Taken from me. I think thats a very good point. I think a lot of business, you know, International Business is going to start looking away from give it, and its a market. So they told more comfortable to trade, where they dont expect this kind of repercussion to the actions of governments, which at the end of the day is not really the action of the business. Many, many cases, business been work or whatever the luggage their international. And you cant stop penalizing punishing business when as the last overloads in the us get to russian business been 2 years ago. The indian general election is in full swing with a 2nd phase of those thing. Having wraps up in a t h constituencies across the teen stays the Indian National congress, the b j. P, and other policies are still fighting for endorsements from each stage. And we have a chance to speak with one of the candidates now with joined to advise the role, especially if the role in the number of parliaments when he, thanks for joining goes on the program today is very nice to see. Now id like to start off and jumping straight to in with india is place in the well right now. Now you have an empty is power into, into your political wise that were seeing what you expect from the country and the upcoming. Yes. What does that mean . Theres been a force to reckon with for some time now, the economy has put india in a very healthy place over the last generation going back to the liberalization of 1991. And since then, it has been a steady. Whereas seen a steady growth pass on the irrespective of whos been in par. And weve seen that continuing over 3 decades now. And as a result in this is see, not just as an emerging fall, but as a call that in many ways has a much, its already the was the largest economy in purchasing patters. Each end is likely to become the worlds head largest in actual real dollar tubs within the next 2. Yeah, so this is a country thats on the right track. By and large they can let me please. And as a result, given its kept in the world, its the most populous country in the world, even more populous in china today. Its likely that countries on all sides of the geo political divide, were taking this seriously. That i think is a given, whoever wins these, a lex. Having said that, its also important that in depths of plays a constructive and responsible role in the world communities right now in that has been cancelled to maintain relationships on both sides of every device. Russia and ukraine with israel and the palestinians with the americans as a chinese and so on. But there are some humans capable challenges that into account the nice has up a very tens border with china. It continues to have on resolve difficulties and thought to some of these are some of the put a new problems of indian farm policy, and they remain still sadly unresolved. And those will have to be checked on the go to stage. Finally, id say that the fact that into such an influential class on everything from cyberspace to august space makes it potentially a huge lead, a significant consider except to global governance. And that too makes into a false direct and were talking about state. And dave, thank you, and thats a lot less voice mail view on the way India Russian relations relationship to the relations between the 2 have been developing so far. How important do you think this partnership is for india, which is usually important about the shipping has been for a very long time in the when i busted visit mid to the, the, the soviet union and the old days and russia theyre off to, has been amongst and is a most reliable constant instead, foster friends in recent years and has been diversifying its sources of military equipment, which were heavily reliant on russia for many decades as recently as about 10 years ago. Oh, as soon as i told them that maybe about 15 years ago, russia, accountants, 85 percent of all of them does defense inputs of today thats gone down to more like 40 percent, i would say the of course of a lot of spare parts. And so on for workers that are important to continue to come in as well as india has diversified sources. But despite the, as i think the friendship remains very significant, we have thought for a long time, enjoyed uh, should we say uh, close a Mutual Understanding of the number of issues we have caused for peace in view creating conflicts. And that is doctor of the president put in the wrong way from what i can gather in that the call was made to him by private as to movies as a summer reaching. And so somebody comes and you responded. My leave at the circumstances didnt call so piece of that particular time, but India Remains a voice for fees on most global conflicts. And i would, i would probably leave it to that at this point of defense is a major preoccupation. Joe gilbert view of politics remains effective, but there are no major issues, dividing us and as you know of recent uh, in recent years, it has become of a major consumer of russian oil and gas products. And this has also been a very important, a crude for russia at a time of international sanctions. So theres some, uh, chevy se, mutual a win win on both countries box. And, well, some software in there when it comes to dealing with the west, especially when it has this relationship with russia as well. The western countries