Thats, thats the reality. And i think that the final result of the vote will show that he is popularity, is that its the highest or one of the highest levels since he assumed power the quarter century ago. Why did the russian people feel that way, given that some i think he was the wrong man at the wrong time. Hes delay in acting to stop the nature of a nation proxy war through ukraine to save the people of the dont bass of cause. Now the us press is revealing c, i, a base is on rushes, board is amazon need to call me in this part in the duma that fullest his hand. Hes the wrong person as me. He belatedly came in to defend those people being massacred by nature, nation weaponry, which is were talking about the conflict in your claim that started back in 2014. I think at that time a present potent took a, a view that the issue could be saw. Busy the, by a combination of, of a russian action in crimea. And crimea is a review and if a cation with the russian federation, and at the same time, uh, uh, a diplomatic, a political solution with regard to done best, the 2 regions of done best. And yes can look, ask the moscow does not recognize the southern states, a sovereign entities, a box on your crane until on the eve of the military action. This special military operation that could be ordered on the 24th of february 2022. Busy busy it is late and abuse. He regretted, or at least he talked about the option of uh, using fully the mandate that he was given in 2014 by the russian federation. Cultural the Upper Chamber which. Busy busy gave him the right to use Russian Military forces in ukraine, not just in crimea, which at that time belonged to play. But in the country, in general. At the time when the legitimate president was toppled by western supported mob in a cool and russia still did not recognize the new authorities in. Yeah. So putting uh, essentially gave diplomacy a chance. That chess was never taken by the opposite side of. Yeah. And so he trusted the mens process whilst people was being killed in easton, ukraine. I know he wasnt to the boss as it when libya advocates, richards per capita, country was destroyed, was made. We had to win rush or obtain to the security council, but it seems we have a lot going on with these russian leaders in the trusting european players. I know uh nobodys here. Angry michael is subsequently said the mintz process was just a delaying tactic to increase arm supplies to cab. Do you think persian is learned a lot in the past 5 years . I think we all learned a lot in the past 5 years or the last uh, 30 years. If you take a longer view. I think that the russians today are in general, very different. Obviously theyre attitudes to afford this is they were in the, in the ninetys or in the early 2, thousands. I think they, they certainly would not trust other peoples words. They would look at their own um capabilities of protecting their own interests. That would come 1st and any guarantee is that for and is, could theoretically give, could only be, uh, uh, was anything if uh, the russian positions were uh, sufficiently backed up by russians own forces. I should say the far right could testing the elections and the left. I would never say they would not eve about these threats. What is the source of this . Now you see that you talk about a month to put in and all the people i dont know what you is saying actually after the 2014 the crew, infamously. Yeah. The victoria newland phone, cool. Explaining how they did it. Will you also trusting these west indeed, just because i tell you in the global south now and roger side, they never trusted. These full the colonial minus to countries. I think that they will pull it maybe, but the i think that the booth and itself uh, talked about the name of the one um when, when, when he was was asked that question awhile ago. I think we all uh, believe that the wind of the cold or well why . Um, i think there is, uh, that is something about uh, russia after twos, to uh, the outside world including the western world. Um that is uh um that tends to look for um you know, uh good outcomes uh, bed relations. Uh uh, russians and people with long memories. But those long memories do not hinder them or forget things well, not forgetting, but forgiving me. You are in the secret, jarvis is without your wrath. If you do truly, you knew there was subterfuge and every other country from latin america through africa, through the south, east asia in the far east as meetings. And if you hate it in some way, by all sorts of soft power entities and the math from the world bank, and yet there was this level of trust amongst the post soviet to leads in the past 10 years. Or i think that its not just the lead. So thing it says is that its a broader phenomena. Just think of it 28000000 sylvia citizens died as a result of the german invasion of the soviet union back in 1941. And yet russians until broken until today, actually they are very little brother. No grudge against the germans of today. Augusta, german people in general. Uh, there is nothing like what the premiums are doing with regard to the russian heritage in, in, in ukraine of that bus that was happening in russia and the soviet union in the wake of the 2nd world war. As long as the does, the enemy was defeated. He was looked upon as in many ways except for those who were brought to trial as victims of the nazi propaganda, victims of the nazi regime. And they were made friends into france and then to publish. And in the early 2000, you wont believe it today, but germany was considered to be their friendliest nation. As far as russia was concerned, except maybe for bill. Or theres an inkling with the russian mind to look at the brighter side of things to look up the possibilities of friendship and partnerships and stuff like that. Its uh, i think that its, its part of belonging to a big nation, which essentially feels basically secure, which doesnt, uh, it does need to engage in that the charges and, uh, you know, um, all the stuff that you do see in spades around russia never actually happened within russia, and i think thats a good thing that you know, this pre, a pre di. Lets try to see the better side of your, of your neighbors up, even though the form and ok, lee things, why will in between but and then moscow and then okay, if im accusing the entire rushes elite system of being i eve, i think it surprises everyone their reaction to the american destruction of the north stream pipeline. That was so important for germanys economy. Perhaps no one could have predicted that. But surely, voters will be saying, look at those