for your presentation. Make sure that we would like to have a copy of that presentation so we can go back and use that information for subsequent discussions. There are certain items there that we would like to really go back on. I think for the public and people that are hearing this for the first time, we do have an elaborate plan, and i think theyll unroll this in a few months. We are looking at the parks. We are going to have over 300 acres of open space, more than the golden gate park, so we have all the programs that we need to really look at. We are not the only city doing that. We had some models when we visited new york, and we also know we need programming to allow that open space. Not only are we looking at the area, but the things that will allow that. So there, commissioners, if you have any statement now to add after this before i open that to the public for comment. Commissioner . Thank you so much for that report. Im glad that the team is looking at how the spaces that we are going to be created are going to be used and programmed. You know, the parks and the open spaces are one of the reasons why we are even doing a whole 8,000, you know, Unit Development on Treasure Island. Its also its because of the public spaces that were creating thats going to be open to everybody, not just the residents what are on the island, so we have to pay particular tension to how those plans are going to evolve and how those spaces are going to be used, so thank you very much. I think it is the first time ive heard about the detailed spaces that are going to be at Treasure Island and how they will be used. And i think that its great that theres all these Different Levels of spaces. Theres wide open spaces such as along the waterfront park, theres small spaces that can be used for more intimate events, and im glad that youre exploring how those different spaces will be used and programmed. I think incomeproducing, you know, looking at the spaces, how they can produce income to fund the operations and maintenance of those parks, is extremely important. I think thats something which oftentimes is neglected at the front end of how those spaces can be used and provide income for the continuing plaoperatiof the park. And i think lots of parks around the country are starting to realize that they start tapped into the potential of those public places, and how can they make them more vibrant, how can they make them more active. One of the questions that i have is in looking at the various concerts and music festivals, for example, one thing they missed in salesforce park, which is one of the most recent parks opened in San Francisco, is they looked at things such as music to be performed, but they didnt allow the back for those performances for real concerts to be done, and that seems to be such a glaring example of, you know, not planning ahead of time and not bringing in people who have that expertise so that we can expert be able to use those spaces as we planned, can you tell me a little bit that and what are the practicalities of having musicals as an example . Yes. So in locations where those sort of events have been contemplated, cultural park and city side park to name two that are in development, when the parks were in Schematic Design and as the designs have developed, the teams have retained a subconsultant that specializes in park programming and operations to help advise on what infrastructure is necessary to support those events. And so dedicated electrical circuits that are at a higher amperage than normal that would allow them to pull more power. The idea that theres a certain drivable route in and out of the park to haul trash or to load equipment in and out down to the vehicular turning radius for the type of truck that would be used, those have been baked into the design thus far. So i think there has been consideration given to allow some of those things to occur. I still think flexibility of the parks will remain paramount and even with those pieces of infrastructure in place, i anticipate we may find ourselves using the park and bringing in temporary temporary rest rooms, temporary generators, but the park certainly allows, you know, when were planning to do a certain event, allows for that to occur with the infrastructure thats planned. Great. Wonderful. And then, what about the maybe havent gone to this level of programming yet, but the opportune piece for small entrepreneurs to have a cart or to have a bicycle rental business. Has there been some thinking as to those Small Businesses that could, you know, put up temporary or popup types of situations . Operationally, i dont know that theres been a lot of thought to that level yet. I think broadly, those are all would be very positive things in the parks, and i dont think theres been anything done to preclude it, but i think its something that should be discussed more. I also think that some of those events or some of those uses are are able to be brought in in places. You find them popping up in places that havent planned for them. They pop up, and so theyre efficient in that way and creative in the ways that they can go into a lot of spaces, even if they werent planned. But i think they would be positive additions, especially early on, so i think its something we can talk more about. Okay. Well, great. I think