Supervisor furer. Yes, thank you very much. And i want to thank my colleagues, and supervisor stephanie for her comment. I want to push back a bill lit anlittle bit and i say this as a wife of a husband who worked as a San FranciscoPolice Officer for 35 years. My husband has worked in, i think, pretty dicey units, undercover, narcotic, he was a specialist, on a specialist team, a training office, a whole variety. And so, i want to just say that we can look back at 2015, but none of us sitting her here in. I think the conversations that happened then extend to what were discussing now. I understand were looking at a jail number and that does not tell the whole picture of our jail system. I think to really evaluate our opportunities, to lower the rate of people incarcerated, we cant look at jail number four. This is not true of jail number five or jail number two. We havent seen those numbers yet. This report is a narrow scope. We talk about jail number four, it is inadequate and doing a disservice on the board of supervisors because we have to look at a jail system in the whole entirety and that means there are other jails and other possibilities. When i am looking, actually, at some of the other reports that are before us, we see that a majority of people really are 61 to 62 are released within 96 hours. We look at people who spend overall time and a lot are released within the week and we see a lot of movement already within our jail facilities. Yes, the stats on jail number four are frightening and we are just looking at one jail. We dont have just one jail in San Francisco. We have a couple of jails in San Francisco and if you look at jail number two, which, of course, well put a kitchen in, and be more functional, i think together we have not looked at actually everything we can do at the pretrial. I dont think weve looked at other strategies. We do a great job with pretrial, actually and thats a lowhanging fruit. I think we can do more with pretrial. Thats not to say that while were doing a great job, we should just keep doing what were doing. But i want to push this board to think about what else could we do the next step with pretrial. I also have some questions about how to further reduce the jail population but using the strategies that we know work and some that are not working, how can we refine them to work for this population . I have been out to the San Francisco jail multiple times as a school board commissioner, as im sure some of my colleagues on the board have, and we have looked at Charter Schools and the amount of graduates that have failed and how many actually get their ged and high school diplomas. All of this reducing the jail population isnt just about the jail or just about number five, number 4 or two but what happens after theyre released from jail. As we heard this morning, if we just reduce 60 , we could be reducing a significant amount, actually, of people who are incarcerated on a daily bases by doing one of these strategies. I just want to encourage us i understand about Public Safety and the reason i mentioned my husband, also, im not someone who is soft and quite frankly, yes, i think we all know people who have been victims of heinous, horrible crimes but to say county number 4 is a representation of the whole jail system is simply not true and i dont want that on this item. So i felt like i had to say that. Thank you, miss green. Thank you, supervisor, and thank you so much for your presentation and for answering a lot of questions that maybe youre not usually engaging in, but i appreciate your openness and your sense of whats happening. So i appreciate it. Next up, i want to invite sheriff hennessey is here who, as we all understand has a very significant role with this right now but also really a sense of how we got here and what the next steps should be. So we appreciate you being here. Good afternoon, supervisors. Thank you very much for having this hearing. I think it is a very important hearing and its important to understand how well close county jail. I dont understand how well doing it in terms of getting it closed without having some place to put people or have people live. One of the disappointments is a sheriff coming in and not approving the reduced rehabilitation facility is that ive been trying for four years now to get an alternative to county jail and i havent had traction because, obviously, theres not much of an appetite to build a new facility, even though people are living in that horrible facility for four years its been one of the most congressing placedepresses placo visit. I would also say that i agree with supervisor furer, you cant ask this question without looking at the entire jail system, so the focus on county jail four is not where we should be looking but looking act the entire jail system and what to do there. As you know, i participated what was called the reenvisioning after the decision was made not to build the jail and i think a lot came out of that process but it has not reduced the jail population the way we thought it could. It did get people out safely who could be let out safely, pretrial. I would say, supervisor, that when you characterize people in our jails as 90 or 93 pretrial and not having been convicted, a lot of the people in our jails, and youll see from a presentation, have holds. And theyre not just there because of one charge. And so, theres a lot of nuance that goes along with this. And the other thing i would also like to say to you is that the jail population is not static. These are not the same people coming back. These are new people coming into our city, new people coming into our jails. So if you just plan for the fact that the people