Do you need help, sir . Can you show the document that i have on the laptop there . Basically i just want you to take a peek at this. This just came out by Jeff Kaczynski and his group. Basically what it is saying is that the people that go into the Navigation Center, they are only going to house 5 , so just consider that. 95 of the people who go to the Navigation Center are not going to get housed. The limited stay, let me see, the end of stay, 30 1 choose to exit by choice. Fortyone , are the navigations really that bad where 41 of the people who actually go there would actually leave . That is what Jeff Kaczynskis numbers imply. San francisco administrative code 106 says that the controller is supposed to provide reports involving the Navigation Centers and i dont have any to date. Also consider the denial of service. 10 the Navigation Centers that were built, they were viable, not the best, but somewhat viable. What Jeff Kaczynski is doing is illegal. Look at the seven day stay. Seven day stay, that is a violation of the shelter extension policy. We need some legislation from this body to protect the homeless from the manipulation of the wordage that Jeff Kaczynski uses to violate the law and the San Francisco policy that we fought for for the past ten or 20 years. Thank you very much. Seeing no other speakers, Public Comment is closed. Madame clerk, please go back to item 26. Item 26, the renewal and expansion of the Union Square BusinessImprovement District. The ballot count is in. The result, the returned wait of valid ballot voting for the district was 84. 8 7 and the return waited balance voting against it was 15. 1 3 further indicating there was no majority protest. Okay. There is no majority approach as protest. Without objection can we take a vote on item 26, the resolution to establish, renew, and expand the Union Square BusinessImprovement District . Okay. I think, can we take this same house, same call . Without objection, the resolution passes unanimously. Madame clerk, lets go to our adoption without committee agenda, number 31 through 37. Items 31 through 37 were introduced for adoption without reference to committee, unanimous vote is required for resolutions on First Reading today. Alternatively, any supervisor may require a resolution to go to committee. Would any of my colleagues like to sever any items . Seeing then colleagues well you have to be quick. [laughter]. Supervisor peskin . Since everyone is leaving, congratulations. 85 is extraordinary. [cheers and applause] i would like to sever items 31, 33, and 37, mr. President. Madame clerk, lets take items 32, 33, 34, 35, 36, colleagues, can we take these items same house, same call . Without objection, then these resolutions are adopted and the motions are approved unanimously madame clerk, please call item 31. Thirtyone is a resolution to oppose California State Assembly bill number 68 authored by some remember philip tang unless amended to provide jurisdictional deference to the city and county of San Francisco and other early adopters of permissive accessory dwelling unit regulations. Supervisor peskin . Thank you. Colleagues, this is the second time that this has appeared on our agenda. I absolutely salute and concur with our Assembly Members desire to spread accessory dwelling units throughout the state of california, however, there are two profound concepts that are important for the city and county of San Francisco. First is since the advent of a. D. U. S in this municipality is that the vast majority of them are subject to regulatory agreements pursuant to the costa hawkins act that allows them to be subject to a rent stabilization ordinance, chaptee code and i would like to make sure that anything that is done statewide continues to honor that in the city and county of San Francisco as well as other municipalities that have rentcontrolled regulations. In addition, there are provisions as it is currently written that could undermine San Franciscos eviction protection controls. Our staff have been in close communication. I am hopeful that, how should i say this appropriately, given the unfortunate dynamics in the california state legislature, even though we have a majority of democrats in both the assembly and the senate, rent control and eviction protection continues to be a bad word up there. I am hopeful that the Assembly Member can incorporate and get his colleagues to agree to some amendments that will honor our longstanding eviction and rent control regulatory regimen in San Francisco. With that, i would like to continue this one week. I dont take this lightly, i dont like to oppose something that is offered by one of our Assembly Delegation members, so i would like to make a motion to canoe continue item 31 for one week. There has been a motion to continue this item 31 for one week and seconded by supervisor safai. Can we take this motion without objection . Mr. President , for the record , that is july 16th. Thank you. Then, same house, same call. Motion passes. Madame clerk, item 33. Thirtythree is a resolution to urge the department of real estate to pursue a financially feasible option to lease or purchase assessor parcel blocks 0300 lot zero zero nine at 888 post street for the use of a Navigation Center or Workforce Development and multiuse Service Center serving homeless and our phone formerly homeless individuals. Supervisor peskin . The comment i am about to make is out of order but i wanted to acknowledge that supervisor haney as a cosponsor of item 26. I try to put my name on the roster but that ate and came and went and it was totally out of order. As to