That were made against donald trump. But when the Supreme Court refreshed the colorado case, i eliminated one of the banana. So were down to 5 now. And i hope we dont get up to 6 or 7 democracy is at risk, both from the election of donald trump and also from attempt by trumps enemies. To assure that voters cant vote for him, or that he is not on ballots or is prosecuted before the election. So i see trach from the democracy on all sides. And just for our international audience, explain how a victoria is donald trump, but the outcome you wouldnt want to if uh, if you one like socialist eugene debs, he could still become president and pardon himself while he was in jail. But then that would be a problem if it was a federal conviction, as opposed to state conviction. What exactly happens, the resale pardon itself, the mistake conviction. And so if there is a conviction or even new york or fulton county, florida, he couldnt pardon himself. And the law is that clear as to whether he could pardon himself from a federal prosecution, but nobody knows the answer to that question. And its unlikely that he would try to to do it. But he probably would not be sentenced to serve a prison term while he was president , if he was convicted of a serious offense and then elected president , hed probably be able to serve his terms, president and then face possible imprisonment thereafter. Yeah, more unprecedented stuff. Uh meanwhile, um, by doing, uh, well the authorities, the justice department, i am trying to get julian assigned to the United States despite the opposition of all the journalists all around the world, the australian government, the german government. I understand that you defended daniels bugs the late den. Elizabeth is being on this program. Things worse than the 1970s. Given whats happening to julian assigned his health as he was tortured in britain. The going to be you in special are up to it is much worse. I was one of the lawyers on the pentagon papers case and there at least people were treated with the degree of decency assigned, has really been made a horrible martyr to free speech. And im honored to have been part of his Legal Defense team and if he has extra guides the United States, i hope i can help him avoid prosecution. I think he has a strong case. Remember hes the one who stole any secrets like Daniel Ellsberg did. Hes more like the New York Times. He publish them and the New York Times wasnt even prost. Galesburg was, but eventually the case was one. But i dont think i son should be prosecuted for publishing material that other people provided to him. And when he gave them to, to any of the, the, any grand jury in virginia as well. You dont get an attorney in front of the grand jury, but the attorney can sit outside the grand jury room and he can come out and ask questions. Um, but uh the real question is will we be can find uh, pending uh, a resolution by the grand jury and hes been doing fine for too long. Already i met him in england before he was confined, and he seemed to be in far Better Health and spirits. Then he was after he went into the echo during an embassy and then in find and hes likely to be confined in the United States. And that would be too bad. I mean, he comes as close to being a political prisoner, as we have had in a long time in the United States. And so again, i represented Many Political prisoners in, in my life ranging from Nelson Mandela to not tundra for ascii. And im honored to continue to defend Political Prisoners of, of, of every stripe and background against the pressure of government persecution. Well, actually, mondale, it may be relevant here. So the usa sounding accused the persecuting truth, tell us our publishers preventing democracy as they trying to attack their Opposition Leader being led to according to a special counsel by mentally ill, the president and, and now people across the world in the, in the, not in the nato a nation countries, arguably saying that the United States is a Co Conspirator in genocide. Youve written a new book where you talk about you talk about the october 7th, the taxes being totally unjustified. Does the book didnt mandela justify his, the bombing of restaurants as the, in the apartheid struggle as a perfectly part of the struggle that is required to overthrow regimes on the basis of their apartheid systems. And he was wrong to do so, and he apologized for doing so and stopped using that kind of terrorism against civilians. I think deliberately, willfully targeting civilians, particularly for rate, which is what happened in when, when im ice crossover, the bull or the u. N. Is now confirmed that there were rates and sexual atrocities, and yet there were some of the still who still denied that there would be headings. I had dinner with a man whose son was be headed and they im us opportunities to try to sell his sons head is guys up to 10000. 