Allen davidson and discussed this matter they were in agreement it is likely we have the kitchen that was legal since 1891 since the wash trays in the report and hopefully spoke to mr. Duffy as mr. Davidson said he would and i hope mr. Duffy has something to add and take into account the points. This is one story on the original record from 1891 and interests a lot of skrrgsz i beg you find out before you make any further rulings and wait for the nov to be rewritten. Have a question you showed on the overhead an agreement from the Water Company dated sf 81 is there a space downstairs. No, we have 3 rooms. Probably could be actually. So you know according to this the whole building is 1335 and one water closet. It says one bath and one water closet not two separate bathes only one toilet and one bath right. Yes. Yes. I agree we were trying to point out the two wash trays. Maybe a second wash tray but only one bath. To the sink in the bathroom and the wash trays refer to a kitchen sink. But what im talking about one bath and one water closet. Actually were not disputing it was an spent family home were disputing this roaches the kingdom e kitchen legal since 1891 it canned a wash tray. So lets say your switch kitchen is legal but your bathroom is not youll have a kitchen in order to use the bathroom. It has been grandfathered in dbi just did it. All right. And like a week or two weeks ago. Well hear from the department and any other questions. Thank you very much. Sir. Members of the board charles owner of 57 eureka appellants are here simply for the purpose of delaying my compliance with a notice of violation their appeal must be depend based on the following appellants arguments are previously been addressed by the board in a prior hearing and in the case no. 15 o4 arguments regarding the legality of the appellants units and the correction of the notice of violation and the alteration permit have been determined in case 15043 appellants discussions in their brief about the configuration of the units are irrelevant to the issues currently before the board the electrical and plumbing permit to allow the work to be performed under this previously approved alteration permit this board very own decision in case no. 15 dash 043 upholding the site another permit one needs to check the wiring to code was permitted the electrical and plumbing permit before this board is fully conforming with the alteration permit in the previous decision no need for further item shall think for those permits or to remove an unauthorized plumbing and wiring as ascertained the appellant exclaimed the fees charged by the department of department of building inspection and other unrecommended citations must be ignored the issue is simply whether the electrical and plumbing permits are proper i therefore request that the board deny this appeal and allow me to proceed with the necessary work in order to abate the notice of violation this has been going on for 3 years going on the third year id like to put an end to it any questions . Thank you. Mr. Duffy. Good evening, commissioners joe duffy dbi this two permits the electrical and plumbing as your heard in connection with the Building Permit to remove the illegal unit on the ground floor it was uphold and typically on a notice of violation we do ask they obtain separate electrical and plumbing permits as well as the Building Permits you cant do the work loan to remove the illegal units is where he that and the notice of violation was issued as a result of a complaint back in december 2014 i believe and then that resulted in a notice of violation being issued by Senior Housing inspector allen i should read it, it is significant enough because of the some of the statements that happened here this evening that illegal use of this building is a singlefamily dwelling on one floor of occupancy two floors of occupancy and one added behind the garage with a full bath and kitchen area the permit failed to show evidence of valid permits to alternate this to its present use there are a number then of items that are listed on here the following hazard exists unapproved wirings and smoke detectors that was recorded light and ventilation and no egress and no Carbon Monoxide alarms action that was instructed to be taken was submit a copy of this notice and who sets of plans to legalize the ground floor or to revert is to its legal use plumbing and Electrical Permits and the permits and finalize the permits to abate this you must contact the intersecting after those improvements about some of the statements mr. Davidson raising that notice of violation i was contacted today i will say 415 or 4420th century has mr. Boskovich spoken to you and mr. Davidson came we we discussed the case the senior holy ghost inspector i stated he wasnt revising the notice of violation i think that was a meeting this morning it seems like it happened this morning think between the chief Housing Inspector according to mr. Davidson he said hes not changing the notice those people said he was this is a quandaryy i guess we can get it in writing but hes not changing it for the board hes to the revising it i dont like standing up here in the position of he said she said the