Court. The verdict was one you probably would agree with, given these attempts to prevent the u. S. As leading opposition lead a drum from being elected president lin running and in november, i know you supported by them in case anyone thinks your grades of what your donald trump as well uh, in my pipe test i award bananas uh on a scale of 1. 00 to 10. 00 toward a banana republic, and i had gotten up to 6 bananas based on the 4 charges that were made against donald trump. But when the Supreme Court refresh the colorado case, i eliminated one of the banana. So were down to 5 now. And i hope we dont get up to 6 or 7 democracy is at risk of both from the election of donald trump and also from attempt by trumps enemies. To assure that voters cant vote for him, or that he is not on ballots or is prosecuted before the election. So i see trash from the democracy on all sides. Just for our international audience. Explain how a victoria is donald trump, but the outcome you wouldnt want to have if, if he won like a socialist, eugene debs, he could still become president and pardon himself while he was in jail. But then that would be a problem if it was a federal conviction, as opposed to state conviction. What exactly happens . But we cant pardon itself mistake conviction. So if there is a conviction or even new york or phone county, florida, he couldnt pardon himself, and the law is not clear as to whether he could pardon himself from a federal prosecution. But nobody knows the answer to that question. And its unlikely that he would try to do it, but he probably would not be sentenced to serve a prison term while he was president. If he was convicted of a serious offense and then elected president , hed probably be able to serve his terms president and then faced possible imprisonment thereafter. A yeah. More unprecedented stuff. Uh meanwhile, um, by doing, uh, well the authorities, the justice department. I am trying to get julian assigned to the United States despite the opposition of all the journalists all around the world, the australian government, the german government. I understand that you defended daniels bugs the late den. Elizabeth is being on this program, things worse than the 1970s, given whats happening to julian assigned his health as he was tortured in britain, according to you in special rapids. Uh it is much worse. I was one of the lawyers on the pentagon papers case, and there at least people were treated with the degree of decency assigned has really been made a horrible martyr to free speech. And im honored to have been part of his Legal Defense team. And if he has extra guides the United States, i hope i can help him avoid prosecution. I think he has a strong case. Remember hes off the one who stole any secrets like Daniel Ellsberg good. Hes more like the New York Times. He publish them and the New York Times wasnt even prosecuted. Ellsberg was, but eventually the case was one. But i dont think us on should be prosecuted for publishing material that other people provided to him. And when he gave them to, to any of the, the, any grand jury in virginia as well. You dont get an attorney in front of the grand jury, but the attorney can sit outside the grand jury room and he can come out and ask up questions. Um, but uh the real question is will we be, can find uh, pending uh, a resolution by the grand jury and hes been to find far too long. Already i met him in england before he was confined, and he seemed to be in far Better Health and spirits. Then he was after he went into the Ecuadorian Embassy and then in find and hes likely to be confined in the United States. And that would be too bad. I mean, he comes as close to being a political prisoner, as we have had in a long time in the United States. And so again, i represented Many Political prisoners in my life ranging from Nelson Mandela to not to insure for ascii and a monitor to continue to defend Political Prisoners of, of, of every stripe and background against the pressure of government persecution. Well actually mondale, it may be relevant here. So the usa sending accuser persecuting to tell us our publishers preventing democracy as a trying to attack their Opposition Leader being led to according to a special counsel by mentally ill, the president and. And now people across the world in the, in the, not in the nato, a nation countries, arguably saying that the United States is a co conspirator. In genocide. Youve written a new book where you talk about, you talk about the october 7th, the taxes being over, the unjustified does the book didnt mandela justify his, the bombing of restaurants as the in the apartheid struggle as a perfectly part of the struggle that is required to overthrow regimes on the basis of their apartheid systems. You was wrong to do so, and he apologized for doing so and stopped using that kind of terrorism against civilians. I think the deliberately willfully targeting civilians, particularly for rate, which is what happened in when, when im ice crush over the boat or the wind has now confirmed that there were rapes and sexual atrocities. And yet there were some of the still who still denied that there would be headings. I had dinner with a man whose son was be headed and they, im us, operative just tried to sell his sons head is guys up to 10000. 