Changes and significant changes about very what you see as very big problems, when you use a sledgehammer instead of a tiny point, you can do more damage in the effect you have on the smaller nonprofits who are already monitored or already account for every penny we spend in our monitoring and our contracts and everything that you do. When you begin adding more layers of accountablity for very small things because youre trying to get at a very big target, you do more harm than good, so id ask you to keep that in mind. We appreciate the time and effort thats gone into all of this, the changes that were listened to and thoughtfully put into the document you have before you. We have debbie my colleague, debbie, indicated we still have concerns about a number of the items, but we would hope, at this point, you would be ready to move this onto the board and let them take care of the finetuning. Thank you. President keane thank you. My name is january masoca. Im the director of the California Association of nonprofits, kind of a chamber of Commerce Association statewide. We have more than 10,000 nonprofits nationwide, and our office is here in San Francisco. So im a San Francisco resident, i work in San Francisco, im a volunteer for San Francisco nonprofits, and im also a donor for San Francisco nonprofits, and i commend the commissioners and the Human Services network for working so hard on changing this legislation, but i have to say that i am shocked at what is a deeply flawed maybe unfixable piece of legislation with very deeply troubling aspects to it. Yes, behested corruptions are a part of behavior [ inaudible ] behesteh contributions are sometimes a simple measure of goodwill. I recently gave money to the Eugene Mccarthy center for Public Service because a neglected official asked me to do so as part of his facebook birthday wish list. I have no financial interest and i dont want to be suspect for having done so. We know that over reaching laws has unintended very dangerous and often permanent consequences. For example, overreaching in the fight against terrorism has resulted in discrimination against arab people, partially legally and partially because such laws have had the unintended consequences of setting the tone that all arab people are dangerous. We know that overreaching tenants has made landlords reluctantant to rent to anybody whos four years or older because of a fear of being able to remove that person for legitimate reasons at a later point. This bill is fundamentally a deep overreach. It is an over reach that would create an unenforceable bureaucracy in San Francisco, which is just what we dont need, some more bureaucracy. Its expensive to nonprofits who dont have the funds to comply with it. It makes it dangerous to volunteer as a board member because it makes me suspect as a person when i ask other people to support an organization or a cause that i believe in. And it makes making a donation to a nonprofit a suspicious activity instead of an admirable activity. For those reasons, i understand many of you have said, weve worked so hard on this. Weve worked on it for a long period of time, but if youre traveling on a rugged path in the wrong direction, no matter how hard you struggle in the wrong direction, you still have to turn back. Good evening, commissioners. Peter cullen with the kouk on Community Housing organizations. Just want to take a couple minutes to thank you, staff and commissioners for the several months of process and from where we were in the summertime and evening in the late spring to where, how this has evolved now. Its in a direction thats much more comfortable for us. All those concerns youve heard about, i dont disagree with, but fundamentally, this is a different piece of legislation this issue than it was before, so we move you to move to a disclosure regime instead of restrictions and bans, which seem arbitrary to us. We gave you feedback over the last month and a half about that disclosure and where youre going to get the most bang for your buck, and i feel that most of those comments were listened to. I feel that this legislation has evolved in the right direction. The details do matter, and i just want to reinforce what youve heard from several speak speakers. As this moves out of this chamber tonight, which i believe it will, wed like the board to get into the details, get into the weeds. The weeds matter very very much at an operational level. Were at, all of us, in uncharted waters, and so the nonprofit in particular is going to be the guinea pig for this, and we would ask you have the patiences for the board of supervisors to go through their hearings, to hear about this details from the structure that you have here, and finetune in ways that make this workable, and if thats the spirit of what the commission is doing tonight, thats the direction and the process that we want to continue to support. This is not the end, this is a good milestone. One specific substantive comment you heard that i want to reinforce is the definition of interested party. That seems to change quite significantly, the net, if you will, thats cast. Our understanding was what staff was trying to do here is build upon what weve now referred to as the peskin legislation, which was adopted previously, goes into law in january , which establishes Disclosure Requirements on certain types of electeds or in this Case Commission members who makes behests or requests. That is the nexus or the trigger for which that reporting would be required, and again, for reasons that escape me, theres been a number two, little number two added to that definition that expands it to a person who actively supports or opposes a governmental decision. Irrespective of a quote, matter or financial interest, thats the span of the universe that troubles us. Theres no rationale for that, and it dramatically changes the nature of folks that are potential donors with City Government and is a bit troubling, so wed like to see that removed or changed at the board as we get