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Little opinions that he wont get anywhere else. Welcome to please, or do the have the state department to see i a weapons bankers, multi 1000000000 dollar corporations. Choose your fax for you. Go ahead. Change and whatever you do. Dont want my show stay main street because im probably going to make you, im comfortable. My show is called stretching time, but again, its not. We dont want to watch it because it might just change dwayne, say the. The hello and welcome to cross side where all things are considered. Im Peter Lavelle. What those jo bidens bizarre visit to israel tell us the green light of land invasion of gauze. It was a deal made to allowed a deliveries from egypt. Essentially does the by didnt administration have a strategy in the meantime, palestinians and gods are, are dying and record numbers the processing policy. And im joined by my guess for me. 3 less. Got us in the room is a lawyer. And if a freelance journalist also be what we have are what us been, she is a assistant professor at the Lebanese International university and political commentator and in raleigh. We cross the ray mcgovern. He is a former c. I a analyst. All right, across top roles in effect, that means you can jump anytime you want. And i always appreciated, right. If i go to you 1st in raleigh, and im looking at politicians in israel and then this whole train upon the western politicians making their homage to jerusalem. I cant i, i have this feeling that i have this echo in my head. This is all the same rhetoric from 911. This is the, the global war on terrorism all over again. And we know how bad and did so on. And on top of it, everyone, george w bush. He has been rehabilitated completely and without any push back whatsoever. So i wanted to start with the, the larger picture re what is going on here and then were going to dig deeper. Obviously you want and the price is going on in palestine. Go ahead, right. The biggest thing, theater is what the old soviet is used to call the correlation of forces. Now, over the last 20 years, the correlation of forces has had a tech tonic shift. And that was a power that the United Nation is yesterday when the us had to veto a ceasefire resolution. And a pro have ation against what there is rarely for doing, just placing people in kaiser. And it was the only only no vote that as big. So whats going on here . Well, i dont think biden is being well advised. A surprise, surprise. I dont think he knows what hes doing. I dont know whos writing his note cards. When he says, as he did on the plane, you know, i dont understand why people would believe this rarely version of what happened there at the hospital. I mean, oh, maybe it was, maybe it was unintended. I mean, give me a break. So what im saying here is the correlation of forces has changed as the multi paula world. Its a bipolar world. Its the United States and is vito against the rest of the world, you know, mar. Well, one of the things that this administration is known for is the rules based order. We hear that all the time. Well, theres no such thing as a rule space order. Now if israel is not held to account for what its doing and they dont want us to hold israel to account, go ahead and bear with not only they dont want us to hold israel to account, they dont even want us to talk about the calamity and the atrocities that is being suffocated and software it in being put as a burden for a lifetime. I guess people satisfied, especially in gaza. I mean they dont want us even to report about the massacres that these really entity commit. The last of which is the baptist hospital, which took more than 1200. 00 lights, including women and children, majorly, and women and children. Its not only about and letting israel do what it can and what it should, the eyes of the west against the need to accomplish opinions, but also about putting out at a screen to cover the atrocities that they commit while doing so. And its, its a bit bizarre to see that on day 3 of the looks of flood operation, we saw how the west and then they for on the okay, start something theyre, theyre good carriers to the mediterranean as of like they have been planning a this, but the Palestinian Resistance operation just brought it into effect earlier than it was expected. This is what everyone is talking about right now. Theyre trying to get here because they had a feeling that something is brewing. Because for the past 3 years, weve been seeing that the Palestinian Resistance operations have been escalating specially in the west bank and in parts of gauze as well. So this makes the world see that the so called the police, the self proclaimed police of the world who came to the house to the age of its a calling me in the heart of the middle east and made it very fast, made this decision without even going back to its own people, the people who elected them, they didnt have a choice and that neither did the United Nations as well. And we also how it was the United States of america, but stopped the very dire, much needed a ceasefire, especially for the people of cause or at least to get in the necessary many turn to eat that they need at the moment. Because my friend, before i started the show with the always speaking