I think that, of course, no, and not because there are some intentions or something else, you need to start from the opposite and ask yourself the question, why, say, should the americans close this project today if it is still doing great . Copes with at least several tasks, the Russian Federation is forced to concentrate in this region and directs enormous resources, forces, and means to solve these problems, europe. Over these 2 years, it went through a process when, under the pretext of ukraine , it leaked all the weapons it had was also from the soviet union, and i specifically want to emphasize under the pretext of helping ukraine, because there is an impression, and you colleagues often, when they talk about europeans, it often sounds that there are europeans there, when will they understand whats wrong with them, if we are talking about the population , i agree, but if we are talking about political elites, i have strong doubts that these. The elites do not understand what is happening, they accidentally found themselves in this situation and now they just have to see the light. Rather, they need reasons and arguments before their own population in order to highlight next year in the future, significantly larger budgets for the purchase of weapons, primarily from the americans, and an excellent argument for this is the combination of the lack of weapons in warehouses due to assistance to ukraine, the presence of a demonic image in the form. Russian federation, which does not need to be explained why we need weapons, we need weapons because there is a Russian Federation, we see these processes in the usa, with the speaker, in europe, with Many Political leaders, again many of our colleagues say , well, dont relate to this seriously, this is all because of the elections, in fact, precisely because it is because of the elections , this must be taken seriously, what does the phrase mean, they are doing all this because of the elections, it means that today in western countries it is extremely difficult to win with the agenda of supporting ukraine and fighting against the Russian Federation. Its much easier to win if you move away from this agenda, say that you wont help ukraine, and at least leave russia a little aside. This suggests that there is a certain consensus among the population to one degree or another of course, things develop differently in different countries, but there is a request. And here is a fundamentally important thing, what you talked about. That there is usaid, which works in various countries, i must say that they actually work very effectively, i cannot say that these are phenomenal , some incredible amounts that are spent simply precisely, effectively in accordance with modern technologies , which we, too, i think, could well allow ourselves in this regard, and here is the example of italy, which i often cite, before the latest the parliamentary elections were closed by polls conducted by. The institute of international relations, the italian and many other sink tanks, they showed that everyone who will vote for the right, they a priori declare that they sympathize with russia and do not support the course on ukraine, which there are in the country at the moment, everyone who is for the left , in the opposite direction, they criticized russia in their views, the rights won, did this somehow change politics, no, why, because in closed conditions. Political system, in which, in fact, we understand the media resources, financial, economic and so on, where it comes from, we understand who is the main player in the internal political field of italy, first of all, the americans have enormous influence there, they simply see this request, they understand , what we cant talk about, what threats need to be stopped, if we do not participate in this process, the population can at least help us, and this, by the way, concerns many postsoviet countries, the population can at least 90 of us support. This has no effect on the political elite at all, and we are faced with the fact that the government seems to have changed, but the policy itself has not undergone significant changes, i think, in the case of slovakia, and if. Such governments come in other states, what is fundamentally important . Yes, we have more or less managed to show that we are not afraid of sanctions from a western country, that we will do something for our part, and it will be worse for the europeans if they continue this policy in our relations, but i think we need and the reverse logic, if a government emerges in a european country that is ready to take on a very heavy burden of political responsibility and change policy in relations with russia, veto collective sanctions alone, say lets let everyone introduce their own sanctions, i personally wont introduce them anymore. We need a package of measures that will automatically show other European Countries that if you dont need to come over to our side, focus on your interests, if you focus on your own interests, you will get from russia a discount on the supply of something, you receive an offer that no other state can give you there, that is, there is a package of bonuses that you can receive from russia. To motivate other European Countries to do the same, otherwise we will be at a dead end, this is a dead end because we ourselves take, give subjectivity to national associations, we ourselves call them the west, although they are different, there are quite a lot of problems there, and despite everything respect between portugal and poland, despite the fact that both countries begin, the difference very large, these are two different countries, and thinks that they have the same interests, that they are absolutely equally disposed towards russia, i think it would be wrong. If we continue to perceive them as a single whole all the time, they will continue to act in our relationship. If we try, not even to create a split, to appeal, i understand, now it seems incredible to appeal to reason or something else, but to create at least the infrastructure so that a country that wants to get out of this regime , and although there was somewhere to go, so that