Be sure to check out all to the calling for more in depth news. I will be back with this. Hopefully i would have to run the the the hello and welcome to cross stock. Were all things are considered 9 peter level. As the desk toll mounts and starvation occurs, the binding administration has made it clear repeatedly that there are no red lines for israel. No red lines means a green light to continue genocide, genocide is official washington policy, the cross hockey in palestine. Im joined by my guess, lionel in new york. Hes a legal and media analyst and had told we have jo lorio is the editor in chief of consort him news dot com and you know, soccer, we crossed to so like a hashi. He is a former deputy head of the office of the Un Human Rights Agency in occupied power slide. Alright, gentlemen, cross talk roles and effect. That means you can jump anytime you want. And i always appreciate, let me go to jo 1st here youre, im one of our premier media guys. I see that there is a real it version to the g word in american media. Now granted, ever since october 7th, weve seen more footage on mainstream american media. Nothing like other alternative media. Its very sanitized with big they said really uncomfortable, bernie sanders. Im really uncomfortable with that work. Why should they be uncomfortable with it . Thats what it is. I mean, if, if it isnt genocide, what is it . Dont have to be if theyre being honest with themselves, of course, thats what they would call it, but they arent even after the International Court of justice rule that its plausible that is just committing genocide. I mean, they have to report that, but in a way that the left a lot of doubt that its really genocide. I mean, you know, it when you see it, this is clear. We had 1st the shorter way of controlling news as the editor from using that word for a couple of weeks. And then it became so obvious that we we were using it because that is what it is. And of course, its protecting its cover for us politicians, which as you said in the opening, peter are green lighting this genocide and why are they doing that . Is the big question. Im really not sure except that this huge amounts of money that go to american politicians. And theres very little israel actually does for the United States, and its interest, aside from the aside from the actual driver, if we can call it that, of the american officials to continue their support bite and said, uh that is you cannot attack or offer because 1500000 refugees, theyre living out in the open, but thats my red line. But whatever, if they do it, no matter what, im with israel, i mean, its huge. Its absurd. Whats going on. And i will have to say his idea of a peer, which theyre starting to build is 1800. 00 foot. Im sorry about mile long cars way is a e will send a gold spent to get them elected because he knows that his own party is opposing his policy on. Gotcha. They want a ceasefire. 70 percent of democrats and im reaching paul. Want us to strike is losing this election so he wants to be able to continue to support the general. So making it look like hes doing something to help the people of causative. And no one should believe that at all for a moment. Yeah. Dropping, ready, made food and bomb simultaneously and get your head around that. So let me go to you and i want to go to towards your expertise, you know, occupied palestine. Well, whats the purpose of human rights and International Law now . I mean, its the west, the what likes to take credit for inventing it and, and, and shaming other countries into and forcing it with the west now is completely turned its back on it. So whats it worth . Yeah, well, im asking myself the same thing every day. Unfortunately, i kinda wonder what ive committed my entire career to but look, i mean, i think whats happening now is like you just said, i mean the double standards since the progress of the west when it comes to human rights and International Law in general. This has just been exposed, it is so blatantly so clearly that its just got unacceptable for the populace of not only not only for the populace of pretty much the entire world, but also for a lot of the governments outside of the west. You know, what its, i mean is just the, we just think of the ukraine for example. I mean, if you just read the western mainstream Corporate Media, you know, you get the sense that the entire world is together. You know, theyre lined up together with us against the russians, etc, etc. But when you look at a, your just look at a map of the world of the countries that are really, you know, imposing sanctions on russia. And its very few. It really is only the west and a couple of others. So, you know, its, its the, its the same kind of thing. You know, the, the hypocrisy and double standards are just so blatant and so obvious that the, you know, the people of the world are just sick of it. Theyve had enough. And you know, the social media and the other kind of the video clips and the pictures that weve seen coming from palestine. Visions expose everything even more. You know, its impossible now for a, for the United States, for the west to hide whats been going on. It really is just, it really is, its a sensual, its, its a, its a fit. I mean, its a terrible situation, a