The im action or time seeing welcome back to going underground bulk of single around the world from the united that remember its well before tuesdays Christian Hospital atrocity and gaza, the shop the well that was the russia. You a china mozambique gamble, and back to you and resolution calling for cx. 5. It was rejected by the usa. U. K. Front nato countries. Arming is rails, aerial bombardment of 2300000 people, off of whom our children are. Bleed is refused to even meet with you as president biden, when he flew in to support nothing. Yahoo saudi arabia condemned in the strongest terms when they called the heinous crime committed by Israeli Occupation forces in the shelling of the hospital. Joining me in the side of capitalism and outlined, sorry, according to our views, was the most influential political funded in the middle east in 2021. Thank you so much, solomon for coming on of this obviously very sad the time. Any update on the saudi response to whats happening in a week when which byte and then the british Prime Minister flew off to tel aviv to support net and yahoo off to their voting against a cease fire view and Security Council or yeah, thank you so much uh, option, its great to be back with you. Its actually its, i tried to do what we are witnessing right now, and there are no words that can explain the human suffering in front of everyones eyes with regards to saudi arabia. Definitely this how it is and during this year alone and before this goes, conflict initiated 21. 00 strong statements against the practices of the far right government of israel. They condemned accelerated illegal annexations. Going to extend the west bank that the idea of kicking out some families from their homes, the pro vocations against the holy stomach sides and the killing of more than 200 the students and that was back. So, so, and i was just before because i just this year and they explicitly the government and sorry for the explicitly said that these practices with exploding the situation and endangered the peace process, which we are unfortunately witnessing right now. And, and as for the current, uh, saudi position to start the official position right now. With regards to that because the situation is primarily focusing a lot on the importance of the escalation of having a humanitarian assistance access and condemning and condemning the killing of civilians from all sides. And the complete projection of the force displayed the displacement uh plan of civilians and also definitely condemning the occupation and the 2 states and tend to mention that the 2 state solution is the only way for peace. Why does it, why does this is a lift aids . 2 guys are given obviously the impossibility of the raffle crossing. Yeah. Heres the thing, the saudis, under directions under doing thing as have all voiced the concern about the idea of not having access to the humanitarian and the saudis have made it very clear along with the defense. And the good thing is that they would be bringing 8th to, to, to, to, to, to got so, but how can you bring a to does a since you are bombarding even even the, the, the place where you actually want to, to, to, back. But right now we have seen how the saudis have pushed americans. Specifically when secretary blinking came 3 all they made it very clear that you have to, its actually pretty. Thats we are trying our best to convince the americans to have access to humanitarian 8. Its really a pity and its going to be as pain on the u. S. A part definitely weve seen recently that they have lowered their, their status right now. They, the americans are actually more open with the idea of, of giving that data to, to, to the listing. And so thats a good development. But its unfortunate that that came after a strong push from rewards and kyra, i mean you worked at at washington, you know how the americans think . I know that one state Department Official has already resigned from blinking state department george pool director of the Political Military Affairs at the state department resigned with his biden gauze and strategy. Why do you think they voted against a cease fire during an ongoing conflict where a 1000000 children are at risk of dying, of being killed . Whats your understanding of, i mean, did as lots of people been killed yet . Yeah, i suppose that no one can deny the fact that the con to us Foreign Policy is literally a disaster. Its most on impulses not on strategies. Its, is react to, and thats proactive. And, and as i said earlier, who have been mentioned to us to be reluctant to allowing access, im pretty minutes are in a to be saved and boom, by the posting and children and what, all right, sorry you, you have monitored the saudi us relations for years maybe decades, have you ever seen anything like this kind of behavior from washington in public . It is actually very interesting and surprising for the fact that the american democrats, they were the ones who claim to be champ, tuning the philistines, and they were the wasteful, were trying to solve the issue through the 2 state solution. But when they came to test, we saw how they were completely biased. And this is very, very unfortunate and history will not forget these actions because were not speaking off of more as we are speaking of civilians we are speaking of women and children. We