item 33, which is a resolution urging the city and our department of real estate to pursue an option to purchase or lease property at 888 post street, commonly formerly known as the house of fans, i commended to all the view, i want to what is that . And a supervisor fewer says that she bought a fan from there, and so did i. So by way of background, as i said in the chronicle the other day, hopefully the fourth time is a charm. One mare breed and i did the groundbreaking at 88 broadway today, which i proposed as a temporary Navigation Center, a number of years ago when ed lee was mayor after supervisor ronen was able to secure 1515 south van ness for a period of less than one year, that was my first attempt. My second attempt, actually that was my second attempt. My first attempt was our lady of waterloo bay church. This is my fourth attempt. I just want to say, the neighbors and neighborhoods of district three are remarkably cool. Thank you to miss michaels, a. K. A. The pizza lady who is still here. To the folks from the lower pole neighbors and the lower polled c. B. D. This is a neighborhood that is an pricing embracing it. Im tired that hearing persevering that it does not pencil. It penciled in supervisor ronen s district and dang it, we all want to be part of the solution and this supervisor is trying to be part of the solution, so i asked for all of your support and we all saw the numbers. Since 2017, i dont know why it take so long to get a point in time count back to the board and the electorate and our neighbors , but it says that the numbers have gone up 30 although i am informed by supervisor ronen that district nine and district three fared better then the rest of the city , or at least they did at that one point in time. I think my totally cool constituents for supporting a Navigation Center in the northeast county of the city and county of San Francisco. Thank you for your leadership and this and putting it forward as youre calling to the south. I support this. Also a somebody who lives three blocks from the site, just down the street, it is right across the street from district six. I want to thank all of the residents who came out here, and supervisor peskin for your leadership on this there is a myth out there that people dont want to see Navigation Centers, do not want to see shelters, do not want to see services in the district. I do understand we have shared responsibility in addressing this challenge. I want to thank you for your leadership. And whatever i can do support you on this and whatever i can do to support any of you who are also fighting to make sure you have the needed Urgent Services for our Homeless Population in your district, i know that there will continue to be a lot in district six and we are good with that but we also want to support additional supervisors in districts who want to expand services as well. I hope that the city takes you up on this opportunity. I do think this will pencil and i hope to see a Navigation Center right up the street from me very soon. Supervisor ronen . I just want to echo and say that i have bared witness to supervisor peskins very frustrating attempts to get a Navigation Center in its district. When i tried to get venice in my district, i was also told know and i was also told it doesnt pencil and i said i disagree. It is time to push. There are too many people that are sleeping and dying on the streets on district nine and we have to do something about it and it worked. We were able to get from 260 tenths of probably double the amount of People Living on the streets of the Mission District all the way down to 30 tenths at one point. That was the best we did. We ebbed and flowed between that and as supervisor peskin mentioned, it was a district three and nine there were the only two districts who had a decrease in unsheltered people in the district in this point in time count. So why the while the cities skyrocketed up, we went down. That was because neighborhood based commitment to a real solution to homelessness, which is to provide an alternative place for people to be and to allow them to stay there long enough to be able to resolve the situation that they were facing. That is something that i feel frustrated about our citywide strategy. Not only do we not have enough Navigation Centers all over the city and i do commend the mayor for trying to fix that, increase the Navigation Center beds, but the stays in the center are so short that they cycle in and out of that. That is not the way we did it in the mission. The way begot lasting change is people were allowed to stay in the Navigation Center until they resolved their situation. That is where we got the lasting effects. I too just want to offer my support to supervisor peskin and say i am behind you all the way and agree with supervisor haney. Any colleague who fights and demands resources for Homeless People in their district, i have your back 100 . I always well. Sometimes we have to push hard, even when the department of homelessness says no. Thank you. Lets see. Colleagues, can we take this item same house, same call . Then this resolution is adopted unanimously. Please call item number 37. Thirtyseven, motion to approve a phased final transfer map, portions of Treasure Island , a 98 Lot Subdivision and acknowledge the findings pursuant to the general plan. Supervisor peskin . Thank you. I had some technical questions on this and i actually asked that this city surveyor be here and he could not so i talked to miss kittler, the liaison from the Mayors Office and he can attend our next meeting. I am respectfully requesting and