Clerk please silence cell phones and electronic devices. All documents should be submitted to the clerk. Items will be appear on the november 28th supervisors board agenda unless otherwise stated. Before we begin, i want to give focus to the conversation clerk may i read the first item. Item one, administrative business tax regulation, health and police code to regulate commercial activities related to cultivated testing sale and delivery of medical and adult use cannibis. I. For those here last week, we continued this item. This is not the beginning as this is not the end of the conversation moving this legislation forward but theres still going to be both in the land use and on the rules side, theres going to be continuing conversation over the next year. I think the goal that were trying to achieve is to move the process forward to be prepared by january 1st to begin to have adult use along with medical use cannibis in san francisco. To focus the conversation, i know supervisor jeff sheehy has joined us with amendments. We havent spent a lot of time talking about delivery in this committee and in general as the conversation has moved forward. I know we have 30 cannibis permits that are brick and mortar and about 16 that are delivery only. We havent spent a lot of time talking about delivery and the delivery process. I know there are those in the audience who have experience with delivery. Theres been the conversation about not predictable delivery but essentially internet based and working with brick and mortars. I want to have conversation about that. Theres been concerns and ideas brought forward and then i want to talk about the idea of moving from the process of being mcd and having a temporary permit to operate as in adult use. Lets start there. One of the things i want to make sure and supervisor sheehy has amendments but i want to start with this part of the conversation. Weve had some conversations about this. Essentially the idea is that existing operators have a Good Neighbor policy. They have an existing management and security plan and the way it has worked in the past, management security plan has been submitted to the department of Public Health and reviewed by the area Police Captain and those plans were approved. I want to ensure that in this process to transition to adult use, the management and security plan along with the Good Neighbor policy will have to be resubmitted and reviewed by your office and approved by your office and reviewed by the Police Captain and our offices, meaning the supervisors can weigh in and review in the process and consultation with you. Does it say that . To your question, currently the legislation page 88 says it has to under article 17 of the police code, this is amendment into article 33. So this would be for the department of Public Health to enforce until that retailer holds an article 16 permit. So thats not currently reflected in the legislation supervisor. Would that be an amendment. John gibbner. I think this is amendment youre suggesting to the to article 16 if im not mistaken. That would not be subsensitive, you could make the amendment tomorrow and pass it on First Reading tomorrow. Well do that. What were trying to do deputy City Attorney pearson essentially is there currently is a process they have to submit all existing mcds have to submit a management and security plan and Good Neighbor policy. Thats something theyre familiar with. We want the plan to be resubmitted as part of the temporary permitting process so that the Police Captain would have the opportunity to review that, along with the department of Public Health as well . Or just the Police Captain and your office. Under the existing language on page 88 it would be the department of Public Health enforcement. I would defer to the City Attorneys if you could include my office. I want the office of cannibis to have that review. Were trying to shift a lot of the responsibility to the office, right . We want them to be the ones to review the final management and security plan. My question is, are you recommending a process that is similar to the permitting of alcohol licences where it comes to a committee, it goes through, we have a formal report on it. Not necessarily. There is review. Not in terms of having it go to the Public Service and neighborhood safety. This is more of on the administrative side, were having it be the process where the office of cannibis and essentially what im reiterating, the process currently happens, the Police Captain in the past has given recommendations or reviewed the management security plan, so thats not anything new. And the Good Neighbor policy is something that theyre familiar with, thats not new. What would be new is that the office of cannibis, because we created this new office will have the authority to approve that plan in consultation with our offices along with input from the Police Captain. I think thats important because there have been really good actors out there currently and theres ones that have some room to grow. So we want this to be based on a merit system on terms of how theyre operating and give them something to look forward to in terms of improving overall. So we have this plan in place and still there are some bad actors who have fallen through the cracks. It seems you would have to address enforcement. Thats why the final approval would be with this office and so in consultation with the Police Department along with the members of the board. And i think that that im getting looks from you guys. Excuse me so youre speaking about new permits that might be permitted. But renewal of permits then would also be evaluated whether or not they have adhered to the Management Plan and whether or not they have abided by the Management Plan and