Sheriff will oppose that motion for fees, and we can brief the board further if and when that happens. Excellent. So a bit more into the substance about the new processes and procedures that we will need to implement in order to meet the terms of this settlement . But i would first like to remind ourselves that this is a significant change to our criminal justice system, one that the mayor is pleased to partner with community and Public Safety partners, including the sheriff, the City Attorney, and the District Attorneys Office to provide expedited review to ensure that everyone is treated equally and fairly under the law regardless of their ability to pay. We are happy to lead in the significant reform of our criminal justice system, and as my presentation will point out, it will take time to ensure that we meet those terms. So im going to walkthrough a high level of the various points in time across this new willhour time period that the various criminal justice 18hour time period that the various criminal justice periods are involved. So within the first eight hours of an individual being booked, the supplement requires arrestee information, specifically, an own recognizance or o. R. Workup to be submitted to the superior court within eight hours of an individual being booked in jail. O. R. Workups are completed by the San Francisco pretrial diversion project, sfpdp. It includes a Safety Assessment as well as incident reports from the Police Department. I will note that this is such that the court has these a. R. Pacts within a. R. Packets within eight hours. We have had extensive conversations with our partners at the superior court who are committed to ensuring that the timelines of the buffin settlement are met and they do currently review. They do release assessments once a day seven days a week. They will at least do it twice a day and are assessing their operational reorganization to meet those terms. We have been discussing the important partner in this reform. So in order to ensure that the o. R. Workup that has to be submitted to the court within eight hours has the appropriate information provided under much more quickly expedited timeline, the Police Department and the supplemental have requested 1. 2 million in over time for ad stiministrative sergeants to review and submit incident reports within an expedited at the same lines. This will require additional supervisorial signoffs. Seeking an additional 2,000 in onetime i. T. Costs. San francisco diversion project is requesting 800,000 in order to Fund Additional positions as well as related Program Expenses for increased case loads. Another part of the buffin provision is that Law Enforcement officer may request a 12hour extension of this timeline if there are any notes Public Safety concerns. So that means that in our case, the District Attorney will need staff to review arrestee information in cases where it may want to share input relevant to the courts release determination or coordinate with the court in filing release for extensions . So the supplemental is requesting 325,000 to review incident reports, Safety Assessments and other things before the court makes release determinations. It will allow the d. A. To weighin on Public Safety concerns if and when appropriate a p. A. Recommends release. The Sheriffs Department must operationalize this new process which requires carefully tracking the times at which bookings are made and planning for releases and sfpdp as well as superior court. In addition, the departments are also required to collect new data and produce new reports for the federal court. So as a result, the Sheriffs Department and through the supplemental is seeking about 450,000, six months worth of overtime for one dedicated deputy per shift to ensure smooth implementation of this 247 process. Its just for the six months. We will revisit in the upcoming budget, but at this time, they dont foresee making that request at this time as well as 80,000 or so for additional analytical positions meet the requirement as outlined in the federal settlement. So in preparation, i will say to all of this, over the last three months, my office has worked with all of these partner agencies, held oneonone meetings, conversations, held group meetings, to wrap our minds around what best would be needed to implement the buffin supplement. We believe that weve presented to you a supplemental that both meets the goals of significant criminal justice reform. I am committed that the Mayors Office will work with these agencies as well as the Controllers Office over the next six months to both help with process mapping to define responsibilities and timelines, monitor timelines to ensure hiring, training, and teaching. With that, im happy to answer any questions or defer to any experts that are in the room with your specific questions. Chair fewer thank you very much. I think before we get into questions, can we hear from the b. L. A. , and madam b. L. A. , will you please give us a report for items seven and eight together . Thank you very much. The appropriation ordinance is on the 2. 