have shown some understanding. I would say that india has its own Foreign Policy and is not, has always been historically allergic to fitting into any particular block or a line specially in the likes that partners rather than allies. And thats again being the case. Going back to the days of the Non Aligned Movement on the funding, there are lots as Prime Minister and this continued, even in the very different government, a Prime Minister movies, in the sense that he has he has stayed friendly for russia, even while being somewhere closer to the west, then previous in didnt governments may have been at the same time, i would say that that he hasnt. Hes not endorsed uh, the Russian Point of view of this conflict. He showed understanding of it. There is a significant difference between the 2. I would say that um that, uh, the most important feature of in this position on, on the rush, or you can come take these in just kept its lines of communication open to both sides. A for a foreign minister, lovegrove has been to india a couple of times in the last year. He has to look is those who are willing to listen to what he has to say. And i think thats something thats valuable to, to the russians. As far as india is concerned, india a relishes being able to talk from a position of Mutual Respect with both with both the russians and the western countries. And indeed with the great. So i would leave it there this morning. You said that you say in this future a staying friends with old countries, with every body across the board. Im just wondering where are the red lines for india because weve been covering this story recently about said canada and also a support. So 6 that for to do think this will play a large role in new delhi dealings with the west. That way certainly playing an odd size over to now relations with canada. It hasnt yet affected our relations. Any other wisdom country, because things havent gone quite as far as they have in canada, where the government is seen by many in new delhi as being complicit in encouraging a movements based in canada that are openly not only secessionist, an extremist, and that dialogue, but had been directly associated with x of murder and mayhem in india, including the bombing of an ad in the jet line. In 1985, they took nearly 400 lights. So its not just the questions of supposing inflammatory rhetoric, which is the way the canadians prefer to see it for us uh the, the, the extremist elements in canada have cost in getting lights. And therefore, we have not pretty particularly sympathetic to kind of those indulgent and solve those elements on this or the future of india does indeed look very bright. However, some model is still continues a catholic allies. India is a developing country, while others see it as a highly developed nation, though, and then a long state of big, flat decay as he was said yourself. What did you mean by that . Good. How do i use it . I wrote, i wrote that in the opening paragraph of a satirical novel. I wrote which most of the things in french, but its a, its a depiction of india. I mean, that point of view goes back to the late 19 eighties. I would say that the cat has since been considerably repeated and anyone visiting india today would be impressed by the its the widespread use us also computers and digital technology. And even your, your, because the sellers with their carts on the streets will have a q r code on display so you can pay them by mobile phone. So its no longer this country indicates a country rushing impatiently to the 21st century. The novel, your closing from with that sentence is 1999. So its, its been a while. Its kind of a long way. And so what do you think, honest, some of the less still continue to cold into a developing country of what it is you see, because the fact is that in this has People Living in condition still all the cubes, poverty, and despair efforts are being made of course to pull them out to which i think both the present government and the speed assessments have claimed some success in actually pulling large numbers of indians. Also. Busy protects but theres still a lot of people who live bad either side of the funeral pi until every indian has, has the guaranteed assurance of decent lives. And 3 square meals a day and roof over their heads as well as access to Decent Health care. And the prospect of meaningful work. Its difficult to just likely claim we are developed country. Even Prime Minister, mr. Moseley, who is not particularly known for tempering, is measuring, has set to go all in the coming and developed country 420472800000 of us read about independence and thats 223 as a way. So i think even she didnt, Prime Minister will accept that. Its too early to call us to develop the country we, we got to wait 7 to get to know that everything is especially vocal about how portez colonial will that affected india. Would you say that that effect is still ongoing . Id love to know. To what extent do think the colonial rule hinder the developments of india . What it every conceivable respect. But its a bit its its, i think its a bit lame today. 