so for review process of these places, which i think in your district quite frankly, they fell through the loop hole. How does you close that loophole. Thats a good question. The other thing, i know that even the temporary permits, theres the ability to appeal temporary permit from the neighbors and discretionary review. Oh, thats the final permit. Okay. Some supervisors have put in the additional layer of review or proposed that. Deputy City Attorney pearson. Maybe i can say a couple of words about the amendment last week with respect to medical dispensaries and ability to sell adult use on january 1st. The amendment last week would amend article 33 of the health code that currently regulates these businesses and it amends it to allow them to start selling medical use cannibis under the article. They would not apply for temporary permit. It would be immediate expansion of the existing permit. We can amend the amendment to include some of the additional language you have talked about today, to say that that expansion can happen on the condition that they also submit for review by the Police Department and office of cannibis a Good Neighbor policy and management and security plan. And a security plan. We could do that, it would be helpful to know if you want them to be able to operate while the plans are being reviewed or they need to submit them and have them reviewed while they operate. I think for the good operators it will be easy. I think for the ones with work to do, i think there will be a review period. No, i dont think its the will of the body to handout permits without some level of review. Okay. I think that would slow down the process quite frankly for dispensaries to switch to adult use. We are nearing december. Right. Lets hear what miss elliot has to say. Were talking about 30 dispensaries and i know supervisor sheehy had ideas for permit. Do you think it would slow things down tremendously . Or for good operators it would be pretty pro forma. These are plans they have in place, im not trying to create a log jam. I have heard from other supervisors they want a level of review and not temporary permits just handed out without something being submitted. I think then yes miss elliot you could give us a timeline since the supervisor is recommending it would go through your office for approval and what your timeline is and what it might look like, if there would be a log jam or delay the permitting. I think its the ball is sort of in your court and also Public Health. Were asking them to review it, too. And the Police Department. Outside of reviewing the security plans is the registration process of the non retail delivery side to get the operations inspected and getting ready for temporary permits as well. I cant say because i have never reviewed that security plan. I havent reviewed a Good Neighborhood policy in coordination with operators and supervisors, however we have published quite a bit in the last two months, so lets just keep plowing forward. I know your name was on the do you want to add something supervisor yee . Im trying to clarify in my head what were talking about. I never had these discussions. So basically, are you offering amendments talking as if its in here and were arguing about it. But what are we really talking about. Are you amending something . Or you want to add language to something . So at the last no, im talking about adding it. At the last meeting we had a conversation regarding this process of transition from temporary to i mean from mcd to adult use, there were clarifying questions asked on the record last week. Versus this being an administrative process or writing it into the legislation, thats where we are right now. Theres a reference to the Good Neighborhood plan and the process has been in the past for this to happen, i want to see if we can make an amendment that wouldnt slow the legislation down but to clarify how we move from into the temporary adult use process. And then, its you mentioned that City Attorney gibbner that this is not substance and we could make the amendment either today or tomorrow. You should make it tomorrow if you plan to make it. Well take direction from you today if its the will of the committee or any individual member, we can draft it for tomorrow. That would be helpful for me. I dont know what im really voting on in this case. I can ask him to draft it and you can review it. That would make me more comfortable. Okay. The question i have about it, once you go through the process to a law for existing mcds to adult use, is that what were doing . Okay. This review process deems a particular Retail Business that they have not been doing what theyre supposed to do. Is there is there an appeal process to this or is it just final word so i was not clear on that myself and i just asked that question. What they said is the way it is currently written they is who . The deputy City Attorneys. Sorry. Just a lot of moving pieces very quickly on this. What they said is currently the way it is written, there is no appeal of review, this would just be affectual. I think if were ready, by december 1st, the office of cannibis could start issuing cannibis retail permits for the existing mcds and delivery businesses. What i was trying to say is there should be some level of this type of review, for the good actors i think would be pretty easy but for the ones that have work to do it would slow them down a little bit. What im saying, i understand the review process that youre suggesting, but at some point it seems like miss elliot is going to make a decision on her own to say yes or no and then which is giving her a lot of power. You dont have a condition right now, just you . There is no commission. If theres disagreement between one person and one business, is