9 million ordinance today. We summarize the spending on fable one in table one on page 20 of our report. In terms of our evaluation i do want to point out is that the Mayors Office did ask the City Services ougauditor to estimate the resource needs, but its not actually known what resource needs will be needed longterm. In terms of table three on page 22 for the Sheriffs Department, we are recommending a limited tenure position for 18 months, which we understand is sort of the critical period of Data Collection for this position. Sheriffs department is looking at overtime to add one Deputy Sheriff 247. We consider that reasonable. So our recommendation is to reduce the allocation to the San Francisco pretrial diversion project by 127,000. This is table three on page 22, and thats actually based on how they calculated the hiring of positions and adding of resources to that contract. The other reductions that we are recommending is in the District Attorneys Office, theyre adding, as i said, two attorneys and two victim witness investigator positions for weekend, night coverage, holiday coverage. In discussing with them what we actually decided to do in recommending those as limited tenure positions through the end of the next fiscal year to really give time to assess what the need it for the Attorneys Office to respond within the 18hour time frame required by the settlement agreement. And then, the other recommendation is within the Police Department which is adding overtime for seven sergeants at seven stations over the course of the year. Our recommendation is actually to reduce that by 619,000. Thats based not to much on the staff so much on the staffing calculation, its based on their spending numbers on overtime. We think theres sufficient money in the budget. So insummarizing our recommendation, its to reduce the supplemental appropriation from 2. 9 million to 2. 2 million and then amending the annual salary ordinance to reduce those positions to an 18month limited tenure position. Otherwise, wed recommend approval as amended. Chair fewer supervisor stefani . Supervisor stefani thank you, chair fewer. Yeah, just a few questions. Thank you, miss kirkpatrick, for your recommendation and deputy City Attorney jon givner. Right so now that the information has to be submitted to the superior court within eight hours of an individual being admitted to jail, what is the average time mantthat take . I think the average time is 24 hours, depending on when theyre booked, and the Court Reviews cases once a day seven days a week. They will be increasing that. If theres any further questions, ill defer to the side of the District Attorneys Office or deputy City Attorney, whos also joined. Supervisor stefani so im assuming because as a Police Officer would be creating an incident report and having to do it within a shorter timeline, that would then take that Police Officer off the street, off patrol, is that correct . I believe ill let the Police Department speak to the impact this operational timeline will have on them. Supervisor stefani this is placing the question on the Operational Impact in terms of timing and what it will do. Certainly. Im stand chief bob mosier, chief of staff. Id just like to say that the Police Department recognizes that during the budget approval process in june, we committed to coming back and discussing our progress in terms of overtime patrols. We recognize that the buffin decision has kind of pushed that conversation forward a little bit sooner, and we know we have actually had conversations with supervisor fewers office on the need to have those discussions, so we welcome to have those. In regards to the Operational Impacts, currently, when a Police Officer makes an arrest in the field, theres a series of activities that they have to do to complete those arrests. They include actually booking of the arrestee, which starts that clock, but it also includes booking of any evidence and subsequently writing that police report. In order to do all those activities, an officer has to be removed from the street. Currently under the time frame that we have, supervisors, sergeants on the street, and managers, lieutenants on the street have the ability to kind of flex the time that officers have in order to complete those reports based on what the concerns are out on the street. So in other words if its businessly abusy and theres a lot of calls for service, it allows supervisors under the current models to have officers book the prisoner and book the evidence and then hold that report until a later part of the shift maybe when calls for service are reduced or maybe a shift change when we have additional officers coming on from a staggering shift that provides a little bit more coverage. Not being able to flex that and compress the timeline that officers have to do those reports has a certain amount of operational challenges. So obviously, supervisors are going to have to be cognizant that those officers are going to have to be removed from the streets, even in cases where it may be busy out there, and theyre going to have to try to manage that as best as they can in order to comply with getting those reports completed in a timely manner. The other piece of the report is that its not just complete when the officer finishes it and writes the report. It has to go through two approval processes. The first process is the sergeant the street supervisor reviewing that report. Typically, thats the same person thats approved any booking charges on the case. It may be the same sergeant that went out to the scene to supervise at the scene. So that sergeant would then have to come off of the street to review that report and make any necessary corrections, to make sure that the report is complying with the law laws of arrest, probable cause, department policies, so on and so forth. Reque with having to come out in a compressed time, that