making a motion for a oneweek continuance. Is there a second . Seconded by supervisor fewer. This is to the date of july 16 th. Okay. Can we take this same house, same call . With no objection, then we will continue this item. Madame clerk, we have an imperative item. Yes, we have, from supervisor peskin. A resolution supporting Assembly Bill 1054, only if amended, to remove language unrelated to the goal of stabilizing state utilities that would effectively undermine San Franciscos ongoing efforts to access and acquire pg and e. Assets and to have Utility Service to its residents. Colleagues. Would you like to Say Something . I would like to make a motion relative to the centering ordinance, the need to take action is so important imperative. If action is deferred to a later meeting, i would like to further make the brown act findings as to the need to take immediate action and the action came to the attention of the city and county of San Francisco after the agenda was posted. I would also like to tell my colleagues that i promise that at the next several board meetings, i will not speak as much. There has been a motion. Is there a second for both of these . Supervisor mandelman, can we take those two motions together . Is there any objections to those motions . Seeing none, the motion passes. Now on the substance of the imperative resolution itself. Mr. President , Public Comment on the resolution. Is there any Public Comment on this particular imperative agenda . Seeing none, Public Comment is closed. Then and now for the substance of the imperative resolution itself, a roll call vote, please. [roll call] can you repeat the motion, please . This is on the imperative item, supervisor. There are ten aye. The resolution is adopted. Madame clerk, please read the in memoriam his. Yes. Todays meeting will be adjourned memory of the following beloved individuals. On behalf of supervisor walton, for the late mr. Caesar cornelius young, on behalf of supervisor peskin, for the late mr. Neil mollock and for supervisor mandelman [speaking spanish]. That brings us to the end of our agenda. Madame clerk, is there any further business before us today that concludes our business for today. Then we are adjourned. I went through a lot of struggles in my life, and i am blessed to be part of this. I am familiar with what people are going through to relate and empathy and compassion to their struggle so they can see i came out of the struggle, it gives them hope to come up and do something positive. I am a community ambassador. We work a lot with homeless, visitors, a lot of people in the area. What i like doing is posting up at hotspots to let people see visibility. They ask you questions, ask you directions, they might have a question about what services are available. Checking in, you guys. Wellness check. We walk by to see any individual, you know may be sitting on the sidewalk, we make sure they are okay, alive. You never know. Somebody might walk by and they are laying there for hours. You never know if they are alive. We let them know we are in the area and we are here to promote safety, and if they have somebody that is, you know, hanging around that they dont want to call the police on, they dont have to call the police. They can call us. We can direct them to the services they might need. We do the three one one to keep the city neighborhoods clean. There are people dumping, waste on the ground and needles on the ground. It is unsafe for children and adults to commute through the streets. When we see them we take a picture dispatch to 311. They give us a tracking number and they come later on to pick it up. We take pride. When we come back later in the day and we see the loose trash or debris is picked up it makes you feel good about what you are doing. It makes you feel did about escorting kids and having them feel safe walking to the play area and back. The stuff we do as ambassadors makes us feel proud to help keep the city clean, helping the residents. You can see the community ambassadors. I used to be on the streets. I didnt think i could become a community ambassador. It was too far out there for me to grab, you know. Doing this job makes me feel good. Because i came from where a lot of them are, homeless and on the street, i feel like i can give them hope because i was once there. I am not afraid to tell them i used to be here. I used to be like this, you know. I have compassion for people that are on the streets like the homeless and people that are caught up with their addiction because now, i feel like i can give them hope. It reminds you every day of where i used to be and where i am at now. Once i got the hang of it a little bit, you know, like the first time, i never left the court. I just fell in love with it and any opportunity i had to get out there, you know, they didnt have to ask twice. You can always find me on the court. [ ] we have been able to participate in 12 athletics wheelchairs. They provide what is an expensive tool to facilitate basketball specifically. Behind me are the amazing golden state road warriors, which are one of the most competitive adaptive basketball teams in the state led by its captain, chuck hill, who was a National Paralympic and, and is now an assistant coach on the national big team. It is great to have this opportunity here in San Francisco. We are the main hub of the bay area, which, you know, we should definitely have resources here. Now that that is happening, you know, i im looking forward to that growing and spreading and helping spread the word that needs that these people are here for everyone. I think it is