have one that 4000 people got killed by this brutal bombardment of the i d f. Its very, very, very sad with we are witnessing right now, but lets keep the whole pipe. The americans are right now trying to rectify their trajectory by looking at things and naming things by their names. Because thats going to be a big pain for us Foreign Policy forever. If they have really allowed this apartment to continue without having real access to humanitarian aid, you see some watching this program across the arab world in the islamic world may be wondering why you have any hopes left about this uh, the japanese own financial times. Uh this quoting and um, named a g 7 diplomat thing, we have definitely lost the battle in the global south of to be a support for residents. Can ukraine the proxy war in russia, and now the absolute military support for nothing. Yahoo tequila, at least palestinian civilians. Why do you have these hopes still . Im having hope because i believe in humanity at the end of the day. Definitely, as i said earlier, the us Foreign Policy is a disaster. But that doesnt mean that these people who hold these policies are humans. They are humans and they need to come back to their mind and to see things and to call things by their names. And its an absolute reductionism. If we only look at the 7th of october and talk about is we not talking about the root cause of the 7 to k, its long conflict, and it will put it this way. The 7th of october plus 70 years occupation. And in other words, the rise of come us is in is right in the responsibility. Its an option. Let me tell you of here on the bar rock in the form of lift that was already the Prime Minister, even brock. He was, he, he was once asked a what wed do if he was a policy and in doing it, then you always tear. You know what . He exactly said. Well peter, he said he was a Public Opinion citizen under nothing else term he would go and join that Service Group to fight back and im not making things up. Now people can watch my interview with the rock and he walked out in my interview and i explained to him that he a well they with the midwives, of how my softer role as, as we remember. But rather than your hopes of any kind of sense coming out of washington, do you dont think that the conference and b s and others have different hopes that there is a new world now emerging devoid of the declining power of the United States, learned west and europes and presumably that was discussed when urgently pads in the middle of the night, the runs foreign minister and say, now me or underlying flew to jazz or i think of just off of the hospital atrocity. Ive never seen anything like it myself since covering this from the middle east to and the 2nd intifada isnt, i mean, what did you make of the fact that runs foreign minister flew in for this extraordinary meeting this week of the is always different. Yeah. With regards to iran, as you know, that we have had this kind of normalization doesnt mean that we have result of the issues we have with them. Definitely, there are a lot of issues at stake and the, you know, one washington thought drove when they saw this happening. You know what happened in blankets heavy most of most of the problematic angle of that was because of the bulk or the broker was china and for the americans, they are super sensitive with regards to anything related to china. Having diplomatic, strong relations tend to be a broker in both piece in and can be seen as a pace maker in the middle east or anywhere else. So we understand that. But at the end of the day, we are going to take our decisions by ourselves to find a way through which we can actually, the price point of them is at least into atlanta for opportunity rather than blood shit. And that does that mean we . Saudis will be in complete agreement for the iranians. I dont think so. I dont think thats gonna even happen at any time soon, but we are trying to figure out a way through which we can actually coexist and to reduce the attention as much as yeah, i wasnt even talking about the sensitivities of a bricks in china that order on really because is it true and i do understand that it was through the, the crown prince. Mom had been someone just kept blinking waiting when he was flying everywhere trying to presumably make terribly to support the alleged genocide and gaza. Did it keeping watch much . Thank you for so thank you so much for mentioning the word genocide because thats the way it should be described. And the fact that the, the saudis have been very vocal and its very easy to tell them they are very disturbed with the way that us handled the whole thing. Id actually remember and is really historian and a holocaust score. The russ sigo, he said a couple of days ago, a couple of days ago, he said that whats going on right now in goza is a textbook, a case of genocide, a textbook case of 10 sites, then some is really, is labeled him as so facing joe and if thats the case, then what about the remarks of the defense minister as wrote when he called god zones as human animals. After saying that, they definitely decided to cut the trust that the water food, a fuel from guns that which has over 2000000 people, half of them are children. So some may argue that the only men come us, which is not through human, everyone. But lets for the sake of argument, give them the benefit of the doubt and, and consider what theyve said to be quality. Talking about has been what about the president of israels remarks when he said that . Because then as citizens are also responsible because they didnt take how much out in directly he is indicating that all civilians are legitimate targets. Some may also argue, ill go think the method and without that, he said its out of anger and he didnt mean and then thats also give them the benefit of the doubt. And what about the specimen of the i b f. When he said, we focus on destruction and not the accuracy for the sake of argument. Lets also give them the benefit of the doubts because they are angry right now. So what about the freaking i b s. Actions for god sake. Over the top, over 4000. 