Its great to be back with you. Its actually its, i tried to do what we are witnessing right now, and there are no words that can explain the human suffering in front of everyones eyes with regards to saudi arabia. Definitely this how it is, and during this year alone, and before this goes, conflict initiated 21. 00 strong statements against the practices of the far right government of israel. They condemned, accelerate the illegal index stations. Going to extend the west bank the, the back, the idea of kicking out some families from their homes, the publications against the whole, the stomach sides and the killing of more than 200 palestinians. And that was back. So, so, and i was just before because i just this year and they explicitly the government, im sorry for the explicitly said that these practices with exploding the situation and endangered the piece process, which we are unfortunately witnessing right now. And, and as for the current uh, saturday position, decide you official position right now with regards to that because the situation is primarily focusing a lot on the importance of the escalation of having a humanitarian assistance access and condemning and condemning the killing of civilians from all sides and the complete projection of the force displayed the displacement uh plan of civilians and also definitely condemning the occupation and the 2 states and tend to mention that the 2 state solution is the only way for peace. Why does it, why does this is a lift aids . 2 guys are given obviously the impossibility of the raffle crossing. Yeah. Heres the thing. The saudis, under adoptions under the thing, is how old voiced the concern about the idea of not having access to the humanitarian and the saudis have made it very clear along with the edge of sense. And the thing is that they would be bringing 8 to, to, to, to, to, to got so, but how can you bring a to does a since you are bombarding even even the, the, the place where you actually want to, to, to box. But right now we have seen how the saudis have pushed americans. Specifically, when secretary blinking came 3, all, they made it very clear that you have to, its actually a pity thats we are trying our best to convince the americans to have access to humanitarian 8. Its really a pity and its going to be as painful in the u. S. A parts definitely weve seen recently that they have lowered their, their status right now. They, the americans are actually more open with the idea of, of giving that data to, to, to the listing. And so thats a good development. But its unfortunate that that came after a strong push from reality and kind of, i mean, you worked at at washington, you know how the americans think . I know that one state Department Official has already resigned from blinking state department george pool director of the Political Military Affairs at the state department resigned with his bite and guides and strategy. Why do you think they voted against a cease fire during an ongoing conflict where a 1000000 children are at risk of dying, of being killed . Whats your understanding of, i mean, did as lots of people been killed yet . Yeah, i suppose that no one can deny the fact that the current to us Foreign Policy is literally a disaster. Its most one impulses not on strategies. Its is reactive, and thats proactive. And, and as i said earlier, who have been mentioned to us to be reluctant to allowing access, im pretty monitoring a to be saved and boom, bought the posting and children and what all right, sorry. You have monitored the savvy us relations for years, maybe decades. Have you ever seen anything like this kind of behavior from washington in public . It is actually very interesting and surprising for the fact that the american democrats, they were the ones who claim to be champ, tuning the students, and they were the ones who were trying to solve the issue with the 2 state solution. But when they came to test, we saw how they were completely biased. And this is very, very unfortunate and history will not forget these actions because were not speaking off of more as we are speaking of civilians we are speaking of women and children. We have one that 4000 people got killed by this brutal bombardment of the i b s. Its very, very, very sad when we are with this thing right now. But lets keep the whole pipe. The americans are right now trying to rectify their trajectory by looking at things and naming things by their names. Because thats going to be a big pain for us Foreign Policy forever. If they have really allowed this apartment to continue without having real access to humanitarian aid, you see some watching this program across the arab world in the islamic world may be wondering why you have any hopes left about this uh, the japanese own financial times. Uh this quoting and um, named a g 7 diplomat thing, we have definitely lost the battle in the global south of to be a support for residents. Can ukraine the proxy war in russia, and now the absolute military support for nothing. Yahoo tequila, lease palestinian civilians. Why do you have these hopes still . Im having hope because i believe in humanity at the end of the day. Definitely, as i said earlier, the us Foreign Policy is a disaster. But that doesnt mean that these people who hold these policies are humans. They are humans and they need to come back to their mind and to see things and to call things by their names. And its an absolute reductionism. If we only look at the 7th of october and talk about it without talking about the root cause of the 7 decades long conflict, and then well put it this way. The 7th of october plus 70 years occupation. And in other words, the rise of come us is an is right, you the responsibility, its an option. Let me tell you of here on the bar rock in the form of lift that was already the prime minister, even brock. He was, he, he was once asked a what wed do if he was a policy and in doing anything you always term, you know what he exactly said. But he said he was a senior citizen. Im there and its in the i was term he would go enjoying that Service Group to fight back and im not making things up now people can watch my interview with that would be rock and he walked out in my interview and i explained to him that he