To move to the style because they want to use them as the human shoes. So we are say, and i think the community should say the people in guys that go to south of guys are re there and you can not be home. All right, before i let you go, what is the significance of president bidens visit and trip to ease road right now . And i think its an Important Message to the, to the how much do you run into . Whos bella . The do you s stand by is with, was the fall is the give all the weapons this with, you know, there to eliminate this from us. Were not the barriers of weapons because the us said we use was everything they need. So the tablet complete, and then i still, we still the hall that trust that the mazda care did. They did some stuff though they do all as to why. Oh baby, you know, the practical being that the people in the united way are not going to negotiate. Weve come us, we are going to elect them the hall. Hardly those people to come back and, and they come us to do that whole going to be any. All right, we have to leave, you can now highlights i kid for my ease. Ready . Interior minister, thank you so much for speaking with us. I thank you very much. Thank you. Thank you. All right, well, thank you very much for stay with us. Well study to bring the new update from them, but at least and the belt of Road Initiative far on in the evening. Thank you. I a michael quick just to you shortly, the the the hello and welcome to cross ok. Were all things are considered. Im peter le, about the west is all in on the side of israel. It is essentially forbidden to speak of the escalation and negotiations at this point. Israels war aims are unclear. However, if we use history as a guide, there is no military solution to this conflict. Could only be a political resolution, the cross talking palestine, im joined by my guess, misty winston in columbus. She is a political activist as well as host of the miss the winston show on t n t radio in london. We have bruce, i cite, she is a political and social broadcaster on g. B news. And in st. Petersburg, we crossed to us on now he is a professor at the department of Political Science and International Relations at boston university. Hard cross lock roles and the fact that music can jump me anytime you want. And i always appreciate, lets go to our guests in london. You know, im, you very rarely quote the New York Times in this program because its not enough. Thats our tatum source of information. Needless to say when it comes to power respond, but they had a, a, a guess stop at that, asked a very important question if not the most important question when it comes to this conflict. And its titled, does the us really want a mass expulsion in gaza . And i think that is the question here. We can talk about the strategy and tactics and all of this. But thats what it gets down to is the fate of gaza. Your thoughts, please . The ultimate a, this is absolutely concerning because what we see, we have like the western world totally involved in this as well. And from the perspective of somebody that sits in great bridge, my can see how heavy that is. For right now, im just math, its functions that we do look at this is something that the incrementally been happening for decades so such and that we know that there is a side on both sides in next and yahoo that probably want to have an expulsion of gone from a spreadsheet that then moving paul at the moment because what we know is as soon as im gone and hausteens ok, its spelled from being on that land get occupied. Perhaps this is something moved to do. We know really once and get the 2 state solution. Sorry, sorry, april. So we have mole. Im, they can just go ahead with one state solution. No. Need to to that in the thats well, thats where they really get the boils down to miss the i we, we had secretary of state uh, blank and um, really hot monday. No. Jumping around the middle east. Um, uh, trying to reenact Henry Kissinger as a shuttle diplomacy, which he apparently has failed utterly. There are no deliverables here. And he said, you know, were, we want to set up, were thinking about doing, we want to plan. Hes not doing any of those things for the reasons that our guest just said in london, this is a way, somehow to, to conduct an expulsion of 2200000 people and get away with it and call themselves humanitarians in the process. Go ahead, misty. Its incredibly interesting to watch it play out and youre absolutely right. I think that blinking is very clearly not gotten any kind of deliverables, anything of substance. And i think that that was probably never the goal. I think its almost certainly the what weve just described here that they are attempting to, you know, as we mentioned this has been going on for decades. And i think that this is just an escalation of the, of the expulsion that weve been seeing, or just trying to, um, you know, wrap this up a little bit and move it along a little bit quicker. And so i think were trying, theyre, theyre trying to, as you said, get these get past domains out of the north. So theyll just move in to that land. And i think uh, you know, we have people like nikki haley um, fully full throated support of taking in a 1000000 palestinians into the United States. Which is interesting considering her rhetoric about immigration in general. But i think that the reason why her and others like her are doing that is because if those palestinians come here is well get to take that land. Well, thats on the in st. Petersburg. There was joe biden had an interview a few days ago. I think it was c b s news, and he said it would be a mistake for israel to occupy garza. And then he said in the same interview, and i dont know why its hard to tell what if this guy and so you know, it is. See it. So senile now is hes, is it a gaff . Is he letting something revealing something he said he talks about a Palestinian Authority . Is he talking about the p a in the west bank . Because it sounds like they want to get my food a boss on it, on the back of it is really tank and take them to gaza. Go ahead and st. Petersburg, a well, i would think and one day americas talk about and or supply they dont hold on because i or, or launching a full scale made general oppression into that type of buy is or as being a mistake. I would think they are a bit talking about jo, paula tickler is so a United States which would get involved in the middle east and offers again. And again, that was certainly could literally demonstrate the United States and sort of disengagement from do you pay new conflict . I mean, what does, what do you bring in complex as got top to . And there is a stage where the western world has lost a board. But you know, when it comes to officially an art meeting that they have lost it, you need something as some sort of protects perhaps. But and, and this is one thing. The other thing, uh, the, if the United States were to get enrolled in mid, at least in politics, affairs, and military conflicts over and over again. This