that it . I dont know the answer to that. I mean, if theres i think that the way that a lot of the administrative process works for the office of cannibis, there would be formalized approval of terms of an application. So this is a piece of that. Were talking about pieces of an application. This is the application for temporary, so if they have met that in satisfaction of that office, then that would happen. But there are certain things i think this is some discretionary review for sure, thats why i said in consultation with supervisors and input from the Police Captain. Thats the practice in the past. I will add that article 16 permits that create permanent use for adult use for that operator is appealable to the board of appeals. Okay. That clarifies everything. Thank you very much. Supervisor sheehy did you want to talk about i want to know the piece of existing businesses, its not like something is going to happen, people are still going in every day and purchasing cannibis. So its not like were introducing a new business, were just adding a use. And then if youre looking for where this is, its on page i think probably going in on page 88 there is a process and im assuming adding some things. Yeah. Particularly the management of security plan because i know theres varying degrees of ways in which businesses are securing themselves. Some have armed guards, some dont, some have bars ton windows, some dont. Theres all types of things like that. So i think it would be good to have a level of review in the transition. You want to have a second look before yes. Yeah. The Decision Maker would be the office of cannibis, but when you say supervisor, i assume youre eluding to the supervisor of the district. District. And the captain, which will know if there are disputes. That seems reasonable. For instance for our district, we have in engelside we have three in district 11 and i dont know how many are on the border of district nine. Thats the other part. I dont think theres anything on the southern part and the 1 on ocean avenue. I know in the past they are familiar with mcds. I want to be Crystal Clear. When the City Attorney shakes her head it makes me nervous. The decision of my office to review and approve a security plan and Good Neighbor policy is not appealable. However, once my office makes applications available, they have a duty to apply for the application within 30 days of becoming available and the article 16 permit is appealable to the board of appeals. I want to be Crystal Clear about that. Supervisor. Im assuming we have been having this discussion, many discussions, that were preparing ourselves for the transition to adult use january 1st. I think when we so what were asking is for current operators of mcds to actually submit a good Management Plan, a safety plan, Good Neighbor plan, goes through the Police Department for review, Public Health and your office also. Those are the steps. Is that correct . Is that what im hearing supervisor . Yes. So my question is would this delay at all the opening or allowable adult used to existing dispensaries because you must review them all and we are now going into a short month of november and short month of december quite frankly and it has to go through the Police Department. And i also feel that these dispensaries that have work to do still, it is a little unfair to say to do this without assistance on how to write a very good safety Management Plan and because we have never formalized an office before, theres nowhere a place to get assistance for making them good actors in this business. Are we willing to say those who are not good actors, well just get rid of them, or not be able to transition to adult use or will we say that we will actually extend an olive branch and say youve been operating for a while, your dispensary is having some issues and this is how you fix it. I dont know if they have had the assistance to be a successful mcd that is safe for the neighborhood and has a safety and Good Neighbor plan. Im hearing there are fences or people are not acting properly, but where is the vehicle in which for people to get this assistance to help to get them up to speed or are we willing to say, im asking my colleagues this, youve had a business for a couple of years, sorry, the last couple of years you have not been good so were saying you may not be able i think my questions are two pronged. One, again, will it delay the ability of existing mcds to transition to adult use now that theres a new process and were nearing the middle of november. Secondly, that what is the assistance that we will be offering i would assume it would be the office of cannibis that would give this type of assistance to mcds that either want to perfect their business or come in compliance with a Good Neighbor policy or safety Management Plan. Im hoping that your office would be the i mean, i would just assume that it would be your office in which the mcds would be able to assist with this type of assistance because who else has that knowledge. Quite frankly. So not only i guess im saying not to just say sorry, not in business anymore, but to say this is where you need help and this is the areas where we would like you to strengthen instead of on their own resources to become a responsible Small Business owner. Can i respond to that . Sure. What i did in our instance, i brought in all three of the mcds physically located in my district and asked them for their management and security plans and the couple that needed additional assistance, we started giving them direction and pointed them to the office of Small Business. They felt they were comfortable enough and the cannibis task force. Theres a lot of resources there, a lot of individuals with experience there, they have