situation where really the whole, the whole idea of International Law, the whole idea of International Norms that everybody must provide bucks are really being put into question. And its, you know, its nobodys fault except the us is and the west. Absolutely right. You know, line on the, you know, were more or less on this program the same age. And, but its always been kind of intuitive, but particularly in the west than United States. The israels, and exception. And you know, they, theres a lot of great explanation for that. Just, you know, they are different. Okay. But they can be when the stakes are so high here, like, you know, i was thinking of gentlemen, if i were to use a new term, for example, instead of saying or, well, even just stop in double speak. It, we, we, we have this new speak which im trying to come up with the word. And as you know, peter on live from the 1st ball, which is here and in the west. But let me explain to you the, the intellectual kata, if you will. Thats done, especially on, on supposedly contributive news platforms and works like this and the guest your, somebody with a conscience or somebody who dares to say the g word. And i said he was follows. Number one, you recognize from us as a terrorist organization. Here we go to, do you recognize october . The 7th, as adair was that there were 3 does is we dont have the right to defend itself now, and thats it. And with that, hm, i mean all, i have a break fluid, but you respond with this, excuse me. Do you recognize this or do you believe this particular activity in the part of israel is genocide . Wait a minute and then you say hold it. You just cited the most people, most western folks will cite International Organizations to see how boss is terrorism. This is tara zach you once or this other, the fine. You said however, the i c j said this, the word say theres no that doesnt count. Yeah. So you pay the particular terms, and i will tell you, genocide is the word that many people here in the west. If not all, do not understand. Were not asking you to, to use your own version of what it is. Cattle, cars, holla, cause were, were to, it is a definitional operative word in a convention that is, be used as, as apartheid as is the quote i mean as but with lines with line or youre absolutely spot on, right . But even the words are the idea of genocide as well known it. I dont think we can dismiss that, but putting israel and genocide in the same sentence. Thats what bothers people, joe. You react to that. Okay. Yeah, of course. Of course. Good aside is wrong, but go ahead joe, as well the language the, the language is very clear in the Genocide Convention i while just refer to that it is about destroying in a home where in part thats an important part of this that, oh, you dont have to kill everyone, there are even a majority, a part of an actual ethical, racial, religious group and, or to make deliberately and so the Group Conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction. The whole approach. Its anybody that to see that thats whats happening cause or now theyre not watching. Why is it carved out because of the cost israel has since its founding in 1948, not only practiced slow motion genocide, certainly ethnic cleansing in order to establish the state. But it is had based on the guilt of the holocaust because the west did nothing to stop the whole cause to turn away ships of jewish refugees. There was a monster might have built their number one. There was an interest in perhaps having of europeans colony in our land, although the United States and looking after you already set down what kinks out on the ship and looked in the show as canal and made the deal that them us and saudi rabbits through live under which is oil for the us security guarantees to saudi arabia. So did they really need israel as a Aircraft Carrier there . As so many people say theres a hugh as a car . Thats questionable. But certainly israel has gotten away with murder. And now with genocide without really try and thats exactly what the american leaders ship a degree in congress but also by and are doing. And its really still a mystery to me. Why, why they couldnt not see, speak out and tell israel to stop despite and needs to pick up the phone. Stop that they would guarantee his election. Most likely, the Democratic Party in voters are going against him. They cant stand what theyre seeing, andrew said peter, before we started uh, there show that you, our humanity is being destroyed here. Like watching this. It is degrading everyones humanity and democrats to are seeing this. Now they are seeing young people are out on the street. They blocked the, were on the way to the capital for that state of the union address. And im quite broad, actually see American People protesting this. They are going to be aware of whats going on. Theres some heard that israel has on the american political leadership. It could only come down to the money that they give it its its, its called the, its called corruption. It says peer out now, corruption. So, i mean, another thing that has been revealed and all of this with the assault on gods, the genocide thats being committed is western racism because palestinians just dont rate you know, theyre not worth the victims. And