Didnt give medicine for my son, there wasnt much they could do. I found new school. Now, i feel they listen to me and my children will be able to have a Better Future because they are surrounded by people who care about us. I come to ask you to authorize renewal of the license from the Wonderful School to give us the opportunity for the school where the children can receive an excellent education and be part of our beautiful community. Thank you. [applause. ] [speaking spanish. J thank you, thank you. applause i will translate and add that she is a single mom of three children with very poor eyesight. That is why it takes her so long to read. I am nat natalie. My oldest son is in a private school and my youngest in fifth grade at new school. My son benefits in the education at new school since they value different ways of learning. It is important for my son because he is happy going to school. When a child is happy to go to school they are giving him the attention he deserves. He must have a middle school to continue as a community. As member of coleman i have come to the San Francisco board of education to support rights of children in San Francisco. I can be both and dont have to choose between the two. Thank you. Hello, i am emma. I have been her since kindergarten. I would like to tell you why it is an awesome place for kids. We learn by working in groups. We get to learn from each other research and make discoveries every day. Second, i love that there are all different kinds of people at school that are different from me. I learn be from them and they help me see the world differently. I think that it is special to go all the way through high school with my friends, many started kindergarten with me. We know each other so well and love and support and care for each other every day. Fourth, i love our teachers. They are excited to see us and support us in all that we do. They make learning fun. Iit is a magical place and we hope that you will renew our charter to keep learning and exploring. Thank you for your time. [applause. ] i am grace. I have been a member of the new school of San Francisco since kindergarten. I am now in fourth grade. I am here to share what i love about our school. I enjoy learning at the school for so many reasons especially the teachers, staff and cultural learnings. All teachers are excited to teach. I like working on my projects with friends and diving deep to Big Questions. I felt like i wasnt good at math and was bored until i started school here. Teachers make math more fun and something i am excited to learn about every day. This school is special to me and makes me want to be a better student and person. Thank you for listening. I hope you vote for new school to keep going so we can continue learning here. [applause. ] hello i am a member of new school in San Francisco. Hello. I am also a member of the new school of San Francisco. New school is great because they accept everybody different and unique. Another reason is because if i have a problem my teachers are there to help me solve it. My last reason is when i make a mistake my teachers are there to support me. Thank you. [applause. ] some of the reasons i love new school because the teachers work hard for the students to educate them to make sure students have fun while they are educated. Whenever a kid needs help teachers do their best to help them. Also, whenever i have a question, the teachers do the best to teach me whatever they know. We also have five values that are respect, kindness, courage, responsibility and to be curious. That is what makes new school special. We love new school. Please vote yes for new school. Thank you. [applause. ] good evening, i am denise. I wear two hats. I am a Founding Team member of the school and proud parent of a first grader. My story is not typical. Five years ago when the doors were open i was the operations manager. I jokingly explained i did everything from order toilet paper to manage payroll. I also gave birth to my daughter at the. She has down syndrome. We are trying to figure out what support she needs to live a full and joyful life. At the same time i was also watching the incredible teachers creating Inclusive Learning environments to welcome all students regardless of background or learning need or ability. I noticed that social Emotional Learning was at the stern of everything. They invited students to ask Big Questions instead of prioritizing them rowzation. I ii memories. I was moved. I was so moved, in fact, that at 39 with two young children, i made a Career Change and decided to become a classroom teacher. [applause. ] i took a paycut and enrolled in grad school and i am now in my second year of teaching fourth grade. It is a lifechanging event for the right reasons. I am most proud i am a small contributing member of a community where i know olivia and kids like her will be cherished for who she is. She will have a full and joyful life. Please vote for our reauthorization so olivia can continue to be at our school. [applause. ] good evening, i am marie. I am 10 years old in fifth grade at new school. I am cassandra and in fifth grade. I am leslie 10 years old in fifth grade at new school. I like new school because the teachers help me with my needs like eyesight, writing and listening. They help me stay focused and it makes me feel good. People dont get judged by how they look, learn and live their lives. I think new school is different because the kids are nice to each other and it makes me feel safe and included. They dont accept boring teachers. People dont get discriminated. The school doesnt just accept white peel. It accepts everyone. We learn about other people and how they learn. We want to continue our education at new school because we love our friends, we get what we need to learn and love our teachers. Vote for new school. [cheers and applause. ] that is a tough act to follow. Good evening. I amnishia. This is my first year teaching at new school. I was hesitant to leave the School