00 before it was retrieved. So theres no comparison between what happened. Yeah, the u. N. Report premium, a path and this we collected no evidence to support any of the claims, unfounded in, interact, inaccurate forensic evidence is collected by on train volunteer 1st responders. There was, this would be you and report this week not to potentially valuable evidence, wasnt there. You an expert statement said uh, well actually you and experts theyve said were particularly distressed by repose, the palestinian women and girls in detention have been subjected to multiple forms of sexual assault. And thats what theyve been headed may be story. We now know that these really government had to admit it had no evidence of what the claims by nicole is the deck of the i 24 news and repeated by by them. But then well back by the, by the white house. Why, in the photographs that prove, conclusively that women were rate, that they were shot in their vaginas, that their breasts were cut off . Ive spoken to the man. Yeah. Who is around, has their photographs. Yeah. Their photographs and ive seen them in there. Why did you know give it to the you and are they are on the way and is it will the you and officially says there is none. There is no eyes theres. Theres nobody us that occurred in israel is equivalent to a holocaust. And i, or you cannot deny the reality. There were rapes from us, a brag about it. A mosque was proud of it. And if you start denying the reality of rate, and the reality of this young man, im not talking about babies. This young man, 19 years old, who was be headed in his head, was offered for sale. Theres a boat and under a can contradict the evidence. And as you remember, another thing the head of him are seeing why was found to have said he does not want a ceasefire. He thinks that if israel kills more civilians, that the homeless cause will be strength. And he will, i think the see fires rather than negotiations over the last digits on both on both sides by me just back to this i rape stuff because they had it babies, stuff isnt even talked about. I said above it, but it says clearly in the United Nations report, it was determined by the un mission team, the crime scene, itd been altered, viable, misquoted, the bodies moved, expanding the separation of the body of the gulf and the rest of the family. Are you seeing, or maybe youre seeing the altered photographs . Gosh, youre just not telling the truth, the un and you you at the track, apologies to view is for the audio cutting out of that old professor graduates. But we will continue when it comes to israel, because theyre very anti 0. Same organization that called zionism, racism, but even the un said. But it was clear and convincing evidence of right, very strong evidence of rake very. And that was after discounts. All this, the evidence is clear. Why deny it . Why become a holocaust, theyre not there. Why dont i . Thats in, well watch the uses human shields and he wants israel to kill as many palestinian babies as possible because that helps home us in the court of public opinion, palestinian from us leaders have bragged about the use of children and women as human shields there. Okay i, i just have to say, i just have to say, i always say how often i any of these to be headed babies. These, these are raped claims and i have to say the United Nations. Im reading the un thing here. The latest report which has they didnt find actual evidence for that, but only a human shields point. I mean, i know, and you and your book, you cool amnesty international. So im kind of apologised for how something but do you know that there is no evidence of all the human shields rent easy and youre seeing that repeatedly said that there was no human shields and not bother with the situation and quite the opposite. Its the israel is use of human shields, palestinian human shields. You from one of the leaders are from us uh, 40 ahmad, after the power city and people, death is becoming industry which women excel as are People Living on those who im to hold at the heads of a minus. Im not talking about operatives brought me. This is why they have formed human fields of the women, the children, the elderly, and the most. Yeah. Diane, in order to check alans design is bombing machine. It is if they was saying to design, does that mean . What do you desire deaf like you desire . Like there is a video tape of these words coming out of his mouth. You can be a rated i, or you can be a hawk, a snyder, but you cannot be a human shield, and i are because there are multiple leaders of them. Us who have brag about the use of babies and children, and women as human shields. You take that word over, im to see international ass, which is a conclusively, there is no evidence with these are human jails. A. M a stands and national, filed a report of the Harvard Amnesty International group on october 7th, saying that the killings were all the faults of israel and that how much i did not do anything improper. No, i dont trust them to Stay International at all. I trust photographs, who are you going to believe the photographs or youre lying eyes who you believe the video tape of the liter or from us. Now this video tape was not used by understands national when issues they, denial the human shields were being used. Okay. Well, lumen fields are being used, so people know photographs that have been publicly available, but to propose around judgment. So ill stop you that ill just go, ill stop you the more from the merits, as professor at Harvard Law School and for the life. And i will jump engineers that are up to this break. The water is part of the, the employee would post good. Isnt the, the place you of us and that in the word part is it something deeper, more complex might be present. Lets stop without please. Is that spelled out of the its, its almost almost depletion in the west, but this whole idea of reply to the last refrain in theres some truth behind it. I mean, think about it for the american, the 60000000000. 