So what makes this place so specially what secrets is a friday to find out . Deep under the city was alexander pop up to the store and who studies the wonders of the moscow metro. The is called the google gov, our time, the detention facilities and the Guantanamo Bay naval base has been the facility where the Us Department of defense has detained and interrogated. Whereas redeemed extra ordinary dangerous people and to prosecute them for more crime. Im sure i know who use it. On this edition of 360. 00 view, were going to look at whether the United States can justify the continued operations of the military prison at get. Now lets get started. The United States presents in Guantanamo Bay, begin in 1898, following the spanish american war and 19 o 3, the United States designated its land in cuba as a naval station. The following, the terrorist attacks in new york city in washington dc on september 11th, 2001 United States opened a military prison in Guantanamo Bay. Cuba to hold suspected terrorist. Now since 2002, 779 men had been brought the detention facilities had Guantanamo Bay. The Largest Group were for afghanistan with saudi arabia and jem, and hes running the top 3 of the 50 nationalities represented is now currently, many of the 779. 00 men have either been released, transferred or died, leaving only 30 men currently residing in the facility many of these men are deemed forever prisoners because the state department cannot find a single country in the world who would be willing to receive even those men who have been cleared for release. Why . Well, because these men, despite never being officially charged due to the gridlock, what is happening with the 911 trial are suspected to still have been involved in some way with a terraced organization. In fact, according to the most recent statistics from the office of the director of national intelligence, 204 of the 676 released detainees, are there confirmed to reengage or a suspected of re engaging in terrorist activities. However, only age men held in guantanamo had been convicted, and 4 of those convictions had been reversed. No resistance to closing the facilities. A get mail has been mainly republican lead. And despite some minor actions being taken by democrats, when they controlled the oval office, none have made the actual move to completely close the facility. Is this because those elected office like courage . Or dont see the facility which was dominated the headlines as a priority . Lets discuss with our panel steve gil, host of the steve gail show and political commentator as well as andy worthington, who was an investigative journalist. Thank you so much for joining me, gentlemen. And i want to start with you should the United States still maintain the base and that intentions that arent going to them or by as well. No, of course knows anything, even president bush and a 2nd time recognizing that its been a mistake. It should have been close to a long, long time ago. Obviously, president obama made efforts to do so that was significant republic and pushed back. Its just such a great shame that is still open because they, they is a legal, moral, and ethical, abomination. And a great shame for the United States every day that it so well, steve, there has been questions regarding the prisoners, i guess. Now almost as its origination, you actually were there in 2005 as a guest. Then secretary of defense, Donald Rumsfeld in the department of defense almost 20 years later. Do you believe you were actually given a true look at the facility at that time . Or were you just showing the image the di or do you want it . Americans to see i think i saw exactly what was there and you know what we were seeing from the media at that time. Were these pictures of, of the grassy stance lines in and out door facilities. But in reality, it was the most modern and present in facility in the world. So what the media was showing was dramatically different than what we were actually saying in terms of the, the conditions is the treatment of the, of the chinese and others. I do think that its a moral ethical conundrum of what you do now that youve had them. How do you let them go and nobody wants to take them . How do you let them go when they are our highest of likelihood of recidivism back because of the terrorism, the activities that got them there in the 1st place and, and the challenges. You cant really bring them to the United States where they are going to be subject to the protections of the constitution. If youre going to have a military tribunal, you have to do it somewhere in like it or not get most about the only location. Well, thats of a and you know, you mentioned that you think that it should probably never been opened in the 1st place where and you suspect these sorts of suspected terrorists, possibly even the trial is that go along with them. Were sure. Where should they be held, and where should we hold these prisoners . Do what to put them amongst the civilian population in american prisons to . Well, 1st of all, i must stress that besides the men still held 16 of them have been unanimously approved for release by high level Us Government review process is the reason that they havent been freed. Yes is because of the political difficulty of finding countries that will take them, but its not, as you mentioned in your introduction because of any associations with terrorism that are attached to these man thats simply not the case. Um i, i obviously agree that we all have a problem with what to do with the 9 men who are currently facing judge isnt going to have him. I think 2 of them agreeing to a plea deal, which means that we buy security yall and weve got that set 6 or 7 man holding one time 5, many keys of involvement in the 911 trials, one man accused of involvement in the us as co attacked into size and the question of what to do with these man is the, is the really sticky . Well, you know, everyone else is have that ready really should be really. Now the problem is that the manager commissions that was set up to try these man, it tight into the use of torture. These men were all told you and didnt see a black sites. And the problem is the torture is incompatible with the proceeds of justice. And i think what weve seen with these trials is that they just go round and round and round, and as they, they never reach on please. You know, this is a, this is profoundly shameful. For everyone involved, now least of all the families and relatives of the 911. 