Community which i loved deeply and where every student looked like me. You see, i used to believe those were the students whose teachers are at risk. Now, i believe we are all at risk. It is a moment in history where we do not bridge the racial and cultural divides that inhibit us from making our world a better nor just place. As a child, i attended racially and socially economically diverse schools. I am quick to step back and listen to the stories of others. I have deep empathy for those who do not look like me. These are gifts. So i made a big change. I took a pay but from assistant principal to a classroom teacher at new school San Francisco. I changed my commute from 30 minutes to over two hours each day to be part of the School Community i believe is on the cutting edge of equity and inclusion. I cant be more confident in my decision. Here is a snapshot of the fifth graders i teach right now. 25 have ieps or 504, 13 english language learners, 32 students of color. If in your in new school we have tough conversations about race, privilege and equity. Not only that adults have and my students have. It is hope for a brighter future. Please allow my 48 fifth graders continue to sixth grade next year. [applause. ] good evening. I am jason miller here from the long firm and i am proud to support renewal a k12 Charter School. At september 10th meeting i addressed the fact the single petition is renewal. New school submitted one charter without any factual support it is determined there are two petitions. I am displayed to be two separate items renewal of k5 and material revision never requested. It would be outside the district jurisdiction had it been given because the schools current authorizer is the state board. New school is and always has been k12. It is miss characterization of the language of the charter to suggest otherwise. In 2014, this board sited a k12 program to deny the charter. New school as authorized is steadily adding a grade level each year. Grade one was in year one. Grade six will be in year six. Staff reports suggest the state board upon hearing the appeal in 2015 changed new school to can5. The state board had no such authority. The appeal by the local board to deny the charter petition must be made with de novo review. In 2014 it was a petition for k12. We are concerned any action on the agenda would cause uncertainty. We would prefer to see the resources going to education of the children of San Francisco. We urge you in the clearest terms to vote on the petition submitted not what are on the agenda with no rose. No vote. We ask you to approval the k12 petition as submitted. Thank you. [applause. ] good evening, commissioners, president , supervisor matthews. I am the past chair of the Community Advisory committee for special education who was to go next. We would have started an hour ago. We also have children. In the optics of us being pushed back as the parent of a student with iep getting ready to talk being pushed out of the way for a Charter School, that doesnt feel good. It really doesnt. But having said that, i am here a bunch of new School Families reached to talk to them and share their stories. I was grateful. I heard great things about new school. Two teachers in lower grades one and a half in upper grades. Resources fantastic and there are a lot of policies and procedures and board resolutions to do the same thing in s. F. U. S. D. Schools. It is all about resources. We would love to be more like new school and many of the schools that are not. It comes down to resources, and when you have 11,000 per student being drawn to go a Charter School, that reduces what s. F. U. S. D. Can do to implement resolutions and policies in all schools. As the parent of my schoolers and middle schoolers and college kids. The fear of sending a child with disability to a middle school is a difficult experience for many students. We have to acknowledge that. I wish more schools to be like new school instead of separate and unequal Charter Schools. Thank you. [applause. ] i am Julie Roberts speaking on behalf of the San Francisco families union. I like the idea of listen to learn. As equity minded school i imagine the new school is familiar with impact over intent. I dont doubt the intent. We have to look at the impact. If we are asked to vote on whether or not they will implement the program put forth. In 2014 they said diverse by design kthrough 12. The board of education thought they would be unable to implement. The board implement. They have created a majority white school with 52 white families. There are only five Public Schools in sfusd. They serve a fifth of the percentage of low income students and third of percentage of english language. If what they are asking for it would cap at 33 , one of the most affluent schools in the city. The impact on the students that is new school is not serving. There is another beautiful School Community last Board Meeting mlk facing 300,000 in budget cuts related to enrollment. The board was able to restore that. Each class of 60 students if new school were to expand to middle school would take 600,000 of enrollment related funds out of the middle school pool. The board estimates there is a 3 to 4 million impact from the new school in San Francisco. There is also prop 39 impact. They are taking space away from sku students. What i heard tonight are similar to what i heard in the Public Schools. If it is a middle school, the new cool would be a majority white middle school. The only one existing is Charter School. The rest of the Public Schools have 25 white families. Thank you. That concludes public comment. Comments from commissioners or superintendent. So again, we are going to vote on the first proposal 19625sp1 which is staff recommendation is to renew as k through 5 school. roll call okay. I have a couple questions. First of all, can you clear up what seems to be a misunderstanding in the sequence of events as far as what new school petitioned originally in 2014 and then