there were integration associations that could be of interest to them, i understand, now it sounds incredible, but imagine, imagine if at one time in the soviet union they thought that, well, what is there in response to nato create our own organization there, if there are already some countries there, we definitely need to work on this in this direction, but as for the general problems associated with the institutions that you are absolutely clearly talking about, we often struggle all the time, this applies to institutions and to solving problems within the state. Every time we say that our population doesnt know history well, young people dont know history well, what should we do . Lets take four times as many hours of history teaching, instead of looking at who reads, how they read, what topics are covered, the fact that we arithmetically increase or even geometrically increase the hours, this is not always solved, and the same thing , if some approach does not justify itself in the postsoviet space, in the eastern europe, western europe, anywhere, if we throw money at this approach, they will be the same. To fairly old methods that do not always manifest themselves in the right countries, but what you know, modern methods, they rather proceed from our interests, they are very consistent with our interests, because it should be much easier for us to work with them, just look, i will say in conclusion, at the political leaders and parties that are appearing now in europe, in due time, if wed like to guess approximately to look at the future leader of italy, it would be necessary to look. There is the apparatus of the Christian Democrats Party to understand what kind of secretary there is, what positions he already has, with whom he enters into a coalition, today there is no point in doing this at all, because guessing who will be Prime Minister italy, now, several years ago should have taken a closer look at the minister of youth, who had 2 in parliament, that is, this is absolutely far from the fundamental system that was laid down in its time, it creates a lot of space for opportunities, this is postmodern clip thinking leads to the emergence of parties, clips, political leaders, clips that take off, an image is created for them, they work through one election cycle, fizzle out, leave, they are immediately replaced by a fundamentally new force that notices them there, brings these people, we need to use this, look for leaders of public opinion, do not wait for someone to reach the position of deputy chairman or general secretary of the party and start establishing contact with him, by that time he will already 100,000 times built into the structures that exist, we need to work with youth representatives, with Young Leaders, if in the future we want these people, because we work in conditions of, well, overcoming, that is, how can you not get there , you wont get through, you wont call, you wont write, i dont want to give a tip, a tip to the people who have to fight this, but you yourself said about brix to organize, say, a forum in brazil or india for Young Leaders and try to communicate with these people there, work, to bring conservatives to one of these countries, to communicate with Young Leaders there , i think it certainly wont be difficult for us, especially since right next door to you, on the left and on the right, there are people who. Know very well how to work when they dont let you work, that is, a lot of experience, although sometimes i was on different sides of the barricades, advertising, ive been at this all my life, we expect to do it in 10 days, this will be a record, hack, on the verge of possibilities, we are all with him, because he is the only one, at the maximum height, higher, dont rise, you just. Youll fall like a stone down at the speed of the wind, its a super cyclone, a killer cyclone, its like its chasing you, what do you want . Master of the wind, our country is under sanctions, we are deprived of the possibility of communication, we are in terrible international isolation, so the main propagandist, as they write. Now has representatives of two countries, nato and israel, well, that is, the baltic states, germany, israel, then the balts will be indignant that again the baltic emirates were united, and not named each country separately, but thats not the point, its just that now is the time when, well, the days will fall , the heels. Are already visible, its all of us there on ours, and it becomes clear who is who, it has become clear that chubais is an absolute piece, well just a nonentity, well, really a nonentity, that is, a person who left behind such debts, it became clear that after so many years that the person was illiterate, the only thing he excelled at was in inflating the choke in false pr, now an escaped scottish economist, well, he arrived i wish i could have served time at least, but now dmitry always said, before it became mainstream, that a certain person pretending to be an economist named guriev is an idiot, if anyone had doubts before, then just listen, it was just clear, this person was perceived at some period of time almost as an economic guru, they listened to his words, but he always seemed to me an absolute idiot, just like dmitry, listen to what this man says, a european country is blocking the entry into europe of cars with russian license plates, why . Because in the trunks of these cars carry microprocessors. By definition, microprocessors are so small that you can put enough microprocessors in the trunk to produce a month s supply of missiles, and these countries say, every such car discovered with a trunk full of microprocessors is a disaster for ukraine, so we impose these restrictions. And you have many such cars. Well, he said about the same thing about economics, hes a real idiot, that is, if he sincerely believes that this is the way, as you hear, guriev, and how do these microprocessors get into the trunk, please tell me, i just want to understand, well , well, well, do you have any idea what youre talking about, do you even understand what a market is, a microprocessor, well, that is, at least you have a word, which