Millers and thats great to talk to thank you very much for being available. Happy to be with you. Thank you. Now youve written before the professionally base, you have had 3 different lives being born and raised in soviet era. Estonia then moving to moscow to get to your doctorate in law and then moving all the way to kings college, london and teaching there for quite some time. And that gives you a very inverse of tile exposure to various uh, systems through various ideologies. And what i find very interesting is that unlike many other public intellectuals of your generation, you are open about uh oh, im accepting about a parts of your professional life, isnt it . Im safe, at least in the west to be, you know, so open about your connections, historical connections with russia. I have benefited from it professionally showed slave because i have at least 3 different viewpoints from which to all the world as towing in a small country, one a well was pro top and then a rough shop. When i went to rush, i was taken to the army, i didnt, uh, it was the soviet union, the soviet union in moscow, i was on the actually a very good one. If i jump up, even aj, stayed in boston code to come there. And when i finished my country, i went to moscow university. I graduated from the law department. I was link wish to get past that interesting size or as well you went all the way to as one point serve as a, as an advisor to the president of the you. Yeah. So yes, it was at the end of the 1980s where i picked the beginning of the 1996. Exactly. And then i went back to his tonja being the 1st deputy, 40 minutes down for a while for 40 minutes to even. And on the, when the i watching while i get to the little fick, im the weeks as a centennial profess so that lets see. I went to a lot of them and the states that have have for my wallet with sprint too. Yes, i taught. No, thats a period offer a very cosmopolitan life, which many of us experienced has and it a couple of years ago. But i know that in 2019 before it actually ended, you received the order of friendship from the hands of none other than vladimir put in. And im sure uh that kind of association may have cost to some personal or professional relationship and certainly isnt. Must have become a liability after yes, i said 2020 to the dispatch of my life to in the, to ask you in me a lot profession release to see the world from different colors. But yes, i asked the lost friends a lot of this way and it is not easy even in their family with my sons, sometimes we have cool it, pull it up in the video. Ok. Ok, do they ok. We have different. I have your we have friendly of course, but i have lost a bad because of a so i have my now all tail of friendship. For example, i always specially because i am not condemning ah, once height is lea a bad option . The innovation over the, youre not the embracing. If youre progressing now, youve been pretty critical of some rushes actions, which i hope we can talk about. But before that, i know that when you receive the order, you said that International Law, which is your main professional subject International Law, as we know it could not exist without the russian. Ironically, 40 years later its validity, its enforceability is indeed being called into question. Do you think international, more as a universally accepted and upheld set of norms . Does it still work . It does it even though i believe International Lawyers, new booley crises, batteries, with crises. The every domain of International Relations have Domestic Affairs as well. But International Law has called laps, hopefully for a while by the task, because International Law and a jordan, this short presentation, when i was doing this, i want to also that why after, because International Law has been based on the balance of power by himself, interest by the power a special live, but this balance of power the said p out in the world into 19 ninetys. So there was no a one to balance the American Power there was within is also the engine. So thank you by chance, all for a kind of the world to removed from the warm center. It is now called the Available SpaceInternational Water interest. Yeah, yeah. So essentially this phrase conceptualized what was in the works for some time, even before that because i think its mostly divided administration that is using its very actively they never ever use International Law anymore. No, no. Oh, you know, its pushing into a night and ninetys when the these interventions of move to western countries in africa in latin america. Sometimes they by little full, sometimes they were a little full for i. So it was in 1999 when a nate to embody the so itd be over the cost of, of then, uh after they faced is interesting that after a they to, i will. Then there was a International Commission on for the stuff that you know, of the United Nation created and they phone date. So you to interesting a that the war was you lee ago, but really cheap to me. So this was such a clear, a reference that the whole something is prohibited by International Law throughout higher videos like clipping over and news, which can be protected even in case the International Law. International law set aside many uh, also uh, instances like the creation of international with premium, the have quotes um the at which or if they wear you fixed. If im looking pos, so this quote i have been if there were also a, i will come on. But i missed a reference number, theres a impartiality presupposes equality, i mean, and if for suppose is that the law, i mean, i think thats the basis of the very poor definition of the old, is that what makes it hello is that it gets applied to everybody when its applied selectively, can you claim that its still law . It disappeared all most. But during the these 19 ninetys, im going to your dock a war and of 2003, which lots are all sold, lee code, and a by the way, it is interesting guy. Im leaving him the u. K. And the Legal Profession has been all the ways very uh, just pick the, the posho and the International Lawyers into, for you in the office and gave them the assessment of, uh, this uh, integration of your all control phone street. And they all declared that it was a leak, but now things have become different even in the country with their own. The flow boss really respected, whether the whole point of difference very often teams respect international. You mention many wars that the west initiated and fox. So theoretically speaking, uh, people in the west know that were exist. Why do you seeing there so much unnerved by this conflict with the russian because they have been exposed towards before to conflicts before . Yeah, if you this so that maybe not really a very good question to it is the most important question. Why such a different reaction . For example, what the, the iraq innovation of telephone, the 