that are here today, thats not the right thing but for the people coming later and obviously, the ideal situation would be that nobody would come to jail but thats not the case. So i just wanted to comment quickly on the budget analyst acreport. The jail rate is high in San Francisco, 2 something dollars per person, but its high because of all of the programs we provide in San Francisco. Thats one of the reasons its high, the good medical care and the general healthcare and the programs and all of these things contribute to that. So i wanted to make sure youre aware of that. I think thats it for now. Let me introduce lieutenant buoy from Technical Services and youll run that for me and i have people behind me that i should introduce them, as well. I have sheriff matt freeman here, assistant sheriff kathy johnson, chief deputy paul miamoto here and ali reiker and lisa pratt who is our jail medical officer. And i want to thank the other presenters, the budget analyst, tara, and also heather for all of the work they have done. So well start with our presentation. Let see, where are we . So this is just kind of an overview of who comes to jail and one effort things we did was drilled down a little bit more on how many times people come into jail and youll see that more than 30 of the people booked into the county jail each year are firsttime books in San Francisco. And consequently, the other thing that youll see, there are a number of people that are booked into the jails each year. One time is 71 , but its about 30 people, 30 of the people who are booked more than one time that come into our jails. This slide shows less criminal matters and more people are released on division over the last three fiscal years. Dismissed review by the District Attorney. None of the things that are important didnt this goes to the mcarthur grant thats going on right now. On october 10, 90 pip 90 peoplen custody had a court return date and 70 had one 75 days in the future and ten people had sentencing dates more than 100 days in the future and those people are in our jails and including one person with a sentencing date that was set 356 days into the future. So thats one of the items that the mcarthur grant will be looking at. Why does this sentencing date get set that far out . The prerogative of the courts and could be the public defender asks for it or the public defender. I dont know and thats one of the things the mcarthur grant will be trying to find out. Right now were looking at the fiscal years and releases on bail have declined dramatically. Youll see here from the yellow loiline from the top. Alternatives to inarso incarcere increased and the population has remained static. You will see the jail population at 1258 and 1316 as of 18, 19, with the average daily population so its gone up a little bit. Pout youll also see the sheriffs alternatives to incarceration have gone up at the bottom and thats because of the use of electronic monitoring by the courts. And in pretrial electronic monitoring, theres been a dramatic average, daily increase by the courts with the use of that and this is just taking the snapshot of that, looking at that for the fiscal year 1819. The most serious offense was used, even though people have multiple charges and they represent persons on electronic monitoring during the period and these are not unduplicated criminal defendants. As a person, they may have been rearrested and released by the court. Increasingly the courts are releasing persons with serious onlinepointsfelonies to or. So the next one is march 2016 to march 2019 and this tells you more about the psa, San Francisco pretrial and how they work and they release people on a Certification Management with minimum supervision 25 of the time and new supervision at all, 30 . Thats the recommendation from the courts. The court is the one that makes this decision and this may or may not reflect what the recommendation was. This is just the ethnicity. If its booked, its static. As we mentioned in county jail four, 35 of African Americans and however, they represent 39 of the books. For the year in 1718 and 1819 and the 26 to 35yearold age group is the most represented group. Thats in our books. So the next few pages are snapshot data of angit active cs on july 31st of 2019. So on 31st, this is what we had, 3 3100 people in jail. They were not released due to no bail designation by the courts and well dig down sow can see what thiso you cansee what thiss from various agency. Agencies. That left 185 people for review. Who are they . First we start with the people and show you the list, the next page and youll see where everybody was. So when we talk about 150 in jail processing, that means they were waiting for classification or release and most likely, they were waiting for classification and some for release, so they were in transit and we didnt count those. Safe keep, we still have seven federal prisoners and you could reduce the amount by that. We have five others for various agencies. Sometimes theyre from other agencies and sometimes from the hill might have somebodsamateo. We had the number of local charges from other counties. Theres post community released super, thats probation and there were 52 brought in and either revoked or waiting for some other type of review. And then we also have probation violation and revocation and thats where the District Attorney decides not to go on the charges but files a motion to revoke. Cases with no bond set by the court is 427. Whats the different between post release and Community Supervision . It depends where they come from. It depends. Probation is revoking them and probation violation is a full revocation. So it may be