you will blow away, at least their meaning, you understand . Here are all those who dragged this nonentity into advisors, high circles, do you even understand that you spent your whole life raising an idiot, and you used the economic advice of an absolute fool, phenomenal, which means american intelligence, continue search car trunks . So you will definitely undermine our militaryindustrial complex, well, just, well, idiot , excuse me, in short, i ask, but i have a question, how many gurievs do you still have left . I also have this question, im afraid there are more cartridges than i have, in my opinion there are a lot, a lot, judging by what i see, i heard, yes, but mostly they rushed abroad, but you are still far from america, in terms of quantity per capita of the population, although canada is ahead of it, but america is a world power in terms of finishing off, a country of unafraid idiots, the United States, this is what i said when i visited america in december 1969, the country is not a scared idiot, well, at least you scared me, at least i scared everyone, in israel too, and to this day, heres gillary clinton, and she there is no way out, you understand this woman, what she is. Doesnt understand her country, she cant admit it, she lost the elections, but its not her fault, she was the best candidate, and she has no other explanation for why the American People didnt let her become their leader, these are putins machinations, its russias fault, she will defend this to the last, otherwise she must admit her failure. The neerberg trial, it is not complete, because he had to try the soviet union for a crime against humanity, today it is open, they say, yes, it was necessary, that is, what they say, they say, stalins russia, it was the same as nazi germany, if not worse, on this basis one can say that to fight against stalin. Russia is not nazism. Why did this become possible . And who demonized stalin, spoiled his memory, trampled it into the mud, erased it from the memory of his people, his history, today they are somehow mentioned a little. They did it here, you cleared the way for the west to level it out, khrushchev is a surname. Well, it was khrushchev who did it first, i wont divulge the entire list , no, well, excuse me, well, Nikita Sergeevich did it first, khrushchev, yes, but it doesnt matter, it doesnt matter, no one remembers this anymore, they remember that you were the first to trample him down dirt, and equated him with hitler, it happened here, on this earth, do not equate officially never equated who equated by many others, who . No, well, this is a liberalist bastard, but officially we have a trial for this in turma siberia , im not saying, i never called for rehabilitating stalin, exalting stalin, but by erasing him and smearing him with dirt, you beat yourself up, you humiliated yourself in their eyes , and they took it in, i said only one thing, give him the place in history that is due, with all the pros and cons, you have a political situation, you are afraid to do this, de gaulle, he had the courage to come when this the pennypinching buffoon, he fastened it with his teeth, and in spite of him, in defiance of the soviet government, he went to stalins grave and laid a wreath, i stayed there, has anyone laid a wine on the grave of lenin or stalin . Because they were not, they were not the leaders of russia, but thanks to them, you now exist as a state, someone remembers them someday, but you have an internal political situation, it does not allow you to tell the whole truth out loud. This continues, and not, well, it was during khrushchevs time, it was during the time of brezhnev, it was during the time of gorbachev. More and not enough are two Different Things to understand, well, the category is enough, not enough, but subjective, no, its not subjective, but what kind, ill finish my thought, then it wont just be an objective category, it gives, it gave the right and gives the right to equate in the west in their eyes, stalins russia, hitlers germany, and even more, because stalins russia and stalin are not so bad, second, you did two in this regard, something that made its work easier for the whole west, created such support, on which the cloud, on which their natural russophobia has grown today, and against, who fought the most with the nazis . Who resisted the most . Who did the nazis kill on the head . Communists. Are there no communists in your mind . Im not saying today, leave it. Those who call themselves communists, in your story someone mentions that the main enemy of nazism was communists in all countries, that communists were shot in poland before poland, poland was captured by the nazis, that in estonia and in in latvia, communists were shot before we came there, when there were fascist regimes there, but no one talks about it, they dont talk about it, because to them, why in our country, in our country, everyone talks about it, these are wellknown facts, i mean and they say that they are choosing the lesser of two devils, they had hatred of stalin long before the appearance of khoruchev and the twentieth and twentysecond congresses there. Let me remind you what churchel said in the British Parliament about stalin . And remind us what churchill said later when he called for what to do with russia and from steel , it doesnt matter, it doesnt matter, if we choose those fragments that we like, we will not establish the truth , no, we dont choose those fragments, but they hated us before. I didnt say, i didnt say that thats why it shouldnt be brought, i said on this basis the traditional russophobia that they have always had has grown, grown, but it helps them, its a convenience that helped, but today, and today in relation to the place , and not because of books, books are written, and im not talking about books, most of todays politicians in in europe, in the United States, people are generally illiterate, and im not talking about the United States, you are asking them now, hold a knowledge Competition Among them. I have determined that the United States for me is a country of not scared idiots, so im not happy, well, thats it who cares who the