to my friends and gaza, after i was thankful to able to get some Internet Connections with them and they start at the moment. Operations are being done. Surgical operations are being done to the hospitals without going to seize. Yeah, because they dont have the medicine anymore and its being done on the floor because there is no space to do it or the more so its b. I know what it can wait, but tomorrow youll never see that on the bbc or cnn will. Yeah, of course not. Okay, dimitri, whats really interesting, i thought the biden strip was very bizarre. The bear hugging and all of that they have is just kind of creepy. Okay. And is a re already pointed out whos just reading from cards who wrote the cards, we dont know. But whats interesting is, is that, you know, you have the u. K Prime Minister there, i think as we speak, the french president is coming and its almost a if is if netanyahu is giving them and, you know, putting them under. Oh, you know, theyre right in front of some kind of grand jury. Youre here now and youre gonna stick with us, whatever happens, okay . And youre going to cover for us and youre going to tell your media to do that for us. Thats what it looks like to be. Its very bizarre, dimitri, as well, it was interesting this light and twitter account before he came shortly before it came, proclaimed that he was coming to israel in a show of solidarity. I personally found that very difficult to believe at that point in time he had sent blinking, blinking it had what could only be described as a disastrous trip, perhaps automatic, respectively. He was being made to wait. Busy night by the saudi monarch for a meeting that was supposed to happen to 2 in the evening. He was tongue lashed by the uh, the leader of egypt, publicly, which was an extraordinary event. Yeah, i think that he had sent to, to aircraft carriers for the eastern mediterranean, pardon, so that there was no need for him to come on top of the billions that the u. S. Provides every year to this apartheid state to show solidarity. I think you came because the monster that the United States has controlled or has created largely, is now out of control. And in fact, to mandatory and supplies are not introduced to the guys a very soon. There will be a level of test and a suffering in this already devastated on play. That will far surpass anything that weve seen, the horrors that weve witnessed up until now i was a neutral but dimitry. Im sorry to interrupt you. Thats the plan though, isnt it . Thats exactly what the plan is and that, and the western leaders are supposed to give cover to it. Okay, thats, i think this is all one mentioned on as well the as really governments plan is definitely that. I, that just some degree there. The western governments are prepared to accept that, but not at the sake of their own hides. And they see that the muslim world is exploding with complete justification. And so they want to, i think again, i dont have a hot binding to the white house. Im looking at looking at this from the outside, trying to interpret what is going on. My sense of what is going on is that there is a certain level of panic because of the immense, wide spread anger and the air of world. And the muslim world about what is happening, there is a genocide of current and gas it before the eyes of the world. And so biden, i believe, probably came to israel, not for a show of solidarity, but to have a frank conversation with, with mister netanyahu, and explained to him that at some point in the not too distant future, theyre going to have to allow to manager in a into gaza, in order to prevent a complete and utter explosion in this part of the world. And i dont know whether at this stage stage its going to be possible for anybody to control the monster that the Us Government is created. I mean, we had the incredible spectacle of these really do defense minister proclaiming at the very outset of this offensive that all rules or dispensed with, that he was going to lift all restrictions on the d is really offensive on what he referred to as human animals. The man was basically declare, so it is. All right, so essentially move on to rate is real, is exempt from International Humanitarian law. This is what were saying here, right explicitly. Well, its called the x so okay, lets go to right here. Go ahead, right . The name of the whats going on, this is genocide. All right . And the difference is that you have not only russian and trying to youre not only have the arab states you have you. Um, were not going to tolerate at this time. This time the balance of power is very different from all last times you have the, you have the re and president calling up the head of saudi arabia. So they say it was amazing. Yes. And then you have the arab, the shooting asking is when its changed, could you please, could you please gather a meeting here cuz we need to all get together with your supervision and your input because this is a big deal. So if, if this is a big plan z is tenzing is launch bidding time, theres going to be really some reaction that we had never seen before. We have the actually really is the visiting with the head of as by law, as well as i had a mas so theyre getting ready and then it goes, its still so this is it one more