00 victims who are receiving no closure. Logistics. So i think the only way to basis for that to be some kind of plea deal, whereby these man mates to what they are accused, though we would finally get the truth. Now why they would continues to be how, but would be handled under circumstances where they treated appropriately. And then you know, these are aging man with a physical and Mental Health problems that are not able to be adequately address the guantanamo. And i think it would be, you know, it would be appropriate to see these things take place as a way of bringing things to a conclusion. Like what im saying. But i dont know whether we going see that because it, so it remains so politically, topsy. Um, particularly, i think for republicans, but, you know, for some democrats as well. Well, any ive got, ive got a follow up with where to question about if theres nothing concerning about these man, why arent these other countries willing to take them . Why, why would they country, why would these other countries say no, keep them out of my borders . Oh, i think the, the, the have been their ongoing discussions between the state departments and various those countries. I think the reason that nothing has happened yet is because its products, it can be difficult for the buying and ministration to buy ministration. You know, there is almost no majority anywhere within the us congress, the lives the democrats, to behave in a way that they dont have to constantly look over the shoulders as to what the republicans are going to do. And because theyve, republicans have made one time to my such and toxic issue and then its problematic gold at the moment to do so. I mean, that would give them an opportunity to lead for them to bite the administration and suggest that the, you know, multi hobbling terrace when what theyre trying to do. As i point today, is release in fine view homes manual been unanimously approved for release. So it is, i think your issue, i dont think theres anything more to steve a couple of things. First of all, when you are capturing terrorist on the battlefield, you dont have the opportunity to put up Yellow Police tape, gather evidence, you know, take witness statements and, and prove a case like you would in a normal court of law. So some of these guys that are denying that they had anything to do with that, with terrorism or planning or anything else. Its not a matter that they didnt, its a matter of. Can you prove it based upon how they were, you know, detained or captured in the 1st place . I there was one of the episodes that were described to me when i was in Guantanamo Bay, that there was one of the so called terrorist that was about to be released. And, and as he was signing his, just papers to leave all of a sudden he reach down for his reading glasses. And one of the quick thinking soldiers observing said, wait a bit, the lower level, the drivers and guys that were cleaning out the stalls of, of the animals were wearing reading glasses. So they ran him back through the scrutiny and it turns out he was much higher actor in the process than then they thought at that time based upon the difficulty of, of proving anything. I think the other thing is when you have have these folks the fear and its not just republicans, i think, democrats as well that when they are released, they go back out, go back into the practice of terrorism and you know, he does it matter if its 30 percent, 40 percent, 50 percent. Every death after you left. That guy go is blood on the hands of those who approved it and released, but i think its, its not necessarily i think the democrats be, or what the republicans might do next. Its what they fear. The terrorist might do next. That would be blamed on them. Well, a steve and your former life. I know that you are an attorney, so i have to ask you, what rights do these prisoners have . They are obviously from other countries and majority of them here in the United States, not saying you know, that what, what are they guaranteed . Well, thats why the big challenge is once you let them step foot in the United States, start going through the Court Process and the us in, in most cases theyre going to be granted the protection because of the constitution, even if they perform their terrorist activities. You know, somewhere else around the world, thats been one of the justifications for having military tribunals which have been historically how these kinds of situations have been handled, you know, for, for century. So you dont bring them in to the Typical Court of law. Because that, that opens up a whole pandoras box of what rights should they get . What rights are they entitled to . And how would they abuse those rights . Keep in mind again when i was in contact about faith that the soldiers there were not wearing their name tags on their uniforms because of, in some cases the attorneys are these terrorists were getting the names of those that were the jailers. And then somehow they were, they were getting identified and they were getting threatened. So the soldiers couldnt even wear their name tags when they were at Guantanamo Bay for fear the rest themselves and their families. These already difficult a difficult and different set of defendants than any else in the world, including anywhere here in the United States. Well, and, and the, im going to ask you now that the United States supposedly, is out of iraq and afghanistan at least officially does to us still have jurisdiction to hold prisoners from the region. Well, clearly it shouldnt, but you know, i mean there was so many issues going on. Yeah, i mean, you know, no one is in any day that the small number of the people how to guantanamo been associated with terrace. In many other cases, the people that were sent to guantanamo what about foot soldiers . They were not tyrus in any sense. They had gone drunk, get a sense of fight with the time of man against them. The lines, the full, the 911. 