00 for the reason. A package, not a lot of money. A lot of money stays within the United States in terms of the defense contracts and the like and pulled off money that, you know, they buy times like prolonged a wall to keep rush of busy. You know, this is the, ultimately, this, the, what the west is doing is on a file, you know, trying to preserve west to the hague, him and the, the welcome back to going underground. Im still here with the foreman, trump lawyer emeritus professor at Harvard Law School in alter the new book war against the jews have to end, im asked as barbarism professor island gosh events we were talking about. Well, you said you have photographic evidence alpha the atrocities on october the 7th. But now that we have a upwards of tens of tens of thousands of children palestinian skilled. You havent changed your mind at all about what is going on, even though the country is, which is applying the weapons to israel. Clearly, the population is van to populations in the United States. Daily auto running against israel, a wide strength and might do because of the numbers. Lets take the numbers. Lets assume the Palestinian Authority that is thomass right, that there are 30000 totally killed. They dont distinguish between say wrong as a commence. 13000 according to israel, our direct combat is that weve 17000. Were gonna have to deduct from that. The number of people whove been killed by eric rockets, for example, the one that was sent to the hospital. We know hundreds will kill by and Islamic Jihad rocket. We have to take away from that civilians who would voluntarily human shields or allow their homes to be used for build tunnels or allow their homes to be used to fight how most people, if we get that down probably either or a foot board number of, of civilians killed and terrace killed. In other words, the ratio is probably about 12. 00 to 13000. 00 of each. That is the lowest ratio civilians, bigger bands in the history of urban warfare. There has never been an army that is killed, fewer civilians and fewer children. Remember, children is defined by a mazda is any 119. They recruit their terrace, 131415161718. So many of the so called children are terrorist. The same thing is true of the women. Just because you are a woman doesnt mean youre not a terrorist. And so many of the women who are killed were actual terrorist spore complicit in terrorism. And when israel has the best ratio of civilian to lowest ratio of civilian demand desk, and thats called janice i, it shows you have no idea what the meaning of genocide is. Genocide is the live partly willfully targeting an entire library will get all the jet aside. The 2nd, but i read these riley paper herad sociology professor to be able to have as of israel, has said that the ratio is significantly higher than the average civilian deaths tool in all conflicts around the world. And the 2nd level for the 1990s. As regards of lindsey called with the razor, and when you talk about children, ive got a list here. I have an actual list here of one after the other of people children influence 0 years old, one years old, 2 years old, 3 years old. I mean, i got this right here, i go, the names of all these people then or 80, or im do they have a list of the 1000 or 2000 children. But from a total of 30000. 00 people killed, that still makes it the lowest ratio of civilians, 2 combatants in any history. And i challenge any, well, this is a 3 or the account phones in gaza. 2012 to 2022 ratios. Civilian death tells us 44 percent major decline to 33 percent operations yield in error in the 1st 3 weeks of this current operation and 61 percent. But lets just take, i mean, aside from all these contested by both sides, the district, the actual woods off say, president gets, i could still go, i think, you know, the president of israel, i know quotes it is an entire nation who are responsible this rhetoric about civilians, so professionally the rhetoric, both of us are arguing about supposedly not being involved is absolutely untrue and we will fight until we break their backs. And of course hes really defenders enough to he is right. God, that has declared war and his real gotta is. And unit, gaza is real off of who my children. So vast majority of gardens support what, how much did the vast majority of the west bank did . And what president hurts are merely said is there is responsibility in the way the german people are responsible for the nazis, the japanese people responsible for what happened there. And, and yes, when you elect people as the guidelines elected a mouse and nobody acts on your behalf and committed atrocities, there is collective responsibility. That doesnt mean that should be collect the punishment. That doesnt mean that there are some people should be killed. And israel goes to Great Lengths to avoid the joy of civilians more than any other country. They