00 before it was retrieved. So theres no comparison between what happened. Yeah, the u. N. Report premium, a path and this we collected no evidence to support any of the claims, unfounded in, interact, inaccurate forensic evidence is collected by on train volunteer 1st responders. There was the un report this week, lots of potentially valuable evidence, wasnt there. You and expert statements that uh, well actually if you and next, what seems that were particularly distressed by repose, about a, simian women and girls in detention have been subjected to multiple forms of sexual assault. And thats what the headed baby story. We now know that these really government had to admit it had no evidence of what the claims by nicole is a deck of the i 24 news and repeated by by them. But then well back by the, by the white as well. I am the photographs that prove conclusively that women were rate, that they were shot in their vaginas that their breasts were cut off. Ive spoken to the man who took around has their photographs. Yeah. Their photographs and ive seen them in there. Why did you know give it to the you and are they are on voice and it is really well the you and officially says there is none. There is no eyes this. Does anybody, us that occurred in israel is equivalent to a holocaust than i or you cannot deny the reality. There were rapes from us, a brag about it. A mouse was proud of it. And if you start denying the reality of rate and the reality of this young man, im not talking about babies. This young man 19 years old who was be headed moosehead, was offered for sale. Theres a boy and under a can contradicted evidence. And as you remember, another thing, the head of homer seeing why was found to have said he does not want a ceasefire. He thinks that if israel kills more civilians, that the homeless cause will be strange. And he will, i think the see fires rather than negotiations over the hostages on both on both sides. But we just back to this i rape stuff because the big headed baby stuff isnt even talked about by stage above it. But it says clearly in the United Nations report, it was determined by the un mission team. The crime scene had been altered, viable, misquoted, the bodies moved, explaining the separation of the body of the girl from the rest of the family. Are you seeing, or maybe youre seeing the altered photographs, gosh, youre just not telling the truth, the un and you you add the trust. Apologies to view is for the audio coming out of that old professor does have its, but we will continue when it comes to israel because theyre very anti 0. Same organization that called zionism, racism, but even the un said. But it was clear and convincing evidence of right, very strong evidence of rake very. And that was after discounts. All this, the evidence is clear. Why deny it . Why become a holocaust . Theyre not there. Why deny . Thats in. Well watch the uses human shields and he wants israel to kill as many palestinian babies as possible because that helps home us in the court of public opinion, palestinian from us leaders have bragged about the use of children and women as human shields. They have okay, i just have to say, i just have to say, oh, i only see how im off to deny any of these a be headed babies. These, these are raped claims and i have to say the United Nations, im reading the u. N. Thing here. The latest report which has they didnt find actual evidence for that, but only a human shields point. I mean, i know, and you and your book, you cool amnesty international. So im kind of apologised for how something but do you know that there is no evidence of all the human shields rent easy and youre seeing that repeatedly said that there was no human shields. And on the bottom here with the situation and quite the opposite. Its the israel is use of human shield, palestinian human feels they do from one of the leaders or from us. Uh, 40 ahmad uh for the power city and people depth is becoming industry which women excel as are People Living on those . What im to hold as a heads up. I might, as im not talking about operatives dropped me. This is why they have formed human fields of the women, the children, the elderly, and the most. Yeah. Diane, in order to check alans design is bombing machine. It is if they was saying design, does that mean . What do you desire just like you desire . Like there is a video tape of these words coming out of his mouth. You can be a rated i, or you can be a hawk, a snyder, but you cannot be a human shield, and i are because there are multiple leaders of them. Us who have brag about the use of babies and children, and women as human shields. You take that would, over, im to see international as which has said, conclusively, there is no evidence for these are human jails. A. M a stands and national, filed a report of the Harvard Amnesty International group on october 7th, saying that the killings were all the faults of israel and that how much. Oh well, i did not do anything improper. No, i dont trust them to Stay International at all. I trust photographs, who are you going to believe the photographs or youre lying eyes who you believe the video tape of the liter from us . Now this video tape was not used by understands the national when issues they denial the human shields were being used. Okay. Well, let me make sure you are being you. So people know photographs that have been publicly available, but to propose around judgments. Ill stop you that ill just stop. Ill stop you. The more from the merits, as professor at Harvard Law School and for the life. And i will jump engineers that are after this break, the look forward to talking to you all. That technology should work for people. A robot must obey the orders given by human beings accept. 