thing because nobody has mentioned, this is a personal stake. Goodness ok, thats in yahoo and up in jail as a so good jo, buys you. Ok if you lose this one. If you lose your grade, if you lose the election, well, whoever comes in could end up putting joe biden and hunter and some of their associates in jail. This is a big personal stake that needs to be mentioned and needs to be taken into account. Came our way and we, we have one main before we go to the break the bar, what go ahead. Different perspectives. We see despite the fact that we agree most of the things to present. But the perspective from here is that we are ready to give our lives. We already gave 17 of our lives from our people, 17 fighters, and find a sex 6 dominions on the border was occupied palestine. And i do believe that the carriers, the aircraft carriers are there to us, stop any counter attack from crystal law. And i dont think its working because last night was the toughest, the night on the border between 11 on and time to sign. And it was on fire, and i think that the upcoming days will be very, very decided whether or not you will see an open war in the region let specifically by his will lot my people, my country under the fire of israel again. But this time fire back will be heavy. Okay, well, im going to jump in here folks. Were going to go to a short break. And after that short break, well continue our discussion on palestine state the the, [000 00 00;00] the, by the early 1950. Can you . It became one of the centers of resistance to colonialism if africa, the british invaders infringed on the most basic rights of the local population. Great britain and pursued the policy of squeezing out the local population from their indigenous lands. The best airable areas were given to white farmers dooming canyons to poverty and hunger. This caused the sharp protest of the peasant send less to the emerging of the mile mile movement, which started the fight against the invaders. The rebels called themselves canyon land and freedom army. The spiritual leader of the movement was the anti colonial active as jo, mo, kenyata, the Freedom Fighters used guerrilla tactics and attacked individual units of the greatest troops. The latter responded with massive air rates and artillery effects. When suppressing the uprise of london relied on maximum cruelty over 50000. 00 canyons were killed. About 300000 people were thrown into abrasions and concentration camps, where tortures no way inferior in girls. Each of the nazis was widely practiced. The veracity of the colonial list only led the temporary success. In 1963, the British Empire had to recognize the independence of kenya. However, the colonial regime left behind a trail of blood and boons at the canyon nation has not recovered from on sale. Now. The welcome act across sack were all things are considered on Peter Lavelle true mind you were discussing how us night the demetrius res. Already mentioned that the United States has very hesitant to see more is that it promotes come to an end. We have this current war against the people of gaza, and of course the, the war and ukraine, which there were 2 ample opportunities to ended. United states said no, but they want this to continue on. And so if we look at, but at the same time, they never know how to end wars. Okay. And um, so and ukraine, its a stalemate. Inevitably itd be Ukrainian Government will fail. But what are the is railways got to do with gaza . I mean, other than genocide pushed them into the see push them into the egypt governance. I have a mock mood, a boss travel there for them on the back of it is really tank. I mean, whats the end game here, dimitri, as well there in game . I think its the expulsion of the Palestinian People from guys entirely this, this uh you know, raising to the ground of the northern part of guys or large parts of it, forcing people to move southward, which happens to be closer to the border of egypt. I think was a precursor to mass expulsion. Thats the plan. But the Egyptian Government wants nothing to do with it. The arrow boiled will not tolerate it. The world outside of the urban muslim world, i think at this stage, particularly in other parts of the global south will not put up with this incredible monstrosity. And so this plan is going to fail. It is ultimately going to fail and the context, i think sure is very important, is real strength is always derived from its support by the United States. It receives currently 3800000000. 