the probation iim sorry, this is a post increased incarceration by probation. So then we go down to 427 cases with no bond by the courts and that means no bail. The serious open cases with 500,000 more set by the courts. And this is not the bail schedule. I just want to make sure that people understand that. And then there were 20 people on this date sentenced to prison or sentenced to prison but still had future court dates and not leaving yet for prison. And then we had 39 sentenced to county jail. And well go down on a few of these in a minute. So 86 of people are not eligible or likely to be released from jail prior t to final aadjudication and there was bail at an amount of 500,000 or more. The next dat next page drills dn those people and then a bond. And then of the 105, there were 510 days length of i stay and 65 acts they were booked on. You can see what the percentages are. Crimes against a person and then top angtive crimes, property, drugs and weapons and ill point you to seconddegree burglary, 63, youll see that, because in San Francisco, property crimes are one of the highest and thats where that comes from. We go to the next one, 185 people remaining in custody, in review for custody. And these are people charged with seconddegree burglary. Now were looking at the 185 people that are left over. From the previous slide and of those people charged with second burglary, they had been releasey released but returned to custody for failing to return to court or charged with a new case. So you look at 28, on 7 31 and this is different. 7 31 snapshot and looked to see where they were a month later, just to give an idea of how people move through the system a little bit. So you see we had 23 there at 7 31 but only 21 left. So so when you look at this group of people, this 185 left over, four were charged with misdemeanors and three had nosite bench warrants and two were in Domestic Court of those. Many people are out on electronic monitoring if the judge feet theyr feels theyreo and the recommendation and theres a lot of factors that play into it. But the people here have serious criminal histories and then 39 in custody were stance stepsed o county jail. The 39 was up above but i wanted to talk about why people are in county jail and havent been released to alternatives in county jail because thats something the sheriff as the ability to manage. And 39 of those were sentenced to county jail and three in prereview and two were in the review status and two with previous ben bench warrants ande people with noneligible charges. Theres protective order out against that person and the charges were not eligible for release. Some of those were 1170 hpss and theres a requirement that you spend time if jail before you are eligible for release and they would be reviewed two active parole holds and three returned to custody because they didnt do that. One of the things i wanted to add and i think tara touched on this is that in may of this year, in jail, we have robust programs in our county jails and thats something im proud of and its important and we introduced milestone credits and people who are in jail and actively participating in our jail programs can earn milestone credits which can earn time off from their sentences. As of two days ago, we had 280 credits issued, 1,096 jail days were saved. If somebody gets sentenced to stale prison who has milestone credits, we make an effort to let the judge know that so the judge can give credit during the sentencing phase. So just because i know we are very concerned with people with Mental Illness in our jails, i wanted to make sure that we had we pointed out 49 of the 185 that were remaining at that lowhanging fruit, should i say, in the group, were in psychiatric housing. These are the charges for the people in psychiatric housing. This is what happened to them. One of the things you notice between july 31st and august 31st, they went more time in jail and theyll stay longer, most likely. So the next page is this is something it has nothing to do with july 31st but has to do with august 23rd. We wanted to put this up here. These do not count count the additional number on bail. But if you see what our count would be, the red number is how many people we would have in jail if we didnt have these alternatives to incarceration that we have put up there. And the point is that San Francisco does not engage in mass incarceration. Weve been a leader in this area. Dr. James austin that is working with tara on the mcarthur grant, as well, he did a report in 2014 and again and updated in 2018 and the title of the report is San Francisco countys lip elimination of mass incarceration. We have Racial Disparity in our system, to doubt about that. So this last page is about closing county jail four. So supervisor hainey, you asked whose responsibility is it and you asked heather. Its my responsibility to run a jail and i take that obligation extremely seriously and we do our best to run a safe, humane jail, even with the challenge like county jail four. Believe me, county jail four presents a challenge and county jail four is not a jail that should still be open. Its one of, i feel, like a failure in my administration that we havent been able to get beyond this to have a way for people to stay in the conditions they have to stay in in county jail four. That includes both of the incarcerated people and the staff that have to work there. So in order to close county jail four, this is the sheriff speaking, my recommendations continue to invest in community, mental health, Substance Abuse and supported housing to include those exiting the jail, because we know theres competition out there right now. Theres all