its great that youre examining the different uses, and i look forward to hearing more as the team progresses further towards final design, yeah. Thank you. Thank you. Thank you. Commissioner sharon lei . Its interesting that youre thinking of the turn radius and how to get equipment on and off the island. I think thats one of the first things that came into my mind is how would setup and breakdown of events occur . Because hopefully, in the future, the occupancy would be different. I think one thing that jumped out at me when you provided the larger venues for the larger events, it seems like the larger gatherings of those more than 10,000 people are more than in the inland areas of the island, which my recollection is its all residential there . So thinking about what it would be like to have those large types of gathering that far into, like, the residential neighborhoods. And perhaps its not any different, like stern grove and whatnot, except stern grove is a little buffering and has some landscape around it, so maybe you can talk about how those uses would be comparable with the neighbors . I think most of the island is will be residential, and so i think it plans those events needs to be done with care, thought, consideration and forward thinking about how it would work. Really, the only areas where you wouldnt be next to neighbors would be in the Island Center between clipper cove and california. Equilibri coincidentally, thats where you have the least room and limit the open space around them. Until we do them out in the wild, we would globally need to be careful in considering the timing of the events, how they late they run. I think thats the outside concerns that pop up, for stern grove and day events. I cant say weve done a lot of specific planning on mitigation for that, but i would agree its something when we look more into the operational specifics of those events, they would have to be considered by necessity because theres neighbors on the island. And then just wondering because you showed some revenue numbers from past events. Just wondering, how does that compare to costs for, you know, for tida to be managing the security or providing any keep of support. Yeah. I think in the past, a lot of the events have been marketed or agreed to almost as a way of keeping Treasure Island in the public compass, and i think we would be more aggressive on pricing in the future, but parking lots used occasionally to support an event could produce more significant revenue if they were rented out to a staging or a storage yard. So its really been more about creating a Public Awareness of Treasure Island than it has been creating a revenue stream. And thats what im talking about, is fostering events on Treasure Island that are more unique to us. But i would be going towards more the costs associated running the events should be higher just because theres more parking Traffic Management we would have to implement, just offering or operating around the fringes of the event, just because naturally theres going to be more conflicts and more uses that we have on the island. Just as a suggestion, as you continue to think of the type of events, do think of events that perhaps utilize the full range of the islands offerings, including, you know, you mentioned some sporting events that are very localized, but perhaps think about island type of events, races. We do have a very unique setting where we have great biking trails, walking, access to water. Sounds like theres a lot of collaboration that can be done with existing events in San Francisco or some unique ones on Treasure Island. Thank you. Thank you. So i have some questions. San francisco, historically, they were built, and then, we tear down the infrastructure. Its different. So right now, were building the infrastructure from scratch, and thats why its so important that at this level, this stage, that we provide some provisions to be able to have the Electrical Systems on the ground or cabling or whatever, even as were making all the decisions to think about what kind of events go to different spaces. Thats very important. If we build infrastructure and then have to think about something later, theres a lot that we can anticipate. I think every resident in terms of Treasure Island understands that this is going to be a point of destination, and there are models not only in the bay area and even within San Francisco, as commissioner lei said the stern grove. Theyre buffered by residential areas. As youre planning events there, theyre doable. They could be done. It just depends on the kind of hours and the amenities. But again, Treasure Island would have to compete with the chase stadium and all these other venues in San Francisco that are emerging now. So when we get to the level of detail, im sure we will delve into the kind of revenue, because they have to be revenue driven. They support the parks, and all the residential areas and the infrastructure that we bring around. And i also envision that all those events will have their own liability. They might even be asked to provide security and just like in all the events here in San Francisco. So this is great. Let me open the discussion now. Are there any questions from audience members, please . Okay, seeing none, thank you, sir, for your presentation. Wed like to see you