presents challenges, too. We rely on our sergeants to be that front line for us to make sure that our policies and procedures are being met, to go to those really high privilege and sensitive calls for service to make sure that all of our our policies, procedures are being followed, including c. I. T. , use of force investigations, our c. I. T. Crisis Intervention Team model response, time and distance. Those are all crucial for a sergeant to respond to. So that compresses the timeline and our ability to be out there. Our number of sergeants, obviously is smaller than our number of officers so theres not as many to go around. And then, the final piece comes in the management piece, and thats the lieutenant. The lieutenant is taking a third look or a second look at the review of the report to make sure that the sergeant has got all of those elements, policies, procedures, and laws correct. And as the lieutenant has to come off the street, theres typically oonly one lieutenant on the street at any point in time so that makes that lieutenant unavailable or if we have a Major Incident we have the incident of how do you get that report done in a timely manner as opposed to an incident out on the street that requires that streetlevel management. So there certainly are operational concerns. They magnify when we have busier days in the city, as you can imagine, when calls increase. Theres a lot more need for officers on the street and street supervision, so were definitely going to have to balance that. Supervisor stefani okay. Thank you and on page five of the presentation, there is a way that, it says, within an 18hour period, a Law Enforcement officer may request a 12hour extension depending on what that situation looks like. Ill allow interim d. A. Sus susie loftus to answer that for you. Good morning, supervisors. Susie loftus, interim District Attorney. So when you put those regulations in place for more complicated cases, it could be a murder case, a rape case, some of those statutory complications that would have made them ineligible for release would now make them eligible for release. So what we have to do is have a system in place that we can work with the District Attorneys Office so that they can work with the District Attorneys Office to work with the Police Department and get the court the information they need about potential Public Safety considerations. Supervisor stefani okay. And one thing that im concerned about i am concerned with a timeline with the suggestion in the reduction in overtime, that its so important that we get incident reports right, and its so important that Police Officers are able to take the time necessary so that when its taken to trial, that report is as great as it can be because it will be challenged in an adversarial system by a public defender. So we know that reports can be challenged right out of the gate. Ive read thousands of report being a former prosecutor myself, as you know. And many times even before charging had to send those back to the Police Department to have them worked up in certain ways and have questions asked certain ways, new witnesses, whatever. So im concerned with this new way of doing business, that if we dont get it right straight out of the gate, that and we limit our officers abilities to do a good job. I would like to hear a little bit more from the budget and legislative analyst based on the old way of doing business and now a new way that this would be something that you would recommend at this time. I feel like having to go from 24 to 48 hours into eight to 18 into a process to request longer time, how is this going to affect our officers ability to write good reports . Would you like to yes, supervisor stefani, through the chair. I think as i said in our presentation, the overtime of 1. 2 million is based on the seven sergeants staffing the seven busiest sections of the city. We are basing that on overtime spending to date in the current fiscal year compared to what was budgeted. And based on a Straight Line projection, we saw there was going to be a surplus of about 2 million in the current year. Because of that, we thought they would have the ability to absorb at least a portion of the over time. Supervisor stefani okay. But have we taken into consideration foot beat officers . Maybe i should turn to the Police Department and say what would be the consequences of not giving you your requested overtime with regards to this legislation . I do want to provide a response to the b. L. A. Information . As of today, our over time out of the general fund is 6. 2 million. With the resources that would be required to meet the demands of the buffin decision, we dont have sufficient budget to cover these Additional Resources and demands, and it would affect us with if the our requests were reduced. Supervisor stefani did you want to i think, if i may, patrick. Certainly, to speak to your question about other demands that are on the department, as we know, theres a myriad of new demands that have affected the department, and youve mentioned a few of them in terms of vision zero efforts certainly, our use of force and deescalation efforts, those take time, and they take people off the streets. Deescalation is a perfect example. The whole idea is to take time and use it to our advantage to reduce force, and think weve been very successful at it, and we look at the use of force numbers and how theyve been reduced. Certainly, that if were compressing the timelines that officers