a well, they with the midwives all from us after all as, as we remember. But rather than your hopes of any kind of sense coming out of washington. Do you dont think that the conference in b s and others have different hopes that there is a new world now emerging devoid of the declining power of the United States live in west and europes and presumably that was discussed when urgently pads in the middle of the night the runs foreign minister and say maam, here at the lion flew to jet or i think of just off of the hospital atrocity. Ive never seen anything like it myself since covering this from the middle east during the 2nd intifada. Isnt i mean, what did you make of the fact that runs foreign minister flew in for this extraordinary meeting this week of the is that you always reference . Yeah. With the regards to iran, as you know, that we have had this kind of normalization doesnt mean that we have result of the issues we have with them. Definitely, there are a lot of issues at stake and the, you know, one washington thought drove when they saw this happening. You know what happened in blinking said itd be mostly, most of the problematic angle of that was because of the bulk or the broker was china. And for the americans, they are super sensitive with regards to anything related to china. Having diplomatic, strong relations tend to be a broker in both piece in and can be seen as a pace maker in the middle east or anywhere else. So we understand that. But at the end of the day, we are going to take our decisions by ourselves to find a way through which we can actually, the price point of them is at least into atlanta for opportunity rather than blood shit. And that does that mean we . Saudis will be incompletes agreement for the iranians. I dont think so. I dont think thats gonna even happen at any time soon, but we are trying to figure out a way through which we can actually coexist and to reduce the attention as much as yeah, i wasnt even talking about the sensitivities of a bricks in china that order on really because is it true and i do understand that it was true that the crown prince, mom had been someone just kept blinking waiting when he was flying everywhere trying to presumably make terribly to support the alleged genocide and gaza. I did it keeping wasted. So much thank you for ser, thank you so much for mentioning the word genocide because thats the way it should be described. And the fact that the, the saudis have been very vocal and its very easy to tell that they are very disturbed with the way that us handled the whole thing. Actually remember and is really historian and a holocaust score. The russ sigo, he said a couple of days ago, a couple of days ago, he said that whats going on right now in goza is a textbook case of genocide, a textbook case of to. And so i think some is really is labeled him as so facing joe. And if thats the case, then what about the remarks of the defense minister is wrote when he called governance as human animals. After saying that, they definitely decided to construct for us that the water food, a fuel from guns, which has over 2000000 people, half of them are children. So some may argue that the only men come us, which is not through humans everyone. But lets for the sake of argument, give them the benefit of the doubt and then and consider what theyve said to be quality. Talking about trust. Then what about the president of israels remarks when he said that . Because then as citizens are also responsible because they didnt take how much out in directly he is indicating that all civilians are legitimate targets. So may also argue ill go think the method and without that he said its out of anger and he didnt mean it. Then thats also give them the benefit of the doubt. And what about the spokesperson of the i b f. When he said, we focus on destruction and not the accuracy for the sake of argument. Lets also give them the benefit of the dallas because they are angry right now. So what about the freaking i b s. Actions for got sick all over the top, over 4000. The civilians got killed. Half of them are children. Like, what can we make about that . What can we, what can we say about that . 100 children gets killed every day. There is nothing more despicable. Do you think that was what was behind the crime . Pretty nice to cover for such as, obviously this couldnt have happened, but this couldnt have happened without us military fund. Then there is really government relies on the us. So is that why the crown prince, mom had been selma that kept blinking, waiting and well, i mean, over reason monthly is the look. I dont have a problem with the idea of then americans funding, but as regularly with knowing that that is where it is when and have actually existed without the american supports. Even during the past tours. But at the end of the day, we want rio peace between israel and arbel. And you cannot achieve that. Its so Wishful Thinking to achieve that without draining the swamp of terrorism, which early can happen through the 2 state solution. Because the only way to defuse and to remove militant group is to accept the fact that they are humans, human beings, besides, you will have been there and you have picked them from their houses on a different theyre absolutely the right and we are not speaking of what the palestinians, pink, or what are the things or what questions think im speaking of the Security Council, the thing i didnt mention im speaking of the International Community. Every one to say is that is right as an occupier. So where are the International Laws . So my problem with the United States right now is that how come you are the one who owns always talk about in the International Laws and how to abide by the rules. And when it comes to this specific issue, you only say, oh, its complicated locust, some would say on many issues though, some of that, im sorry ill, ill stop you the more from the middle east, most influential political pundits in 2021. According to our muse, after this break, the the, the welcome back to going underground. Im still here with someone else. Im sorry, the middle east, the most influential political pundits in 2021 according to our news. So im on just before we went to the break, you were talking about