started to make significant process in terms of where they are, i think they see the motivation because they want to be a Good Neighbor. They have expressed that. They want to do a better job of managing their businesses and they want to be prepared to do adult use. And so, i think its both the carrot and the stick and at least in the last few months, i have seen significant progress. But i would say once the finalized plan is put in place, once i see it written and submitted and have an opportunity for review, then you see the changes on the ground. But i think there are a couple of different offices along with the office of cannibis, Small Business, cannibis task force. I think its a good point, what youre bringing up. But miss elliot, for the businesses i mean these are things that the businesses have had to do. Its not new to them. And its not unique to this particular industry either. Last week we were at the Entertainment Commission and a local bar had been asked to resubmit their Good Neighbor policy and asked to put in management and security plan and had not followed through on a number of things they were asked to do so the Entertainment Commission was reviewing their entertainment permit. There were significant offences there. Its not were not asking for anything unique for the industry and i think the reason i felt comfortable in terms of i heard supervisor yee and supervisor tang and some others on the land use discussion bring up mandatory dr reviews for permits on adult use, there were questions about transition. We had these conversations last week and were trying to formalize them. I focused on this because this is something that has been done. I felt like for the ones that were they were all familiar with it, theres just a matter of there might be work that needs to be done in some cases. If it slows down the few that needs work to do a little bit, but the ones currently operating at a high level in terms of management, security and Good Neighbor, it will be a quick resubmittal of the plan and review. The Police Department the Police Captain does not have to weigh in. Its recommendations from the Police Department and so its not their final approval. Its the office of cannibis. So, im not saying that im not i would expect a very thorough review quite frankly. I would expect a very thorough review, were asking them to submit a new safe Management Plan and a new Good Neighbor plan, i would expect your office to do a thorough exam of every application. Were entering a new arena. I just dont know. How would this affect your office and would you be able to process the dispensary applications for adult use in the before january 1st in order for them to open . All good questions supervisors. First, i agree with you, i would also expect a thorough review from my office. With that said, i cant commit to get all of them through by january 1st. Thats just not realistic because i dont know how much time it will take. But with that said, the security plan is defined in this ordinance is done in consultation with the Police Department and approved to the condition of the permit. We fully expect to develop rules and regulations associated with some of the plans. Many will not be developed and be public with long enough time frame to be put in place by january 1st for full transparency sake. With that said, those requirements through the rules and regulations would be applied in my mind, and i think through this legislation to article 16 permits. I think when it comes to the final final. Yes, final permit. When it comes the the security plan, a lot of it is assessing what existing mcds have in place for their security plans and ensuring theres no gaps when it comes to rolling out adult use january 1st and moving forward until they get article 16 permit meaning theyre in full compliance with rules and regulations. I was doing that to someone else. Sorry. Good neighbor policies, many operators have Good Neighbor policies as condition to the permit. I think a lot of it is getting the inventory of Good Neighbor policies and meeting the minimum requirement through the policies and trying to, again, just like the security plan, fill in deficiencies if there are some within the districts. I think it would provide for the opportunity if there are businesses with a certain number of complaints or areas for improvement i mean, i think im all in favor of everything that youre saying and i think this body has done this is what, the Third Special committee were having. Weve been spending a significant, significant amount of time on this. I think its justified. We dont want to slow peoples businesses down. Theres a mandate coming down from the state, but there is going to be a higher level of volume of people and customers given what were predicting. So because of that, particularly in areas where you might not have had the best operators and there might be gaps in terms of management and security, we have to have some level of rereview. If theres someone not operating to the level we expect, we want to have the final level of review to ensure theyre moving towards that, particularly given the increased volume. For one of the things i have heard on some of the ones that have been clustered together, theyre literal two doors down, we have a significant amount of parking problems and significant amount of problems of people that are customers going into the immediate homes that are just a few hundred feet away. We have to ensure theres a right level of management of that area. Weve had significant issues with surrounding businesses. But there have been improvements significantly over the last number of months and theres an incentive for all of the businesses to do that. I dont want to slow the process down, but at the same time, i