The stairs, they were there, well, the reprisals began later, when they had already taken them, well, in general , as the main Police Generals told me, they had some kind of habit, as they later, the purge began, to immediately run to me and tell me everything, everything that was there, including the military and the police and not only the police, they said that everyone agreed that the number of dead was in the order. Man, im about i wrote about this in books, because they told me this quite convincingly, well, where are their bodies then, why more than once, you ask me, yes, but am i an orderly, am i the chairman of the Supreme Council, why are you asking me a question, here one can assume, based on the same information, they said that they were dragged to morgues, so they were taken somewhere across the river , in these same stadiums, so to speak, they were killed, taken out, what is 1,500 people, so hide them there to burn and so on and so on, they cleaned it up in the same way, big deal, 1,500 people, and you yourself saw the body of the deceased, you didnt see 1,500 people, but how many did you see . Well, i dont know how many, i saw several corpses over there by the stairs, white, yes, they say that there were also snipers there, they say, i also heard what they say, what the snipers said. There were, in any case, a special forces soldier was shot by a sniper, precisely in order to somehow anger him, maybe then there would have been corpses among our deputies, here is one mayor, here is a special forces soldier, he was shot like that, well, the examination also found out that it turns out he was shot by a sniper, specifically, from that side, not from the side of the white house, in order to arouse hatred among the alpha, alpha . Dont even call the special forces to arouse hatred in the alphas so that they kill us, this version was also expressed to me by both the military and the alphas themselves, by the way, and then there was no need there, i dont know there, this is an assault and so on, the fact is that they brought two officers from alpha to me, and so he is andronov, so our minister is now deceased. So, well, according to the special services, so they say, these two such nice young officers came, one said rusanovich, you, as chairman, have fulfilled your duty , no one has any complaints against you, we were in the council of nationality, met with your deputies, everyone says as one, as the chairman says, make a decision, i i say, what could be the solution, i say, i need to ensure that people are alive, i say, can you provide it . So we say , this is what we came to you for, if you trust us, we will ensure, uh, so to speak, that you will not be shot, without us i will kill you all, i i say, okay, so, if you provide, if you give the officer s word that you will provide life, he says, there are no questions, in half an hour we are waiting for you, well, we are all ready to leave, so, so for the assault there was no. There was no there is absolutely no motive, but i think that they needed this alleged assault, all this was needed in order to rob, for example, i had a fund, you know, the chairman of the Supreme Council , about 20 million dollars, i think, paintings , there are gold dishes, in general, everything you want and so on, so even when im for i traveled across the border, i even felt sorry for bringing some expensive things, giving them as gifts, as i suppose. Not through the doors, because someone is watching through the doors, someone can, through the window , this happened when, well, like when, as soon as we were shot, we were taken out that same day, they didnt shoot you, yes, well so i say, we were shot, by the way, to be precise, we were shot from tank guns, our palace, my house, the house of the soviets were shot, so right away. After the execution, after we left, the robbery began, i think that this supposed assault was needed in order to carry out this robbery, these were looters, the real ones, now 30 years later, who do you think was to blame for those tragic events and was it possible to avoid the bloodshed, i think that even this question itself is blasphemous, but i dont like it, is it possible to ask such a question, do you know anywhere in history, to parliament . Parliament, which means who is to blame, the one who shot parliament is to blame, what other considerations could there be, some other considerations, and what could be after, even after 300 years, its all the same, exactly this way and not otherwise, its fair that no one was held responsible for the death of the innocent, as is fair, of course, its unfair, i bore responsibility, there is a difference between these concepts, the difference, then i have been forgiven, i have still been amnestied, i have still not been rehabilitated, that is, i am legally considered guilty for what . For not submitting to arbitrariness, and did you see yeltsin after those events . I didnt see rudsky, when was the last time we talked, well, we met with rudsky, true, lately i havent met for quite a long time, since i have a rather stressful job, he also somehow did not express a desire, well, he did what he could do, he was his president , and i was the chairman of the Supreme Council, i led by their deputies. I really criticized them, i said, you go to your kremlin, occupy it, even by storm, as you wish, minister of defense , i said, go to your ministry, to the minister of internal affairs, i say, go to your ministry, to the kgb officer go to yours, yes, you are disturbing us, i say, here is the legislator, here the house of councils, and you settled