problems with the wagon the private most and reach out to us group in the past couple of years have look at the fact that a look at the fact that im actually just relating to what you just said the secret services in russia had no idea that what was really going on in these european capital, just to double cross boots in every step of the way on ukraine as it did on every other issue, seemingly as well. I think, i dont know, but i would presume that uh the uh, the russian intelligence, but as a supply and the brand new leadership, whereas the adequate people replace requested adequately described the situation in those capitals and those countries here. The crew in care of or yeah so, so i dont think that there were illusions about there will have there will hopes that uh, a political solution was a possibility. I think those folks lasted at least until 2019 i think it was in 2019 the the failed attempt by russia to reach out to the newly elected ukrainian pressure. Busy a lot of them, it was a landscape and to engage him in the discussion about the political solution in dont past that the, that they eventually this abuse themselves of, of those early illusions. Probably 2019. I think were seeing this uh the escalation of the, of the tensions and, and. Busy the way name of the, of hanks with regard to the dissolution. Now the to the gradient crisis. But prior to that, or for 5 years, there were a they, but they will hopes, i think that the, there was some sort of a hope that russia is uh, established as a Nuclear Super power. I would uh protect it from being addressed politically in such a, its such a sensitive area. The, were always memories of the cuban missile crisis. And the way the United States reacted to the soviet incursions in the, in the western hemisphere. The people thought, well that was the lesson we lot of that was also the lesson that the United States might have learned. But that was i think people were wrong, including myself. I think i also believe that talk to the major trying and ill stop you. The more from a member of russia as foreign and Defense Policy Council. After this break the, the, the, [000 00 00;00] the, the, the, the welcome back to going underground. Im still here with the full, the director of the contact the most go center. Now member of rush as far and the Defense Policy Council talking to me through training. We were just talking about 9862 in relation to these elections that how perhaps no one expected the brinkman ship but from washington. Given the nature of powers acting against russia through ukraine avenue to weapons, but on the election itself, you know, how propaganda media in the western countries we will cover this election. Theyll say that there are um, wide spread irregularities that were recording to go last, which is a quoted in the most go times. You havent used papers in russia that can oppose the government given you dont have them in the European Union countries. Was that new britain where im from . Why is it assigned a week this, the nato countries will be desperately reviving the, the name of the valley, a man who is hated in the muslim world, of course, for his supportive examination, wisdom will be reviving his name and be talking about widespread violations at the so called free elections in russia. Well, i dont think that people know, as opposed to a few years earlier, i care at all about how the west, cesar rushes election. The important thing is how the russian people see these elections and invite you the russian people overwhelmingly to believe that the elections are what they should be. And that the result of the election actually reflects the popular will. Is it your sense that there are demographic analyses to be done as to a russian vote is elderly pool or a vote, as perhaps, supporting the communist party . Well, middle class ones of the cities voting for the liberal party. The majority voting for approaching the these, the dynamics involved at this election . Well, i think theres always dynamics in, in any election and the demography is one of the very important ingredients analyzing the results of, of, of, of any election. I think that the, in russia though, there has been a shift, a massive shift toward um, um, but what you would call patriot is this to pay if it is in the, its like bare of the paid. It is most costly is press the book, but also i would say, i would say that uh the, uh, uh what, what stands out in this uh, Election Campaign and uh, i guess the background of, of, of the war thats going on. Uh, not very far from where i sit in in moscow. Uh is uh the emphasis on the social programs in the, in the present that likes to our program and in, in, in the actions of the, of the russian government. So uh, who is um, essentially focusing on social issues, even as russia has to invest much more in the Defense Industry and National Defense in general. And i think that is something that the uh, the, the russian public believes is, uh, is right. So you need to have a Strong Military and up, strong, military needs to protect your national interest. But you also need to avoid the mistakes that the soviet union made and actually put in uh, recently uh before to the, um, uh, essentially putting too much investment into the military dash, uh, literally awning itself, the depths and papers holding the balance between the needs of of National Security on the one hand, on the knees of social development on the other, a well activity of other critics in the United States about the fact that there are of our dre favoring military keynesian ism, is a way to recover the United States economy. But does put, you know, joe biden, a bit bite, and on the 26th of march 2022, saying put in, cannot remain in power. Is it statements like that . It would be explicit statements from the white house by joe biden, that with a whos in the contact biden for, in terms of the reaction in russia just statements like the well, i would say this, the spend, the mental changes that are happening in russia right now. Theres a sea change happening in russia from russian federation, 1. 0 to russian federation, 2. 