00, the civilians got killed. Half of them are children. Like, what can we make about that . What can we, what can we say about that . 100 children gets killed every day. There is nothing more despicable. Do you think that was what was behind the crime price to cover for such i only see this could have happened, but this couldnt have happened without us military fund. Then there is really government relies on the us. So is that why the crown prince, mom had been selma that kept blinking, waiting and well, i mean, over reason monthly is the look. I dont have a problem with the idea of then americans funding, but as regularly with knowing that that is where it is when and have actually existed without the american supports. Even during the past tours. But at the end of the day, we want real peace between israel and arbel. And you cannot achieve that. Its so Wishful Thinking to achieve that without draining the swamp of terrorism, which early can happen through the 2 state solution. Because the only way to diffuse, entering more militant group is to accept the fact that they are humans, human beings. Besides, you will have been there and you have picked them from their houses on a different theyre absolutely products and we are not speaking of what the palestinians pink or what are the things or what questions think im speaking of the Security Council of the United Nation im speaking of the International Community, every one to say is that is right as an occupier. So where are the International Laws . So my problem with the United States right now is that how come you are . The one who owns always talk about the International Laws on how to abide by the rules. And when it comes to this specific issue, you only say, oh, its complicated locust, some would say on many issues though, some of that, im sorry ill, ill stop you. The more from the middle east, most influential, political funded in 2021. According to our muse. After this break, the the, [000 00 00;00] the, the welcome back to going underground. Im still here with someone else on, sorry, the middle east, the most influential political pundits in 2021 according to arab news. So im on just before we went to the break, you were talking about the 2 states. Im kind of holding to that maybe in a 2nd, but you know, in nature and asian probably got the media. They were talking about normalization between your kingdom of saudi arabia and israel, a scene so by the International Community is committing will crimes. At the moment. I mean, how can there even be any mutual defense treaty as was being discussed by saturday authorities and israel in september. And what, what there was a mutual defense treaty with the United States as part of normalization with israel. Is that all bidding the dust now . Its over, i would say, i would say which have never ever even talk about the possibility of normalization of the current time. If the israelis wants it to commit to more or less occurs in gaza, thats my personal opinion. I mean, types of to my own opinion, look option im known for being pro american or should i wait for . So im, ive been an advocate for savvy is really a normalization for so long. And i still believe that its the way it should be because of the end of the day we need to all or exist with each other. And ive also written an article in 2016 of the how that talks about the possibility of a 0 to be part of the big vision 2030 plan of february, the by having exchange by having economic and commerce, etc. But once we are seeing and with this thing right now, is unfortunately, is making things not almost hard, but almost impossible. So, so, so there must be some ways through which this escalation a stops. Otherwise, its going to be Wishful Thinking to have the idea of having surgery be because thats how it has have repeatedly said that the palestinians need to have a decent life. The palestinians writes the 2 state solution to our peace initiative. Weve been talking about this for so long and, and i said earlier, i would say its a game we believe income put in the complete integration of as row in the middle east. That cannot happen while you are depriving the rights of the palestinians of having so determination to have basically the twisted solution. What is the solution which i know is supported by russia, china, only new emerging superpowers of this century. Have you saw . Might say that the way that the palestine is being cut to ribbons in recent years makes that just the talking points. They need to have one statement is random palestinians all living together in a country called palestine. Israel has, im think you must have heard that argument before. The 2 state solution is actually a chem and as regards your piece in the hill, what makes now so different to what happened to the palestinian women and children and civilians into f 0620 or a 2010 . 