again. Clerk item number 5, Pacific Basin fountain. So like to invite the Treasure Island museum to give an update on conservation and preservation study that theyve done on the pacific fountain terra cotta that belongs to tida. Good evening. Im ann scheinman, and im happy to be one of the five to presentation you the update on the fountain. Im going to be talking about the fountain sort of through history. Im Vice President and historian at the Treasure Island museum. Where is can i use that . Okay. Visionaries who dreamed up the Golden Gate International exposition of 1939 and 40 chose irreleva inspiration as the theme. Fair publicists called San Francisco the metropolis of the pai pacific. This brochure lists some of the countries that were secured as participants. This building was Pacific House, designed by architect william merchant. A group of citizens and an International Organization called the institute of pacific relations didnt want the theme of pacific unity to be an empty slogan. Pacific house provided substantive and educational cultures for the purpose of promoting world peace. Maps for the central feature of Pacific House. The enormous and beautiful blue oval of the pacific fountain was the first things visitors saw when they arrived. Its shimmering blue basin was the size of a back yard swimming pool. The very cartography of these maps was unique. Pacific house notes that conventional noted that conventional world maps features the atlantic at the center with featured the atlantic at the center with the pacific relegated to the margins, literally marginalized, emphasizing americas relationship with europe. A u. C. Cartographer drafted a new map projection with the pacific at the center. Antonio bolivar, a talented San Francisco architect, worked on this project for six months. Took a long time to make. The founders of Pacific House had long range plans and the fountains was facilitated in sections to allow moving it after the fair. Very important point. In this cartoon by sotomayor, the child seems to be enjoying the fountains. Hes leaning over the rim of the fountain, looking at the map. Enormous Pacific House maps were also created by mexican artist miguel covarrobias. This is from a little booklet that sotomayor made. Thats sotomayor on the left and covarrubias on the right. And just to put sotomayor in the context of art, on the left is lucien laboe, sotomayor, and other people involved in the art in the fair in 1939 and 1940. The fair ended in 1940. The navy moved onto Treasure Island, demolished Pacific House and relocated the fountain to a remote area of the island. Unfortunately, the navy also cemented the pieces together. It removed there for almost 50 years, where it was a source of enjoyment to people on the island. When the navy aunited statnnou 80s that it had other plans for the location, the navy and the island moved it to museum in district one. During this, sotomayor passed away. He died believing that the fountain was under restoration. In his obituary, the paper called him San Franciscos novel laureate. This was the last photograph taken of the fountain before it was dismantled. Engineers determined rather than moving it in one place, the fountain would have to be cut along mortared joints. Tida is the steward owner and caretaker of both the covarrbias murals and the pacific fountains. Five of the six murals have been lovingly preserved. One has been missing since the 60s, which is sad, but the rest are preserved, while the fountain languishes with a certain amount of pathos on the island. San francisco should be proud that this fountain recognizes the citys recognition of the pacific as a united a unity of economic and cultural partners. San francisco recognizes that community and gave it breathtaking vision in the world fair, especially in the art of that fair. Thank you. Thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you for your great presentation and who else is coming . [inaudible] okay. Yes maam. Just say who you are. Good morning. My name is claire isaacs. I was director from the San FranciscoArt Commission from 1983 to 1990. I also ran an art center for the city of los angeles and did Education Programs for San Francisco museum of modern art, and im here to speak about the artistic quality of this great work of art. Ive also been president of the Treasure Island museum twice and remain on the board. This is a 25year saga, the saga of this beautiful fountain. Antonio sotomayor did something thats not been done before. He made a terra cotta map of the world as seen from the pacific using the colors found in nature. The oceans, lakes, rivers, and streams are all glazed in blue. You may notice in the last slide that the areas around the pacific shoreline are in light blue and then graduates to dark blue to insinuate depth. In the middle of this, there are several charming whales spouting from their spouts as they do in the ocean. Its a wonderful work of art. Its an important work of art and would do so much to Treasure Island to have it restored and placed in a spot for so many to enjoy as it was so many years ago. There isnt much left from the fair, just buildings one, two, and three, but this would be something for everybody to enjoy left from the fair and everybody to enjoy. The city has been wonderful in taking care of