Men seek on trying to black holes. This is an old west and its a full set to, but it is not going to change the outcome. So give you made that statement in the recent interview with something 1000. Weve got but im much more analysis all the convent cover. The website on c dot com and before we go the news. So im going to just send 3 weston nations. Have recognized kind of assigned as an independent state. The decision by island no way in spain is to officially come into effect next week, as well as all the time boxes immediately return from either dine, no way in the wake of the news. It is so more of a symbol action against spain. A file that wraps up this is ive always going to have your company here on, on the International Feel about whos best to next will be back in about 30 minutes. The the, [000 00 00;00] the hello and welcome to cross stock. Were all things are considered. Im theater level is widely recognized. Every human its western batteries are losing the proxy war on russia. In the case of ukraine, it is obvious, bad news, but gets more bad news. The west appears incapable to comprehend as war on rush. It is an utter failure. The crush stuck in ukraine. Im joined by my guess, scott ritter in delmar. He is a former Intelligence Officer and the United Nations weapons inspector in San Francisco. We have k, j. Know he is a political analyst and journalists, and in washington state, we cross the andre my, the on the, he is a writer as well as a military political analyst. I dont think call, suckles and effective means you can jump anytime you want. And i always appreciated, scott, let me go to you 1st here. We can talk about maneuvers on the battlefield and the intrigues behind closed doors. What the economist likes to say. But i thought that, you know, tony blinking a rendition of neil youngs uh, a rocking in the new world really says it all. And so, earlier in the day, hes saying, you know, whos supporting you democracy in ukraine where it doesnt exist, or ukraine is an ex president. Now a part of holding off is presumably illegally what he had time to go down to a basement and sing a song that actually has a completely different meaning that its original one. So for me, tony blake and tells us everything we know about this utterly failed proxy war scott as well, we also need to point out that the basement city formed in the midst of a memorial to the asia. Hawkins mentioned that there, there is movement and everything that represents the reality of fiction that the blinking in the American Government have been portrayed. You know, this conflict has always been from its inception a proxy war between ukraine and russia, where the United States and the west used to create to achieve the strategic defeat of rush. Or we could never forget that, that the goals and objectives the United States was, is in, will be until the change of the strategic defeat of russia. And we need to be more specific to that. 9 it means the toppling of the coaching government. It means removing flattery from out. And this was the objective, sanctioning russia. It was designed to destroy the russian economy, to collapse the russian economy, and to get the russian people to turn against their government. Then the idea of when he prayed was never to have ukraine when this war but they had this war drag on in perpetuity, exhausting rush morally economically, physically and again, trading the last straw, so to speak. That would cause the people of russia to rise up in the might on moment to remove food from power. This was the goal, is the goal. It will continue to be the goal. We should never allow ourselves to lose touch of that reality by looking at whats happening on the battlefield. The battle field is irrelevant to that, frank. And so this is why prisons. I think you see a certain that all of the newly appointed a foreign minister of russia. I say, it looks like were heading to a hot war with the west with United States. Because frankly speaking, we are ready to have work between United States and russia. United states does not change its policy framework. We cannot talk about peaceful coexistence so long as were talking about the strategic defeat of russia. Therefore, when you trade loses and they are losing and they will lose United States and europe, were gonna have to do something more to continue, is because we cant at this point in time except the feet, because that the failure to strategically to see russia means its a 0 sum game that we ourselves are strategically defeated once now, and thats a craving choice. Scott, thats what makes it even worse. Thats a choice on the part of the west. And today you need to continue on with what, what scott was saying. Here we ukraine is asking nato to train them up to the send trainers to ukraine, to train up a 150000 recruits. Thats is that lensky was i begging for the, the west, the nato, to put a target on their back. Is nato going to fall for it . As long as youre already doing this in a less space, 3 hours or that is your those so gold 3 and are the same as their god, the repair somehow of major or has been on the ground in your brain from the day walk. So, i mean, its august or 8 duration, oregon organizational, the same old, you know, thing you know, oh god, i sense, you know, some kind over the wise, were going to some this and that is being their friend. They want, they just simply because they were on the news side go and they think that the public is primarily because they Attention Span all the got the fuse, they just repeat the rate and reiterate the same point over and over again. To demonstrate that something is being bought, i agree with score absolutely actually will also in terms of their serve is your goal is going to forget the National Security of course of the, of the United States strategy old United States or bought the race roster. Theres the if the special ed, i mean, it actually has a bad running troops roughly, well done. It is the registrar i know. So, but yeah its, its good. Its going to continue like this, but the fact that they have bag its, theyve been killed. Many of them