0. These changes would never, in my view, be possible, at least uh, in the short term. Absent uh, the uh, absolutely 0 that reaction the west to the special military operation in ukraine. So the decision to put russia under the socialist of sanctions regime, witnessed in modern history and the absence the proxy war that the United States and its nato allies are waging a guest, russia in ukraine. Many of those changes would take much longer. And maybe well would not see them for, for a very long time. So in a way this, uh, more structured they, they, a griffin from, from the outside, has pushed russia off the, uh, the, the point where it got stuck in the middle to late, 2010 and uh, no rush i think is uh, developing much faster in so many rails and then uh then uh, lets say a decade ago or 2 decades ago when it was pursuing straight down the line, your liberal policies on the plus congress. This issue is there a degree of forgiveness then because of the sanctions, because its clear their way around and go to reports of iowa pool or russians got drafted 1st and conscripted 1st to the front. There were a teething problems of some would say, inexcusable. As regards the leadership in the military as part of this operation, i mean, it was only this week that to the end of the navy, i understand nichol. I am having over his being relieved of his post to come on to do the russian people forgive these problems as part of this federal military operation. We dont hear that kind of problem, particularly on the nature of back proxy forces. Well, i dont think you can talk about forgiveness, but i think the reality is that uh, in the war exposure is uh, failures are shortcomings of crimes. Committed them to start and uh at the beginning of the war. You have to pay for them dear. And i think russia rusher, todays no exception, People Killed the builder on the waiting list. The people who killed the list really. Right, right. No, no, its a its, its that, thats correct. But that is uh, i dont think that it begins to give a guess is the right word. They think that people uh shelby just shall be brought to account and id be brought to go. Uh for the uh, for this thing is they did wrong. They were the failures that they were responsible for. And maybe you did not publicize that during what time on the actual work type or the fact old work time. Um, but uh clearly there, thats that there, there are lots of, lots of, uh, shortcomings and problems in the system. But uh, you would also, uh, i think agree that in the 2 years of fighting russia has learned a lot has gained a lot of experience. And that experience uh has a, uh well, you know, which is a show owing to somebody is, uh, uh, extra left effort to uh, ramp up, for example, production of uh, of the military material of people on the other side were, were stopped by russia being able to ramp up for the production now, based on tillery shells, uh tags, uh, aircraft, and, and many other war machines. Uh, and also the rest of the economy is, uh, the russian Financial System has been able to withstand the master blow that, again, the people who engineer to sanctions regime. So the russia would crumble that robot will be drugged durable. And, you know, weve heard all the staves, and these things did not come true. Again, this was also thanks to somebody is up front. And there were a expectations that russian public would probably be so shaken aggrieved it as a result of the war that they were trying to get instead of the store. It is that the, the russian that leads uh would uh try to topple the leadership that there will be a view to news and we, i think we came close to mutiny a year ago. The answer was yes, were talking june 20th 3 of these things did happen. But uh, essentially, uh, russias been able to withstand all those pressures, although at the price i would say at the high price. And, uh, basically, uh, the, i think the, uh, the uh, the, the root cause of many of those, uh, short comedies, less sputtered. Lets put it that way. They tried to believe that it was the notion of that was widespread after, lets say there early, 2000 stuff. Theyll be no large scale wars in europe that russia should not be getting ready for a major war on the european theater. And, you know, that turned out to be false. Russia did fight to successfully in syria. Russia did take over crimea without the shot being fired. Excellent operations, theyd be sleeping, operation, caustics, done in, uh, january 22. But uh those were started that those were standing uh, uh, a g much. Okay. Well just as the war of attrition grinds on to what made the military on, lets say, certain russian eventual victory. Depending on whether theres a new cable beforehand and there on nato troops set aside from the british ones, actually stationed in the ukraine. If uh, if uh, trump wins as the polls show, he will. Uh, what will it mean . I know that i put in all the records that you prefer buying cable predictable. Uh. Is that more wiring for uh, well, peace or uh, or given lubbock dro ben said this week. And that money would stop flowing too. Was it lensky and cab . Would it actually make for peace, much quicker as well . We dont know what happens if crump lives, whether that victory will be accepted by a what some people called a deep state in the United States. Whether that victory would uh, from the us foreign policy, im to something totally unpredictable but the, but i would, anything may happen. You dont rule out anything in this, you know, at this point. So United States may indeed be much more unpredictable if, if that happens. Showcase has a point uh before a devil who knows to the situation under, under a Trump Presidency um in, but in any way, uh, the uh, the current escalation policy is pursued by the United States and uh, sometimes uh, with the initiative coming from americas european allies those uh, attempted escalation, including uh, the possibility of sending a regular flushes of nato countries to your crate. Actually, uh, pushing us closer and closer to the break. And im, im really stunned by what i think is totally unsinkable. Particularly the countries of europe pushing the situation toward something that can not be ready go lee, but actually obliterate several countries. And i have only im in perfect explanation to that phenomena dr. To me through trying to thank you and thats it for the show of continued condolences to those surviving will nature back was despite the russian and chinese votes of the you and to see 5 on monday well be talking garza, i mean, its the genocide with homer is rarely officer negotiator, now president of the us, middle east project, daniel levy until then keep in touch with la social media of assault cents, an annual country, and have to watch. I dont think ill be around tv on google chrome. Whats new and old episodes of going underground see monday, the one you ended up to attempt to collect at different extra a month. I thought she sat there for the show event. It will be a job to love for the cause of a dish. 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