its works and art and this would be a great triumph that people would like to see for miles around. One last thing. Sotomayor was a wonderful artist. He did paintings and drawings as well as pen and ink including this wonderful fountain. Please help us put this fountain back together on the island. Thank you very much. Thank you very much. Are there other speakers . Good morning. Im retired admiral john biddulph. I had the honor of living in nimitz house on yerba buena island. I am here today in my capacity as a member of the Treasure IslandMuseum Advisory council. Following the 1989 loma prieta earthquake and in the process of inspecting the island for damage, i came across a fencedin area containing colorful ceramic tiles, and their beauty caught my eye. Research revealed they were part of the Pacific Basin fountain from the 1939 worlds fair. As a history buff and an art aficionado, i wanted to preserve these facts and have the terra cotta tiles repaired and installed in front of building number one. I like to see myself as the stepfather of this fountain. I requested special funding to make this happened, but i retired before my effort came to fruition, and apparently, my successor did not pursue it any further. During that inspection, i also came across several additional art objects, including the pacific unity sculptures and assured their preservation. Six of the sculptures are now in front of building one. For your information, immediately following the earthquake, i was responsible for leading the major rescue and recovery effort in the greater bay area with more than 10,000 navy and marine more personnel. Upon my retirement from the navy, the mayor appointed me director of emergency services, and i am responsible for building the emergency command and Communications Center on turk street. I strongly support the preservation and restoration of this historic and beautiful fountain for future generations. And your name, please, sir, for the record. Im retired general john bitoff, bitoff. Thank you. Any other speakers . Good morning. My name is dan heilbeck. My company was retained by the museum to perform a Feasibility Study on reconstructing the fountain, so im here to talk about that. The fountain contained roughly 610 pieces of terra cotta, and of that, 60 of them no, 70 of them remain. And most importantly, the remaining pieces are the most important pieces that makeup the topography of the Pacific Basin. The pieces that are missing are the pieces that you will see around the perimeter of the fountain, which are relatively plain pieces that are easily refabricated. So we authorized a study to talk about that. As a result, that, we started to develop some repair strategies for it because as was mentioned before, when the fountain was reconstructed, the pieces were remortared together again, which led to some damage when they were disassembled in 1984. The repair of terra cotta is a fairly straightforward process. Its been done several times in the city throughout the years, and over the years, myself and other companies have developed techniques to repair ter terra cotta spalls and nicks and stuff like that. So from a reassembly standpoint, reaassembling the fountain is not hard. We had a contractor give us an estimate that focuses strictly on reassembling the fountain. We dont know where the fountain would be rebuilt, whether it be in its own dedicated area, would it be on a hilly site or a flat site and things like that. Theres also issues regarding whether or not it would be dry or wet, whether it would actually contain water and have spouts as the original fountain did. However, to get some idea of what Something Like that might cost, we also prepared a very outlined scope of work, mimicking where it was in Pacific House for 50 years on the island. We had that commissioned by lee saller and associates, and they estimated that cost would be approximately 1 million, but theres many assumptions in that. Moving forward, the aspect of contemplating the reconstruction of the fountain is to determine where it would be built, what sort of context it would be within, whether its a standalone item, whether its incorporated with some other features, you know, retail and things like that or theres endless possibilities, but that would be a very important part towards moving forward is determines where it would be placed on the island and to what environment. So any way, just to summarize, to literally just just reconstruct the fountain is quite feasible, but in order to move forward, we need to find a place for it and how you would like to use it on the island. Thank you. Thank you very much, sir. Other speakers . Chair richardson, committee members, thank you very much for your attention to our presentation on the Pacific Basin fountain. We know your name, sir . Im sorry. Walt pilowski, Treasure Island museum. The historic important is clear. As youve heard me say so many times before, Treasure Island has these wonderful threats of history that continue in the present and into the future. And visitors to the fountain will not only be able to see the art and the history and the themes to the fair but the relevance to San Franciscos place on the pacific rim and the concerns we have today looking at china and korea. This fountain will have meaning that any visitor can find in