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That means any disturbance that any kids causes in school is huge and force has never prayed for necessary. A tops people were never gonna change them out and some people will never change their minds about the video. They think i was wrong, and thats it. The welcome back to going on the ground. Im still here with the full of the trump lloyd emeritus professor at Harvard Law School in alter the new book war against the jews have to end masses, barbarism press, alan, josh events we were talking about. Well, you said you have photographic evidence alpha the atrocities on october the 7th. But now that we have a upwards of tens of tens of thousands of children palestinian skilled. You havent changed your mind at all about what is going on, even though the countries, which is the buying the weapons to israel. Clearly the population is that the population is in the United States. Daily auto running against israel, a wide strace in my view because of the numbers. Lets take the numbers. Lets assume the Palestinian Authority. That is, a mazda is right, that there are 30000. 00 totally killed. They dont distinguish between say wrong as a commence, 13000 according to israel. Our direct combat is that weve 17000. Were gonna have to deduct from that. The number of people whove been killed by eric rockets, for example, the one that was sent to the hospital. We know hundreds will kill by and Islamic Jihad rocket. We have to take away from that civilians who would voluntarily human shields or allow their homes to be used to build tunnels or allow their homes to be used to fight how most people, if we get that down, probably either or what number of, of civilians killed and terrace killed. In other words, the ratio is probably about 12. 00 to 13000. 00 of each. That is the lowest ratio civilians, bigger bands in the history of urban warfare. There has never been an army that is killed, fewer civilians and fewer children. Remember, children is defined by a mazda is any 119. They recruit their terrorist, 131415161718. So many of the so called children are terrorist. The same thing is true of the women. Just because you are a woman doesnt mean youre not a terrorist. And so many of the women who are killed were actual terrorist or complicit in terrorism. And when israel has the best ratio of civilian to lowest ratio of civilian took a band desk and thats called genocide. It shows you have no idea what the meaning of genocide is. Genocide is the live partly willfully targeting an entire well, it really will get all the jet aside. The 2nd, but i read these riley paper herad sociology professor. The over the rest of israel has said that the ratio is significantly higher than the average civilian deaths tool in all conflicts around the world and the 2nd level for the 1990. This regards to lindsey called with the razor, and when you talk about children, ive got a list here. I have the actual list here of one after the other of people, children, infants, 0 years old, one years old, 2 years old, 3 years old. I mean, i got this right here, i got the names of all these people then or 80, or im do they have a list of the 1000 or 2000 children. But from a total of 30000. 00 people killed, that still makes it the lowest ratio of civilians to combat. And then any history and i challenge any, well, this is a 3 or the account holds in gaza. 2012 to 2022 ratios. Civilian death to l, just 44 percent major decline to 33 percent operations yield in arrow in the 1st 3 weeks of this current operation. 61 percent. But lets just take, i mean, aside from all these contested by both sides, this takes the actual woods off say, president gets i could. So go, i think, you know, the president of israel, i know quotes it is an entire nation who are responsible this rhetoric about civilians. So professionally the rhetoric, both of us are arguing about supposedly not being involved is absolutely untrue. And we will fight until we break their backs. And of course hes really defenders enough to he is right. God that has declared war and his real gaza is an unit. Gaza is real off of who my children. I asked the majority of guardians support what, how much did the vast majority of the west bank did . And what president hurts. Ive nearly said is there is responsibility in the way the german people were responsible for the nazis, the japanese people responsible for what happens there. And, and yes, when you elect people as the guidelines elected