00 a year in military aid. The us a sense, as i mentioned, to aircraft curious to the eastern mediterranean, politically, economically, militarily in every conceivable sense that us the super power. Up until recently, the sole superpower has backed up is really in every way. But the ukraine war has showed beyond a shadow, but uh that the ukraine is that the United States is a much diminished superpowers to a superpower, but not the old dominant, super power that it once was. And that will have impacts for it is real. I think the world sense is now the United States and its allies are weaker than they have ever been. And they have an opportunity finally to bring this massive, unspeakable injustice that weve seen in palestine to an end. And i think that this is whats, whats going to transpire in the days and weeks ahead. And well see this just in just just coming to an end in the not too distant future. What model you want us to do. You want to jump in, go ahead, mar what . Go ahead. Yeah, i started seeing that in the im and i said everybodys in iraq when the has will not iraq function to send in a bomber drones to the i the surveys. I dont know if you have that in your western media, and today that just this morning, there was an attack on the clinical oil field where the, the American Occupation soldiers are they are also with bomber drones. So now your interest, so the United States of america are being directly targeted by the axis of resistance in the region. And this is a very big escalation against the presence of aircraft carriers and support of its really entity. But again, at the end of the day, the main, the main people here, the main important function that were talking about here is garza and we heard the excess of resistance saying that in each part of human you rock, youre running and security, im not saying. But in the event that these read, the entity actually starts an invasion, a ground impatient against the gods that were going to see a full scale war. But now i think theyre going to start to shift their conditions to elevate their conditions by saying if you do not allow human intern 8 to enter, then we will shift into another strategy. I think that started to see that strategy in our, on our region. Yeah. Well, morrow and those 2 aircraft carriers, theyre pretty big targets wouldnt be a think. I mean thats, that may be tested here at one point while it may be tested, one might let me go to ray, ray in raleigh. All the usual voices, the usual, the fluids in washington. This is all an opportunity. This is the opportunity of a century french. Go up your rad, whats topple with sod that this, this is a rhetoric, this coming out of these other places Like Washington right. Well, peter, its, it should be lose, you know . Yeah. As you know, people have to grasp the would the fact sheer, one very interesting thing not mentioned yet is that n b c a, a challenge for in britain. Theyre not buying that, it was how much that destroyed all those people are bad hospital. I mean this is amazing. Theyre worried that its being expressed in the most bains for media. That gives me some hope that people list time will say, well look, okay, this is so obvious that it are ships to restrict how much people last Football Data were going to have the right of access. So lets, lets head you are bets here. Lets, lets make it so that we dont look really stupid as we have almost all. Well, ray ray, this is kind of like the north stream pipeline. I guess well never know who did it. You know, they just, me, they liked the rabbit hole everything. Absolutely. Dimitri, im glad that re mentioned nbc, because of 3 era voices on nbc, have been suddenly silenced. People that had experience of the middle east and gaza, i guess theyve been furloughed. Ok. I mean, this is just what the length that they go to to and dismissing form the publics dimitry. Well thats certainly and were talking here about mesquite site and the 3 personality that gives you the amount of safety and somebody that i, i have contempt for basically what he should have a right to speak every one to the right complete to spend it. And frankly, i share here contempt for mister a son, although he has been relatively good on the question of palestine. Use compromise in any respects and theyve removed him from the air. And its not just the 1st of all thats indicative of the ramping is land before the. Ready now, which continues to prevail in the western establishment, but theyve gone well beyond the, i mean you had the, the, the, the, the home secretary in the United Kingdom proclaiming. Uh, i think his name is braverman that uh, burying the palestinians leg could potentially be a criminal offense under gk law. Uh, the so called champion the freedom uh, in germany. Youve seen people get a water cannon of women were into jobs. You know, a. Ringback accosted by the police, taken away simply because theyre waving the palestinians. Like what i find to pauline as somebody who spent most of his life in the west is that the government, the claim to represent us or telling the non western world that they are a bulwark against authoritarianism. But their current behavior is the pay them the headboard sharing as well. Marley, you know, we, we had, we had net now hang on here and we had netanyahu. I dont know if it was with biden or, or whatever. It doesnt matter. As all these western leaders are basically the same in my mind, you know they, they, they have also the nazis or the new nazis. Oh, it was with all those to show. So he was there. But the United States has been backing nazis. A new crane. I mean, its really quite interesting. I mean there are real lots that use. We saw one in canada a few weeks ago. Okay. And but you know, again, this labeling here go ahead, mar one in the meeting. But it is not illegal to austin in florida, but ok to actually do a students life in the west anymore. But its way ok to waive a nazi. Its mark into support nazis at the see not the personnel of the canadian parliament, or at least to see a insurgencies coming from