politicians are, books, books, books are written, i cant understand where you saw that we dont talk about the role of communists, thats where you got it from, this is the third time ive been trying to bring the sentence to the end, lets finish it, and you explain by taking me aside, books are written, im not talking about books, is it in the popular consciousness . Of course, of course, its not in the peoples consciousness, its in the books, how do you know about the people s consciousness, what exists and what doesnt, we are in this people, its in our family tradition, my grandfather is a communist, 50 years in the party, theres almost everyones grandfathers and greatgrandfathers are communists, and what is not in our popular consciousness is that it was the communists who fought, i said, where did you get this from, is this part of ours . Family history, yours, yes, and not only mine, well, talk to any person, listen, we had a communist party for a long time the second party, only in these elections, they conceded there, there now , who were there, they constantly talked about stalin, about the role of the communists, im not talking about your communist party today of people s memory, the communists are unambiguous, that is, there is no doubt, good , any film you watch about the war is soviet, there is a role for the communists, soviet, is that how soviet films show them . I say soviet, soviet, but they show them, the soviet union is no longer more than 30 years old, yes, but excuse me, there are films, there is culture, and there is literature, yes in russian too, in tv series, there are communists everywhere, i said what i think, you think that everything is fine with you, no, no, im not saying that everything is fine with us, but i m saying that with us its not even close to what you say, that we have communists, if you are satisfied with this situation, this is your country. Okay, but you want us to become communists right away, i didnt say that, thats right, the role of stalin, the role of stalin is there now, putin spoke about this several times, he spoke several times about stalin, about his role, i say again, i said about what is happening in the popular consciousness and what is happening in the west as a result of what happened, thats all, you think that all this, all this is all in the open, okay, im not saying about zhur, but im saying that to talk about the peoples consciousness, i dont know where you have the thermometer of the peoples consciousness, how you define the category of the peoples consciousness, well, i ll tell you someday, well, it would be interesting, because here we are, of course , this is interesting not only for you, but ok, that is, of course we have nothing to do with the people, we dont know anything about the peoples consciousness, that is, living here all the time, going through everything, being just in the thick of things, we dont know the peoples consciousness, so i said what i thought, and then let you each make your own calculations, the whole people with all their people , with all their efforts, with everything. By overcoming what is, we are bad, not enough, we need to be taught what we need to be, how we need to exalt the role of stalin, how we need to raise the bolsheviks, and that we did everything wrong, and that all the meanness of the west connected with the fact that we are here at home, so we allowed ourselves not to exalt the great generalissimo, so they turn out to be white, fluffy, and we, not realizing the peoples consciousness, are pathetic kremlin propagandists. We do not show the truth of the role of stalin and the communists, they are terribly far away from the people, they dont understand a damn thing about the peoples consciousness, so we need to be taught, and we must apologize to the west that it was our unreasonable policy that led to the fact that they are now bothering us with crap, so what . You finished your speech, you havent even started yet, this is not, this is no, well, this is just a short talk, this is what it looks like, no, no, no, i didnt say anything that you said. Not directly, not indirectly, everything you said is yours, its how i am, its your perception, what i said, and i didnt ask you to translate mine, what i said into your perception, youre telling your perception, but you dont need to interpret me, im not moses , you dont need to interpret me, well, i definitely wont interpret moses, especially since aronchik spoke for him, moses spoke poorly, but here we have a problem, but i, unlike i say it well, but this does not deprive me of the right to express my opinion, since i didnt even hint at anything about the people of russia that you said, this is your perception , your presentation, thats how you wanted to express it, and i didnt say anything i didnt say this about the people, bottom line, well, we can interview those who are there, they heard , you can interview anyone, that in general i can do anything, not everything, but when you say you, who are you talking to . Said here, you are to blame for this, when you said you, you are everything time said, you were who you are, i say you, you are the people of russia, you decide, this is your country, if it suits you, please, i expressed my opinion about what happened, it suits you for your health, im not telling you , how to sit, how to live, but you accused us of something that doesnt exist, you said that we dont talk about communists, we dont talk about stalin, we forgot the role of communists, you dont tell this, we dont show it, but this is not so, i said that this has been erased from the consciousness of the people, into separate, individual individuals. They still remember, but from the consciousness of the people they dont, you think that no, everything is fine, i just see an immortal regiment where they are carrying portraits of communists, this endless river is millions of communists who are being carried, and family members know that their grandfathers and greatgrandfathers were communists and komsomol members. I say again, if you are satisfied with this situation, good luck, good health, i said what i see and how i understand it, thats all