when you put that into the context of the whole work nonsense in the western world, now everything starts to short circuit. So yeah, i mean look, the exist. Theres obviously no question about that. I mean policy is just dont tell palace the new lives. Dont count and, you know, palestinians have been the human eyes into less through the Corporate Media and through statements of the political lead, you know, over and over and over for decades. Now that you know people just, well, you know, you have a lot of people, thousands of people going out of the streets, demonstrating, and thats a really heartening sign. But certainly within the pull the core doors of power and most of the western countries, its just, you know, sugars and just people just shrugged their shoulders. And again, you know, its the double standards. I mean, even if we go back to the whole cost um, you know, look, the european powers had been committing genocide in the colonies, you know . Yeah. For, for your donkeys years up till that. I mean, the only reason this was like a really big deal was because it took place in your end because the victims sort of looked like us. Thats right. I mean, at the time you know, in many countries, jews, jewish people were not looked upon. We thought treated as white people, but so they look like us and there was a sort of sense of affinity or them being close to us. At least they were closer to us. Then you know, black africans or, or other people. So, you know, thats, thats, again, just goes to show the double standards, you know, again, im a, im an International Lawyer. Ive spent my entire career in International Law. But, you know, we have to remember that International Law has. Its not racist origins, but its always been applied in the races. All. So i have to jump in here gentlemen. I have to go to a hard stray care. And after that hard break, well continue our discussion of ours, lets say, with our case, the a good one. Yeah. That you attempted to collect at different extra a month. I thought she sat there for the show and then it will be a job to bluff because of a dish. Uh, international stuff is the template for supper, for the setup button, and not to mention it. I thought someone did you lose . It asked who i think. If i see the media, i know people, theres only 2 reasons to do. Say, when do you see the video camera in the service of the deals for the work . It stimulates the industry on. Is it . Whats money . Will file self reluctance, true story, and former shots might give us who we have good cash door to go or decision to my name. And what was that man . Was the ones that ridiculous funds i put in the what is the best one today and, but you know, so thats what it was actual to sell. I mean shows tools or suspect, pretty shock journals on page to refresh the screen. Those are best do what i mean. Theres a push out the welcome back to across up where all things are considered on peter la belcher manager, were discussing palestine the okay, lets go back to some of the soccer right before were into the break. We were talking about how the west is really revealed. Its a racism towards the world with by not reading a palestinians is where the victims continue please. Yes, but well, yes. Well, definitely and you know, i think so, you know, some of the other guests are talking about how is real is treated as treated special treated with kid gloves. And it really is amazing to me. Not only how in dc, but also in international for like the when, you know, israel is treated special, is it somehow there is this idea that we have to be really careful when were talking about israel. Because the only way were going to get them to do the right thing is if we show them that were not, you know, biased against them, that were not inherently against them. And that you have to treat them with kid gloves. And youve seen this with a lot of the statements that some you with agencies have been putting out since october. You know, im not through criticized against that particular person or the like, but it, some of the same is you that you have to go again. You know, treating god whats happening in gods a completely like a humanitarian issue and talking about, you know, dozens dying guys in starving to death, cousins you know. Ready dozens, being dozens being killed. Yes. But without the subject, like you have to. Yeah. Yeah. Pages to the very end. The finally find the word is real but is real, isnt the flick thing . Well it, it, yeah its, its always, its always, its 10 people died last night and god so we dont know how they died. We dont know who killed this, is there that theyre never given any kind of agency or description here. Lionel, its just another thing that has happened in spades since october 7th is by throwing around the a word anti semitism. And it doesnt really, it doesnt land the way it used to. It least the way ive been watching and now people dislike are, are struggling that off right now. Say well you, oh we, we had a, um you, we had a a guess one week who talked about metal fatigue. Uh, as i said, the term is been used for so often of and for so long that its brittle and it doesnt hold anymore in our country. We have races and we have Conspiracy Theory put an apologist. You name it. I remember