75 years made sense to blame is i wrote a work of history i bought about today. I think we have to take responsibility for our own problems. The british took one of the richest economies in the world. One of the most prosperous countries in the world and system as a keep Elizabeth Newton is transformed into a post a child for 3rd world poverty and dispense with one of the newest life expectancies on the planets and the highest rates of poverty of the planets. When they left, so there is nothing good that one can say for 200 years of which can only is one of the same time that was 75. Yeah. 77 years ago now that baby left. And i think wed have to stand up and say, wed take responsibility for taking our future and our own hands and making it work. Obviously, many of the best ones left behind by the boss is still in deal with it. So im the administrator of framework orlando, didnt pass ends all population issues, but the fact still remains that we now are responsible. And we will take responsibility is also shaping our own district. You out of the pass code for the prisoners government to pay reparations to its former colonies. Is that something that you still think should be done and how to move like the benefit india . Now is that, or even a southern grace enough that ive been slightly misrepresented on that . What i said in that particular speech that went viral with several multiple millions of people watching it was that i dont agree with the notion that financial reparations. I went on so as i said that any amount of credible reparations would not be payable. Indeed, a, an economist has said, thats the actual monetary value of business exploitation of, in this cant even leave the estimated at 45 trillion box. And since the person has a, a per capita, it has a total of g, d, p, a 5 trillion. I think 45 trillion is impossible to pay. So any credible, say, go would not be payable. And any payable say, go would not be credible because whatever, uh, britain can pay in the end. Reparations would, pale by comparison with the vaux damage, done the lives on necessarily last around the, the simple expropriation and exploitation of india. By but it is put in your groups. That doesnt mean the accounts pay reparations to smaller calling these worthy songs wouldnt be more affordable. And more realistic, and im not presuming to speak for barbados. So diana, ill see you at a leo and saying that they dont need reparations. That it may well do the funding. The, i think the, the model of the toner and by the british is far more important. The british have never apologized for 200 years of colonialism. And i think its high time they did. So its a distance, a Good Opportunity for them to do so. But since unity of the egregious and tragic jelly, im all about messic up. I mean thats and tina retain the british Prime Minister was not able to go beyond an expression of redirect, which most people would consider the mild. And we also feel that i also feel and have been advocating passionately that originally would do well to teach unvarnished canadian history and schools. So you dont have the laughable spectacle of polls as recently as the last couple of he is showing the majority of british people claiming to be proud of the empire. And one thing a back, which was such an also thing, it was almost like, can you imagine a situation where the germans would want the nazi regime back . And yet thats what some people have written out of well for the notes, because the british dont teach, which was about couldnt it as well dont teach college. And i told that history classes and schools and that should be rectified. And the other thing i suggested is, with that capital london being a, was the capital of museums. They should think seriously of constructing a Serious Museum of colonialism that would show visits as from around england and around the world. What they did to Foreign Countries and how they gained from is as well as what damage they did to others. That could be a useful history lessons. Just as german students today are bused to the concentration camps. A museum of colonialism in london. What do i think that was also good . Those are far more important than monetary reparations. But starting off with a simple, sorry, would take us a long way and date. I couldnt agree more. Now in the ninetys, he said theres a special view and assistance of peacekeeping operations. Could you give us an idea of what that experience was like especially, and it went up to the cost of a war of 99 . Well i, i worked for a long time ago not terribly long, had a 29. You agree or the united missions, during which time i spent a very meaningful of 70, a student in the United Nations peacekeeping department during which i was the team leader for the former yugoslavia. So i was, the person was up rising. The reports of the secretary general attending the Security Council meetings visiting your besides, you have more times than is entirely wise and safe. A boxing through mine fields and, and facing snipers and all that fun. While at the same time having to of having to do the diplomacy in new york with the countries, particularly the members of the Security Council, of the troops contributing countries on peacekeeping operations by which im comfortable. It happened, i had left to be sleeping to serve in the office of sector general coffee under, which is where i was when the bombing of some of the initial bombing of 199. 