00, that the tax and afterwards they were swept up. And so many of these people along with, you know, a lot of completely innocent people rented that by mistake and did that before and tell them so that a soldier as they should have long ago, been released. And, but a, because the conflict with which they were sees, i jumped to an end, but especially following the withdrawal of the United States from afghanistan. They should have been the problem, is that the position thats taken by, you know, parts of the administration and, and perhaps the United States government is that is a associations that leads man the allegedly had with outside the persist even though the how soon does it come to an end. So you know, these are claims that they stayed in and out. How you doing affiliated guess times 2122 trips 3 years ago, which i was suppose to justify carrying on holding that. I think that that said simply intolerable. And i think that it, you know, it is part of the problem. But that is involved with the establishment of guantanamo in the 1st place. What the United States did so fundamentally wrong me was to insist that they could hold people without charging the trial. Um, with that said, he writes whatsoever, im failing to recognize that the only 2 ways of depriving people of liberty lawfully is to judge them with a crime and put them on trial or hold them as the prisoners of war and to the geneva conventions. So trans, 2 years on we still stuck with this foundational problem before kind of the, this was the present, establish the strict people of that, right . So i must say that you know, those 60 men who are awaiting release and theyve been waiting for years. And the reason they havent been for you does because of the decisions that were taken to release them were purely administered. In other words, the lawyer is not involved. They cannot go before a judge to ask why it is that the United States that it no longer wants to hold them any still during so they are exec, essentially, prisoners of the executive. Im, you know, and i have to say that the shameful thing, after 22 years is the prison, where the man who wrote there a big deal of the beginning. What brought there explicitly to be held with that rights is a place west spill man. But the United States state says, but it doesnt want to, ill still remain as fundamentally with that, right. So say, well, i went on the day that was nice and you know, and thats, thats just shameful. Im that theres no way of dress bring it up in any other way that is just shape as a single stave. And i appreciate you both being on hold right there. Did you know there is a tie between a recent contender for president and the death of 3 inmates at Guantanamo Bay . Well, lets take deeper after the break with our panel, the the, the, assess what the adoption of 80, if its a thing you can see a facade indeed. And therefore the window at assuming that the to look into in a minute. The title is the dimensions of the photo. Im seen send the most of it to the, to the day. It allowed them listen to the the western relief scandalously, declare they are virtuous because of their so called values. The assault on the palestinians destroys the 5th of their virtues and reveals they have no values at all. You know, this is the case when they say, i believe in free speech, but the welcome back on scale hughes and you are watching the 360 the, the worst loss of life. The detention facility occurred in june of 2006. This is 1. 00 to 3. 00 inmates were found hanging from their necks, with hands and feet bound with rags in their throats. A 27 year old member of the judge advocate, general corps, and the most junior jag and the camp was assigned to start collecting the additional evidence, which would later be used in the investigation. That officer lieutenant ron de santis. And what he collected and saw would later be used to concur with the base commanders assessment that the 3 prisoners had killed themselves as an active, a symmetrical warfare wage against the us. We are back and going to continue our discussion about the relevancy of the detention facilities ad Guantanamo Bay with steve gil host, to steve and gil so and take a commentator and eddie worthington, who was an investigative journalist, steve, im gonna start with you the segment because advocates for those being held at Guantanamo Bay say that there are some inconsistencies and contradictions with that specific case of the death of the 3 prisoners. Due to the governor, randa santas would have been successful in his quest for the g o. P nomination. This could have been made an issue for him. I think it would have certainly deserved the 2nd, but yeah my, i thought as you were describing that as did the did run also investigate the jeffrey epstein. Jeff, in the, in new york prison and i just on its face the terms of, of that the investigation sound sounds a little weak. And again, it sounds like a top down ordered investigation rather than a real thorough investigation. Well, andy, now to the present time, do you actually think the entire facility should be shut down . Or you can you find any purpose for it in the future . No, i mean that i can find no purpose for its existence. And i think, you know, the fact that no prison that has been sent to gwen time in my series, the spring of 2008 is a pretty resigned and signed really. If im a power water, buy it id or it was, you know, we had 4 years of donald trump. We started off and seized the asked to be saying that he wants to send men that you know, and even with the people surrounding him, you know, who, who long would have. So why certain professors to have to hes a drive to, to expand guantanamo fairly tough. With bad guys, obviously, the way it became time was that was, that was sensible, was, this is a failed, failed institution. Its a file of experiments. It has the it isnt able to deliver justice to people and only to have it done so as histories deliver various forms of children and views which event for even embarrassing the United States government. So i think its absolutely time for it to close. As i mentioned earlier, the problem is not so much the men who have been approved for at least these men should be freed and they should be free this quickly as possible. The problem is the man who have been charged with serious taxes terrace, of which they are a handful of man and the trial system that is supposed to be deliberate justice to them is broken. And so the question is, what happens to these man . Now, you know, i think we can all remember back in president obamas 1st time in office. There was a proposal to bring these men to a federal cold in the service and knew why they would be prosecuted. And the bottom uh, unfortunately i think