think there has to be and i have heard from other supervisors, there has to be a level of review as we transition. Knowing we heard from miss elliot she cant commit to getting every permit reviewed for adult use, what is your suggestion about the bridge time . Is it that we allow it temporarily until theres a final review what do you suggest, hearing now from miss elliot that we would her office may not be able to finish all of the reviews by the end of the year and also that the rules for the plans arent ready yet and the regulations arent ready yet, that youre creating some right now. Is that correct miss elliot . The office will create rules and regulations to further implement this legislation supervisor. But those rules and regulations should be transparent for a period of time, should receive comment during that period of time, should be revised to reflect some of the comments. And so that will take time and thats always been envisioned as part of this process and that would be applied to article 16 permits not article 33 permits. The other thing i would say in response to that, i would imagine out of the 30 current operators, maybe theres six or seven that probably need some work. If we end up with 2025, probably 25 that are ready to go day one on january 1st and theres additional level of review on a small handful, i would feel comfortable with that. Okay. Can you do 2025 before the first of this year . I dont think she can commit to anything. She doesnt know what shes reviewing so far. I dont have the crystal ball. I cant say what sort of time it will take. We have this is a new office and we havent done that activity before. I wouldnt be confident saying to you this is how much time and how much we can do unfortunately at this time. I was just predicting based on current operating and what we have heard in the field. Supervisor sheehy, i know you have amendment as you want to make. Do you want to propose the amendments . Yes. Thank you. And thank you supervisors for allowing me time to update the committee with where we are on cannibis legislation. We have heard from many stakeholders about positions. Today, the legislation before the rules committee is better as a result. I want to take a moment to describe why i do this work. As someone who is openly h. I. V. Positive, i know myself the difference cannibis can make in a medical setting. Before the advent of effective h. I. V. Treatment, many people relied on cannibis to sustain appetite and alleviate pain. The club out of which came 215 and campaign for all rights and purposes was run from was on market street, a five storey building where the dylan law firm is now, it wasnt just to obtain medical cannibis, it was a hospice. In those days aids was effectively a death sentence and the medications really didnt come in that have saved my life and countless other peoples lives until late 1996, about the same time 215 came in. Medical cannibis is the reason why many, many people are still alive today who otherwise would have died from aids. Then when the drugs came in, the side effects were very severe. The first medications i took were fairly gassy but made it possible for me to be here today and frankly when i tested positive, i had not actually used cannibis since college but i found that that was the only way i could tolerate my medications. Scientific studies have found that where medical cannibis has been legalized, demand for opioids and opioid deaths are down. Today well offer three amendments in this particular piece of legislation on important issues, supply chain, compassion and consumption. For me, compassion is most important, you can find the amendments on page 9 and 10 of the amendments i passed out. The original ordinance did not allow distribution of medical cannibis, the conditions today allow that to occur, we must make sure patients get their medicine. Second, provide a path for adult use permits. These amendments on 3 and 5. Well do that so not only we have retail but supply chain ready to operate on january 1st. Finally we worked with dph to come up with language for them to allow existing consumption lounges under previously approved permits. Thats on page 12 and 13. If you want i can give you specific lines no, just talk about the general yeah. So thats it. I would say several places we strike medical in several places that allow the pipeline people to numerous places. I think it starts on page 3 line 11 and then it occurs page 4 line 13, line 22, page 5 line one, line 7, line 12 and line 16. What that does, allows pipeline operators opportunity to participate as they are currently. And it saves retail operators from having to go outside the city in order to fill their pipeline. I mean, we basically eliminate businesses that have been operating to date providing the pipeline for existing mcds to continue to do their business. And then the other one you didnt really speak about, the compassion program. Do you want to Say Something about that . Yeah, well, the compassion program. State law did not allow fto giv away cannibis. This allows a store front to have medical cannibis product at low or nominal cost for individuals qualified under California Health and safety code 1362. 