kinds of competition. And people are getting left in jail because the competition is so great on the outside. Thats for people in the community to get into services. Continue to support a robust, safe Pretrial Release Program and safe is the operative word here and i think the fact that our Pretrial Release Program includes a casing management, i think that has really ive seen a big difference and thats been a path for people to get connected with services and its been a good path, but even there, having trouble finding beds for people. And then invest in Additional Mental Health treatment and Substance Abuse programs for those incarcerated and giving us the proper environment and location to serve the people that are in our facilities. And so the primary responsibility is to invest in a humane and safe jail facilities for those incarcerated. Im not doing against what we can to get people out of jail safely but im a pragmatist and understand that we did have a good plan in 2015. Thats a plan that worked for nine years. I didnt get into office january of 2016, and i was disappointed, but you threw myself full hit to see what we could do. And i came to the conclusion with 30 of people coming in, new people coming into our jails and with the length of stay we have and i think well see some movement from the mcarthur gra grant, but once again, thats the courts. My number one is to revive the proposal as directed by the capital plan for nine years and build a new facility for the proposed justice campus to include 31 384 beds, including sheriff support functions, a transport hub, enter ru intervis for court, records, units and other functions now spread out. That to me is the right thing to do, the cheapest thing do in the long run and weve spent tons of money studies alternatives and we havent come up with anything. I did broach a proposal in 2017 to begin renovating county jail six at estimated cost of 200 million to include a Vocational Training area for opening by 2024. If we started today, we might have it open by 2024. And this is not the optimum plan because youll be transporting people back and forth and youll need Holding Cells built here and youll have the kitchen. Theres a lot of things that go into this. And then the current 2019 proposal that came out yesterday. Close county jail four by 2021. And begin planning for comprehensive justice campus, including appropriate number of beds to be occupied by 2030. By 2030. I wont be sheriff there. [ laughter ] but by 2030. So that seems kind of outrageous to me and the only way to accomplish that or any of these, really now, because weve waited for so long, is to send people somewhere else. If we cant close county jail four any other way, well have to figure out where will they go . And how will we do that . And the only thing thats really an option right now is almeda county and weve done the research. Yes, weve gone there and walked through th the facilities. They closed the jail in oakland and we looked into that. Its extremely prohibitively expensive. This is a horrible plan because it separates people from their families and Legal Counsel and support groups. Were about to offer free phone calls in their county jails. We cant guarantee that in other jails. We will have no commission commissary. The one thats the farthest out is option number three. This is the right thing to do is we should have done it in 2015 and we didnt and now were here. This was predicted and predicted during the revisioning that we would be here and that we would have to send people out of county and its not something ivilike. We had to send people out of county back in the early 1990s for many years and it was a terrible, to Alameda County, by the way. Any questions . Im guessing there are probably a few. One thing that i can clarify hold up, supervisor hainey. It does violate the boards rules to have signs up, so maybe we can recess, i guess. Thats your choice. Well take a fiveminute recess. We will have this chamber be a place where presenters can make a presentation and where members of the board can deliberate. We ask that folks sit down, if you could. Great. So where were we . Supervisor h araine . Y . In terms of the third option that was announced yesterday, do you have cap you provid ca sense of what that will involve and what the process is around that . I mean, if were talking about a new facility that is unclear what would be opening in 2030, what will happen between now and then . My understanding is if the hall of justice is closed and the count is where it is now, that well have to have some place for people go. Will you make that decision . What role will we have . A contract would come your way to approve. Part of what i was hoping to have is more of an indepth discussion of what the immediate next steps will be . So are you involved directly in coming up with what that plan will be or do you expect that will be the sheriffs view . This was announced yesterday and i dont think theres a lot of discussion about that. I had preliminary discussions with the mayor who mentioned that she was headed in that direction and then the announcement came yesterday. And do you believe that the mayors understanding is that these individuals incarcerated in county jail four will be sent to Alameda County . I believe she believes thats the most likely alternative but there are no others, that im aware of. Supervisor walton . Thank you so much for your presentation. As i look at your last slide, i appreciate the focus in terms of of mental health, Substance Abuse, housing to increase capacity to include those exiting from jail because we know people with stable homes, people with stable jobs, people with stable