give warnings, they tell in advance were their attack is going to be and yet civilians are killed because they use the human shields. When you used to go as human shields, civilians died as i fred, as no evidence or human fields as being officially seen. But i mean, that argument can go on and on. Yeah. But in your book and you would just the mentioning the 2nd world war by that i mean the, the file bombing of tokyo with the bridge bombing of dresden, i know it used, ive never heard of them being used as excuses for the war. Nobody is using, i mean, if anything, these are atrocities that i mean the film oppenheimer, they may win oscars that its not so much the 0 schumer and i guess like you were necessary. Some people debate whether they should have happened to tool the bombing of dresden and so. And whereas you, again and again say they were clearly necessary in the fight against knots is a and i oppose. I was opposed to the bombing of dresden, im in favor of the bombing of hiroshima and nagasaki, vomiting a fever, she, mercedes, more than a 100000 american lives of soldiers. You know, thats just the point. There was already a deal with russia as late as dorians. About an hour later when japan did in pearl harbor, you put your civilians at risk and military to make decisions. I would not have supported the decision on that. Exactly. But its real doesnt do. There is real, is engaged in efforts to try to destroy how much they have the right to do that. Thats part of american policy. Thats part of british policy. Thats part of nato policy. Israel has the right to destroy from us. It should do it in a way that the boss has the right to destroy israel. Then under 2334, and the right to struggle in Un General Assembly resolution the body 3 rate and be head and assault and kidnapped intake has told you about the beheading. Theres no evidence your lawyer know. You have to develop the evidence and i and i saw the picture. I know the person is head its, its online. His head was over just for sale, for 10. That was none of this been validated by the official un reports into atrocities. And it has been validated and its absolutely true. I sat next to the father crying his eyes out, showing me the picture of the sun. Well, the white house has walked back by miss robins original. So ad for 10000. 00. You destroy your own credibility when you dispute that. When do you disagree . The race . When you dispute the use of human shields, you destroy your credibility. You just will be either below clearly like a hi there. Remember nazis . The 9. 00 cost the so many years and that destroyed their credibility. And anyone who says there was no rates, anyone who says there is no human feels does not deserve to be listened to on any other subject. Their credibility is gone. Okay, well we havent seen the evidence. The New York Times is walking back earlier pieces and then you know, without the use of rape at quite the opposite, i read New York Times that there been every spice, a radical head to israel, people to get them to walk it back and they have refused to walk it back, theyre standing by their view in the us standing by issue that there is clear and convincing evidence that is a very high was there. Thats no evidence of rates, not only rates individually, but rates as a policy of a boss, which is one of the worst. Why is this folks both of whom people, its gary rejecting these kinds. Why is it a family of the one family over the woman who is allegedly reg said, this is not true why the New York Times publishing . Theres a lot of this exposed by the grades and of course, max bloom and tools. Max i limits big ext blumenthal is a big it, these bonanza israel from the very beginning. He is not to be to sit and there are many others who are not to be trusted. Look at the photographs, the, the videotapes, the israel has produced at the times, relied on looking at what the United Nations relied on. You will see clear and convincing evidence as far as the know i read the whole report and they clearly say they collected no evidence. That is the words of a promoter pat this week. Why . Oh tunnels underneath hospitals. If they werent using the hospitals as human shields, you know what i called pres hospitals . I called the mazda tunnels, under the earl of god. But why put guys under siege . But anyway, fundamental to all of this is the right of the palace, getting people to struggle against a, a struggle. They were offered a state and 48 and 67 in uh, 90 maybe 2, but they still have the right to um, struggle against occupation or direct me. There was an estate in 2005 the night in 2007, 800 omer, offered them to stay on 98 percent of the west bank. A 100 percent. Is this relevant . Well, and they turned it down so no, they have no right to struggle. They have a right to diplomacy. They have the right to accept a 2 state solution to argue for, but they have no right to rate at to be head add to assault as a kid. Now to take a one year old baby and hold the hostage, we didnt even know if that baby used to live. No, they have no right to do that. How many children palestinian children are in . Is rileys james. None none. Mary jane. No children in these regular general. The roles. Yeah. There are so you so you agree with friend