3 of us called a shop count or a better each and a. So there was no shopkins or in europe, there was a disrupt and, or in the yeah, yeah i, yes, i have to put on boardman. And so on all of a ive mentioned dollars right the there will mean, i guess, to be out so high of boardman had no food from the crone, though in the rock which was a bit different, but all started with High Altitude of boardman. I dont think that it is only because it is in europe and they are full of total cost. A close of it is also that somebody has said, chinese, the power of the United States and collect the file west, and they have full ease on that except about so really on the author attending. Shes where my and the ones that now we do so as i see already is a challenge. And i believe they are for the very end up proper. Com diabetes. Or of course, the fact that, you know, in other similarities with the soviet union, perhaps. Now professor millers and we have no propaganda, but we have to take a very short break right now. We will be back in just a few moments. Stay tuned. The or the, the, [000 00 00;00] the theres no end in sight over how youre going to continue to destroy the earth is the case for the madness of the people. I tried to go to the gym, but im certainly not ready to fight russia. This is also a pursuit, this is 3rd world lunacy re washing press for so the funder line likes to say we have the tools while we just start with stability and business deals to living on mac. We have very close propaganda. You know a price here in new york. I think we dont know the aftermath any time that youre not allowed to ask questions, you should ask all of the questions. Some more questions ask a better. The answer is will be the inspection was a parts, vis rain miller. Some of the tests are meritus. Tell him University Professor mallerson, and when you were received it and receiving that order of friendship from the hands of the larger me. Unfortunately, you also said that that period is in history of the unit polarity, of the United States, a pointing itself as the indispensable nation was a fairly anomalous and temporary phenomenon in the history of International Relations. But the americans are clearly not giving it up without a fight. And i want to ask you how far do you think the current confrontation between the west on the one hand and russia possibly china, possibly some other uh, uh, disagreeing countries. How far do you think it may go . I believe it will code a white default, and a, it is a tendency which will continue for decades, at least, and maybe even longer. But i, who, and even of this is, i hope, i hope so that to the ext uh, face of confront, based on the special in ukraine will. Uh and what the new york georgia with kind of ceasefire and may compromises. But, but uh, i the new world order if it the purchase or some kind of force or humanities, of course. Uh, i dont think that it will be, uh, this uh, uh, world where that there will be a peace between all the countries and there was no was there, but there will be, in my opinion a, they collect the west, the about the list and then the race to like get out. Ive tried china either on eating the african a countries who are not to follow english to collective what. So i said, i dont want to send the full boss very think distinguish a big dish, a diplomat, and i couldnt make funeral that no power who has had an opportunity to come in late as failed to go mean neighbors. You may be one of the items of or so for International Relations of geopolitics. They have for up, it is, has been natural, probably of that to the right of states wants to continue to tell me they thought. And there was, this would be somebody who brings to sensory, so they said i should but follow up because whats at you setting up a ration i believe and the increased beach i you also mentioned is that when the pizza go mean a did to the well it was not the who will but what, what the he said now if there is only one impact of a pow wow one center which wants to terminate this, isnt that based on the best . Never being. Uh, so with that some, but do you have a quote have to meet agencies that will uh, whats the will of these drill and them are you guys dont, im not even happy to put them in a but also they want everybody to be at become like im or you can still have the same value of 17 both not only the interest, but the value is for the professional movers. And for that to happen, you know, a nation has to have enough resources because domination is not just brings you not only advantages, its a huge liability. And one of the reasons why the here ceasar didnt leave so long as its wanted. It was because its simply couldnt deal with all the mounting domestic and external pressures. Oh, do you think that is this thing that this is something that the west takes into account that it simply doesnt have the capacity neither mental nor Financial Capacity to impose its well either through military or force or through soft power on the rest of the world because its kind of imagine somebody, uh, even if they were in the american washington talking like, you know, oh, but they say the system is lucky for you, just counting on what you like. And then the, the to be elected. You have to maybe, you know, america, yes, they will. They may come to census because of they have overstretched, the but now i at the left. Okay. Just on a recently, yes. Having 20 or 20 as a lower the government is about to shut down because they dont. Yeah, they cannot pass the back up. But yes, but they can still the, because of having got all aspects of culture and see if they use guns to exploit to other countries. Uh, uh, both sanctions, i guys, they, they own allies in europe even. So they come to via probably, but for how long could come they so i dont know, maybe they also of probably its a soviet union call up because of different know the one that these overstretch and have dentist on it and so on. But about 5 to they cannot make system was wrong, the new fact doing for and also there was so many different be a nation. So i have a warranty to have the independence of. So well say, and by the way, we have the same phenomena among the american norman, the American Allies because you have so dear randy, you have turkey or have a number of other countries on not striking out directly against the United States, but quite often go against the american, the wishes, especially, lets say the saudis will have the resources that we can, our pretty, you know, im the freedom. Oh, i do look there for the you. Every, especially in africa. Uh, in uh, from separate guys. Uh, the french uh, uh, globally, that they uh, use this opportunity that the of that ill try is fighting for it seemed dependent to a place in the world. So they all so full lloyd, this is probably very dangerous for him to play