to that step. Thank you. President keane thank you. Excuse me, mr. Chairman. I may have a questifew questio this gentlemen. Are you familiar with this committee that donated yes i am. Okay. I am familiar with this document. On page 2, the back page, youve raised three additional issues, you called them. You say you raised them previously. First one, nonprofit boards of directors. Are members of your board of directors paid . No. Ive served on probably ten nonprof nonprofit boards of directors without payment. What board of directors nonprofit is paid. As far as i know, theyre not. All right. But that is the point, commissioner, is that the all right. Thank you. These restrictions apply whether its a compensated or uncompensated board member id like to find one of those nonprofit boards. That is an issue that weve raised before. It is a friendly suggestion. Just want to make sur e it get on the record. Next, disclosure of bidding information. Where do you find that in section 1126. Id have to refer to my colleague on that one. They have three, which refers any respective party to a contract shall, by the submission of a proposal for such contract. The word proposal may need changes, as i pointed out today to our executive director, because a proposal, to me, means an rfp response, not a competitive bid, but theres no reference to a competitive bid there. Is there . Im happy to have debbie speak to bullet point number three. Why is that . Why is that . Yeah. Because she knows this issue better than i do. All right. Thank you, mr. Chairman. Yeah, wheres the Competitive Bidding . Is. The staff drafted this. I know the staff drafted it. The ordinance which was approved last month. Yes. If i may make sure i get suppose were now asked to approve again this month, but where is the Competitive Bidding in that section 1126 . Its not, i guess. Kyle can answer that. I dont think the issue here for that was raised in that letter that you have, but what youre that the Competitive Bidding item. Youre looking, commissioner, at agenda item 7, page 18, number 2, its at the top of the page. I believe thats the main provision. I know that, as entering into a contract. Yep. And the next one says notification by prospective parties. Any Prospective Party, shall, by the submission of a proposal for such contract. It doesnt say by the time of submission of a bid for the proposal. All right. Thank you. That answers the question. Commissioners, ray hart, director of San Francisco open government, and ill be honest with you, im confused as held. First, commissioner kopp made a motion to go into executive session, and you kind of blew past that, and you made a motion, which was seconded, and then, you took public comment, and im not even sure which of those motions were commenting on, and the idea that you approved something last month, changed what you approved, and now its sort of proforma, automatically, to be approved here, i dont know where that argument came from. It made no sense at all. If you made changes to what you said last month, you have to approve it before you submit it to the board of supervisors, otherwise, you have two documents out there. One youre approving this month, and one youve approved last month, and which should the staff send to the board of supervisors. I have i have to say, i agree with the members of the public who talked about the nonprofit issues. Youre going to make it so i dont want to contribute any money to anything, and i dont want to ask anybody to contribute any money to anything. If im in the shriners or im going to ask somebody to contribute, im not going to because i have to go before the board or commission, and all i have to disclose that i asked somebody to give whatever. Most big retail outfits like safeway, right on the little thing that you pay, it says, do you want to donate a dollar to the muscular dystrophy . Do we have to tell every customer that walks through safeway, oh, is this a behested payment, and if you want to make a payment to any board or commission, you have to follow this to the letter of the law. Well, if you will ai have to do is push a button to give you a dollar, thats one thing. If i give you a dollar and i have to fill out forms and papers and send them to somebody, thats ridiculous. And i have to find myself agreeing with commissioner kopp. Who is ae going to look at this . You know, basically, ive spent the last eight to ten years working on sunshine matters, and its not because what you would like people to think, that im just being a pain, its because i think freedom of speech is an important thing. Ive taken the oath, whether it was in the military or serving on commissions in hawaii to support and defend the constitution, and the reason i fight for these things is because some people dont have the resources to go to court and get, you know, a judge to rule that their speech is protected. So basically, ive gone through all of these efforts because there are a lot of people out there whose attitude is, why should i even bother to go to the Sunshine Task force because theyre not going to enforce the rules that they make, and that falls on you, so i dont really think that you know what youre doing here tonight. Hello, commissioners. Larry bush from friends of ethics. I think a number of issues have been conflated here. Id like to deconstruct them to the best of my understanding is. The main point of all of this has been to open up government so that we have an ability to participate in decisions. Things which create barriers to our ability to participate are things that we oppose. For example, voter id checks, changing polling hours at certain locations, those all inhibit an ability to participate. What we have seen for the last few months has been an effort to trim back and repeal things which provided the public greater access to decisions so that it became trimmed again and again and again. Take a look at one example a provision that says that you can only fund rairaise if its a person who appointed you. Thats