families and support system are lets likely to reohh fenreoffend or offend in the fit place. As i look at the said you said something in the beginning of your comments that i just want to say that i disagree but you said theres no appetite to build a new facility. Thats not the case. Theres no an appetite to builda new one and a new jail. Thats where the discrepancy is. Go ahead, im sorry. And im also struggling with the statement of, theres a bunch of problems i programs inm pertaining to 850. As you know, theres a linear jail and one place, and the space isnt that big. Its small. One place where anybody can go to have any type of programming. So that does not apply when we talk about 850. My question is this, because i know that the department wasnt necessarily excited about 2015 and the plan and the no new jail mantra, because other folks are focused on what we can do more in line with the safety and justice challenge, but i see from yesterdays coincident, 222 bids in the system and that doesnt count the available bids and jail number four. If we focus on a rehabilitative motto and changes and 222 bids right now and not counting the bids in 850, why hasnt there been a focus on what else you can do focus on coming up with a strategy that we have to send folks out of county . I think that youre mischaracterizing some of what we have been doing. Weve been doing our best to get people out of our jails. Weve been doing electronic monitoring so that the judges would agree to let more people out of jail. So we are doing a lot to get people out and there programs at county jail. When you visited, there was a Behavioral Health pod in the area and since then weve closed that and moved that to county jail five and now a roads to recovery is out of the county jail four. Its not perfect but we do what we span therwhatwe can. Theres a gym now and thats one of the best things and youre right, its difficult to do quality programs at that location. But we haves childparent visiting. My question was specific to i havent mischaracterized anything because i agree were doing a lot of things that keep people from reoffending but with 222 Spaces Available from yesterdays count, not counting the available bids at county jail number four, knowing that the safety and what is it, safety and justice challenge. Justice challenge is in place and there goes with what their plans are. Why is the only focus on closure of the jail including outofcounty placement . Well, 220 beds is the issue. When you look at the beds. If some are vacant in the womens jail, we cant sell those. We can make sure were putting people together who need to be together. Its not like a hotel. We dont treat it like a hotel or put anybody in with anybody. We make sure were putting people together that will get along or be safe. I think we have a good safety record. So when you look at the jail count, remember, theres a 10 to 15 classification variable. Im look at that and understanding the variables and the goal of maybe opening up 280 more spaces in terms of keeping people from coming back. We have 1300 in the jail everyday and down to a 1,000 and if we do things right and in accordance with that plan. But with that said, why are we not focused on coming up with a better plan than sending folks out of county . I dont have a better plan, supervisor. I think that weve looked around. We have plenty of programs in other places. We have ro robust release polic, alternatives to incarceration but the judges are the people who put people in jail and people people in jail, not the sheriff. My hope and my plan is that we work on a better plan than whats been put in front of us, because there are things that we can do differently and so i hope as we move forward there is a better plan versus crossing our arms and saying we didnt get what we wanted in 2015 and well keep bringing that up. I think thats fair to say im crossing my arms and saying that, dinne since i worked diliy on the plan and did as much as i could. One of the reasons we did so many out today is because of the work the sheriff did to make that happen. I wouldnt take that personally. I wont. But we need a better alternative, in my opinion. I think whoever the number sheriff is will be welcomed to work with anybody if theres a plan. I would say i hope the safety and justice talents could make headway but as james austin said, he said weve done what we can do and these are the two areas we need to look at and well be looking at them. The Sheriffs Department is also a part of that process. And i do want to just end on this note and say, thank you so much for your work. I do appreciate your leadership and i just want you to know i want whats best for the folks in 850 and that goes for the employees, with People Housing the jail and i just think we can do much better coming up with an alternative to what exists right now. Supervisor furer. Is supervisor morrow here . I would like to call him up. Thank you, sheriff. So as i mentioned earlier in this conversation, is that i am looking at the success of triall services an an alternative to incarceration and speaking about how to expand it. So i want to ask basic questions and forgive me for not knowing this. At the next court date, our staff will provide a written report to the judges and then we make a decision at that point. Do you make a recommendation . We give the judges information and they can determine the next step. Do you know the number of people that actually are remanded back to incarceration . No, but were work on that right now for you. I think that would be helpful. You know, i am wondering how many people are eligible for a second look program. Meaning that maybe those that