7. This is page 10 line 8 to use medical cannibis. So it allows the director of the office of cannibis to adopt rules, regulations and guidelines applicable to compassion programs including but not limited to eligibility and applicable to those who may get it at low or no cost. In laymens terms, essentially the current laws dont allow for basically giving away cannibis. But what this allows for, if youre it says medical its only on the medical side, not the adult use side. No, not on the adult use side. I just want to be clear. Someone who would have to come in, they would still have a medical card. And then that person would it says no or minimal cost to low income individuals identified under California Health and safety code. Is that probably is what determines that theyre low income . Thats probably the section of the code how do they how do you verify theyre low income . I think that the health and safety code refers to the medical cannibis card. Thats right. Thats a reference to the state law who describes who is eligible to use medical cannibis, they have to be a qualified patient with a physician recommendation. And it says the director shall adopt rules, regulations and guidelines applicable to the compassion program. Thats where the rules will be set and where people will be qualified as low income and set a threshold. Thats the intention. Thank you. Any Committee Members have questions on these amendments . I have a couple of questions. Im just wondering, so were assuming that everything in the pipeline that is for adult use will be medical useless, is that an assumption or wrong assumption . The permits is for retail require all retailers to retain medical, they may say medical only but if they do adult use they must retain medical. But the ones in the pipeline, the new ones would offer medical and adult use, is that correct . I dont know what their plans are as operators, however they would be required to obtain medical. So they but new permits coming forward, dont require medical just adult use. Will there be some dispensaries that give medical and adult and some dispensaries just adult use . No, only dispensaries or retailers that are adult and medical or medical only. We are not proposing adult use only. Got it. Thank you for the answer. I have another question. Then have we set aside any provisions that actually clarify what medical if youre offering medical cannibis that provisions for medical patients for example many of the dispensaries in Washington State and oregon have everything packaged. So there is no loose product anymore, that it is all packaged. And so when we talk about a medical patient, much of it is trial and error, much of it is by the smell, much of it is by how this combination works with this combination because everybodys makeup is so unique. Will our medical marijuana dispensaries offer patients the ability to actually have this interaction with loose product or will everything be just packaged . I do think that medical marijuana is has a different purpose but then also its a different way of accessing its a medicine that actually interacts with your body and individuals very differently. The use of cannibis in a medical capacity is quite frankly before the aids epidemic but was also used before that for other remedies, too. All was medical use. Supervisor, under the application requirements for retailers on page 34 line 15 theres a provision in there that requires a description of how the applicant will support the needs of those who qualify under the health and safety codes to use medical cannibis including but not limited to providing space where customers may speak confident ally 1019. And ensuring sufficient supply of medical cannibis product. I think that might speak to your concerns. Not really. You want to be able to ensure that the patient has access to loose flower, is that your question . Yeah. I just think its sort of key when youre talking about medicine. Not everyones dosage is the same and not everyones medicine is the same. And this is why i think marijuana is so effective as a medicine, actually patients are able to access or combine strains sometimes or try out a strain to see how it works. And so, when everything is sealed in a package, it doesnt give you the ability to actually smell it or interact with product, and i think that is correct me if im wrong, i think its a large part of it. What i hear from people, from medical marijuana users, its about the interaction in your own individual body. That does not give that provision in the particular part of legislation. Also with my colleagues, do you feel its important or not important. Feel free to weigh in. Can i just ahead for a second, supervisor sheehy is the only medical cannibis supervisor. I would like him to weigh in. Thats kind of the practice now. I dont know that we need to put it in the law. Certainly if thats something we need to clarify within the actual regulations to implement the law by the director, i think thats probably it seems a level of a little too deep to require medical cannibis dispensaries to have loose leaf product. I think they do now. Everybody gives you the opportunity to look at at least for the ones i have been to, you get the opportunity to look at it and sample but when you look at other states that have introduced adult use, its all packaged. I have a question. Are you asking i have a question supervisor. I want to clarify what youre asking. Are you asking they write into the legislation that product, some of the product has to be loose . I think i would like assurance. Its great we can have a conversation here about it and i think its important. But if Going Forward around cannibis use for medical marijuana patients, i think we should have a provision that product will be accessible to medical patients in a loose form. I think if were going to go forward and we really believe patients need product to okay. I got it. Supervisor yee live comfortably. Yeah, so it would just maybe be a line or two and in one dispensary i went to, it was either washington oregon or, they had loose product on the side. The other ones had no loose product at all and said there was no loose product at all, were only doing it in packages that are sealed with dosages and that they never patients never touch the product and the only aaccommodation