subsequently as far as the configuration of grades . New school did submit a petition for k12 in 2014. Before they submitted that petition, they had some discussions with the superintendent and others. They were advised that k12 probably would not be looked upon favorably. Then there were discussions that happened between new school and district staff after the petition went to the budget and Curriculum Committees. New school before the petition came for a vote on october 28, 2014, sent a letter to the chair of the Curriculum Committee at the time saying that they proposed that they could ask the board to approve a k5 Charter School with the intent that it would come back later to expand in later iterations of the charter petition. So the petition that was submitted to us for voting on october 28, 2014, was by their amendment k5. No, it was k12. The discussions were had about making or approving k5. That is my memory they were willing to make that change. But then they went to the state board with k5 . They went to state board with the same petition they spented to sfusd. The Advisory Commission recommended a hearing to approve a k5 Charter School for 2016 through 2020, and that is what they did. It is true that the petition itself never changed the wording to say that they did not want k12, but they were approved as k5. Then i am going to move on. I am interested in the memo new school submitted to us a number of memos after the findings came out on friday, and one of them around special education says that it was the district and not new school that declined the opportunity to Work Together as part of the sfusd. Can you talk about that at all . I just read that memo. What i can say is that their original petition, and i dont have it in front of me, but i believe if they said that it contemplated becoming part of sfusd that is true. The board denied the petition. It was appealed to the state. According to what they say in the memo, they received a letter from gina plate. Who i is not a district employee. Yes. They are saying that sfusd is not willing to cooperator with having the charter. I can only say that if it was contemplated in their original petition and if you had approved the petition, then we would have entered agreement they were in the sfusd unless you voted to deny that part of the petition, which didnt happen. Are you aware of any conversation why we said dont be part of it if you are not an sfusd approved charter. I am not. Do we have state approved . We do not. Have any wanted to be and we turned them down . The last discussions with were marry l booker which was denied by this board. At the Advisory Commission hearings there were discussions about marys assertions people in the sfusd had discouraged them from wanting to be part. They had no official discussions with me or anyone else regarding that issue. Does it seem reasonable to you that we would have discouraged a state authorized charter from being part of our sofa . It would be reasonable people involved in special education in the district may not look favorably upon that. We didnt have any official discussion. There is no policy or procedure about that . There is no policy. The board has made it clear we would prefer our charters state authorized or not be in the sofa. We have said that a number of times. I have a question also because on one of the other memos there was a reference to new schools desire to add free or reduced price lunch to the diversity criteria. There is reference saying they admitted 10 students that qualified for free or reduced price lunch. Do you know how they would have obtained that information or could we ask them . I would not know how they would obtain that information. The rules would be selfreported by families if they ask it on the application because the rules say you cant collect the free reduce price official form where people sign to say what their income is. You cant start accepting them until like july 1 of the school year, right . That is my understanding. So if a school is using that is what i have been told for why it is problematic for us to use free reduced price lunch as a mechanism for diversifying kindergarten it would be selfreported. There some not another way to get that official data, it would somewhere to be selfreported . There is no way i know of. Can i ask, ryan or emily, how do you get that data . It is selfreported. Okay. I mean i have concerns about that. I applaud the desire and i know that a number of charters are trying to use this and other criteria to diversify. You know, the speaker read off the diverse city statistics for the school. There was a reference to 18 of the kids having ieps. Our numbers show 7 which is well under the district 12. 2 of kids with ieps. Her reference was 18 of the ieps at new school are students who have services at least 50 of the day. There was another reference in the dye verity memo diversity memo. Also, i have to say and i appreciate and this is a conversation we need to have in our society. I appreciate the speaker that said the school is interested in taking on white dominance. You are 52 white. Ththe diversity is getting worse from your first class to now. We are struggling with the same thing, but i just think it is not that really concerns me. It doesnt appear the efforts you are making however well heartfelt they are are working. Those are my questions for now. Commissioner collins. I guess i wanted to followup. I am sorry for being late. I was at back to school night for my daughter. I dont know if you have seen this data. I specifically requested data because when you are calling yourself diverse by Design School and you have been in business for a while, you should be able to show that you are doing that. It is important because we are asked to approve schools based on the ability to do as well or better than comparable schools. The way we are traditionally asked to do that is by way of test scores. They have been a proxy for Parent Education level. That is why we look at subgroups. You cant just look at two scores and say the math schools are better. If you have English Learners and so i am interested also i have been hearing comparisons about there the other schools in stud stu sfusdwith a large number e families. My daughters go to the school of the arts. The students there is a higher representation of black students. That is good. We have done a lot of good there. The black families dont necessarily reflect the range of black families we are serving in other parts of the city. You have to look at things in an intersectional way. I wanted everybody to see this information and i will post it after the fact. It is sfusd compared to the new school. 