have to complete reports and supervisors have to review those reports, we realize that thats going to have a constraint on time in the field. So certainly, all of those different aspects, they add to it. Body cameras, body cameras have been very successful for the department, but they take time. They take time in the review process. When the officer sits down to write that report, they have to review that body camera to make sure theyre getting it right. So it all adds into the mix of time and constraints that are put on the department. Supervisor stefani okay. Those are my questions for now. Chair fewer okay. Thank you. Supervisor mandelman . Supervisor mandelman yeah. I want to dig in a little bit more on this Police Overtime question. Sorry. And i do this as a supervisor, you know, whos asking for more officers on the street in my district, and im grateful for grateful for it when i get that. And i know that given the challenge that youre asking with Getting Police new recruits through the academy that were having to rely on overtime to do some of this work that were asking your department to do. But theres also a limit on how much overtime the department can deliver you cant work people 90hour weeks. And so what the b. L. A. Is asserting is not that theyre not that there would not be a need for overtime, but so far this year, the department isnt spending the overtime that they have been given. So im just trying to understand that a little bit more. Is there a reason why the the spend on overtime would have been slower at this point Going Forward than at the end of the fiscal year . Certainly. In terms of numbers of what our overtime spending have been, i would have to defer to our c. F. O. Im certainly happy to talk about the impacts of why the asks for the seven supervisors supervisor mandelman i guess why you need overtime. Its just that what that 2 million figure may suggest that given the person power, that youre having problems getting that overtime power on the street and spending it. And in that case, the b. L. A. s suggestion seems reasonable that we would tap into that 2 million that hasnt been spent. Im just trying to see the overtime allotted and how were doing that. Our over time expansions, they fluctuate based on events that are happening throughout the city. With regard to our spending patterns, the Straight Line projection that the b. L. A. Is using, it was based on it doesnt take into account pay periods that havent been posted. So if youre going to use a Straight Line projection as of today, then yet, it would under it would underestimate or actual expanders because theyre expanders that have not been posted. Supervisor mandelman but 2 million, though . Not 2 million, but we do have other expanders that havent been posted. Supervisors, kathrin mcguire. Strategic bureau, executive director. I think to add to patricks comment, some of the biggest payments happen at the end of the period. Its pride. Its traditionally around 1 million. Supervisor mandelman you save some for that. Correct. We always have to make sure we hit that number. I cant speak to the methodology that the b. L. A. Used for their Straight Line projection, but the 6. 3 million that were seeing spent seems to indicate that we will spend everything. Supervisor mandelman okay. So then, the other question i have, then, is so we do and theres this tension between the board and myself asking you to get a handle on your over time and then asking for these additional services. But when we went through the budget process, there was a lot of talk about how we needed to think more about Police Overtime and the controllers recommendation and where the department was, and there was, i believe, a commitment to come back to this committee with a discussion of where we were on implementing what the control i think the controller, is that right . Controller recommendations . What i believe the controller had recommended. And if the answer to all of that if the result of that hearing was supervisor, were having trouble recruiting. You guys are asking us for additional things, and therefore were going to have an overtime budget annually thats going to be tens of millions of dollars until we figure out our recruitment challenges, that wouldnt be an answer that we want, but we would have still had that conversation. So when are we anticipating having that conversation about over time use of overtime in the department . Certainly. As i had mentioned earlier, we were welcome to have that conversation. We were actually in the process of pushing that conversation and the buffin decision accelerated that to a certain extent. I cant talk to some of the things that weve done and some of the policies and procedures that weve put in place since june regarding overtime and overtime controls. Weve developed new comprehensive overtime reports that were pushing out to management at the station and unit level that helps captains and supervisors at that level. [please stand by]. Is there something that we can pull other officers, other resources to help that officer out to kind of lighten the load and spread the workload out so that officers not going to go into an extended overtime shift or it will cut the time that an officer has to write. Or is it something that we can cut to the next shift or have an officer thats coming on the next shift to work on that. So weve been cutting that bulletins and distributing that to our sergeants and lieutenants to have that conversation. Its certainly