they gave to medical marijuana patients, they didnt have to pay the tax. But it didnt have any other provision for medical use. Im questioning it because im hearing thats an essential part of it being a medicine. Can i offer a suggestion, some of this stuff were doing in this transition period is going to be temporary, theyre going to be guidelines written, theres going to be implementation and oversight period and i just wonder if this is something have you heard this is an issue, you are seeing in the field in terms of whats currently out there or youre concerned were going to transition to it . No. Were only medical marijuana now. Were not adult use now. But when we switch to adult use i understand i want to make sure they have access. If you feel that you dont need to put this into legislation until we can add it later, but i actually feel its sort of important just in the and also with this new amendment that supervisor sheehy has just proposed, its all about medical marijuana and im thinking why not strengthen the ability for people to access this in loose form. Supervisor yee. Sure. Thank you supervisor fewer. Before you spoke, i was going in the opposite direction, whats the point of keeping records for mcds if everybody is walking in and buying whatever they want to buy anyway. But i think your argument makes some sense to me, not from my experience going into the mcds, so much as growing up with traditional chinese medicine, thats exactly what we do. You walk in, its not prepackaged. Those trained as a medical doctor will take your pulse and do all kinds of stuff and determine what combination of herbs and so forth would make sense to you as an individual and then goes to my sister and says youre going to do something else. So i think your argument makes a lot of sense. And i would be very supportive if there was language to continue allowing that and not having it all be prepackaged. Thank you. Supervisor sheehy, are you still on the call . Yeah. Maybe it would be helpful to describe the provisions. Youre not walking to a counter where everybody goes for everything. My understanding is adult and medical is separate. The supply chains are. And when you go in . The products are separate, yes. We talked about this early on when we were drafting to maintain youll still have experienced people knowledgeable about the medical uses, is there language in there about that . What language do we have to protect the medical side from being again, it would be that provision that would require i dont have it in front of me right now. I could track it down. Its the provision that requires the retailer to ensure theyre meeting the needs of medical patients, including through supply as well as privacy when it comes to that sort of consultation. We have the privacy provision. If people want to put more language, but could you handle it regulation dropping the rules do you have a general sense of whats there . I mean, do we want to require there be loose Product Available then we can do that. I would defer to the City Attorney as far as i could require that through rules and regulations. Any thoughts . Deputy City Attorney gibbner . If we do so, we probably want to add language about knowledgeable personnel. Say that again. Knowledgeable personnel. Can we do that with director or do we need to put the language in stipulating loose product and maintenances. Really, i guess when i think about it, its not really its just continuing best practice. But yeah, but if were doing legislation, you and i are temporary stewards of city government. It should be memorialized in legislation quite frankly. It doesnt matter if were having a discussion about it. Its about what will happen 10 years from now if adult use takes over and everything is all sealed. I mean i actually think because supervisor sheehy and i are used to herbalists, we understand that not all dosages and medicines affect people the same. I think its i dont think the provision in here is Strong Enough and it doesnt have to stay loose, but access to product that is not packaged. It doesnt have to say hey, loose leaf or whatever, i mean, i just think if we want to maintain the integrity of medical marijuana. No, i got it. Sometimes we need legislation that protects forever the integrity of medical marijuana. Okay. So deputy City Attorney gibbner. Hold on supervisor. Go ahead. In response to in response to supervisor sheehys question about the directors authority. Director has which director are we talking about . Miss elliot. The director has pretty Broad Authority to adopt rules and regulations, getting into this but not specifically defined. So if the board is interested in ensuring that she has authority to require medical cannibis retailers to provide an adequate mix of products to clients, we could add that into the ordinance rather than specifying you must have this much loose product, we could say director may or shall adopt rules and regulations ensuring diverse mix of products for medical patients. So, my comment is i think that would be fine except this is a lot of authority to the director. Im just going to say that the director here today is nicole elliot, the director here in five years could be somebody completely different that doesnt believe in medical marijuana. Im just im just saying that we are now as the supervisors on the verge of creating ordinances that will regulate a huge business. We have no idea where this is going to head but we do know the past relationship with marijuana and our past relationship with marijuana has been medical and it has proven to be successful as medical. And so i just want to make sure that we have the integrity of the Medicinal Marijuana is still in place and protected for those thousands of patients. I think you make a