52 white. I dont see that anywhere else in the district. Even at groton you have larger percentages of white students. We have segregation in our schools. You have high concentrations of latin or asian students. In the subgroups and this is important what you didnt present on as far as academic data because you didnt have the numbers to report on it. Is one thing you are doing is not serving students that are disadvantaged and not serving English Learners at the same percentage. It is big differences. When you are not doing well like socioeconomicicly in terms of diversity you could make that argument about a lot of our schools. When it comes to the subgroups and educating the hedest need schools. You have 11 low income school. At the five schools nearby i will read this. Bryant 79 low income. That is a big. Low income is low. There are people who dont qualify as low income and they are still barely surviving in San Francisco. We have 79 at bryan. Star king is 43 . Marshall 68 . Mus coney 80 . Daniel webster is only 44. You know, it is these things that you can go across the board. New school is 7 . At brine 13,mus coney 17. In terms of English Learners new school only 9 . Star king 20 . Daniel webster 27 . Even the less diverse schools are serving less students with needs are well above in terms of meeting the needs of all students. I guess if you are going to say you are diverse by design, they say when you are looking for Structural Racism and systems where we have discrepancies and you have to look at the impact and not the intent. We have charters who are meeting the needs of students that are beyond what we are doing. When i think of Life Learning Academy they built housing for students who had instability with their housing. They are going above and beyond. What i see is a school serving predominantly white and affluent families in a neighborhood that is not predominantly white and affluent. In this way it is away folks can hoard resources. This is capturing the amount of money. This is true of sfusd schools as well with high income families raise a lot of money that ends up as a way families hoard resources. I am a parent and want to do the best for my kid, but we are part of a system. This system is part of the system gentrifying our city and low income neighborhoods. Look at the fillmore with ben franklin and golden gate no longer exists. Formerly black schools. Black people remember it. They are charters now. The racial composition and number of immigrants flipped. We have a mechanism to move into hayes value. They can put kids in school with other families like this and avoid the schools like mir and could be which are mir and cobb. We do it in the schools as well but not to this extent. When you say you are committed to diversity, i am appalled because when you do what you say you are going to do. Your school is not catering to English Learners. The only way you are a Public School is taking Public Resources by taking our buildings and taking students out of the system that could contribute to the socioeconomics capital that helps the regular publish schools to meet the needs on those gaps. That is the conversation i want to have. Additionally i want to highlight folks dont want to take away schools. You are approved k5. When you go to the state, i have seen state boards negotiate with people while they were negotiated. That is why we voted to change the way we oversee charters. There is a lot of funny business in School Districts and the state. You may have approved for k through 12. You asking we always wanted that is not acceptable. You should apply like any other school. The fact you always wants to be k12. Now we are talking about high school. I am not looking at information about how you are going to have a plan for high school. Additionally, you have written in your application under facilities you said you dont want to take away resources from other schools, you are going to take away resources from other schools. If approved you will use prop 39. It says it here. You wrote it down in the charter the new school of San Francisco plans to request facilities from the district through proposition 39. If you are going to double in size and increase to a k8 or go beyond that and become k12 you will not fit in your current location. You will push out Sf International school which serves newcomers which you do not serve or you will have to be relocated at another site. That means pushing out an entire school or colow colocating in a school not full. They are not schools like peabody or groton. Those are in bayview. You will essentially be pushing into a school that doesnt want to be a colocated school and pushing into space that is currently used as Family Resource rooms, as calm down spaces, as resource rooms for students with ieps and providing space for nonprofit providers who expand our services to these communities that are the highest needs. In your charter you are saving you want what you want and you dont care if you displace the highest needs students we serve in our district. I am done. Thank you. I want to talk more about the free and reducedlanch aspect of lunch and the history around that. Can you talk about that . New school wanted to use free and reduced lunch as criteria foreign transinto the school and what that would look like and