2011. 20142018. 20192021. In gauze we saw the source of that. Yeah. Whats the difference . Yeah. And i would like to say that dont look for my answers. Dont look for the answers of Public Opinion, or are ups. Looks from look for the answers from whether it is really is or know for a fact that Israel Security will never ever be achieved without giving the palestinians their internationally recognized rights. And couple of them is still the information and ending the occupation. This is 101 in political and security studies. Another important thing to mention is that since the talk has always been about having us in a way that would somehow sidelined the id of the westbank and side line, the grievances of boasting is inside line. The, the 160 children that are in prison is right right now below 12 years old. Lets not forget the time us has always been secretly chair and why that is really secure with the upper office. Why . Because they were happy to see post daniels divide, that they play the role in that device. According to the former us, senator, one poll is really played a short side of game by supporting this device. Thinking differently that this Public Opinion, a device called is more benefits for them and thats it. Will that make the 2 state solution to evaporate . And they didnt know that it was backfire at them on this scale. So if there is one thing i would like to say, or like an advice to the israelis, theres one advice that would give to is right, is it would be, dont you ever use your current outrage on anger . And the temporary global popular supports or the western popular supports to lose your minds and wreak havoc and commit more massacres. This will result in more strategic losses. For israel, its time to reflect an act responsibly and to weigh your options logically, not emotionally. The lives of both innocent people should be saved, disregarding their if the recipes and religions and the idea of a scorched earth policy with back fire i to greatly. And as we know, 4 out of 5 is really is thinking that the whole was the issue according to appall conducted by an israeli university. And lastly, the training of peace. Since you asked earlier about normalization. I think the train of peace in the middle east has a temporary stop only. Okay, im trying to be optimistic here. How does the temper is tough only the need some kind of maintenance, but i would say, todays really is dont blow up to the train altogether. The train of fees needs to go forward. So as road can be integrated in the middle east, in the right way you can not the private posting is a right to p, o. Like or the, the, the legitimate government of, of, of palestine has been extending the olive branch and fort for the last 30 years since they committed themselves to men. Violets is really is picked. Thats the best really is pickets. Oh, absolutely. Thats how much weight youre going to and thats why thats why i say, yeah, but thats why i say, how much on the far right government to visit, right. I would say its are 2 sides of the same coin. How much wants to eliminate as or as a government altogether is right, it wants to eliminate senior state altogether. So where is the difference . Thats the, thats were, whats your cost . The is there any government say that not blowing up on the trains that just uh, doing exactly what they should be doing . Thats what is real keeps saying. And as for many people that we can see behind that to you guys in ramallah, they would say the about a City Authority has done the job of dividing bellis indians as the popularity of resistance groups has boomed in recent decades at the failure of the as you call it into just a minute to, i should say, on the elected government in ramallah. Okay. If lots of people in saudi arabia thinking like you are, and people in the government, saudi arabia, maybe. What do you expect from the United States in terms of opposition . To the saudi position at already were starting to see the weaponized ation of human rights, which im sure youre very familiar with in nato nation propaganda media. But they also have warships in gaza that theyre deploying all these troops just and theyve fairly said its not against the guys or government. Theyre doing this for a inside the ravia prepared to be threatened as the United States, some people say declining and acting like a dying animal is its empire. Declines. Is saudi arabia prepared for what we us has in store for saudi arabia, if it continues to disobey orders. Heres the thing. I cant speak of the saudi government. Sure. What i can say is the following, that are we upsets of the way the us handle the whole thing . Absolutely, yes. Are we upset of that . Of genocide and murderous by the f right though . Absolutely. Yes. Are we trying our best to get the world to get back to with sensors . Yes, we are trying to do so how things will develop. I dont know, but based on the reports with regards to the us deployment, i think the us with lots of gets into the, the