not the way it works. Anyone who works in city hall knows that if the mayor appoints somebody, as you did hydroth hydromendozas election. She didnt appoint them, but under this rule, they can give money to any person that the mayor wants to see supported. Thats not the way the real world works. Thats not going to provide the kind of protection of the public against an infrastructure of an army of political apparatus. Furthermore, the notion that behested payments can operate in some kind of a silo where its only a request that goes before your own commission, and not if you were making a request of someone who isnt before your commission but is an seeking other city approvals doesnt count. Its not a disclosure, so what if youre on the rec and Park Commission, and you go to somebody whos actually got business before the Park Commission . Is that something that youre going to disclose . Not under the way this is written, as i understand it. And yet, the rec and park bond pays for stuff at the port, so theres clearly a relationship. All in all in San FranciscoCity Government, things go back and forth, but heres the biggest loophole of all thats been created, and that is you have commissions that make major decisions that have no commissioners, so the Mayors Office of housing and Community Development, which handles billions of dollars in housing and billions of dollars in Economic Development has no commissioners. We had an election about putting commissioners over that group, and the mayor came out strongly opposed to it. So whats goios going to over somebody whos asking for donations to the mayor office of housing and Community Development . Nobody. Its a blind alley for everybody. City law already recognizes that commissioners have a conflict of interest. Its why we banned them from having compensation for advocacy for other commissions. There are restrictions that normally exi naturally exist that say that commissioners have a natural deference and they cant use their position to make money or to generate money. They also cannot even write a letter to another commission if theyre being compensated for it. I know my time is up. I wish it werent because i would talk about the private right of action where you could split the baby on that one. Well, mr. Chairman, i move mr. Bush, im afraid you president keane well, commissioner kopp has moved that you get one more moment. Any objection to that . One minute more sfl thank you. No objection. Go ahead. A private right of action can be done that you just allow the court to assess a penalty, rather than say that the penalty be shared with the person who files the thing. I dont like that, but thats better than having nothing. At least you would have some accountablity for the person who did something wrong. As you have it now, this is a dead letter provision because its never enforced. Its never invoked. Commissioner chiu asked whether there were other laws that provide a compensation to someone whos not directly harmed. The answer is yes, and it was tasked in july at the insistence of people here at the housing nonprofits that said that a housing nonprofit can sue a landlord who wrongfully evicts people for an owner move in, and then, the nonprofit collects the money that was wrongly collected, and yet here they are saying this is an incentive to get peoples lawsuits. Well, they thought it was a great incentive for them. Why shouldnt it be an incentive for the public . Thank you. President keane thank you. There being no further public comment, we have a motion to approve the ordinance and send it onto the board of supervisors. Its been seconded. All those in favor wait, wait. I want to fix this language problem. President keane all right. Commissioner kopp from the ordinance, f23, and ill read, any Prospective Party to a contract subject to subsection b shall, by the date of execution of such contract by the party inform any member, etcetera. Id like to make one comment on that, and thats that commissioner kopp huh . Id like to say in response, just to highlight what that change would do, is that parties that are bidding, that are seeking contract are already subject to to section 1. 126 before they actually execute the contract, so they wouldnt be getting notice until the contract was executed, whereas as written, they would get notice at the time the proposal is submitted, so at the time they become subjects to 1. 126, they would be getting notice from the organization. Commissioner kopp well, whats your language . As written, well, when the organization that knees individuals, the directors, officers, shareholders and subcontractors, when the entity that theyre affiliated with submits the proposal to become a city contractor, at that point, the Organization Must notify each of these individuals that theyre subject of 1. 126 from that time. Commissioner kopp well, i disagree. Its ambiguous. I think were open commissioner kopp i think ill leave it up to the other commissioners, because im voting no on it any way, but thats pretty poor language. President keane any other commissioner want to agree with commissioner kopp in regard to altering that language . All right. We have the motion before us, commissioners. All those in favor of the motion, say aye. Opposed . Commissioner kopp no. President keane the motion passes, 41. We should transmit the ordinance to the board of supervisors with our recommendation that they pass it. Commissioner chiu mr. Chair. President keane yes. Commissioner chiu can i just ask a question. President keane sure. Commissioner chiu maybe this is for the director or the city attorney. In addition to the ordinance that we will be forwarding to the board of supervisors, would it be possible for us to attach some of the comments that we have with the or tdinance that already pass or if we cannot do it as a commission, can we do it as an individual . We can certainly send it as a party of the legislative record what the commission had and received so that would be something thats just part of the