it. The this is now or never for the fountain. We have a big island. Its in the process of being recreated. There must be space somewhere on the fountain on the island for the fountain. We certainly would love to have input into that discussion, but there are a lot of players and a lot of interests, and thats a discussion beyond our thinking today. There is funding for art on the island. There is a road map this preliminary study gives you and the developers a road map to start the discussion to begin thinking about the issues. It was generously funded by the Historic Preservation fund of the office of economic and workforce development, so all the pieces are here, probably for the last time in the fountains history, except for one critical piece, and that is your support. This fountain needs a champion, and that champion has to be tida. You are the owners and the stewards of those wonderful pieces of history, the covarrubias murals and the sotomayor fountain. You are the missing piece of the puzzle, and we need your help. Thank you. Well, thank you. Any other speakers . Yes, sir. My name is harvey smith. Im a local his totorian, and a project advisor to the living ideal. I have a support letter for you, but i just want to add a few more points that actually are are not in the letter. And i want to focus on the the aspect of the fountain that is that the and the whole fair, which was it was dedicated to peace. And i think thats something in todays world that we we need more reminders of. We need mormon umts to piece. San francisco played a key role with hosting the fair and five year years we need more monuments to peace. San francisco played a key role with hosting the fair and five years after that. We have other pieces, so this remaining work and the sculptures, i think are important for people to see. I also want to point out that this is not ordinary ter terra cotta. This is manufactured by glady mcbean, a company established in Northern California in 1875, and the company is still around. So i think that the fountain also evokes something thats intanable, and that you probably know, one of the nicknames for the island is the magic island, particularly during the fair. And i think this island evokes some of that magic, and i think its important for people to understand where their community has come from, and i think that theres a very critical important significant legacy thats in Treasure Island. And i think the more that we do to commemorate that, the more that enriches not only Treasure Island, but all of San Francisco and the bay area and beyond. Thank you. Thank you, sir. Any other speakers . [inaudible] there would be Public Comment. Are there any other speakers . Yes, sir. Go ahead. I im riley dody. Im a member of the board Heritage Foundation which is a National Foundation dedicated to the research and preservation of architectural ceramic. I want to comment on glady mcbeans work on the pacific fountain and its other work. I think im speaking to people with a pretty good sense of this but it deserves to be highlighted. Te the fountain was produced in the final phase of the companys glory years. Over several years, the company had manufactured facade elements for several of the citys prominent buildings. Skilled workers fabricated molds of various shapes. In all, glady mcbean supplies material for over 900 prom mentnent buildings in the city. Im just going to do a list of particulars. Daniel bernham, blakewell and brown, g. Albert lyinsburg, th call building, the hearst building, southern pacific building, the hobart building, San Francisco public library, now the asian art museum. Metropolitan insurance building, standard oil building, mark hopkins hotel, mission high school, pacific telephone and telegraph, the roost building, Saint Georges building, the opera house. The pacific fountain was glady mcbeans final major San Francisco commission. It capped off a remarkable recess m resume of work. Thank you, sir. Are there any other Public Comment . I do not see any. Let me at the all for taking the time to come out very early this morning to and your passion and the historic records. And i think just what can i say . Just to we extend our gratitude to you. Let me also take this opportunity here for all of you and for those that are watching, mr. Bilowski, your leadership on the Treasure Island museum, you are constantly up here advocating and working religiously, if i can say that. Youre conducting workshops, youre educating people. Let it be known that we consider the pacific fountain in our work plan of Treasure Island. We continue to support the museum. Why . Before we developed that island into what it needs to be, it had the history. And the history, when we look at Treasure Island as a point of destination, what are people coming to see . Yeah, later on, they might come in to look at the open space and all of that, but the historical landmark that we have, the art that we have, are going to be displays of attraction. When we were going out to look at this, we didnt mention no, its going to be a county place that people can come and learn about the bay area and history, so we already are supporting Treasure Island museum with particular to this art, yes. There will be extensive discussion. In fact, mr. Bilowski of record and on record on several occasions, weve