here like this, they drove me crazy, such was the truth, i showed dissatisfaction with the fact that they did not fulfill their duty. I, as the chairmen of our deputies, we fulfilled our duty, they did not fulfill the executive power that we appointed, they fulfilled their duty, for example , you know, because i immediately set the task, bring at least one small military unit here, at least one, here these three generals never, or four generals were never able to bring at least one military unit, otherwise boasted. Oh, if elson starts there, well bring them here , there, there, whole divisions will come to defend us, so we actually had complaints against our military , though we generally didnt demonstrate them publicly, well this was the situation, well, we had some kind of, you know, when we were there during these difficult days, in general, there were no such conflicts among ourselves, of course, except for the fact that the chairman of the chamber made an attempt to remove me, sokolov, and thats how he was a parliamentary conspiracy, of course, these signals came from the kremlin, yes, but unfortunately, i was so happy, i think maybe now they will remove me, because if i myself had resigned, it would have been considered cowardly, well, but i think, maybe theyll remove me, in the end, no , they removed me, so they left me in my position, so things were, of course, very terrible, not just serious, but the fault, of course, is on yeltsin , on yeltsinist, on whom else, so, but what do you think, you and rudskoy committed some mistakes in those days, i dont know, in relation to rudsky, let him say it himself, i naturally made, and what a huge number of mistakes, well, what, what would you do on. If you found yourself in the same events again, well you know, of course, from the point of view of modern experience, of course i would have won now with that experience , so i dont know what, but i. Won for sure, well, what would you have done differently, i dont know, i dont i know, now it makes no sense to even say so, but im sure that i won, they were very weak, they were weak, unsure, we could have won, but you know, but on the other hand, they still wouldnt let us win, they would have shot us then if they saw that we were winning, they resorted to a terrible bloodshed, more than that what. Did, so i fully admit that we still wont win, well, parliament , well, parliament is parliament, you know, parliament has one weapon, this is the law, the force of the law, if they dont comply with the law, which parliament, to whom is it parliament is needed if the forces of law are not respected in society, and tell us about that meeting, which was held by candlelight, so that there was just one, a dozen were held by candlelight, literally on. On the fourth day before the light was removed from us, then it appeared, then it was removed, we worked all the time in by candlelight, how many we had there, if im not mistaken, 16 meetings, there was a congress , most of them were held by candlelight, take my book, which i started writing in prison, its all described there, but tell me what you did in prison, how were you treated there . I was treated very well in prison, starting with the head of the prison, there was only one political instructor, who tried to command Something Like that, but i drove him away and the nurse who took me, and i had a serious cold there, so she came and said, you know, the pills are not for you i act, let me give you an injection, well, i gave it and i almost gave it away at the end. Well, you see, the almighty is on my side, and the chief sanitary doctor of this hospital saved me, he later told me, i woke up, there was such a healthy guy in his office, apparently a great doctor, he says, i was passing by cells, from somewhere, according to the regulations, the head of the prison, his deputy and the chief sanitary doctor have the right to demand the opening of any cell. So i said, he already passed me, then tell me, then i think, let me see what the chairman is doing, he ordered the guard to open it, he says, and you, he says, are already foaming at the mouth, he and he took it, so he carried me to him in his arms , so he, as the chief doctor, has his own laboratory and so on, so he pumped me out, so if these two people, and the rest is all staff, begins the bosses, he says, we all, all. treated us simply with this, you know, well, with a desire in general to help somehow, so its no coincidence that as soon as we were released, the head of the prison was fired, and the prison was transferred to another department , in general, they upset the authorities too, did you have the opportunity to avoid arrest, only if you had not been arrested, but you wouldnt have avoided it, well , maybe you could have gotten out somehow earlier . If you hadnt been arrested, maybe you could have gone out, hidden, i dont know, thats why im asking, but it never occurred to me to hide, so here you are is it really in my nature to hide, to run away from the embassy, did you have any fear that you might stay in prison for several years, but i didnt have any fear, i had it, i didnt have human fear, i was always afraid of only one force, then i came to terms with the fact that they would probably finish me off anyway and acted very coolly and very calmly, but what did you do in prison, read books, in prison, but of course, i wrote, endlessly i wrote, i finished my book, the world conclusion economics, a monograph that was published, and he wrote feverishly based on the memories of the great russian tragedy in two volumes, it was published in the