already, so its nothing new. I mean it, it would certainly be a much more public, a bathing processment and thats maybe thats maybe thats acceptable. Okay. Uh yeah. Hey j its very interesting is we had the estonian Prime Minister kyle a call us at a conference over the weekend. Um, calling for the break up of russia is really quite amazing is ukraine get smaller and smaller d populated di, industrialized, and worse. You have a little tiny country like this. Tony is saying that the natos agenda essentially should be the breakup of russia, echoing with scott just said, go ahead and youre absolutely right. And you know, this is, this is the fools reward for failure is greater ambition. This is what we see, were seeing a complete failure both in the political dimension, but also in doctrine, not simply on the battlefield in tactical dimension. But in doctrine itself, we seeing a complete failure and a complete breakdown and their response is to bet hi. This is the losing gambler wanting to make an even higher back. Yeah, this is a, a sun cost fallacy. Thats what, thats called. Its got, i, i sense here and i, i dont have any faith whatsoever in the honesty of a anthony blinking. I, i personally think that they are taught theres talk for a pink slippers, zalinski, there could be, they may need a change to be able to change the narrative with these with him. Still they are, its not going to work for me much longer here. And that brings up the blame game, and theres so many different blame games being played right now. Scott, look. So lets each time is on this planet. I shouldnt say, well, im just, but youre saying the truths, god. Okay. Because hes put himself into the position. I want everybody watching this program to know ukraine and its leadership volunteered for this exercise. Volunteer not victims volunteer. He volunteered for this. Got keep going. I mean, i agree volunteer for i just want to make sure that i dont come across as some sort of what theres the uh, you know, the psychopath who wishes to devise of, oh, none of us skews a zaleski deserves whatever fate he gets. So and so does the new friend government they are especially its president i, i believe, is not going to be around as long as were reaching the in game of this conflict. And that doesnt mean the strategic conflict that we are taking later. We have talked about the specific proxy con, flushing new creed visits in d, c. And um, so lets see, will not be the 1st and the termination of this thought the russians to, i cant see the but smart enough leave that when you start articulating the semester, this was this legitimacy because of this is mandy less mandate and the russian hill and they put him on a wanted list. That means that just that the zalinski is now a criminal criminal status. And that if you trade once the 5 indigo sheeted into the settlement, they will have to fight somebody other than zaleski and the west right now. I believe is transitioning away from a proxy complicated craig, which they know is lost into the broader strategic conflict between the western russia. Not necessarily a hard conflict, although thats the direction youre heading. But a new cold war i believe is the direction that were held essentially in scott because that loved but also said that in the last new cycle that and ill direct this to, im today right now is that let me quote him here. Russia wont view western europe as a partner for, again, for at least one generation. I tend to agree with that on why, because nobody in the west is trustworthy. Andre, as well as cell phones that are because ulcer combine europe is not there, player dot com. If you wanted to reset the ball or send the world, this is United States china and roger and paul, this 3 arrange things between them. Thats only a matter of fewer up is in consequential, militarily you economically look alone ga, strongly, socially and politically. So yeah, and in this particular case, what to the restaurant is a couple say, or United States, or rush outbound to interact in some form be their goal was as a score characters favorite, you know, be the indirect strategies lose your body space. Lots to do, you know, in terms of the conflict, but it will be in the direction is um for in terms of you or if there is nothing to talk about to book with cool. You know them not even players. Well, i think they let me get a good, let me go. Okay, let me go ahead here before we go to the right here. I think were all on the same page here because i think there is a shift going on right now and you need a fall guy and that guy is zalinski. Oh, yeah, absolutely. Um, you know, ive said right from the get go. That zelinski had a very, very short life. He fits into a pattern of us quiz links that are used and discarded, and he should have seen that coming. But i, you know, i said that he was of the Eastern European that d m, that he was not for long uh, in this, in the political arena, if in this world. And so i think that, you know, the chickens are coming home to roost. Clearly the actor has lost the script and hes no longer able to give the order of the presentation that he was hired to do. And therefore they going to bring on another actor. Yeah, and they, and we can discuss that in the next part of the program. If thats going to be a new in the military, because you know, they all know each other, its been a Long Time Coming as a symbol of education, backgrounds and whatnot. So there are a lot of affinities, only this kind of band or i, i, the ology has got in the way, feel done by the west. All right, gentlemen, im going to jump in here. Were going to go to a short break. And after that short break, well continue our discussion. Thatd be great, and stay with our to the parts of our executive. And im here to plan with you whatever you do. Do not watch my new show seriously. Why watch something thats so different little opinions that he wont get anywhere else. Welcome to please or do the have the state department c i a weapons, bankers, multi 1000000000 dollar corporations. Choose your fax for you. Go ahead. Change and whatever you do. Dont want my show