a mouse, and the boss acts on your behalf and committed atrocities, there is collective responsibility. That doesnt mean there should be collected punishment. That doesnt mean that there are some people should be killed. And israel goes to Great Lengths to avoid killing of civilians more than any other country. They give warnings, they tell in advance were their attack is going to be and the extra billions are killed because they use the human shields. When you used to go as human shields, civilians die, as i said, theres no evidence or human fields as being there basically saying, but i mean that argument can go on and on. Yeah. But in your book, and you would just ed mentioning the 2nd world war violence, i mean the, the file bombing of tokyo with the bridge bombing of dresden, i know, used ive never heard of them being used as excuses for the war. Nobodys using. I mean, if anything, these are atrocities that uh, i mean the film oppenheimer, they may, when the oscar has a, its not so much the 0 schumer and i guess like, you were necessary. Some people debate whether they should have happened to tool the bombing of dresden and so. And whereas you, again and again say they were clearly necessary in the fight against knots is a and i oppose. I was opposed to the bombing of dresden, im in favor of the bombing of hiroshima and nagasaki bombing a fever. She mercedes, more than a 100000 american lives of soldiers. You know that to the point, there was already a deal with russia as late as dorians. Are found or later when japan did in pearl harbor, you put your civilians at risk and military to make decisions. I would not have supported the decision on that. Exactly. But its real different. Do. There is real, is engaged in efforts to try to destroy how much they have the right to do that. Thats part of american policy. Thats part of british policy. Thats part of nato policy. Israel has the right to destroy from us. It should do it in a way that how much has the right to destroy israel. Then under 2334, and the right to struggle in Un General Assembly resolution 3743. 00 rate and be head uninstalled and kidnapped. And take, has told you about the beheading. Theres no evidence your lawyer. No, you have to develop the evidence. And i and i saw the picture. I know the person is head its, its online. His head was over just for sale, for 10. That was all i is none of this being validated by the official un reports into atrocities and it has been validated and its absolutely true. I sat next to the father crying his eyes out, showing me the picture of the sign. Well, the white house has walked back by means why these are right. You know, so and for 10000. 00, you destroy your own credibility when you dispute that. When do you disagree the race . When you dispute the use of human shields, you destroy your credibility. You just will the eyes of the world clearly like a hi there. Remember nazis denied all across the so many years and that destroyed their credibility. And anyone who says there was no rates. Anyone who says theres no human feels does not deserve to be less than 2 on any other subject. Their credibility is gone. Okay, well we havent seen the evidence in New York Times is walking back earlier pieces and then you know, without the use of rape quite the opposite. I read New York Times that there been efforts by some radical and to israel, people to get them to walk it back and they have refused to walk it back. Theyre standing by their view in the us standing by issue that there is clear and convincing evidence that is a very high was there, thats no evidence of rates, not only rates individually, but rates as a policy of a boss, which is one of the worst. Why is this folks pass the room keyboards gary rejecting these kinds . Why is it a family of the one family over the woman who is allegedly reg said, this is not true. Why the New York Times publishing . Theres a lot of this exposed by the grades and of course, the max bloom and tools im extremely good. Big ex blumenthal is a big it, these bonanza israel from the very beginning. He is not to be true. And there are many others who are not to be trusted. Look at the photographs, the, the video tapes, the israel has produced at the times, relied on looking at what the United Nations relied on. You will see clear and convincing evidence as far as the know i read the whole report and they clearly say they collected no evidence. That is the words of a promoter pat this week. Why . Oh tunnels underneath hospitals. If they werent using the hospitals as human shields, you know what i called the hospitals. I called the mazda tunnels, under the heard of god. But why put guys under siege . But anyway, fundamental to all of this is the right of the palace, getting people to struggle against a, a struggle. They were offered a state and 48 and 67 in uh, 90 maybe 2, but they still have the right to um, sort of the la against occupation or direct me. There was an estate in 2005 the night in 2007, 800 omer, offered them to stay on 98 percent of the west backs. A 100 percent is bizarre. Levant. Well, and they turned it down so of no, they have no right to struggle. They have a right to