important for people with disabilities, as well as ablebodied, to be able to see and to try different sports, and to appreciate trying different things. People can come and check out this chairs and use them. But then also friday evening, from 6 00 p. M. Until 8 00 p. M. , it will be wheelchair basketball we will make sure it is available, and that way people can no that people will be coming to play at the same time. We offer a wide variety of adaptive and inclusion programming, but this is the first time we have had our own equipment. [. Good morning, and welcome to the San FranciscoPlanning Commission and Building Inspection Commission joint hearing for thursday, june 20th, 2019. I would like to remind members of the public that the commissioners do not tolerate any outbursts of any kind. Please silence your mobile devices, and when speaking before the commission, if you care to, do state your name for the record. Technically speaking, all of those persons standing who cannot find a seat are causing a fire hazard and cant remain in the room. We are setting up an overflow room. Were just trying to figure out where Media Services can accommodate us. Id like to take roll for the Planning Commission. [roll call] for the Building Inspection Commission. [roll call] very good. Commissioners, we have one item, item one for case 21802728 for the controlled demolition merger conversion and alterations. This is an informational meeting. Before you start, i wanted to go through for a couple of things of how this is going to go this morning. Good morning and welcome to our commissioners. I missed many of you. So what we are going to try to do is have this is a very complicated piece of legislation, and folks have a lot of opinion about the different aspects of it. We, the president mccarthy and i, want to give as much time to the public to opine. So with that being said, we only have a limited time. So what im going to ask first is that there is going to be times after each section that staff can pause and allow for commissioner questions. I beg my fellow commissioners to ask questions of clarification only. Lets leave the comments to the end. So please keep your questions short and succinct, so we can allow everyone to ask questions for clarification, and allow as uch tim much time for Public Comment. After staff presentation, we will open it up for Public Comment. Please fill out a speaker card. I will try to get through as many of those as possible. You will have two minutes to make your Public Comments known, and we will hopefully get through everyone. We will leave 30 minutes at the end of the meeting for commissioner comments. Hopefully all your questions will have been answered by then. And i will also, again, because there are so many of us, ask that we keep it short and succinct as well. I encourage you to write down your comments as we go so we can get through it expeditiously. Do you have anything to add, president mccarthy . In, thank you, madam commissioner. With that, i think we can go straight to presentation. Thank you. Good morning, commissioners, audrey maloney, Planning Commission staff. Before we give the planning presentation, supervisor peskin is here to speak. Thank you. Chairwoman welcome, supervisor peskin. Thank you, president melgar. President mccarthy and commissioners, good morning. I will be very brief because im actually in the middle of a Committee Hearing downstairs, and let me thank you for vetting this piece of legislation. I think we all agree, and have agreed for many, many years, that there is a problem relative to definitions of demolition in the code relative to demolitions. We all know the numbers. The reality is, as we see in the housing balance report, for every two units of Affordable Housing that we build, we lose one, probably more than one, if we counted the numbers a little differently. It is not just about the highprofile things weve seen in the meeting, like 49 hopkins, and the willis polk house. It is a larger, systemic problem. I am not the first supervisor who has tried to fix this. It has been attempted by many people. My former colleague, jake, teamed up, unlikely though it may have been, with Alice Barkley to solve this problem almost 20 years ago. But i think we all know that there is a problem. We all want to stop these types of demolitions. We have attempted in this legislation to incentafize it. Whether it is higher densities that were seeing throughout the city i will be the first to admit that perhaps i have bit off a little more than we can all chew here. But what i would like for you and the public and my somewhat dejected staff to do is to really figure out a way where two siloized departments, building and planning, can work better to stem the tide of the demolition of sound housing, which is the most Affordable Housing that we have. If you have better ideas, we want to hear it. But there is a problem, and we can all come together to fix it, whether it is as simple as vastly increasing fines an andpenalties for bad behavior the vast majority play by the rules. But there are a handful of player who soil it for everybody. I know, mr. Mccarthy, you dont condone it. But we have to find a way to get rid of the bad apples because they screw up the whole thing. With that, i have to go downstairs. Chairwoman thank you, supervisor. Hold on just one moment. Technical difficulties. All right, well there we go. All right. Before you begin, audrey, thank you. For those of you who are standing in the room or sitting on the floor and you cannot find a seat, the north light court is being set up as an overflow room. If