state main street because im probably going to make you uncomfortable. My show is called stretching time, but again, you probably dont wanna watch it because it might just change the weighting thing. The welcome back. Across stock were all things are considered computer la belcher menu. Were discussing ukraine. The okay, lets go back to scott scott and you and i on this program, weve been talking about the this entire part of the conflict. This is a conflict has been going on for 10 years and not uh, since 2022. And i think the, you know, the, the, in another conflict and youll know the reference that im making the day after. Okay. In that conflict, i think its a, its an exercise in futility. But i think the end of this conflict in ukraine it is more meaningful. And i think its, and theres an interesting debate that is developing here. Because on the one hand, what i would like to see is the complete breakup of, of nato, and the restructuring of security arrangements in europe. Thats probably not going to happen because the west, there will be a sore loser. They will want an ugly piece. Well, wont this the defeat and ukraine actually in bolden, you nato, because now they have a strictly identified target that they want revenge. Because nato is the, is losing losing badly and its showing itself to be essentially a paper tiger. But this will give the re, uh, brussels. The reason the you to have a war economy. What you, how do you go on that argument . First of all, we brush it to decide how this works. Good. One of the good point aspect, the Long Distance observer is uh, you know, i, andre k j u, we can all speculate about how we like to see this conflict. Yeah. But the russian government has yet to fully articulate what the knots vacation the militarization means. What the final delineation of ukraine will be. That is the key because if russia allows a cancerous tumor to remain, then the less job would be to get that cancers to over to grow and to infect russia. Russia has to eliminate the cancer as to what if they do that. I think thats the end of nato and the end of the European Union, which is now rather than doing the kind of proxy driven conflict that america nato, like to engage in. Uh, they will be confronted with the reality of a direct conflict that they cant afford, and they dont fall apart. I believe natos already following the part. And i believe it or russia into this conflict decisively where they terminate the cancerous tumor that is banned. There is ukraine, that nato will have to pay the bill. I mean, they, they cant afford the military, they claim they want to bill. And when they start to argue about this debate is especially of russia counters with responsible diplomacy leading towards a European Security framework that is regional and we know the rush. It is reasonable. One only has to look at the estoppel community that russia was offering your train back in april of 2022. To see the rush is the most reasonable actor out there when it comes to articulating. Not only its needs, but the needs of those word adversary relationship. I think russia is going to put on the table an offer to europe, about peace and prosperity and co existence. That nato, that makes natal inconceivable, and that nato will fall apart on its own volition rush. You wont have to do anything. But if the russian allows it cancers tumor named ukraine, that has some band there is ideology, ideal logical rendez. The nato will just attach to that in a parasite fashion, and try and get that to a continued strategic ambition and bringing down, right . So thats your needs. Thats budget. Yeah, we have the same question now directed to our on the right. Thats assuming that we have rational actors in europe. Go ahead on right . Yeah, thats true. We dont or, and there isnt one good thing which squat dimensions of eric are correctly there. Or if you, for a moment to work, all the European Union is on workable is broke. So they can talk about the water going. I mean, what if, what you want, but if you will get down, somebody called the economist isnt the great. Especially when you look at the Danes Association of children in, well, theres competing in france for example. Its not just only to be able to be able to be literate towards which they dont. But that mean there may draw equipment turned out to be absolutely unsuitable for the more than a better opium. But its the fact that what do you have israel for man out in terms of motion building complex in terms of the uh, um the pump it down to the labor force and youre using it with the best of all fit for me and speed. So, and in this case we have this a 4 digit factor. All there are moment framework, which thousands walk financial. Capitalism is a lot, its bomb, it doesnt work. So, and the real economy is the only way to go, how the more i dont think so they have, god rather helped different people because of the implosion. Hold hold is it lead to making machine . There are some, you know, on the board, your body johnson, peter of degree and the classics. I mean, the really and so i mean, this is the guard, well, least the better bulk as she is jen miserably challenge. You know, so you look at those people, they are being allowed them to me below me in front of my house, for there is nothing coming out of that they have a classical, i cant say it on this program, but he does have a degree in classical something ill let the viewers fill in the blank here. Okay, and k, you know, when scott came on right after the beginning of this phase of the conflict, i asked scott the question, whos got the clocks and whos got the time . Whos got the clocks and whos got the time in this case because i find it really kind of frivolous. When you see in western media, it depends on what happens before the november election is if the russians give a quote about american elections, they dont go ahead cage it. Yeah, absolutely not. Do you know there is an ideological uniformity which means that it is not going to make a significant difference for them. But youre absolutely right. The multi polar world is rising. These are tech tonic