backed away from that and the, and the huge amount of inputs theres, im putting them back in one side of my where this managed Commission System doesnt. What so, i mean, is it possible that we would eventually end up with some kind of leadership that will be prepared to say, lets bring these men to uh, to the United States, mainland, to prosecute them letters and the story. Thats the only other way that the story ends, other than, as i said, you know, the 3 deals that have been discussed for several years now. With these men. All reality, as it is not which is bad and nothing happens. The warehouse being grand, panama, the rest of that lives, they get more ill and not looked at that. And you know, at some point down the line maybe decades. Now. The last of these people are going to animals for whom just this was never delivered in any way. You know, di and the im, the person is ok. I mean, those are the options as far as like. Well, andy, you know, i keep the overman, it does not necessarily agree with you that needs to be shut down. In fact, he says he believe trump should be arrested, and he should be detained and get him out. Lets take a lesson. If he is not on the president ial ballot in november to chaos and bedlam, his lawyers have told the Supreme Court that that is what will ensue if it does not do what he says. Trump past, the caustically threatened the Supreme Court of the United States. It is time detained him and send him to get mo, like any other terrorist set the, oh steve, could we ever see a time when it get mo, could house domestic criminals, like as business fate like accuse trump, or even those who have been convicted for their part in january 6th, which by the way, in modern times are kind of at the same place as those prisoners and get low, whos been there for so long. They havent been charged or convicted either yet they are american citizens a. Yeah. And theyre facing jail time with no they all right, let me just the trespassing at the, at the capital is the video now share those the capitol hill, police waving them in the opening, the doors on locking them. So i think there is a valid comparison to the mistreatment alleged at Guantanamo Bay, and the actual mistreatment of the january 6 separates there. So again, being held without bail for years is, is that certainly an affront . The justice. I think the, the apartment needs to be careful though, if uh, uh, threatening the kind of attacks on the Supreme Court that he mentioned apply to being detained. It gets low, then they need to make some room for chuck schumer, nancy pelosi and some of the other democrats who made the same kind of threats towards the Supreme Court justices when they dont like the rulings that they issue. I think the only thing you can really use one time of day Going Forward is if you just develop an actual system of these military tribunals to try not just put soldiers is and he mentioned but, but those are actually the leaders, the perpetrators, the planners that the funders of terrorist attacks around the world, but i dont know that thats in the offing, or that they can still get through the minutia of what you have to deal with for military tribunals to be conducted in a way that would be seen as a fair transparent, reasonable as, as justice and, and with respect to some of the, the torture that are in the reference. I would agree with him that you dont use torture as a punishment. You dont use it as a means of, of getting club justice. The only justification is if youre using harsh questioning to prevent the big terror attacks. And if, if water boarding can prevent the death of hundreds or thousands that i think most people would say thats justified if youre doing it just to hurt them and punish them. Thats not interesting. So andy and our final last last 2 minutes. Do you think the remaining prisoners a get mail . Are you optimistic that theyre ever going to be given a fair trial, or are they just going to be detained . And definitely, yeah, i mean, im not sure, i mean, you know, as i was saying, the data and the options, it seems to me that theres a plea deal which involves and not being able to stay at once animal and all efforts and made to and bring them to the us mainland and i must say, and you know, just in terms of um, prosecuting terrorism. The, the other thing thats very clear throughout the whole of these 22 years and it was evident throughout the whole of the bush administration. Was that if you want to successfully prosecute people accused terrace, the federal quotes of the way to do there have been hundreds of successful prosecutions of terrorism in the federal courts since 911. And they carried on to every administration. Those other ways that and from that terrorism shouldnt be prosecuted and the fame he has to do. So at guantanamo is just one most sign of the, of the absolute failure of the low and of justice when it comes to that facility. And you know, and all of these, uh, uh, such compelling reasons for why it should never have been open then and really everything that its possible to do to bring it to an end is absolutely necessary or anywhere a link to steve gill. Thank you so much for joining us. We will see what the future holds for getting a possibly in the next administration. With a less than a month in office, president obama, an attempt to fulfill a 2008 campaign promise, rushed to free 19 detainees from the prison at Guantanamo Bay. Now, 6 of these prisoners were released to uruguay, a country which is proven to be a terraced haven as their laws actually prohibit the monitoring this the right is surveilling and opposing travel, restrict says, august hayes, all because of their refugee status. Now, with the Current Crisis happening at the southern border of the United States and the lack of accountability of knowing who exactly is coming into this country, it is not unreasonable to ask, could americans not only be letting terrace across the border, but more importantly, terrorist who have a known grievance against the United States because of the actions which might have been committed to them while the change in question to get. Now, we might never know the truth about what actually happened to the prisoners i get now. But considering the reinstatement of those released prisoners had been linked back to the death of american soldiers. 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