year ninetyfour. I read a lot, naturally, apparently there was once a Wonderful Library there, classics, and delusional, the truth felt fragmentary, a lot had already been lost, in general , well, every other day, every day they brought books, books, i read them, wrote, wrote, wrote , that means doing something, i came, by the way, i came as a scientist, so i headed the department for 10 years, im used to writing everything time, so therefore always. It is clear that the events of those years were a shock and shock for the entire country, how do you think they influenced the further course of russian history, of course they did, because. In fact, yelchin established himself as a modernist, about democracy, the one we dreamed of, this romantic one, there is no trace left of this, you talked about the moment a tank hit the white house, what you felt then, and you remained in your office , or you from no, i stayed, yes, of course, because, you see, they started they were shooting from the upper floors, they were lowering more and more, they were shooting into my office not from tanks, but from. This armored personnel carrier, a heavy machine gun, so, so they were downstairs to my office, they had not yet reached, they kept shooting lower and lower, they went lower, lower, lower, then this alpha influenced, obviously, they stopped, then these negotiations began, we went out, so, and then they allegedly stormed a pogrom, they asked, an empty building, they stormed, so here i am. I assure you 100 , they staged this assault in order to rob, there were also carpets there, paintings, i provided everyone, absolutely everyone with excellent computers, furniture, they dragged everything, they dragged everything, then they told me, even Alexander Petrovich told me about the repairs , so he says everything was dragged, tell me about how the arrest took place, well, how the arrest took place, so when a. So we went out, as they ordered, and were waiting, in general , then korzhakov appears and shouts, khazbullatov, rudskoy, so go there , and hes not looking, zubkins son, thats there, hes looking there, the eyes dont look, so, well, we passed, so, then this percentage, i i remember, he was with the alfovites, and he answered the questions of the deputies, he said so, thats what the comrades said, from alfa, they say, so not a single hair will fall from khazbulatovs head, so here he is, we are leaving, heres an interesting thing, and theres such a black crowd, so i even think, suddenly, you know , to the car, hes in front, everyone there said that snipers might shoot me, theres rutssky and. Suddenly he goes down this percentile who walked ahead of me, supposedly tying a shoelace, and then i thought it was him dropped down on purpose, maybe so that someone would shoot, well, they didnt shoot, no one shot, but i think he might be the one for i dont know, in this case, i m expressing my assumptions, because when we were driving already on the bus, i tell him, have you sunk, he also averted his eyes to the side, so here the car. Is standing like this and korzhakov ordered, he says, so get into the car, hazbulato into the car, i got into the car , the ore machine, thats all, there was nothing else there, but was it possible to avoid bloodshed, after all, well, if they hadnt shot, it would have been possible, of course, how could it not, well, if you had come out earlier, you probably wouldnt have started shooting either, well, what does that mean, how could you have come out earlier, well, if you gave up, no, well, yes, they surrendered, yes, yes, that once they raised their hands they surrendered, yes, yes, somehow you are arguing frivolously, its interesting , what does it mean, if only you had licked once, then you could have surrendered to the nazis, stalin would have surrendered , stalin would have surrendered to the nazis and would have also avoided bloodshed, right . What are the options, there is honor, you know what honor is, and state figure and man, what does it mean to give up, yes, of course, why on earth , i didnt give up anyway, did i really give up, so give up, no, it wasnt in my rules, i wasnt taught this, you didnt there were no disagreements, there were no disagreements, of course, we naturally argued and so on, but what disagreements, and what kind of issues did you discuss together . Yes, i dont remember anymore, apparently there were some Little Things there, because he acted as he should have, but i already told you this, now you reminded me again, the only thing i was unhappy with was that they couldnt bring a military unit, i said, well, youre generals, where is your military unit . This is what i insisted all the time from achalov, from rutskov, from these other ministers, so this was the only question, i think that if they had been able to bring some kind of military unit, most likely, then they would have been forced yelchin should really compromise and it would be possible, by canceling this decree of his, to achieve some other solution, i think, the only compromise, which would have allowed him, us and the parliamentarians to save face; it was the abolition of this criminal decree number 1400, that is, zero. Well, naturally, elections, we made a decision, elections immediately, yes, this is how things stood, what did you feel when you were released, then he gave you an amnesty, but you didnt feel anything , you know, no relief, some kind of detachment, that is, all these romantic expectations that i shared, i was such a supporter of gorbachev, like most intellectuals. 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