other thing the Water Department records are you see them all the time as part of my work thank you dbi and i recognize commissioner Vice President honda making the point about the number of bath tubes and light fixtures i will say the downstairs units has been there a long time weve discussed it; however the department wrote the notice of violation based on the permit research theres records i havent seen those but thats not unusual so sfeerdz the permits are correct for the Building Permit upheld but from the board needs mississippi more research ill have to go back and get that im available to answer any questions. I have one i know its late i appreciate everyones patience the question bring it tobacco to the prior use somewhere in the briefs that are two gas meters and so then the appellants has raised a question of the gas to be capped is that common i thought that will have to be brought back. Normally caps has to go back to the source of cap. And the original source of the property is a singlefamily residences will two gas meters indicate someone elses. Ive seen singlefamily homes ive been told not to put too much into that. Thats why i asked that. We dont put a lot into that. When will you seek to. You can have them for different areas of the house some people have them theres singlefamily homes with multiple meters. It is common to see a two unite with 3. Exactly and some for the common areas and singlefamily homes i need to do more research but in my experience over the years ive seen singlefamily homes with double meters sometimes penguin or the gas company in those days maybe not a illegal unit but im not sure what the process is i dont know what pg e rules are today. I want one for my son. Just to clarify i thought you said the permits at issue were written appropriately but are you arresting are perhaps the plumbing one isnt flushed out not testifying where the cap should be. Well, it could be if you want to take it apart it is definitely i mean, i think the word cap resource is missing but cap with the plumbing inspector is going to do say hey, you cant switch at the is to have but bring it into the wall and plumbing inspection will catch that thats my understanding the removal of the 0 stove and the gas pipes. We can add something. Im satisfied the harder part wherever i believe that unit has been there a a long time this violation was written im trying to explain we have a placement a department writing up a notice of violation and permit to comply there was a lot of opportunities here when the notice was written the department cough revised this notice of violation and said if youve got a notice of violation and youre living somewhere and the department of building inspection is saying why not go back in december and try to get that roved so were not at this. 6 or eight months later i dont know why that didnt happen i spoke to those people amateur is last hearing when those are written theres a time set the if and from the department is wrong theres something on the notice you want to get it amended so something is not enforced so mr. Davidson rising the notice of violation is you know maybe he changed the language were at a plan here it is a difficult one. Is that one of the things in those cases we dont know history other than you know fragments and snapshots a little bit of 1931 and other manufacture i dont know the characteristics of the family that lived there originally we dont know that they had a religious Climate Change a consciouslyer kitchen and a lot of stuff we made the assumptions i know with all the snip the that wasnt, in fact a singlefamily dwelling might have two kitchens for a variety so isnt is it dangerous to say maybe the gas was put in there theirs thats the original position of the home that makes me i understand were maybe removing residential inventory but were making assumptions an snippets and maybe the original condition of the home. My understanding of Housing Inspection Services they do a permit research and the Water Department record if someone has it tonight on those on the Water Department with the one or two family it says that but it looks like people its been their benefit or not if the Water Department if youre home comes up and a lot of the stuff starts with the Water Department if one or two families but well look at it on the overhead the leg use but we Housing Inspection Services i dont think they go into the Water Department records so thank you. Mr. Sanchez. Its a dbi appeal has the city something. Thank you skoomdz. This was previously upheld was properly processes there are no things on the property and this is one of the issues that was raised i wanted to get that on the record should the Property Owner want to legalize the permit. Any Public Comment on this item . Good evening, commissioners im pat a neighbor im doing this concerned how we look at history paralyzing on 3rs that is bans a 3r report not to my shock the assessor records based on the misted 4 permits one for a garage one unit crossed off the other permits the basis for a singlefamily home is a roofing permit and two window permits i live a singlefamily homes i can get a roofing permit 50 years from now is that legal it is exactly