a fighter is coming from europe coming from the west, swearing the nazi patch on their shoulders. Thats ok. Thats very okay. And its not ok to support thomas by or to at least have been promising a narrative to tell the truth about whats going on and found that doesnt really surprise us. Because if we look at how they had been dealing with our part of the world media wise, we see that over the past 4 years, they have taken us over from satellites. They have taken our websites down, they have taken our Youtube Channels down. They have taken our social media accounts down and they dont allow us to speak. I know these platforms are western platforms, but now they go on and they take away their own reporters just because they support the palestinian cause or a. Ready want to try and tell the story or from the palace the need to sign. I mean, our sounds here and nothing on we lost our on a, i saw me, i dont know the reuters for thought river and reuters itself wouldnt allow its own. So the indecency of saying, oh count as time they were invited in their statement, this is beyond words, but this is reality. They control the air, meaning they control the frequency of the, the, the, the, the people use for a, for their narrative. And now they want to show anyone else in their home and not allowing them to wave the flag by not allowing them to support thomas time, even by not allowing them to save a time from the river to the sea. This would be a, an offensive act in the United Kingdom, and thats beyond words. And also we have a lot of friends in canada and United States of america that are still friends from oppression, from the regimes in those countries because they opened the support to about a son or a p is because they are from the region they have. Well we are, a lot of them are well, marwood, there are there are palestinian americans in gaza. What is, what is, what is biden doing for them . Okay. I mean, i size a nose if they were waving a ukrainian flag, they might get some help here. Re you want to jump in, go ahead. Yeah, i just wanted to point out how is sent it to how are you good, how naive political hacks like corps of germany are arriving in tell of a on a roof. Wafaa wayne was there comes to drumming cross on what which is at all and german tanks. It is a to the soviet union way back when. Okay, now how does nobody have any sense of history here . The answer is no, they dont, but theyre going to learn a lot of history the next couple of weeks. Yes, and, but unfortunately, when ive looked at m r y, and i look at dmitri m, i worry that that war is going to come to, to their part of the world in between. Im one minute left. Go ahead, finish an off a look. I know its very difficult right now for those of us who are to and i think the vast majority of people are very concerned about the future of the Palestinian People. But i, if you look at the tectonic ships which we had talked about, which are happening in the world today, and the reaction were seeing both inside and outside the west to this genocide. Im actually quite hopeful for the future of the house to posting people. There is much suffering to come sadly and tragically. But i do believe that the end of this Apartheid Regime is at hand. And its just a question of time now before it finally comes to immersive lead. Well, a, the, i get it and i, i, the, well, i think right, really set it up really well. This is not the same world that we lived in 20 years ago. And all of your sophisticated military trinkets are not going to change the course. The arc of history as is being played out here. I want to thank my guess and be rude and in raleigh. And of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at our dc. You next time. Remember, press stop, rules the the new for monday. Im not getting back to the stuff. Im either going to use the normal. This is joe tay garcia about the 100. No, thats enough to 100. I lied to you on this, this guy suddenly. Ok, now i need to be here. We need to get you started with us. Us produce side is sick and one on the left. Shes on the more you and you now im not in this case. Ok now saying theyre not going to i still equal to 40. Thats the, what do i equal to the so if i for the other 2, most of them the same score to do for me to a single handle. Whats the name of the also the still go since you are pursuing the what those jo bidens bizarre visit to israel tell us the green light of land invasion of gaza. It was a deal made to allowed a deliveries from egypt essentially does the bye. Didnt ministration have a strategy . In the meantime, palestinians and gaza are dying of record numbers. The, the at least 18 People Killed on Dozens Injured often its really bomb hits. The oldest Greek Orthodox church and Gaza Civilians with sheltering from mass strikes, theyve been showing everything even churches and most of our house was built in. So we relocate to the judge that they showed us that the families of those kidnapped to gaza started as a soldier. If he gets angry for us to big protests, people come here 247 as well. Sometimes the release of the 2 hostages by hum us was some 200 of this. I still believe to be held inside does that. It is still a relative demand. Moiz dont to secure that freedom. We want to find the bodies