shifts that are happening and they have the time. And the us, you can, you know, fiddle with all the clocks that it wants to, but it is not going to change the direction of time. Time is moving forward. Its moving in the direction of multi polarity and theres nothing that they can do. We see the failure not only of doctrine of war doctrine though, joined all domain um, network warfare. But we see the failure of the doctrine that they had, as well as the failure of legitimacy and the end of rationality. You know, its got i, we started out the program talking about the food named blinking in, in, during his visit to kids. And a number of people have commented on how it was choreographed 3 cameras. All these different angles. But see, thats what american policy is. Its all perception, thats all it is. I mean, my sense was that i saw that footage is that blinking is having netflix make a documentary about him that thats his top priority. Thats the top priority of all of these people. How they look with their legacy is and what boards are going to sit on after this failure. Scott, a 100 percent records say the last for the american system was governance. I mean take a look to rush. You just, im not here to sing the praises of russia, its not my job, but you have to give credit. Refresh this. Do you just had a president ial election, which was designed to create a mandate that allows the russian government to move in a direction to where the current leader, who is 71 years old, the very take the leader in or how does versus survive beyond that, how does worship build institutions become a nation state . That is big picture stuff that Strategic Thinking that involves the nation. Totally blanking and everybody in the body ministration are focused on that. Theyre focused on the revolving door of sitting here from government desinik your, how do i leave the government . Go to getting for, become a active or an associate professor at harvard, yale, columbia. And then hang on for another 4 years in hopes that somebody who is politically aligned with my way of thinking. My philosophies recharged the white house. And i can once again cross through the revolving door, you know, to be back into governmental relevance. But its a very selfish, self centered approach. Wheres the russian approach is about whats best for the nation . Whats best for the russian people . Whats best for the world . America used to be the country. Were not the country you know under. Im glad that scott brought up uh the president ial election here in the new government that is come into power. And we have a, a new secretary of the, of defense. And its very interesting his background. Hes an economist here. It looks like theres a long vision here about how the economy needs to operate with rushes, new Foreign Policy priorities. And thats basically defending himself against the west. Yeah, bills of a Strategic Bank are many people are the shooting. I forget actually the fact that while me fighting the shooting, probably the best think im going to manager which historic roster had in decades juvenile generations. And used to belong most of us, the brain behind the, our economic, our strategy in russia. And should have been putting a few in the position of their all man who is in charge over anxious defense ministry. Would that usually increase cross as the control of the box . So sort of manager industrial companies. We serve gay, shy girl, was throw that. So were looking at the cold war, so financial means being transferred there because actually drug each other there in the soviet union to military, industrial companies, scouts being their driver and not only oversight of military development, but the civilian do i know my father was in the military Industrial Complex m r g. You have to deal with the show the consumer needs, apart from what didnt with the issue for providing the roster and saw your maybe it was a required sprigs. So this is what we have. And now obviously bill also is a reliable maam, which in the draft team and see is their grades supervisor over those come also of financial means which are being distributed today with all of their formats remodeled. If you do armies has been arrest that, you know, they are leaving off. Yeah. Pretty good. You know, old times of the idea, you know, and thats j is our options. Its really interesting on the way that you mentioned that because when i heard of the shuffle and what was going on in the ministry of defense, i was thinking the same thing. I, my sense was moving shy, go out because theres going to be a major shakeup of whats going on there because of what the scottish said when what youve said here is that theyre looking long term. Not looking to the next political cycle. Theyre looking at a long term in k, k, j is going to be last 40 seconds. Go ahead. Yes, absolutely. I think what we can see is the us is a capture and by dunning, kroger, leads, well not only musically, tone, death, but the tone desk. And they are not capable of seeing beyond, you know, the noses at the same time that the global south is moving in tectonic long term, strategic ways. And this is the final thing that will, were in the end game. We can see the moves ahead and we can see what the outcomes going time. So glad you said that because im sick and tired of talking about how the world has to revolve around the us president ial election cycle. And this move beyond it, and we are, i want it, thats all the time we have gentlemen, i want to thank my guess and del mar, in San Francisco and in washington state. And of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at our teach. See you next time. Remember prospect the the, when the Worlds Largest democracy votes the rest of the planet watches in emerging multi polar world. Indias voice matters. But who will be the power behind watches, almost 1000000000 people decide and billions more, react the the, the to take a fresh look around his life. Kaleidoscopic isnt just a shepherd, reality distortion by power to division with no real live indians pictures. 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