getting the 33 . Can you run us through the history of that . So since they have been authorized by state board of education since 2015, according to them and we are not involved in that process, they made a number of attempts to change their enrollment preferences in various ways designed from their end to increase their diversity and the free and reduced efforts were made with the state and in the petition that was submitted to the district, we looked at the 33 ceiling for low socioeconomic to get to the diversity. That request was denied in previous years by the district . It was not considered by the state board of education over the past couple of years, anchoring to new school, the state period of education told them last year that if they wanted to have a material revision for enrollment preferences approved they should wait and bring that to sfusd. This includes a 33 free and reduced set aside or how does that work if it was brought up earlier that free and reduced lunch into kindergarten cant be ascertained until july . How would that functionally work unless it was just selfreported . I dont have the detailed answer how that would work. They have a plan laid out for an attempt to do so. You can go to the podium. Turn on the microphone. First thing i want to clarify. I heard the language of mr. Davis, it is a floor, not a ceiling. The way written approved by the period would mean after siblings, the next 33 automatically go to free and reduced price lunch families. There is no other way to do it other than selfreporting. I am sure you appreciate those laws. Then we follow up to verify the family does qualify for free and reduced price lunch. It just means technically everybody else who qualifies go to the main lot derry. Der lottery. We want to serve more than 33 . That is a floor. What do you expect . 40 to 50 is what we put in the petition. I am thankful you are trying to do that. I think that is something all charters should do. I would like it to be with the number of presenters in the district. Can i ask a question on that . So the way it would work is you would then verify everybody who said this is what my income level is in i mean not to go to the negative. We have a problem with people using fraudulent addresses. It happens that people are not completely truthful. How would you then deal with that if you found that somebody wasnt truthful in the original application . We would have t have to resce application. We have an enrollment policy. That is in our enrollment policy. Falsified application information. I think it is a challenge. I would love to understand how you do that and what systems are in place and what you found to work to make sure we have valid data. We dont use that as criteria foreign transto our schools. You have data . It is not a requirement. I want to go over the Demographic Data so everybody is clear. We have picked up certain groups of students. American indian or alaska native 1 , africanamerican 5, asian 14, filipino 1. 7, lancontinue x21. White 52 , two or more races 2. 4 . Socioeconomicicly disadvantaged 10. Others have referenced it with generally the schools that we have. Fenly those numbers are verified what we submitted. In my view the charter is going to be renewed. If we dont renew it, it will go to the state. I want to make sure you do what you say you are going to do. I know superintendent matthews visited the school and mentioned what he saw in terms of the stark disparity in terms of students of color and nonstudents of color. Can you talk about the numbers here . Specific diversity . Christina can speak specifically to income kindergarten. I can also pull that data and send it to you. I mean, i think in a sense you guys have worked hard and have a fulltime person who is working around it. We have recognized it despite our hard efforts. We need a structural mechanism to allow access. We had 100 families selfreported they qualify for free or reduced price lunch apply in the lottery this academic year. That is 100. We had 600 apply that didnt qualify. It feels hard when it is out of our control when the lottery is going to do what it has done. I dont know what is happening. The lottery is not kind to us. When we get the results back and see the free and reduced price families at the bottom of the wait list, it is hard. The question is entering k this year the demographics of that class . What do you want to know . The numbers. We have 48 incoming, this is how i know my students. I have to see their faces in my brain. I believe it is five. Five what. Five families qualifying for free and reduced price lunch. 50 families of color at least, at least. Just want to make sure 50 of your kindergarten class is families of color . At least. I think you were in a different class. I mean it is selfreported and families of color is a very strange term when i walk down the street right now i may be white or latino. It depends how i career myself or how you say my last name. Approximately the demographics of the fifth grade class of families of color, approximately . 52 . One of the things so it was 52 families of color now it is 50 families of color now. So the white families have gotten less at your school . Over the five years . I want to make sure. It is remained stagnant actually. [please stand by] my last comment, around commissioner collins talked about it, the expansion i was on the board when the original petition was denied by this board. The staff board to deny it. They denied it based on also that you wanted to be a k12. Correct. I want to respect that history. I also know if you do expand into a k12, it will impact the district schools, primarily on the southeast sector. Like commissioner collins said, those are the schools that will have a room. Those are the schools that can least afford. For the expansion, i just cant agree to the expansion, based on what it do to our district. Thank you to the families in the new School Community for your heartfelt testimony, and sharing of your stories. I