been asking you and youve been updating us about the lost art of mr. Covarrubias. Ive been asking you is there going to be a movement into finding that lost art because we do know ultimately some lost arts do show up mysteriously. No, that is a passion, no. We do have a mission to produce art. Were going all over the world, regionally, locally, and everywhere, and im sure these individuals here are well versed in public and world art. We value historical things, and im sure collectively when we get to this discussion, we will talk about that. Our president talks about historical things all the time. So at this time, i am going to open this item for discussion. I see commissioner lei to start this off. Thank you. Commission okay, yeah, you can go in. You guys switch. Commissioner shen . Thanks for coming and educating us about this, bringing it to our attention and also doing a lot of the legwork and providing the analysis, which is really helpful. I think many of us here feel the same way about history and art as being important values and components of a vibrant community, and this does seem like a very rare occurrence of art and history kind of all mixed in one. This is an informational item so im just mostly going to be asking some questions to better understand the situation. Im not sure which one of you has worked on the analysis more, but i have a few questions related, so if someone can maybe standup to the penal codum . So i think the report basically assumes or is leaning towards an outdoor installation . And im just wondering what the advantages are with an outdoor to an indoor installation, and im just wondering if thats a concern to the group . Well, historically speaking, we cant bring that up. We just thought that should be considered for budget purpose. And since there is no site right now dedicated for the fountain, in order to come up with a number, we just made the assumption that it would be an outdoor site that mimicked the corridor pacifica where it existed until 1984. Specifically, i think thats something the committee would do in the planning process to try to figure out where it would best be cited. Were not advocating for a site. However, i did bring up the issues of citing just so you can just to come up with a budget number for planning because as an architect and engineer, the most important unit of our business is the dollar, and so thats an important thing to be considering when youre planning. In a broader sentence, though, the indoor site would protect the components of the fountain much better. It would not be subject to weathering and the like. However, outdoor would be fine. The fountain existed 50 years where it was at, and ter terra cotta is used on buildings often. Maintenance will have to be provided for, but outdoor can be used. Is that something you were considered, outdoor was a longterm solution, but maintenance would have to be considered. Yeah and , and if youre considering an indoor setting, you would have to plan it from the beginning which would be easier to install. And where was the corridor pacifica . What is that planned for, that area . [inaudible] yeah. It would be at the northern end of what currently is the job corps property. Would you like to step up to the podium so the audience at home can hear you . Sure. Its right next to where mercy is. Its to the east of mercy. Thats where it was, and the reason the navy said they had to move it was they wanted to pave it. Theres essentially a parking lot there. Oh, its where the parking lot is currently. Yeah. That was my next question, is why they had to demolish it in 94. So thats helpful. And then, this next set of questions is more directed to director beck. So where are we currently in our public art budget because i know that weve already selected a lot of the public artists for the major art sites that weve identified. No, i can answer that, commissioner shen. Art and i are on the committee and we are still on the going process. We have some sites were looking at, and like everything were looking at, there are some proposals that were looking at. Every art, skrculpture, etc. , will have to be looked at, so thats what were doing now. I remember about six months ago, we went through adopting the art plan and finalizing some plans for art park. Yes. People have made a number of proposals, and the committee has come back. We have not made any selection because you have this primary space, and what weve done is sent out some proposals to some artists to tell us about the concept. It its still at the conceptual stage now. And commissioner, you can jump in. We have a comprehensive plan for arts on the island for comprehensive pieces as well as art on the island. We can look at this, but i have some questions later, as well. Okay. Thank you for clarifying. Im just wondering how we can fit this art piece into our art plan and whether that would require any kind of amendment to the document or whether we have Authority Without going back into the document to cite this. Again, we have all kinds of concepts and ideas right now that have been entertained, and we are partners with the arts commission. So again, as commissioner shen said, its looking at the comprehensive, where we have everything belongs, it. Its not going to be that hasty decision. We have some space, and we have