we might have thought doesnt meet the initial requirements or special for pretrial, but maybe people with a little bit more support or more resources could be successful in this program. Could you talk about that . From our perspective, i dont think theres anybody that shouldnt be eligible for a second look. There are always opportunities to connect them with more resources, more programs and our perspective on a second look, we get to spend more time and dig deeper into their needs and look at the community of resources that are available and then our staff will design a treatment plan thats again presented to the judge, so in my opinion, i think everyone should be afforded that opportunity. The question is, what resources are available at the other end . You know, our current Referral Program operates as a second look and one of the biggest challenges, we get to a point that we send a treatment plan to the judge but if theres not a bed available or a Space Available theyre going to remain in jail. So a lot of the conversation comes back to what weve been talking about ad ad nauseum. We focus on the other han focusi population, theres a 24yearold population is a big bulk and having much experience working in the community with adults in that age range, theres a lack of programming. We have to invest in resources on the outside and make sure theres a plan for transition out of detention into the community. And one other option we thought about is on our caseload, once someones case is disposed, we lose contact with them. We do a handoff to a community provider, but almost in a workforce model is to have an Aftercare Program where were tracking people into the community and our connected with programs so that we and assure their success. One thing to look at is the First Quarter of 2019, we had a 96 Public Safety rate. So 96 of the people that were on our caseload did not commit another crime. So thats an important stat to look at in the sense that its working. If we have more Community Capacity and more connection between detention is community, i think we can do a better job to decrease the jail population. And so, in your estimation, youve been doing this a long time, that i think our paths crossed over a decade ago. So i wanted to ask you, in your opinion, how many more people do you think we might be able to capture through a secondlook program . Youre putting me on the spot here. [ laughter ] im just asking because i dont think anyone else in this room has the level of expertise as you do because youve been doing pretrial for so long. If you dont want to answer, you dont have to. I know im putting you on the spot and to say a number is maybe unfair, but what i want to get to, what impact do you think it will have on our jail population to have a second look . I think that this has been discussed around Additional Resources and supports, as you say. I also think that many times we dont take into account Employment Opportunities after incarceration or arrests and so wondering how to fit these pieces together and not working in a silo but working with other groups. I agree, that i dont think it should be a warm handoff. I think there should be a followthrough. Because you think, also, the data we collect about this, the more we know, the more we can do. I just think that why arent people successful in in . This . What does it take to bring people back in society and be productive in society . What are the barriers and what are the challenges . And what responsibility is it of our own government, City Government to actually provide i mean, to provide some supports but also to meet some of these challenges with additional supports or man times i think what we do is we invest in things so we can have a ton of programs but when you see the impact of the programs and you see people returning to incarceration like this, you have to ask yourself, what are these programs working . What is the impact of these programs that we see year after year after year . When i look at the pretrial success but maybe how to expand this to have a greater success on a greater pool of people. I think one of the beauties of this process is we have a finite number of 313 people and thats a finite number of people that we could do a second look for every one of them and dig into and determine their needs. So its not this number thats unattainable in our opinion. I think at the conclusion of the jail reenvisioning process, we made recommendations about next steps related to sf pretrial and at that point, we estimated 200, could be up to 300 people released through a secondlook process. But that has changed. When you look at the individuals released at set pretrial, the severity of their cases and acuity of their needs has increased since that time and we have to take that into account. I think 200 is a reasonable number, but to answer your question, i mean, its really about us getting more creative as a city. Our paths have crossed, supervisor walton and i, our paths have crossed and looking at unique alternatives. For example, most of my experience with kind of 25 to 45yearold arch grou age groupm a business i helped to build in public housing. That it was off the beaten path and we werent able to get city funding because it didnt fit, but those alternatives are important and those kind of not quite as young men now own and run that business. I think those are alternatives that are city can explore to help fill the gap and the needs of not Everyone Needs a bed and not Everyone Needs deep intense treatment but Everyone Needs that hope and dignity so that when they come out, theres something to look forward to. So San Francisco is fortunate to have a wealth of