you make youre way downstairs to the first floor, the north light court, you will be able to view and hear these proceedings. When your name is called to submit your Public Comment, feel free to come up and enter the room. And if those of you with a seat who submit your Public Comment would be so courteous as to then leave the chamber and make your way down to the light court to allow others to enter the room, that would be appreciated. Thank you. I appreciate your cooperation. Again, anybody who cant find a seat will need to leave the room. Again, commissioners, good morning. My name is audrey maloney. Planning department staff, i work on the legislative and policy team. With me is elizabeth watty, and patrick oreardon, and cyril yu. Were not going to be making any kind of staff recommendation today, but we are highlighted our concerns of the ordinance as it currently stands. And we have done our best to condense and simplify this ordinance, and with that being said, it is a very dense ordinance. And well be breaking this up to more digestable segments. And we also wanted to warn you about the amount of information youre about to see on these slides. We broke all of the power point rules, and there are way too many words. That was done on purpose. Again, this is a very complicated piece of legislation. We dont expect either yourselves as commissioners or the public to be able to digest every single piece of what is going to be presented here today. The slides were designed with the intention to be able to take them with you, both you and the public, and be able to read them on your own and understand them without somebody explaining them to you. Sorry there are way too many words on these slides. After the final conclusion, as commissioner melgar said, we will be taking Public Comment after all of the segments of the staff presentation have been given. First the good news we all agree that there are some major issues that were trying to solve, and there are some common goals that we are trying to reach. The first of which is to develop a straightforward permitting process for residential projects. And the second is to eliminate loopholes that result in illegal demolition. And the thirdto go into the background of this particular ordinance, back in september, supervisor peskin introduced the original ordinance, and since that time, supervisor peskins office has been working with the Planning Office on almost a weekly basis to try to address some of our concerns and listen to our requested amendments. On may 7th, the ordinance was reintroduced, and some of the planning was adopted into that new ordinance. With that, ill turn it over to patrick oreardon from the planning and building inspection. Good morning, commissioners. My name is patrick oreardon, chief building spectoinspector at d. B. I. I want to extend my thank you to the Planning Department for working on this legislation. The effort is very much appreciated. To start with d. B. I. s mission, to serve the city and county of San Francisco and the general public by ensuring that life and property within the city and county are safeguarded. We do this through the effective, efficient, fair, and Safe Enforcement of the city and county of San Franciscos building, housing, plumbing, electrical and mechanical codes. These codes are updated every three years as we learn more about safety hazards, and new Building Techniques and materials and technologies and developed. Im giving this last bullet a little emphasis. D. B. I. Wants owners to do everything in their power to upgrade their buildings to make them safer, healthier, more efficient, and more accessible. Why do we want to do this . Primarily it is because of our aging housing stock. If you look at the picture on this slide, i believe this is monterey boulevard, taken some time in the 20s, and so youll see all of those houses were there, much like theyre still there today. Housing stock in San Francisco is aging, but the vast majority of residential buildings were built prior to 1950. Because of this, building inspectors often see obsolete and unsafe components or conditions in residential buildings. We see damage due to dry rot, pest infestation, and water intrusion. We see old, unsafe wiring, and oftentimes we see old and ineffective plumbing. Now, this next slide shows is in relation to unsafe electrical systems. As you can clearly see, this is old nob and tube wiring. And this is an example of deteriorated knob and tube wiring, which possess a fire hazard and is often unable to cope with modern electrical demands. Related to outdated plumbing, this section shows sections of old plumbing in need of replacement. Problems are old led and joints that are leaking and are not properly supported. You can see the rust, which is a sign of leakage at the joints. Blind walls we know them as blind walls. Some people refer them to as Property Line walls, as side walls, but essentially they are walls that are at the site of buildings here in San Francisco that maybe zero lot line buildings. In other words, theyre buildings that are between adjacent buildings and there is limited or no space between those buildings. Usually it is an inch of space or maybe even less in some cases. Blind walls or properly aligned walls where little or no space is left between buildings. They present a specific set of challenges. Because of their location, work to bring them up to code requires significant alteration or temporary removal. In the case of vertical additions, they often need to be reinforced or replaced to safely hold the increased load of an additional story that