attachments for the background from the board. President keane okay. Lets take a tenminute break. President keane were back in session, and we move now to agenda item 8, part of which we took earlier, and that is discussion and possible action on monthly staff policy report and update of the commissions annual policy plan. And theres an attachment that and theres so there are a number of things in that that we should go through one at a time. Sure, yes. So i i just want to highlight, we are, again again, modifying our policy report a little bit, but were basically dividing it into two sections now. Our current ongoing policy initiative is just so you can all sort of see what we sort of have on the plates of staff. And then, section 2 is really those planned items that reflect items that had been planned on the annual policy plan. So what were hoping is that we can get more of your that is, the commissions direct action when it comes to adding or taking items off of staffs sort of sort of just plate, so we know specifically sort of what the priority of the items are that you would like to see something forward, just in terms of adequately, you know, putting staff time in those areas that the Commission Sees most fit, and you know, moving around those items that may be less priority. Specifically, if just, then, to get into the sort of ongoing items, i wont speak about the anticorruption and accountablity ordinance. You all just passed that. We again we briefly already touched on the related informational item there regarding the private right of actions or ktan provisions in some cases. The staff nonvoting ordinance, steph proposed a technical modification. Commissioner kopp you lost me. Where are we . Page 2, agenda item 9. We proposed a technical modification to that legislation. We had actually attempted, as staff, to include that as part of the final version that you all voted on, but we missed that, so we proposed that as a technical change. The supervisor accepted accepted that change in the legislation. It was, again, very technical, so so much as theres no questions about it, i wont go into details about it. It was very minor. The sunshine ethics information that you voted to send over to the board of supervisors was sent in october. It has to sit there for 60 days, and they need to accept or reject those. We havent had any follow up to that at this point. Another item that i want to focus on because i think this is going to be a very important item Going Forward, and were hoping to have this before you before january , hopefully, is the final item on page 2, which is the email form 700 project. We are going to be proposing and weve sort of discussed this briefly before a set of regulations that sort of set the table for moving all form 700 filers to to doing that electronically on a reporting system, not just those designated filers, but in order to do that, we need to cleanup some of the regulations that currently exist for designates filers just because theres been changes of technology. Weve had changes from our i. T. Staff has made changes to make the website more user friend, all those regulations need to be updated to reflect the sort of current logic to the system, and then we can transfer that sort of information over to all filers, and were hoping to have those regulations before you in january. Yes . And i just just one additional note, by my oversig oversight kraen kraen commissioner chiu has a question. Kyle, with regard to the e filing roll out, if the item comes to us at next months meeting, does this mean it would be able to be rolled out in the next e filing form 700 in april . Unfortunately, i dont think were going to make it that round. I dont think were going to make it with the changes that need to be made to the net system, unfortunately. Commissioner chiu thank you. One additional note that we should have here and will have Going Forward is the the whistleblower protectional order amendments. Supervisor breed asked for it to be referred to the department of Human Resources, the controller and meet and confer. We confirmed this week with the department of Human Resources that they are now going to be scheduling that meet and confer process, so we will provide you with greater in depth updates so that that item stays in radar and we get it through that process and back to the board for its action, but i wanted to make sure, its not here but it will be, so just noting that. Yeah, and then just so moving forward then, on the planned and pending projects here, first, let me highlight the legislation, and i want to point out specifically for commissioner kopp, agenda item 8, page 9, we have the agenda legislative tracker on this, or at least an outline of that. I hope thats a little more of what you were looking to see. Commissioner kopp yeah. I understand its small. Its mean for more online viewing. It doesnt fit very well on an 8. 5by11 sheet, so i wanted to point that out that we forget in our oversight last month. Again, thats highlighting or excuse me, that document highlights where in the process those are. Obviously, the states legislative session has ended. Going back to our local legislation, the file number 17038, supervisor cohens legislation, this was regarding and we briefly discussed this a couple of months ago now, june, it appears, this is regarding excuse me regarding certain disclosures of the elected regarding the elections and the elected members on the certain the retiree boards and the pension boards. We are continuing to work with supervisor cohens staff on that. We have just heard some initial emails after they took staffs just recommendations, and we are just starting to sort of move back up on that process. We just heard about that last week before we all left on the holiday vacation, so i imagine we will have more of that for you in december and january about a proposal that i believe you all thought that the the intent of that was a good project. We will continue to move forward with that. And now, sort of getting