00. It could and also was more on us forcibly separated from sub yes. Uh, that was a different experience. I was not in the peacekeeping department, but indeed, its fair to say that the peacekeeping department didnt 10 bucks to do with that. It was a new operations that resulted in that particular situation, but i was involved from the beginning of the civil war, 91, once the e u monitors pulls out in the u. N. Came in and in fact i was the person who led the 1st Exploratory Mission for the us. And along with a finished cults, we travel through the wall fields and the was owns between the subs and the trots in october 1991. And we were dubious about the feasibility of peacekeeping at the time. But the world had already decided this was going to be the you and talk the place. And so the report for you wrote to the Security Council, wherever you said that there wasnt really an easy, viable peacekeeping concept to be suggested. Something that the but as you split agreed upon was the one that was, was chosen. And then subsequently as a whole, washington interrupted, in bosnia and so on and spread throughout the former yugoslavia. I remained the person in the Un Peacekeeping department dealing with these problems. But theyre all of a small team, but of course the rather large operation on the ground that grew as it. Busy from a handful of observers, when i 1st got involved to Something Like 88000. So just by the time i left to the end of 9. 00 to 6. 00 on the election of kofi, add them to be secular. Jennifer said was a huge period of my life of one that showed i would say many of the opportunities and the limitations of applying the peacekeeping technique to places where there was no peace to keep. And thats something we could talk about grace at length. Then this particular for about 2 minutes, i know the last week you saw the in the general election and through the 2nd phase of voting and tooting in your constituency. What do you think about how the voting process is going the as well, we had some issues in catalogue, where my stage with the turnouts could not be properly accommodated many boots, and a lot of voters, not only in my constituency, but swap my states. I. Busy tend to way off to way to inordinately long. I was in queues to vote and that shouldnt have happened. And we have complained to the Election Commission that this was mismanaged, but by law, you know, of, i think the, the elections came across otherwise, as, as, as free and fair. Weve had our issues with some of the technologies used. We would id like to lodge a some pool of both of verified paper trail machines to be counted alongside the electronic Voting Machines and that sort of thing, which is a pending ongoing issue and then getting elections. But otherwise we had them, you know, 70 percent. An option catalog and, and another state site to this. But i would say that the 1st couple of phases have gone without any onto was incident. Certainly no violence or anything like this. People are coming out to vote. The campaign is progressing. Many of us, including me personally, feel that the process is far too long. It need not have required 7 phases. The Election Commission has identified to conduct these polls. I think it could have been disposed of quickly, but yeah, from the voting being cost in my constituency. Last friday to the declaration of results on the on the 4th of june. Thats more than 40 days, i think tested to 48 days and thats an awful long time to wait to know the results. Not terribly thrilled about that, but otherwise no conflict so far its gone. Its been reasonably well and we hope the remaining phases will go without incident as well. And the reason, and so did you identify the main goal of the car in selections as preserving, quote, the main idea of india . Could you explain to is what you meant by that face . Well, this is domestic politics really gets out of your head on your own international show. But let me tell you what i mean. We have cherished, for the longest time, an idea of india that was of an intrusive nature in rich or religions, all costs or classes or creeds, all languages. And people have all states lives in equality and harmony in the country thats. Thats what the idea of in depth, in trying to now constitution, by the way, is all about what we have on fortunately and reading policy for the last 10 years. The does not share the idea been doing that indeed is our errors to a political move in the reject to the constitution, but it was framed because they believed india should be. I shouldnt do it off to a nation of kingdoms in which people of other states live on sufferings, either as guess or as im welcome into the next thing. We dont agree with that reading of in day. We dont agree with everything in history, and we dont agree with the implied lack of some harmony that this will produce if uh, as a result of rooting parties continuing to demonize minorities, we had a situations where am i not of the communities particularly most seems these days, sales on work in our country, we believe that india belongs to old for a positive. Its culture of civilization and demography. And we believe everyone has thrived in an india where equal rights have been a cherished principle for us. And therefore seeing. Im listening to some of the inflammatory rhetoric of the Prime Minister and his and his posse members has been somewhat sane, making