with the Water Department record and the assessor oversee was done in sf thirty it hospital has two kitchens and one bathroom thats a problem theres a lot of internal stairs if you look at shocking you mention that that is a consciouslyer kitchen and diagram for you go downstairs it as 8 foot ceilings the dining room is 18 the downstairs is original so i think it was built original downstairs the other issue with the Water Department record says two stories the way they define stories it wasnt counted as a story unless it had a berm one over a b but a b is a level without a sleeping room so that Water Department record basically said there were bedrooms downstairs and consciouslyer kitchen and diagram not a local dwelling but enough doubt what we need to see the assessor oversees file for sf thirty did it say in sf thirty a success ask he second dwelling or a large house but if were going to start removing the units in this housing crisis we can take a week and continue this case and ask the are project sponsor it is only consist it is a floor plan of this building in sf thirty saying how many bathrooms and kitchens were going to rule the units that is permanent we should ask about the document and then get those documents right she should be using the water record and the accessory our files to know all the information i believe the downstairs was a consciouslyer kitchen you want to look at the record it clearly says 2 kitchens one bath is that one unit or an extended family i dont know and i dont know, you guys know. Well take rebuttal from the appellants. I want to talk about a couple of things that mr. Duffy brought United Kingdom up we got in timely information we got the printout on line and called up 9 gentleman from the dbi he said it should have been posted mr. Duffy about youre not taking an early attack is not relevant we were not notified. We could take it back to the dbi when mr. Duffy told us about it i appreciate. We appreciate we have 3 rooms each one as a door and window one of the rooms has a sliding glass door so no problem with egress with a victorian mold with an entire flaltd where people call it flat as far as permit research mr. Duffy didnt get dependent water record we went to the Water Department and how expensive this is it seems like this is an important record to come up with and my last point how many clues do we need to raise a doubt we have two electrical and water meters this is clear we have the water records as ive stated about the kitchens how many sdrepgz what is going back to the dbi this is our home this is why that is so important to us believe me if we had of been notified we have wyoming have talked to you and do doing every thing we can and we have taken advantage of our due process and had our hearings at the Planning Commission weve missed a sector of dealing with that because of the lack of notification i want you to take into consideration this is a big issue i know the law is infected by supervisor wiener and id like to point out i hoist of this house this house was built those three houses this is our house this is our house right here and those two houses were built on a Water Department permit built for newman by jay ma congressional lived in that house and newman lived in this house they built this how for a man named plant plants name is here number 27 plant and theyre built at the same time i do know that. We would like to mention the numbers were changed originally it was 27. But i also know in sf 05 ive been searching the city records the only way to few a mr. Plant had a daughter his daughter was 12 years old mr. Plant allowed his daughter and future daughter in sf 05 to move downstairs i have a report of the wedding. She was not 12 years old. Those houses were built with the intention of having two families in 1892 mr. Newman is sharing his residence with a window odd woman i dont know that was common for women to live with men in the seem unit if there is evidence this is the history and mr. Plant lived in this house well up until one other owner and then the folks bought this house we know some of the history of whats going on if you look at the report several things not inclusive evidence when was inspected in june of sf 01 maybe those were things to legalize those units for his daughter that was going to get married theres not enough evidence for the be it resolved border to make this i ask you to send it back and see how the 3r got changed from 86 years at the Planning Department it got recorded i ask you to exercise that before the units are removed from the city that is a matter there are plenty of rules without the evidence the planning code said those should be legalized and interests is inconclusive evidence this will be a litigious issue for the city. Sir, you have rebuttal time you decline its up to you if you want to use it or not. You have to speak into the microphone if you have something to say. Please. Its not your turn. I dont really know i tried to go to different departments and get the facts to prove that was two units but i couldnt prove it so i dont understand on the Water Department it said 1891 and then on the assessor errors report the building built in 1898 thats a 7 year