may be added. Continuing with blind walls the frequent problems that we encounter. We see that there is a lack of proper fire protection. You can see from the picture this is a wall with the interior finishes having been removed, and an additional stud has been added next to the old stud. But as you can see, there is evidence of deteriorated building paper there. So that would indicate that this wall would be prone to leaks. Obviously, we see no insulation. It is unlikely there was insulation when the surface and lath and last properly was removed. This is what was uncovered. Obviously these walls are susceptible to pest infestation, also. When insulation and drywall is added to the interior of the blind wall but the original exterior remains, it can create mode mold problems. Upgrades for fire safety and weatherization are impossible without temporary removal of the wall. It is impossible to add overlapping paper at the exterior of the wall without its temporary removal. So plainly said, it is the wall you just do not have the peace between the outside of the ask tear wal exterior and the adjacent buildings wall. So it is impossible to upgrade its exterior. The next slide is pretty dramatic, but this is an actual event that took place about three years ago on mission street. It gives a little emphasis to the importance of the firerated walls at Property Lines. This fire did spread to an adjacent building, and several people were displaced from an s. R. O. The buildings did not have the firewalls that we see in buildings that are modern buildings that are constructed today. So the benefits of these blindwall upgrades homes are healthier, more energyefficient, and safer. New walls are better able to support greater loads. Theyll have fire protection, allowing more time for firefighters to stop the spread and residents to escape. At this point, im going to turn it over to my colleague, cyril yu from d. B. I. Im not cyril yu. Going into the first thing this ord nan wil ordinance when we talk about noticing and permits, these are the amendments to section 311. Throughout the presentation, you can see this format, and on the righthand side, the way that the ord na ordinance is currently written, will change the procedures. I wont focus too much on the way it is. I will highlight the major points about the way it will be. For neighborhood notification, known as section 311, the legislation generally would expand the items that would require 311 or neighbourhood notification, and how quickly a poster must be placed on the site for certain applications. It would also expand what must be included in the packets that are mailed to the public. And all of those items listed on the righthand side, the renderings, engineering, calculations, construction drawings, those are all now new requirements that would need to go into the packets mailed to the public for notification purposes. This is another slide youll be seeing a lot of today. To try to go over some of the Planning Departments anticipated impacts and concerns, we used more of a diagram model. On the lefthand side, youll see a grey circle, which is some of the planning implications. On the righthand side, the orange circle is some of the anticipated presumed impacts for the public. In the middle, we have general significant impacts to both the Planning Department and the public. For the neighborhood notice example, some of the biggest impacts would be increased cost to applicants, due to consulting, plan drafting, and application fees. And the permit applications that require neighborhood notice would take much longer to process. Looking at the new requirements for permit submittal and review, they must verify d. B. I. And the project would have to comply with the residential guidelines as they existed on the day that this ordinance became affective. Some of our largest anticipated impacts with that new set of permit su submittal guidelines are that the Planning Department are not engineers, we dont have that skill set, so verifying a department of building inspection, demolition or structural plan calculation is not something in our skill set, and this ordinance would require us to do that. It would also be a substantial shift and how d. B. I. And planning currently process these applications. It would take a very long time for us to put this new system into place. So we envision that that will cause some delays. And once the system is in place, it does impact our procedures in that we have many more things that we need to examine, with trans pe transfer permits back and forth. On the public side, some of the biggest changes are, again, that applicants must hire an architect to submit those plans, and the plans and structural drawings are now required at the front end of an application. Right now it is just a site plan because we know that planning is usually going to come around and ask for changes and reiterations. So, again, the biggest impact would be significant delays in permit processing, and an increased cost to applicants because of all of these changes. With that, i will turn it over to cyril from the Planning Department. Hi, commissioners, im a supervisor with the plan review surface division. Currently you require Building Permit for New Buildings and demolition and grading. What is so great about our entitlement process, youll need architectural drawings, and these are conceptual drawings to establish the building windows. The application will now require structural drawings and calculations to accompany these site permit conceptuaconceptual design. This is for d. B. I. To review it and for means and