missy situation and right now. But they are there just to deter hezbollah. And then you run in general, so its just mostly like a symbolic kind of a get away with it or the wait a minute. So in recent years, what we seen in saudi arabia refusing the Abraham Accords as a signed, they do a deal through china with iran. They do a deal with syria. They refused to increase the Oil Production as big as they were told by joe biden. I mean, how many things do you think that youre a big can do against what the us sees . Its interest, presumably that and the, obviously hes against is, are of interest without some kind of action from nato nations. Against that he already decided already be clearly def did not simple the United States v drawing of the ceasefire. Un Security Council resolution this way. Yeah, i think we should not go to have this kind of fiber bullet kind of expectations that things will go completely to the pictures on tv screens are more than i feel like someone say no, no im, im speaking about so do us relations. Im not speaking about the situation and goes in politics, you need to work with your partners. Lets not forget the United States is and will always remain our strongest security partner. We should not just sideline that. Does that mean we are incomplete, incomplete agreement with the way they conduct their policies . Absolutely not. But what im hoping to see, and i think that would happen. The us will somehow rectify its trajectory and get back to its sensors and to deal with the situation without having this kind of biased position. Thats actually the human eyes, the palestinians because at the end of the day, but as the, the us doesnt want to be in confrontation with the whole month to month. Its nothing thats the best interest. Its not in the best interest of the policy makers of the United States, because at the end of the day, you dont want to repeat the same mistakes that you have done through invading iraq and afghanistan. And the us as to a thinking and contemplating about all the consequences, consequences that happened at through that time. So i think the United States is trying its best right now to show to the israelis that we are on your side. But at the same time, i almost, i would say, believe that the us will take this time and push the israelis to find a ways to which they can initiate or to reactivate the piece a talk with regards to it. Well, just finding a briefly, you expect saudi arabia to continue forging good relationships with moscow and badging as a valid enemies of the United States government and security services, according to what we hear from washington. So that youre able continue to be good friends of china and russia. Absolutely, sorry. There is a friend with any nation super powers or like medium sized countries or whatever. So right. Be a, has the absolute sovereignty to multiply its relations with everyone. And the russian government has been active through the Security Council to draft resolutions to basically ask for the escalation and opening access to the military and support. So unfortunately thats was rejected by the us, but you can for us, this will, as i said, well, well, well have us paying on the 3 countries more of history. But does that mean were going to be on one side against the other . I dont think so because thats not the the way started. Maybe i conducted the business started every day. Is there to be a stabilizer to be in the middle and to not take sides when it comes to this kind of super power kind of a struggle. At the end of the day, the russians, we are continuing our relations with them. The same goal is with the chinese. We have big a project thats our hands of us. So definitely i think the salad we should look think for a 2nd. The facilities will be in a position to take a sides in this kind of multi polar war that is actually on the right. So and right now, more than any time after seeing the u. S. Position with regards to gaza. Right now, more than a time, we can see the benefits of multi polarity, rather than that, you any priority that has, that has been led by the United States. So im an island, sorry, thank you. Thank. Lots of of the show will be back on monday, which will im inside the petroleum minister, senior advisor, doctor mom, and else up on who claims the latest nature of nation war crimes. From garza to ukraine, signal the end of a washington dominated world until then. Keep in touch, why will i social media or if its not the sense that in your country and had to channel going underground tv on rumble, theyll come to it. You handled episodes of going undergrad. So you monday the the, the distressing images from central dasa, when hes really struggling to mock, it kills a number of people not to go into the palestinian interior ministry. Palestine says the vast majority of states ends in gaza. All civilians including children. Some local set at homes are being formed by israel with no military targets nearby. When i mean to know that my children and i were sleeping when the rockets in our house, we got out from under the rubble, the werent any resistance fighters in the area for me, civilians, me, my wife and our children. None of us have anything to do with the resistance. The egypt, as president s condemns the killing gun intimidation of dawson and civilians as an