the 2 states. Ill get home to that, maybe in a 2nd. But, you know, in nature, nation propaganda media, they were talking about normalization between your kingdom of saudi arabia and israel, seen by the International Community as committing war crimes at the moment. I mean, how can there even be any mutual defense treaty as was being discussed by saturday authorities and israel in september, we will what there was a mutual defense treaty with the United States as part of normalization, with his ro is that all bitten the dusk. Now its over, i would say i would say it was never ever even talk about the possibility of normalization of the current time. If that is res, wanted to commit to more or less occurs and go. So thats my personal opinion. I mean, types of to my own opinion, look option i am known for being pro american was or should i wait for . So im, ive been an advocate for saudi is really a normalization for so long. And i still believe that its the way it should be, because at the end of the day, we need to all or exist with each other. And ive also written an article in 2016 of the how that talks about the possibility of a 0 to be part of the big vision 2030 plan of february be by having exchange by having economic and commerce, etc. But once we are seeing and witnessing right now is unfortunately, is making things not almost hard, but almost impossible. So so, so there must be some ways through which this escalation as top otherwise its going to be Wishful Thinking to have the idea of having started way be because that and thats how it is, have repeatedly said that the palestinians need to have a decent life the palestinians writes the 2 state solution to our peace initiative. Weve been talking about this for so long. And i said earlier, i would say its a game we believe incomplete in the complete integration of as right in the middle east. That cannot happen while you are depriving the rights of the palestinians of having so determination to have basically the 2 state solution. What is the solution which i know is supported by russia, china only do emerging superpowers of this century. Have you some might say that the way that the palestine is being cut to ribbons in recent years makes that just the talking points. They need to have one statement is random palestinians. All living together in a country called palestine is realism. Thank you. Must have heard that argument before the 2 state solution is actually a chat. And as regards your piece in the hill, what makes now so different to what happened to the palestinian women and children and civilians in 20 or 6200820102011. 20142018. 20. 192021. In gauze we saw the slaughter. There was a different. Yeah. And i would like to say that dont look for my answers. Dont look for the answers of palestinians or ups looks from look for the answers from whether it is really is on know for a fact that Israel Security will never ever be achieved without giving the palestinians their internationally recognized rights and couple of them as of information and ending the occupation. This is 101 in political and security studies. Another important thing to mention is that since the talk has always been about how most in a way that would somehow sidelined id of the west bank and side line, the grievances of posting is inside line the, the 160 children. Thats how are in prison is right right now. Below 12 years old. Lets not forget the time us has always been secretly chair and why that is really secure with the upper office. Why . Because they were happy to see posts and use divide, that they play the role in that device. According to the former us senate for one poll, that is really played a short side of game by supporting this device. Thinking differently that this public opinion, a device called is more benefits for them and that, that will, that make the 2 state solution to evaporates. And they didnt know that it was backfire at them at the scale. So if there is one thing i would like to say, or like an advice to the israelis, theres one advice always give to is what it is it would be, dont you ever use your parent outrage on anger . And the temporary global popular supports or the western popular supports to lose your minds and wreak havoc and commits more massacres. This will result in more strategic losses. For israel, its time to reflect an act responsibly and to weigh your options logically, not emotionally. The lives of both innocent people should be saved, disregarding their estimates, the keys and religions of the idea of a scorched best policy with backfire. I to greatly and as we know, 4 out of pipe is really is thinking its in the whole was the issue according to apple conducted by an israeli university. And lastly, the train of peace. Since you asked earlier about normalization. I think the train of peace in the middle east has a temporary stop only. Okay, im trying to be optimistic here. How does the temper, his top only need some kind of maintenance, but i would say to those really is dont blow up to the train altogether. The train of fees needs to go forward. So as road can be integrated in the middle east in the right way you can not the private posting is a right to p, o. Like or the, the, the legitimate government of, of, of palestine has been extending the olive branch and a fort for the last 30 years since they committed themselves to men. Violets is really is picked thats, thats really is pickets. Oh, absolutely. Thats how much i wish it was true, and thats why thats why i say, yeah, but thats why i say, how much on the far right government to visit, right. I would say its our 2 sides of the same coin. How much wants to eliminate as or as a government altogether is right, it wants to eliminate senior states altogether. So where is the difference . Thats the, thats were which of course the, is there any government say that not blowing up any trains that just uh, doing exactly what they should be doing. Thats what is real keeps saying. And as for many people that we can see behind the 2 guys in ramallah, they would say the about a City Authority has done the job of dividing bellas indians as the popularity of resistance groups has boomed in recent decades at the failure of the as you call it into just a minute to, i