methods and construction. And the application will need to include a sworn declaration and testing to the accuracy of the submitted plans, and stated impact on the tenants, and construction means and methods. Currently in regards to permits, when d. B. I. Has determined that the work has gone beyond the scope of the permit, we issue a d. U. V. The project sponsor must obtain the additional permits for the work. When d. B. I. Determines that work has been done without a permit, an n. O. V. Is submitted. With the new ordinance, d. B. I. Will no longer be able to issue these after the fact, permits for additional work. So before a permit is issued, the sponsor will have to file another permit to remove the legal work prior to putting back the seated work. Does that kind of make sense . So preexisting condition, it is not welldefined. We dont know what that is. If you were to pull a permit to bring it back to preexisting conditions, we dont know, is that preapproval of the permit or preissues . Now well break for commissioner comments and questions. Okay. So i do you have a question to commissioner mccarthy, and then we will allow for the rest of the commissioners to ask clarifications. My one question was i was a little confused by the staff presentation packet that came to us before this meeting. Before this meeting, there was an item of dryrot removal that would trigger the definition of demolition. I read the legislation, and i did not see that in there. Can you clarify where that came from . Is that related to the contacts . We will be covering that in the demolition section of the presentation. If you dont mind waiting until we go over that slide. Chairwoman no problem. We do cover that in the demolition section. Chairwoman thank you. So were going to come back and ask questions on the second phase of the presentation. Chairwoman they may have been answered during that presentation. Mr. Reardon, i have a few questions for you. Thank you. So if we could go back to the slide i kind of just want to walk through it to make sure i have a really good understanding, particularly to the blind wall section of the presentation there. If you could if john could come up there, or somebody, and get that back to that slide area. And then i have kind of as i was reading last night, i was preparing the question for you. I want to be sure i have a clear understanding. In most older homes or buildings that waterproof is broken down or ripped or isnt performing anymore, can you explain to the public what happens when you take these older, leaking walls, and fill them with, say, insulation and sheet rock, as described by the code, what is likely to happen . So the best weig way i can kind of explain that is if you go to slide six in your package, where it shows a picture of monterey boulevard in the 1920s. When people file for permits now in regard to maybe adding a story or updating those buildings in some way, where it would involve the removal of the interior surfaces, the code requires the insulation of insulation to meet the energy code requirements, and it requires, obviously, sheet rock on the inside. The sheet rock that is applied to the inside in modern construction provides much tighter construction than the old lathe and plaster provided. Not only is the sheet rock taped at all of the joints, but caulk is applied around the electrical boxes and switch boxes, and so you have a much more airtight enclosure, at least from the inside. In the existing wall cavity, if you look at the following slide from the second blind wall slide, you will see those cavities are going to be filled up when installation is provided by the code. Essentially, it provides an incubator for dry rot and mold because youre introducing insulation to a wall that is probably lacking in weatherization from the outside, and really it just harbors the growth of the fungus, and that is mold and dry rot. So our effort is to achieve minimum code compliance. And the minimum code compliance would be to make sure that we have a codecompliant wall when said wall is exposed. And i hear a lot of building inspectors, from their experiences, this moisture doesnt become a problem with these older walls until a remodel occurs. Would you agree with that . Absolutely. Because we dont see the problem until the wall is opened up. Once the wall is opened up, were looking at what is illustrated in the slide, where you see the open wall cavities between the studs and the wall. The other part of the equation, which i talked to a lot of contractors over the years, can you explain why it is impossible to fix or patch the papering of a wall without actually taking the wall down . Can we talk a little bit about that . Because that has been a real field condition problem for years. It is about accessability. Because if these are zero lot line buildings, you dont have the ability to get to the outside of the wall. With a front wall or back wall, you can work on it from the front or inside of the front wall, and likewise with the back wall. With the lot line walls, if theyre to be kept in place, there is simply no way of doing any work to the outside surfaces of that wall. Including the application of sheet rock for fire protection, or paper to ensure we have proper weatherization for that wall. These walls, as you kind of pointed out in your presentation, are very important. Now most people in the general public dont know what that means. Quickly explain what it means and how important it is when were remodeling that we do achieve these walls, particularly on the property sidelines. Most people dont think about 1l walls. The