something that weve been working diligently towards. Weve been working at this on a deeper level. It cant just be reports. It has to happen at education on a deeper level, and we have to have those reports. Supervisor mandelman and has there been thought on thank you for that report back, but have there been thoughts of a fuller report to this committee, something along the lines of what we talked about during budget . I dont know the exact timeline, but i know we have been in the process of doing that when the buffin decision came down, and that fast tracked that for us. We have been in conversation with supervisor fewers office about the need to do that, so we have been moving in that direction. Supervisor mandelman okay. Thank you. Thank you. Chair fewer okay. So for clarification, mr. Patrick, its my understanding that you have worked closely with the city departments around this budget. And now im hearing maybe is there a little discrepancy. Is that true or are we still on track and i understood or was made to understand that the b. L. A. Recommendations were actually agreeable to all parties. Is that something thats contrary to what im hearing now . It is my understanding that the Police Department, while outlining certain potential concerns about the Operational Impacts that buffin will have and the over time needed, that given that this is new, that they believe that they can make the b. L. A. Recommendations work. They do believe, though, that there are that there are systems in place that they have done to better manage o. T. That were not highlighted in the b. L. A. Report and are happy, as a. C. Mosier said, to come back and review those controls. Chair fewer during our budget process for the following year because we are just starting this now. I just want to say, mr. Patrick, that i was under the impression that you have been working closely with our city departments, and that everyone is in agreement, and i did not hear any dissention prior to the b. L. A. I am happy to continue this item. I thought we were in agreement, but perhaps i am hearing that we are not in agreement which is a little disturbing because i was made to believe that we were all in agreement, so perhaps you can just clarify. Are you in agreement or are you not . The department believes they can make the recommendations work that the b. L. A. Has provided. Theyve raised questions around that, but the department will meet the terms of buffin. We will evaluate over the next six months what is needed. If i can just make chair fewer i have a series of questions. Ill wait. Chair fewer thank you very much. What are the stations that well see get over time or q50s or is it q60s or q2s. Supervisor mandelman for the civilians, what are those . Chair fewer oh, im sorry. Thats a sergeant. My husband was a sergeant. What are the stations that youll be looking at . Mission, tenderloin, southern, and it would be bayview and ingleside. Chair fewer so my concern, assistant assistant chief . Correct. Chair fewer so my concerns, assistant chief, is not so much about the level of time, because actually, we are in constant conversation with can the chief and h. R. About with the chief and h. R. About overtime. We know that much of the overtime is mandatory overtime for Police Officers. I think my concern is these outlying stations that will not be receiving any of this overtime money. And i think there is a belief that some of these outlying stations not getting any of these resources, yet it applies to everyone in San Francisco. So that is, i think, my concern, quite frankly, is that its not as though these stations we understand that these stations are not quite the busiest stations, but has there been any calculations done about the impact, what it would mean about these outlying stations, i would think ingleside, taraval, richmond station, park station, so it seems as though were leaving out some stations that would not be getting these added resources. Can you respond, please . Yeah. So basically, when we were looking at this, and trying to determine what we felt was the best course of action under this timeline, we really based that on the number of arrest reports we were getting. And we looked at where the bulk of the arrest reports were coming in from, and it came down to these seven stations in the city that were the bulk of these arrests. And thats how we looked at it. Chair fewer and these outlying stations, they also make considers, do they not . They also make arrests, do they not . Yes. Chair fewer and they would have to make reports and determinations, as well . They would. But its really the amount of arrests thats coming in on a given day for the stations, and thats what we looked at. Chair fewer correct. So i would say in the upcoming looks at the budget for the fiscal year, i would like to see some data about these outlying station, if theres additional funding to cover the buffin agreement on these outlying stations that could also have very businey periods time also, is that possible . Okay. And what is the actual writing of these reports . Is it online or on paper . Its online. The officer will come back to the station and write the physical report on the computers at the station. And typically, with an arrest report, theyre going to be they have to come back to the station for a variety of functions, some of whom i had already mentioned. Number one, for booking the custody, then booking the evidence and any anslar paperwoanslar ancillary paperwork