diplomacy. They have the right to accept a 2 state solution to argue for, but they have no right to rate at the head as it was sold as a kid. Now to take a one year old baby and hold them hostage, we didnt even know that they used to live. No, they have no right to do that. How many children palestinian children are in . Is rileys james, a non none merely geno children in these right . These are all yeah, there are so you so you agree with your friend president had so what about you . Ive got on there will be no electricity. There will be no food, no fuel. Everything is closed. We are fighting animal people and we are acting accordingly. Do the we, why the well, i mean actually does, does get onto this. People have said joe biden, maybe the last pro israel president. What do you feel as a defender of his right as a friend of nothing. Yahoo, knowing that youve lost the narrative. Now in the United States, the rest of the world clearly is not simple. Were seeing uh the a pack mugs. These really line is this, the end of it, these riley projects we approaching the end of the as rarely project of israel support among American Voters is higher and very high, particularly among people of voting age. They have lots of support among young people. Of israel is militarily strong. Israel will never give up and they will always be in israel and until the palestinians recognize that and understand that until, you know, i sat across from a boss, the head of the palestinians are free and i set them over again. Or if you will say the following words, i hear, but recognize israel as the legitimate nation state of the jewish people. I will get you to stay solution. And he said, i cant do that. I cannot recognize israel is the nation saying the jewish people, thats the problem. Thats the core of the problem. I support for the 2 state solution. I actually i do they everything. I dont think many experts do support the tuesday. They want one state from the river to the city with both jews, but christians and muslims all living in. And you know how much except in these riley states and that change of that traffic with 1967 borders. I truly say, look in my book, i quote the charter words the word and i quote, the revised charter. I challenge anybody to read it and tell me that her last day was it is rarely state. Let me tell you, if im oscillator would get up and say, i favor the establishment of a nation, save the george people in israel. He would be assassinated immediately. No, im just finally and briefly then. So 50 to the majority in america, according to pollings, is against sending weapons. Now, to israel, you think they being influenced by george soros and im just the international and do you think thats whats happened and how often universities . Why is it the majority now . Do not sending it well. I think the majority probably poses any webpage to any country in the world there. Many i salacious but the majority support israel majority support, the destruction of a mosque majority. So board president by the policy of allowing israel to destroy him, us getting the hostages back with less than a mentor, says until they stop the attack, new weapons to be sent no value. Its like that. So you go and number 2, the, the american policy is supported by most americans, and that is destruction of almost getting the hostages back and trying to move toward the possibility of a tuesday solution. But they cant be a 2 state solution. If im honest or amazing power, let me tell you the most greatest beneficiaries of israel destroying how much would be the Palestinian People, the Palestinian People without a moss could thrive. There could be a democracy. What is real . Ended its occupation of all gods in 2005, 2006. They could have built cynthia. What was that . Sorry to continue your patient as we go. There was no occupation until im us took over on a cool tool. The Palestinian Authority was also that the rockets in israel said it has to guard the borders and it has to have control it. So that was your and everything. But the other professor, how long does your wits thank you as well. Thank you. Lets stick to this act. Okay. As right, thats it for the show. Continued condolences to those bereaved by u. K. U. S. You on bombing in palestine 11 in yemen, syria and iraq will be back with more on the nature of nation war, limited, least on monday, until then keep in touch my role as social media, if its not sensitive in your country and had to our channel, the under warranty, the normal, the. Com to watching you and all of that sense of going underground. See you monday. The breaking news on, on the international, he has alluded to move in a 100 soldiers with thousands will surrender in a new russian expense. Its what was the claims, the 2nd largest city, a call called with several specimens pulling on most of those involved. And these 10 people have been killed and many more wounded is the idea of continues to on, on rafa in southern gone south africa, it cools the moon. Imagine from the i c j to restrict the ideas for sense theyve been done. Another country, libya language support to the genocide case against it as well. Also have the you are shredding the orange