so those of us in india who have been proud of this inclusive idea of india. And, and i, for example, the, someone whos written extensively about this kind of in depth and deeply frustrated to see in the being reduced to a lens that comes across as bigoted. An intolerance, which in many ways is, is fundamentally on in did. And what is worse, so they doing this in the name of him good to us. Whereas such as that, you just found him into the, on the, in the, in the resume is the same, is the old embracing face that accepts difference unexplained fix, all sorts of differences within its Belief Systems and between its and all the Belief Systems. So its, its a, its, its a big, complicated to basically indian space. But essentially, if i would have simplified photo for an audience, it is about into seriously into civic death versus intolerant. India is what we see. The selection was being about. Just one final question before we die, if i may, as a full menu, an officer, how would you assess the will the bodys response to the car and what are we seeing and gone . Is it comparable to any of your Previous Missions . Would you say . Unfortunately, im afraid the, the conflict in the middle east has always been one that of you and has found difficult to deal with. Except on the rare occasions when all the principal pauses involved, are willing to agree on a piece. We well as your know, instrument thing, the very 1st piece, the 1948 you into supervision organizations in jerusalem. We would instrumental in the piece in the suez canal of crisis in 1956. And we brought in a un peacekeepers off of the 1967 wolf who lingered for a long this time, i would regroup job to the 1973 will also, whenever was a could, we will help us. But we will prepay, able to restore peacekeeping operations today, i find no immediate prospect of doing anything meaningful. I would certainly want to you in to lead efforts for peace. But the fact is that the is really a government of, with what they consider to be just cause off to the heating is attacks of the 7th of october on innocent civilians. They have a mock diploma campaign which as you know, many have considered as bordering and genocide. And in the circumstances of the un kenyon reactive, the Security Council unanimously agrees on an intervention that to that, to stop this kind of felt like the Security Council is not agreeing because the us and, and some of its allies are not sympathetic to any desire to impose a piece upon these remedies, but there is a serious amount of, of talking going on behind the scenes about the possible seas. Why, but it does not seem to involve the United Nations. It seems to be lead principally by the United States and a couple of states in the middle east, notably got the era and others who have been working with both of us and israel to try and come across us with a viable formula that can bring about peace, so i cant say frankly that the u. N. Has distinguished itself with the surprises, but im not sure its entirely reasonable to blame the un here. I was looking more critical of the you and for not having intervened earlier to prevents the russia you creating problems next. Because when it was being widely tether dropped for weeks before the war broke out. Thats what it might be a minute. That would have been the right time for the un 60 generals to send the miseries to both, must go and keep, and if necessary, to nature capitals, to find a formula that could have avoided this, this tragic war. And very was critical of the un. I am not similarly critical of you in here because i understand the dynamics of theres not much thats the un could have done in a situation where super paws are directly involved and im not prepared to agree on a piece for me to me. So i shut the royce in an absolute pleasure. Many thanks for speaking to us today. Thank you all the best to you and thank you for joining guys with back in just a few minutes with petima the. When the Worlds Largest democracy votes the rest of the planet watchers in an emerging multi polar world india as voice matters. But who will be the power behind watches, almost 1000000000 people decide and billions more, react the, the russian states. Never as one of the most sense Community Best most ill send send up the progress be the one else calls question about this, even though we will bend in the european union, the kremlin media mission, the state on the russians per day and supports the r t suppose next, even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube tv services. For what question did you say from stephen twist, which is the the agencies able to via the fights up at the sponsor, the minutes and the, the, all the guys, the St International organizations sounds fell in love with it came on a terry and crisis and going to with the un quoting attention to the 13000. 00 children killed, then just save off again. 900. 00 arrests were supposed to be made within 10 days. Its Police Continue to class with American University students, riley and go over goza. We have from the u. S. Green policy co chair, so its a non good elizabeth. I think it really highlights the hypocrisy that the Democratic Party and indeed the Republican Party as well in body. They will tell us that they want peace for everyone and then fund genocide and as thousands riley