this th that they might have to complete. Chair fewer okay. So they have to report back to the station to submit this. So is there a plan to improve the efficiency or of this process to speed it up at all . Have we looked at any different strategies to actually expedite this process . Well, i know that theres been conversations about our actual report writing system and how that how that affects our Current Council member . Chair fewer so are affe Current System . Chair fewer and you expect when this is implemented, it would expedite the process somewhat . It could i dont thats more of a technology question, and i dont have all the answers to that, but there is with new systems, there does come the ability to stream line the report writing system. Chair fewer okay. So maybe when we are reporting back on the outlying stations, deidre, if you dont mind, we would include also about the results of the expedited report writing program. Thank you very much. And i think i have questions for the sheriff. Do we have an estimated impact on the overall jail impact numbers . No. I think that theres been some thought put into that, but it seems it may be a little bit static. There may be a little bit of an increase, but this may be a little bit of a reduction. When we talked about this, people are getting out, theyre just not getting out quickly enough, and thats what buffin is about. Thats one of the things that its about, and thats one of the thing that we have worked on during this mediation. I think were about four people that are bailing per day on the bail schedule, and so thatll change, and so those people may or may not be eligible to be let out on pretrial release. I just want to ma supervisor stefani i just want to make sure that we see the results of the controllers analysis over the next six months to make sure that we get this right, and that we continue to get it right as we go through this new process, so again, these were my questions, and very nervous that we do have enough patrol officers out on the streets, and again, thank you for your service. Chair fewer thank you very much. I would also like to ask the sheriff im so sorry. I should have asked you. It says on page seven, that the department is required to collect new data and issue new reports. Can you tell me what those reports are . I didnt bring the list, but theres a list of about ten new reports. So data regarding the operation of section two, that basically means data regarding the arrestees deemed ineligible for pretrial release according to section 2b and thats people that have violent crimes. Data regarding automatic releases pursuant to section 2, which means if we do not meet the timelines, that the sheriff might have to release somebody on a civrisk assessment. Data regarding the number of affidavits submitted by peace officers pursuant to that would be 1269, the request to continue them in custody while due to the fact that they might be a Public Safety risk if they dot out, and data regarding the number of arrestees pursuant to section 4 and 5 and the data of timing. Chair fewer great. And we will have access to these reports after theyre produced, is that correct . Yes. Theyre going to be presented to the plaintiffs and to the court, and im sure theyll be public knowledge, too. Chair fewer thats great. Because i actually think that information will be really important. And im sure the Controllers Office will be using them to assess how well were doing, as well. Yes. Thats great. Okay. Lets see now. So before us today, lets open this up for Public Comment. Are there any members of the public that would like to comment on items seven or eight. Seeing none, Public Comment is now closed. So committee, before us, we have an amendment that is being recommended by our budget and legislative analysts. So id like to make a motion to approve item number seven. Clerk oh, madam chair, i believe that the Mayors Office also submitted amendments. Chair fewer oh, yes. So id like to make a motion to approve amendments submitted by the mayor and the City Attorney. And we can pass those today and take those without objection. Thank you very much. And then, id like to move forward and a positive recommendation on items seven and eight as amended. And if we can take that without objection, thank you very much. Thank you all for coming in to answer these questions today. Madam clerk, can you please call item number nine. [agenda item read] [inaudible] we sort of needed to do this concurrently. So again, the legislation before you is outlining that were going to be collecting this tax should it pass on a monthly base and it keeps all of the other administrative provisions consistent with our other business practices. And im happy to answer any questions. Chair fewer thank you very much. And there is no b. L. A. Report on this. Any comments or questions from my colleagues . Seeing none, id like to open this up for Public Comment. Any members of the public like to comment on item number nine . Seeing none, Public Comment is closed. Seeing no other questions or comments, id like to make a motion to approve this with a full recommendation to the board. And madam clerk, is there any other items before us today . Clerk no. Chair fewer and we are adjourned. My name is jean alexander. Im an attorney in the San Francisco city Attorneys Office. I supervise the tax team, giving tax advice to the treasurer, tax collect or, drafting tax legislation. 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