be our friend president had so what about you . Ive got on there will be no electricity. There will be no food, no fuel. Everything is closed. We are fighting animal people and we are acting accordingly. Do we, why the well, i mean actually does, does get onto this. People have said joe biden, maybe the last pro israel president. What do you feel as a defender of his right as a friend of nothing . Yahoo knowing that youve lost the narrative. Now in the United States, the rest of the world clearly is not supporting the a pack logs. These really line is this, the end of it, these riley projects we approaching the end of the as rarely project of israel support among American Voters is higher and very high, particularly among people of voting age. They have lots of support among young people. Of israel is militarily strong. Israel will never give up and they will always be in his role and until the palestinians recognize that and understand that into, you know, i sat across from a boss, the head of the palestinians are free and i sent them over a dinner. If you will say the following words, i hear, but recognize israel as the legitimate nation state of the jewish people. I will get you to stay solution. And he said, i cant do that. I cannot recognize israel is the nation saying the jewish people, thats the problem. Thats the core of the problem. I support for the 2 state solution i have since i do the everything, i dont think many experts do support the tuesday. They want one state from the river to the city with both jews, but christians and muslims all living in. And you know, how must, except in these riley states and that change of bad shopping with 1967 borders. I truly say, look in my book, i quote the charter words the word and i quote, the revised charter. I challenge anybody to read it and tell me that her last day was it is rarely state. Let me tell you, if im oscillator would get up and say, i favor the establishment of a nation save of the george people in israel. He would be assassinated immediately. No, im just finally and briefly then. So 50 to the majority in america, according to pollings, is against sending weapons. Now, to israel, you think they being influenced by george soros and im just the international and do you think thats whats happened and how often universities . Why is it the majority now . Do not sending it well. I think the majority probably opposes any webpage to any country in the world. Theyre many i salacious, but the majority support is real. A majority support. The destruction of a mosque majority support president by the policy of allowing israel to destroy him, us getting the hostages back with less than a mentor says until they stop the attacks, no weapons should be sent. No, thats the, thats the, thats the you go and number 2, the, the american policy is supported by most americans, and that is the structure from us getting the hostages back and trying to move toward the possibility of a tuesday solution. But the cant be a 2 state solution if im honest or amazing power, let me tell you the most greatest beneficiaries of israel destroying how much would be the Palestinian People, the Palestinian People without a moss could thrive. There can be a democracy. What israel ended its occupation of all gods in 2005, 2006, they could have built cynthia. What was that time to continue your patient as we go . There was no occupation until almost took over on a cool tool. The Palestinian Authority was also that the rockets in israel said it has to guard the borders and it has to have control it. So that was your and everything but the other professor, how long does your wits thank you as well. Thank you. Lets stick to this act. Ok, as right, thats it for the show. A continued condolences to those bereaved by u. K. U. S. U, im bombing in palestine, lebanon, yemen, syria and iraq will be back with more and the nature of nation war, limited, least on monday, until then keep in touch while i social media. If its not sensitive in your country and had to our channel the underground tv, all normal dot com to watching you and all the episodes are going on the ground to you. Monday. The the 1941 with the nazis health corporation, ultram nationalists. The stuff has been claimed, the independent state of croatia shortly on the seizing power. They built the scene of us concentration camp, a Place Associated with the worst atrocities committed in yugoslavia during world war 2. The stash is used to come system to isolate and exterminate subs, roma, jews, and other non catholic minorities, and political opponents of the fascist regime. Conditions in the scene of us. Campbell, who renders the gods to which it to arise and the prisoners they send them the consultation temps. So most of them died. It was incredible genocide. The, the ukrainian telling me 3 civilians died and at least knowing more energy than jeanette day on the 10th anniversary of the republics referendum. Deb loses of a 100 soldiers with dozens or so rendering to a new russian offensive or new queen, 2nd largest. Fishy, these several settling, st, talk of, of full and on the most goes upon also next the dominant until the United States, which start off to the end of the call, i think today has effectively come send