the fuel thing. And i did states, and the you are leaders in from like, my crow on these very much water with the, about the, the, i dont see you that you with call up soon as the so like lets just a little bit junior on but, but maybe her in the future, they also a tried to lead me to the patients in the nation of the world. They, i try, you know, to have allies in the you said they have, but also, you know, a sounds like a china. This is the most uh, maybe uh, important concern uh for them. Are you there boy, as ukraine has and deflect, if they had been some slight play. Have from me a very focus on that for a, for a, for a moment because you, you need to call a restless military operation and youre creating a possible geo political miscalculation. But when it comes to international affairs, i think it puts many countries in the position when they have to choose fairly carefully and you know, way, the american pressure or pressure on one hand and their own resources that own trade ties that own. Do political, a policies on the other hand than many are choosing looks 1000000 dependent causes. But at times that is far more independent than it was a year and a half ago. Wouldnt be fair to say that a cynical is it is because of the loss of life on both sides, that multiple arrow to you is actually being held by the russian operation in ukraine. Yeah. The american pressure. Yeah. When i say that this may be right with you a politic of the split the nation 1st of all of cause it does have pressure at the bus. And im friendship because, you know, i, i havent lived in that after i visited your creating the, and many times. All so i have friends into upgrade. And therefore i didnt believe that the, they have more about the stock between the ukraine. Them. Why dont you believe . I mean, look, its a very interesting question. Not, not. I wasnt believed. Im also i have the last name, but shouldnt we allow for that possibility the, for the you certainly. Exactly. So because in my article in 2014 ukraine, we do both geopolitics, published in China Military and is generally the International Lloyd and widely quote deep uh, now of. So they, uh, it was too warm that like could, they will between as georgia and the restaurant, they may be, i will between the ukraine and at our shop. So it was professional approach. And i, i might be a voting the box, the carter and c. I a deal direct that who a he and his last book it a he read you as a produces a, hes a email is still going, police are price where he was that acceptance of for ukraine, georgia to nate will may lead to in the, um, conflicts so g 4 seats, uh at these and i would say uh, one higher level as tony and pollution a i dont, im not naming case and how, what if i have but so we have the conversations recently and he told me that he had told you my due for a tooth on that 49 to look the 191420142 the american on by southern this tonja that nato membership for ukraine would be a ramp line, which would allow the many shes happy leave a vis a storage implementations id. Believe because she mainly we didnt want to, we add a where engine as i do now, are you professionally . She a simple edition, i as an academic and also practitioner of International Low to east west for see about that it may be happened as a so and, but it was told that as human beings who we didnt want to accept or yeah, of course, because as you saw thats a huge, huge tragedy now. Um professor millers and in my production i reference Mikhail Gorbachev to whom you sir served as an advisor on International Law. At the time when he was, i think, the 1st and only president of the ussr, and he was a strong believer in peace. But he defined it as not unity in similarity, but the unity in diversity in the comparison and conciliation of differences. Do you think that kind of piece is still feasible between the rush and the west and a saw . What would that require looked into in your future . I dont foresee things have come to the file and it is not only a julio bluish, but not a company. Which takes you pro, back on the, as it is now with the monetization of the any me as an authorized human being get actual exactly what we saw on the, in the run up to the 2nd whole year by the way. Yeah. And that they, they are for, it is very difficult uh to change them right. And then said, okay, yeah, weve been wrong. And oh yeah, oh we ref return to this drawing board to i of the night to the movie and i just have to go there. I mean like its hard to come back to the original point to business as usual. But do you think its possible that both russian to west, the real estate will say its very dangerous where we are, is very dangerous. Can we just stop here . No, go back, but stop where we are. The 1st of all, it is necessary to have at least a ceasefire in ukraine and to talk to start talking, maybe talk cycle we can go on at certain level. So i hope that has very some information on that that have them or he comes down production. So i talking to each other about to even then if for this bill in half and, and have a kind of compromise a is a phone a then of such a peaceful, a world europe from a foot board, you go to flight, do us talk . Well i, i dont think that a piece for that and then the food and i shall also has done to the ease of this mean so that the, the, so a come on your up in home, which of we check all by show for spoke uh then it is not possible into yardage georgia, im not saying why, but maybe in the many to at decade see it would be possible hopefully. But i as a my last article i say that was, has changed a lot since the pull up in the eastern boy and, and was between boucher and at greece then. But i really had a full, full key this week to see that is to the pull up in eton boy and author, and im the books for recently original. And now this conflict, many things the same that acknowledge it has changed the oh that thats true of what people think as a tv and a thought to when they impose to that they have not have used the, the creek, city states and so on. Things havent changed, the human nature doesnt change, at least in the aspect of every nation and diversity with being and desires, dignity and respect from others. And thats, i guess the main precondition for any lasting peace. We have to leave it there and, but thats been great talking to you. Thank you very much for that. Thank you for the interesting conversation and thank you for watching close to sir. Again, it was a part of the the need for monday and getting back to the stuff. Im either going to use the fixture or take garcia about that 100. No, thats in front of hunger. Lied to you on this, this guy. Familiar . Ok, now i need the new unit. Cool. Get you started with us. Us to do size is sick and one on us. Shes on by. Thatd be lot more. 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