programs. You agree theyre not all effective and i would sit in a funding seat and we had to make tough decisions about who did and didnt make money. We support each other and we can help the programs not as effective with accountability and with the support of getting everything leverage with a pretrial case manager, working with a case manager and if we combine resources, i dont think theres anything stopping us. But its a matter of who will steer the ship and thats one of the challenges, is that theres no one in charge of all of the moving pieces and helping us to put them in place so that theyre effective and focusing on the needs of the people that need them the most. Thank you very much. I appreciate it. I think that i may follow up with yo you, actually, for more data. Im sorry i have to leave. I have a meeting with the Police Department but i wanted to just mention, also, that the thought of sending some of our folks to ritas is frightening and the latest reports about the suicides and the deaths there, the lack of programming, the lack of support, there is just frightening to think that we would send people to that facility. I dont think its in the best interests of our people who are in incarcerated and not in the best interests of their families. Not just that were separating them from their families, but look at the number of suicides and deaths there and that should give us pause. Im trying to look at the total system to see where we can reduce the numbers so we dont have to send those folks out to santa riha, becausta because tht the facilities that safe for our folks incarcerated. Thank you. And we agree. [cheers and applause] thank you, supervisor furr. Supervisor hainey. Any other questions for the sheriff. Thank you. My original questions were specific to the presentation. I do have a few more and this one is specific holds. To what . Holds. Ok. So my understanding is that the Sheriffs Department used to provide the Public Defenders Office with hold information at arraignment so attorneys can work on lifting holds pretty quickly. Im not understanding why they would need us to give them a list but our person in Legal Services works on that, as well, trying to get holds lifted from other counties. I though we have a public defender in the audience. Danielle, did you want to speak on that. Is that accurate . If you can address the panel, please come to the microphone so everyone can hear you. And identify yourself once youre at the mic. Im danielle harris, director the Public Policy with the public defensors office since 11999 and on each new arraignmet we would get through the Sheriffs Department through the bailiffs the hold information on each client. That stopped at some point and i was not privy to why that change was made and that was one of the recommendations that came out of the 2016 reenvisioning working group, was that it be reinstituted and it has not been. Thank you, miss harris. I honestly dont remember that, but here is what i think happened. We used to keep the calendars in court and we dont do that any more and we had those lists of holds, but the fact is that the public defender gets a copy of the psa and the holds are in that. Is there a way to make that process i think we should talk offline to figure that out. I mean, we dont have a magic hold list, either. So we can figure that out. Thank you. Are we monitoring 48hour regulations and relationing those folks . Yes, pretrial is doing that for us. Do we have im sorry, the 48hour count for the probable cause statement . Yes. Yeah. And then for all of the holds that we have right now, do we know how many are citeable, because it could be the case they fall within the citable category . If the holds are citable, we will cite them with the charges. Yesterday we were at 95 capacity and the count fluctuates back and forth and for example, in august of last year, we had 1405 people in custody and that was unusual and high. So thats why i tell you thats another issue that we have with the vacancy rate. Sometimes well have a cell because we have dormitories and there might be beds there, that is another reason. So theres lots of Different Things to play into this to try our best to keep people safe. So yesterday as count was 95 . Because im looking at thats one thing i have in front of me during this hearing and thats not what the numbers are. So what was the count yesterday. The custody in total at 1255 and total beds at 1506. I see. Lets look at that more closely, then. Thank you. Thank you, sheriff hennessey. We agree that we wish this would have been dealt with and i know that you have put a lot of energy into it and obviously you will continue to be involved in the next couple of months, as well, and, of course, your successor will be closely involved, as well. So thank you for your presentation and being here in person. Thank you for having the hearing and thank you for your questions. I appreciate them. I just want to make it clear that i do think its important to have the services that we need on the outside to keep people from coming to jail. I think its important to have the services we need inside the jail to help people not come back to jail and anything we can do to increase those services in a way that is commensurate and helps with the reentry into the community is something that we would always be in favour of. Thank you very much. Thank you. Our last presentation and thank you everybody for your patience here, is from the nonew Jail Coalition and theyve been at the forefront of this issue and have been advocating for closing this jail didnt investing in Community Resources and then following that, well have public comment. Im the policy directionf