to the large item that was addressed, as the supervisor spoke this morning, file number 170868, you heard supervisor kim give her presentation regarding her ordinance that would amend a number of the Campaign Finance requirements of the commission, and i i think the main point that we as staff and then perhaps you all could provide us with some direction as to this point is i think you all have said and have had an eye towards having a a strong and enforceable camping finance regime and system of laws that support the purpose and intent of the Campaign Finance reform ordinance. I think us as staff, we would like to fully analyze this this project more fully than we could have provided for you today, so i think we have provided you just with some potential open questions and issues that we have with the legislation. But i think for us Going Forward, we would really like some direction on the priority for this item and when you would like to see us sort of giving you a fuller analysis of the legislation thats pending. Obviously, the supervisor and her staff, we have been working with them, but we really havent had the time to fully analyze sort of the prescriptions that are that are in the virgin in the version that you all have had in front of you today. Commissioner kopp i think in the meeting on friday where youre going to be present, i understand, and commissioner chiu and i are going to be there, as well, with supervisor kim, well get this more crystallized at that point, and we can proceed from there. It sounds like a good plan. Commissioner chiu chair keane, if i may . President keane yes. Commissioner chiu i think on that note, just because she has mentioned looking at Public Finance, and youll be getting to it i dont mean to steal your thunder, but as a policy agenda, we had before us also looking at the Public Financing system here in San Francisco, so what i would like to ensure is we have a comprehensive process and we dont work to reinvent the wheel and she does something and goes down the track and were trying to play catch up or undo or mitigate the things that shes been doing so that if we can join forces and work collaboratively together to create a holistic review and assessment and changes moving forward, i think that would be something that that would be important to me. President keane maybe if you both can think of that before fridays meeting and sort of brief us on any thoughts that you have as to how we should approach supervisor kim regarding those things. Certainly. We can definitely provide you with some preliminary remarks. President keane thats great. So switching over to page 4, the other planned projects, again, these were sort of things, again, why we sort of need to revisit our where you would like us to focus our attention Going Forward because we have the annual policy plan that had these items setup. Weve had to push them back a couple times now. I think these are sort of the Major Projects that are pending down the line for us the review of the conflict of interest code. Weve heard complaints about that code in interested persons meetings, from filers, so we know theres issues us as staff, just reviewing the legislation i think theres areas that can be improved, and some of those areas are improved with your anticorruption ordinance, but theres certainly room for further improvement there. Then, again, you have all just voted to put put towards the the board of supervisors a number of new ordinances and amendments regarding the Campaign Finance reform ordinance, so in order shortly shortly hereafter will be i think well have to go back and look really hard at the Campaign Finance ordinance regulations. I dont think any of them have been modified for sometime, and they will need updating and will require updating if and when the anticorruption ordinance passes. And then, the third item, again, as commissioner chiu just highlighted, we need to do a more comprehensive review and determine whether and or what changes, if any, need to be made. How well our Public Finance system is working, and how well Public Financing systems theres a whole sort of body of policy documents and case law that have sort of made some changes as to how people are looking at Public Financing, so we really need to look at how our systems working in the current sort of regime that exists. We certainly have a number of localities to look at to see which and how certain other systems are operating, and so again, i think we need to really get into that. Its an important issue, in addition to sort of the what people call the supply side restrictions of Campaign Finance, restricting peoples dollars into the system. We have to sort of reduce the demand fore thos demand for those dollars, and one way you do that is by having a Public Finance system back abundant. And again, any direction related as to how these item sit is much appreciated. President keane so commissioner. Commissioner chiu so just to my fellow commissioners, we started tonight with a policy agenda, and weve made progress against some many of these items, and that lots of things come up in the interim, so i think it would be helpful to me, and also, what i think i hear from staff asking to is for a lot of these things coming at coming out unexpectedly as things in life always do, but we are we have finite resources and finite time. We only meet 11 times a year, so what are the what are those what are those policy matters that are top priority i think is the question that staff was asking us. So i think it would be a great opportunity now since we have new items, old items, its the end of the calendar year and that were heading into a new year next year to get clear on what you know, how do we want to be spending our time . Yes, thank you, commissioner. That is well said. And again, i know im sort of belaboring some of these points here, but i just want to run through these sort of recently identified projects on page 4 here. These have been recently identified or theres been requests for