one thing. You only get a label if youre what youre saying is correct, you only take flak when youre over the target. Yeah. If you have some spacious id and that has nothing to do with anything, nobody will give you the time of day. But if you hit on an or a by the way, the gentleman i think i, i love the way that we always talk about language and feel like my favorite term now is red line. I thought red line was red like stop sign red, red line. I think these emphasis like it to alex or something, you mean Something Else . It doesnt, it doesnt mean what it means. And also we have a lot of people. And again, remember my, you should have on my car on here view from the 1st ball. If i walked with you 2 times square right now, is it tell me the difference between judaism, jewish is real zionism designers. They will look at you and theyll say, i know theyre connected. And i know that i stay away from that. Its almost like, uh like a radioactive kryptonite. I just dont go there. And also this past week we had the Academy Awards. Theyre focusing in on a particular lapel pin or something which dealt with ceasefire or something. And again, even the left, the tray is its own by saying, there they go again. Excuse me, you are they, if they were to Say Something about some transgender appreciation, that will be fine. But all of a sudden, this, this way of thinking is despotic and lunacy. If they were to ever fear from the accepted reason to either stay away from the subject, dont bring it up or be very careful lest you, especially when by the way, views and is re lease and and are, are, are called anti semitic weight, which i think is the greatest of them all in terms of, of, of, of the ac a, you know, you know, a jo, what, you know, they, the, the powers that be the neo liberal order. They, they really liked to pick on the word populace. The populace left populace. Right, well i throw it right back at them. Theyre the authoritarian populace. You know what you, the line will just described it right there. And that is the poverty of the situation for a lot of us here is because language has been intentionally confusing. Okay. Vinyl already mentioned, you is real zionism, jews, okay, z as out, somehow theyre all connect, theyre all very different actually. Okay. And then we should be open about it, okay. And, and, and, and proclaim it. And this is what you know. So many people are hesitating to do that. Not yourself, not ourselves here, but there still that, that fear, but lives like a star with my question, the, the, the term anti semitism doesnt land the way it used to do, particularly when youre talking to american jews, European Jews that are against this genocide. Joe, thats the most extraordinary thing, maybe about this entire event that were going through is that its no longer tab moved to save the kinds of things you used to say. And i think more and more people understanding that theres a huge different train judaism and zionism. You dont have to be a jew to be a design. Is joe biden. A said themselves, but rich occasions. What does that tell you is i know them is a secular political movement. Its nothing to do. They at the old drug is that the designs are a think us, we think god gave them the promise land. So theyre using judaism in that way, but theyre not going by the values of judaism and many jews are saying that now i and if theres a Silver Lining in any others, its that its no longer temple to criticize with israels doing more and more people in the west are seeing that now im up here in south yorkshire, the good because of the collaboration of the miners strike a 40 years ago in art. The scarborough, the head of the mine is really gave a speech and he started with a 5 minute a track on israel for being genocidal and fascist and supporting the gardens. And these miners were on the bus all their lives since 40 years were standing and cheering. The people advert working people understand whats going on now. And israel cant hide behind that anymore. And i think politicians are going to start losing elections because of their support for general bit complicity with genocide, there are officials like lloyd austin going into a congressional hearing and put co pink. Is there him a judge side attack . This is extraordinary. Seems that were seeing here, they, if they have any conscience left, any of these was completed. They know that what theyre doing is the worst thing theyve ever done in their lives. Yes, i got a politically felt and yet they will move. They wont stop it by the pit, stop or from one way or another for millions of people. Genocide is on the ballot. If they like it or not, its there. Thats just, you know, thats, thats a game changer. Okay. Thats a people will not participate. So what is another thing, you know, its already been mentioned a little bit here, but you know, a design is, im is a nationalist. Whats s no nationalism . Its s no. Okay. I thought i thought the west didnt like that. I wasnt the isnt know nationalism wrong. Co it doesnt, its not wrong if its a new craner israel. Okay, we got our we got our ducks lined up here. Go ahead. So yeah, well like you say, i mean its just a double standards once again. I think good jo, the joke that you were thinking of it was that 70 percent