want you to know that i did listen, my colleagues have already raised it tonight, im sure with the new schools founder, i do find the outcomes, not the outcomes, but the lack of ethnic diversity, as well as population of English Learners compared to commissioner collins as well as on students with disabilities and also students who are socially, economically disadvantaged to be a real concern for me. It is imperative that Charter Schools are also diverse and reflective of San Francisco unified School Districts student population. That is a major concern of mine. For the new school. The other aspect is, i do not export the expansion of middle school for it to be a k8 or k12 model. Similar to what my colleagues have raised about the. About the impact it would have. Again, thank you all. Again, no doubt that there is an things happening. It has been very clear from your testimony and the innovative and thoughtful curriculum a framework that is happening. So thank you. Commissioner collins . I just want to say, one of the reasons, i mean, folks know where i stand on charters in general. I think what has been really apparent with this specific school, there is a consistent pattern of behavior where you say one thing, you that is concerning to me, because a lot of times when people say it charters, well, you know like, you come, you know, and you get your approval and then you go away and we never see you again. The fact that we have pushed to the specialization Advisory Committee, 1. 5 later, how much longer it is right now, is really upsetting to me, because the families that come here to dedicate their time, and they show up here, at multiple Board Meetings and they are involved in investments in our Community Communities put on to say thank you, first of all to the special education Advisory Committee parents and families for being here, and consistently being here. Being a partner with us at on the district, not always being happy with the way we do things, but always being willing to partner. I want to say thank you to that. Additionally i want to name the fact that we have heard multiple times that you werent going to apply for prop 39 and then you did. You came in a few weeks ago and said you did not want to apply for prop 39 but it is in your petition. You have consistently said your diversified design. It is clearly evident you are not diverse when it comes to students that we are serving as a district. I also want to say, you know, when we were looking at kids, middle schools when they were coming up for renewal a while back and we were talking about bucher academy, we were talking about, trying to find data. What we hear consistently is that kids get pushed out of those schools. Its not just that kids that are harder to educate tend to get counseled out. Or they are not invited to show up. One of the things we hear consistently, even when we deny them come at a local and they go to the state, they get approved. Then they have to come back to us because it state law. We basically approved schools that we do not approve the first time. Mission prep is one. This is happening with you now. What i want to let everybody know on the board, we approved at the first time, and we still do not know what we are still hearing from middle schools and visitation valley, mlk, that they are getting kids that are being pushed out. These are anecdotal stories. We dont have data, because when we ask for data and we asked to track the data is not readily given to us. That is why i partnered with commissioner sanchez to write a charter oversight resolution so that we can actually start tracking all of this information and seeing where these kids go when they come in and then they leave. We have research that shows that kit middle school have nutrition rates, in the middle schools, our bay area schools that is atrocious, its like 60 . 60 of the kids drop out between fifth grade and eighth grade, right . They are a district or Charter Schools. The argument that we will have more oversight, or more ability to manage a Charter School that is in our district versus out of our district has not proven to be true. I would urge all Board Members to think about what you are doing when you vote to approve a school. When you vote to approve a Charter School, despite the fact that they have been approved by the state. I will tell you i have witnessed how they do it, and how they have been doing it. I have watched them counseled people up to an hour and what they can fix on their application so they can pass. We know they have been rubberstamping people. There are reputable folks i get approved. The system is broken and that is why we have legislation to fix it. If we vote on something though, we are voting to approve it. We are putting our stamp on it. I am only voting on charters that i believe in and i will stand by. I encourage all Board Members to think about that. If sfusd is a stamp of approval then we need to know that they are folks that we believe in and we support. We are willing to say, this is a sfusd approved Charter School. I am encouraging you to vote your conscience. I am also saying, we do not have enough data on the k5 kids to say whether they are doing as well or better, because they are not serving the same kids. The information we have been provided, i know our district actually looks at kids with the social economic status, and race, and and we have produced hightech reports we are able to track kids that are similar. Not just a black kid, it is a black kid that speaks spanish from a low income household. We can track those kids across our district and make comparisons between schools. We are not seeing any of that information in this charter petition. We do not have the information for a k5 to say they are doing any better or any worse. We do not have the information. We are not comparing apples to oranges, we are comparing apples to mangoes. As i a totally different thing, or like a piece of steak. Its a very different thing. Im just urging you w n