staff, again to sort of use their limited resources to evaluate some of these other proposals. So again, the social media and Election Integrity item, thats something that supervisor kim addressed. Commissioner chiu has expressed, commissioner lee has expressed an issue in this item. Its something thats very apparent as a current item in front of everyone, so its certainly something that is important to everyone that we need to continue to evaluate. Something that was asked about last time was the misuse of Public Financing funds. Weve had a number of conversations internally about this. There are a number of laws that currently exist requiring the auditing thats required to be placed on publicly financed candidates, so again, i think we need to continue to review whether we need to go forward with a a any provision in addition to what we have now to just ensure that there isnt any duplication that has been addressed that has been a concern of the commission. So question, if i may. President keane yes. Kyle, in regard to these specific items, c2 on page 4. Yeah. Is that something that wocod be rolled into a broader Public Finance review and assessment that could incorporate looking into these issues . Yes. I think thats appropriate. As youll see in our recommendation, youll thank you for pointing it out specifically. Yes. I think its an item that may largely be already addressed, but i think we would want to do a fuller evaluation, but i think appropriately as you stated on the specific narrow issue for looking broadly at Public Finance, it would be incorporated broadly into that public review. Yes. Another sort of similar issue here going on that was raised at the last meeting was the prohibition on what are known as the cashout pros. The board of supervisors as you know when we addressed this previously had an ordinance in front of them. They voted that down. We were asked to re sort of evaluate what we could do here, but in our evaluation, in reaching out, weve been informed that they do have a policy on this item. It is still an important issue that may warrant further action, but i think it would perhaps behoove us to set aside some time for further review with the mocd people to further clarify what is on the books now and what we can do, if anything, Going Forward. So i think thats staffs recommendation is to set it aside but maybe have a subset of the commissioners sort of sit down with mocd and other interested parties and flush out sort of any additional items that are necessary for this matter. The two remaining items were also proposed last time, the Sunshine Ordinance Task force removal. Staff before you get to that sure. I note this paragraph, quoting the office of housing and Community Development. I would like a copy of that what is it . A memorandum or a letter . Email . Yeah, well call it we will call it its less informal than a letter. Its a statement of sorts. I place less credence in that. I want to see it. Fair enough. Okay. So just quickly, the last two items. They were proposed last time. Wed like wed like further direction on this, just, you know, with the number of items, again, that we have in front of us. There was a request for to for a kyle, if i can, on those last two items. Yes. If we could just, for a moment, address the second one first, because i have a personal specific reason in terms of my schedule. Your recommendation on the discussion about an independent city attorney, that that be discussed at our december 2017 meeting. We the special calendar that was set last year and because of the holidays coming up, the Christmas Holidays coming up, we dont meet on our regular date. Our regular date for meeting is december 18th at 1 00 p. M. Im unavailable then, and i definitely want to be in on this discussion, so if its okay, id like that recommendation regarding the city attorney, that we discuss that at our january meeting rather than our december meeting. Well, wait. Arent we having a tuesday meeting in december . No, no, were having aymo a monday yeah, monday. What time . Its a special time. Oh. It was a special meeting set on last years calendar to accommodate, and im not available. All right. So you want to put it over, and thats, what, january. Whatever that january meeting is, thats fine with me. Fourth monday. Oh, thats right. January 12th. January 12th . Thats fine. Okay. Is that okay, commissioners, that we do that in january . Okay. Now, you can go back to, kyle, that first one. What about the other one . What do the sunshine ordinance . You say table or set aside, what do you mean, set aside . You mean table, as in bury is . Well, i think its if were going to consider what all the current things, theres a large and comprehensive review that needs to take place for that, and considering the other okay. Necessary projects, im not sure. So do you want to kick it over to january . I dont know if we have a timetable for this item. Lets not do january , because i think the discussion relating to the city attorney, thatll probably take up quite a bit. All right. How about february. I mean, youre getting close now to the june primary. I think we would like the commissions policy take on it, honestly. Well i think commissioner kopp, the reason we made the recommendation that we did is because we do unbalance all the other items that we need to tackle, and theyre very substantive and complex matters. In order to do those justice, taking on number four would really threaten our ability to do that well, so we again, as a staff recommendation for you all to react to and have a different view about it, if you think, is that we dont think this should take priority over those other issues, and we want the commissions sense over time about where you all as a body see the priority nature of this item, given everything that we need to be tackling. Well, whats the deadline to submit matters to the registrar of voters . I believe for is it february for the june ballot . Yes. February for the june ballot. So what youre doing is killing this until