should say, on the elected government in ramallah. Okay. If lots of people in saudi arabia thinking like you are, and people in the government, saudi arabia, maybe. What do you expect from the United States in terms of opposition to the saudi position at already with starting to see the weaponized ation of human rights, which im sure youre very familiar with in nato nation propaganda media. But they also have warships in gaza that theyre deploying all these troops just and theyve clearly said its not against the guys or government. Theyre doing this for a inside the ravia prepared to be threatened as the United States, some people say declining and acting like a dying animal is its empire. Declines. Is saudi arabia prepared for what we us has in store for saudi arabia, if it continues to disobey orders. Heres the thing. I cant speak of the saudi government. Sure. What i can say is the following, that are we upsets of the way that us handled the whole thing . Absolutely, yes. Are we upset of that . Of genocide and murderous by the s. Right . Oh absolutely. Yes. Are we trying our best to get the world to get back to with sensors . Yes, we are trying to do so how things will develop. I dont know, but based on the reports, with regards to the u. S. A deployment, i think the us with lots of gets into the, the missy situation and right now, but they are there just to deter hezbollah and then youre on in general. So its just mostly like a symbolic kind of a get away with it or but wait a minute. So in recent years, what we seen in saudi arabia refusing the Abraham Accords as a signed, they do a deal through china with iran. They do a deal with syria, they refused to increase the Oil Production as big as they were told by joe biden. I mean, how many things do you think that youre able to can do against what the u. S. Cs is, its interest presumably that, and the, obviously hes against is, are of interest without some kind of action from nato nations. Against that he already decided you read because really, this did not simple. The United States, v drawing of the ceasefire. Un Security Council resolution this way. Yeah, i think we should not go to have this kind of fiber bullet kind of expectations that things will go completely to the pictures on tv screens are more than i will like someone say no, no im, im speaking about so do us relations. Im not speaking about the situation and goes in politics, you need to work with your partners. Lets not forget the United States is i will always remain our strongest security partner. We should not just sidelined that. Does that mean we are incomplete, incomplete agreement with the way they conduct their policies . Absolutely not. But what im hoping to see, and i think that would happen, that the us will somehow rectify its trajectory and get back to its sensors and to deal with the situation without having this kind of biased position. Thats actually the humanize the palestinians because at the end of the day, but as the, the us doesnt want to be in confrontation with the whole month to month. Its nothing thats the best interest. Its not in the best interest of the policy makers of the United States, because at the end of the day, you dont want to repeat the same mistakes that you have done through invading iraq and afghanistan. And the us as to a thinking and contemplating about all the consequences, consequences that happened at through that time. So i think the United States is trying its best right now to show to the israelis that we are on your side. But at the same time, i almost, i would say, believe that the us will pick this time and push the israelis to find a ways to which they can initiate or to reactivate the piece a talk with regards to it. Well, just finding a briefly, you expect saudi arabia to continue forging good relationships with moscow and badging as a valid enemies of the United States government and Security Services according to what we have from washington. So that youre able continue to be good friends of china and russia. Absolutely, sorry. There is a friend with any nation super powers or like medium sized countries or whatever. So right. Be a, has the absolute sovereignty to multiply its relations with everyone. And the russian government has been active through the Security Council to draft resolutions to basically ask for the escalation and opening access to the military and support. So unfortunately thats was rejected by the us, but you can for us, this will, as i said, well, well, well have us paying on the 3 countries. Im more of history. But does that mean were going to be on one side against the other . I dont think so because thats not the the way started. Maybe i conducted to business that every day is there to be a stabilizer to be in the middle and to not take sides when it comes to this kind of superpower kind of a struggle. At the end of the day, the russians, we are continuing our relations with them. The same goal is with the chinese. We have big a project. Thats our hands of us. So definitely, i think the saudis, we should look think for a 2nd. The facilities will be in a position to take a sites in this kind of multi polar war that is actually on the right. So, and right now, more than any time after seeing the u. S. Position with regards to does that right now more than a time, we can see the benefits of multi polarity rather than that, you any priority that has, that has been led by the United States. So im an island, sorry, thank you. Thank. Thats it for the show will be back on monday, which will im inside the petroleum minister, senior advisor, doctor mom, and else up on who claims the latest nature, a nation war crimes from gaza to ukraine. Signal the end of a washington dominated world until then keep in touch, why will i social media or if its not the sense that in your country and had to channel going underground tv and rumbled up, come to a new and old episodes of going underground c im under the the International Law has come home, not hopefully for a while, but the task International Law has been based on the balance of power. And so if the interest power weighs specially this balance of power, the said be out in the world into 19 nineties. 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