of this really is dont believe in god, but you know, they do believe that god promised them pa this time. But yeah, i mean the, it, it is. Thats what is real, is its an f no credit project. Its a similar colonial project to that is based on genesis. The entire goal has always been from the get go, the stealing of palestinian land, the driving, the palestinians out from that land and, and you know, the colonization of that land. Thats all, thats always been very, very clear and stated very clearly by the, by, designers from the very early days to the current is really government, you know, at the time, late 19th century, this wasnt like dirty work. These werent dirty words, you know, colonization and, and, and like that. And no, they were had no racial though. They were aspirational words. Yes. Exactly. And they had no compunctions about sort of, you know, treating the, you know, describing the palestinians as basically savages that should be, that would be grateful for western civilization. And if they werent, well, wed just, you know, we killed them all, or we just try them out. That was the whole idea. So, you know, this is all really connected with western imperialism. And thats why, like you say, its not a bad thing. Its a bad thing if these really is do it, or if its the gradient sooner. If our allies do it, you know, then its perfectly fine you know, line or how is it in, in your environs . How is the Jewish Community responding to all of this . Here to talk about the divisions, talk about what the discourse and i, i certainly cant speak for them, but there is a, there is a kind of a kind of a tacit agreement without going too much into the specifics. If that makes any sense, you know, peter, whatever you want, i speak, we always go back to our generation and im going to throw a, a, were a name out for you that maybe were doing what you might know. She Little Feather. Now, during the Academy Awards one year way marlon, brando, i remember i remember. Yeah, she, right. Them are also Vanessa Redgrave and we spoke about zion is all right. But shy she a little further was this, by the way, towards out later, she might not have been a native american by the way, she showed up and she accepted or refused to be accepted because of the treatment of the native americans or the indians. And the hollywood was very sensitive, they didnt do anything, but they said, you know, youre right the way we portray native americans and they really cared about it. Okay. Jump to today. If says she and Little Feather had come out, if she had the wrong lapel button button. So basically the same thing and dont forget, we are the only country in the world that came here and thought that we discovered a country that was already inhabited. Other people, this is the era good. So we, we are very, very topical we, we love, were very savage with our sensibilities. We recognize here this is terrible. But when it comes to this particular thing, let me just give you this very simple statement. The middle east in particular, and this is real and palace and youre something that americans dont understand. They are in a fight for their lives. And we just had best kind of stay out, support them and go on with their other things because they know best. And lets just, we have an election coming up and nothing to see here. Children move on like yet, but the problem, but the problem leveling key. Yes. The oh and miss a little further. She that she ended up in playboy magazine. I didnt really member of the issue, but i do not even to use. I still remember. Okay, joe, its good that we talk about genocide make people feel on comfortable about the word. And thats how and thats why im very forceful in using and youve got to react. You cannot be in different joe. You know, you cant, this is a referendum on who you are as a human being basically how you see this event let alone the politicians. You know, theyre about native americans have entity, perfect parallel or whats going on in palestine right now. Its been going on since the 19 thirtys, but certainly since 1948, the gradual destruction of a people and the stealing of the land is exactly what happened in the United States. They were people already living there. Even if, even if its rarely say there was no one there, there was a thriving culture there. And this parallel is perfect to understand, which is probably why american leaders who brought acknowledge it was a genocide of native americans are supporting this genocide is a true genocide. And the 2 countries that a picture of participating them are joining together in a way that again, i dont fully understand why, but theyre gonna pay a price as theyre continuously seeing that this, that they are support. As of clearly a genocide i expect i c j will eventually will that this was a genocide, but it will be too late, of course, because it will be done. But im going to be of the statements have been made about the possibility of it that sticks. And that has a store of gentlemen. Weve run out of time on a think, my guess in new york at build and, and or soccer. And i want to thank our viewers for watching the csr to see you next time. Remember, cross talk with the to possess your country. 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