would not only the tongue tied into United States against any government in power, but it would also give china and for the time to basically genuine with its Economy Development and making its military preparations. Would you got to potential boring type on if they had, if theyre talking about these jewel paula to co concerns in mind about what it is then. And we would wish that these jewel political concerns would sort of pretty straighten. These really is from any large scale military operation in garza and the other side of the calling is israel has found a pretext on which it wants to launch a large scale, many total oppression in gaza. But then the problem is that it would basically it would not, it be easier for you, sir, as to, to do what you want us to do. Its part of all these people from gaza is almost a sheet impossible it there. As i can see from my what i stand and it is and what type of sustain, you know, most casualties. Israel is not a country that can easily sustain casualties, and uh they the government and empower good. Sort of explain it to the public. Well, it was go back to london, boost route. It seems to me that come us basically game this out. They had a pretty good idea exactly what israel was going to do. And israel is doing it is real, doesnt have a strategy. This is all about revenge, but that is, that is for teaching mistake. Okay. And, and how mazda is a fully aware of this, and they know that, um, at a certain point there is, has the law and other regional players that will react. I dont know exactly what no one does, but this is the model understood what they were doing, and im not. I am not covering for her mouse, and a mazda a fighters if they committed atrocities in israel. They should be held accountable for like israeli should be held, accounted for atrocities go ahead in london. The ultimately, i think, you know, this is a very complex political placement right now as well. And i think from also ways eastern where that very this illusion about 2 state solution that saudi has been in discussions with jordan and with the usa and with israel. Because ultimately since 2009, when Benjamin Netanyahu even endorsed the 2 state politics that he would discuss that they have still been occupying top so palestine pulse of gaza. So this will, its an illusion. And so maybe from themself, know, the actually there is a honesty and they said the truth. And if theres hops that trap, what sets up israel has been led into a and so both of them are playing the game that they want to play. Ultimately, i believe the 2 state solution is an illusion. There was another thought to definitely do. Well, i think there might, there might have been it one time, but dear. That was a long, long time ago. And let me go back to misty and columbus. Im glad this was brought up here. The 2 state solution with joe biden said, joe biden, when it was viable. Joe biden was a young man. Okay. When its that, thats how, thats how ridiculous this is right now. There is no 2 states solution is really never wanted it and what they wanted is to cobble up as much wine as they can. And they want to do it all over again with gaza, misty for sure. I think of the 2 state solution as, as long gone. I think that there was a time when that was maybe a possibility. I think even a mazda, they agreed to the 1967 borders. My dad say they did, they did. They didnt want to recognize israel, but they were willing to accept those 1967 border. So i think that that was a possibility at one time i think it was always very tenuous, but i think that we have long since passed that that window of opportunity. I think that there is no way that, that especially given everything that has happened over this past week, i think that there is absolutely no case for that to be made whatsoever. So i think that we are certainly looking at a, as you said at the very top of the show, this needs to be a political solution. This needs to be, you know, something that is not military. There is no military solution for this. I think that weve seen that play out over decades and we are either going to see the bombing to continue and the desk continue. Or theres going to be a political solution that somebody in acts and just think of thats going to be a one state solution where everybody has equal rights. And thats the plan. And its been for a very long time, but you have to have willing, honest players to do that. And we dont, in this case, you sign, it seems to me, it seems to me that a mazda is willing to commit suicide to save the palestinian people. Is i didnt overstatement was difficult to tell whether how much cultures that basically created to try to lou research. I mean, to, um, to basically keep the policy. I mean, uh, ship policy, new resistance, um, uh, conscious one way or do ally one way or the audit, or whether actually how much actually tested. Its a new capabilities that because over the, over the last few years equal, i mean acquired is difficult to say. But what it is, is it for israel, where to go in to guys in the into way. We are all expecting done. Then you turn into into big truck parties. Are there is no question about it. But at the same time, the problem is, and the policy new question lingers on, how are you going to solve it . You know, it was easy for all those states to basically uh, to uh, at 2 to 2 state solution to, to yes, it would be better, but you would have to have. And you certainly government really willing and serious in good faith negotiating a settlement today. All the more on the, im sorry or a suffer, a military defeat. That is the only way that is going to happen. Goodwill. Why the money . I mean, yeah, just the of such a military defeat done. Were going to have to wait. Okay, well have to wait and were gonna have to go to a short break. And after that short break, well continue our discussion on palestine. Stay with the russian states. Never as tight as im sort of the most sense community. So some, some of the must be the one else calls question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin media mission, the state on rochester day, s r t spoke back keeping our video agency roughly all the band on youtube, the Student Services for the question, did you say a request for check the welcome back to cross software. All things are considered to mind you were discussing palestine. The okay, lets go back to our guest in london and another one of the burning questions when everything is said and done. I mean this conflict will come to an end at some point. I truly believe that it has a her risk costs for civilians and everyone all around. This is absolutely tragic care. But who will rule gaza . See this is i think this is where i think um um, blinking in others are trying to find a way where they can continue the open air prison. Just have the they need a more amenable present. More your thoughts . A quite cool, one of the discussions that were having here with the case is about the moral high ground alexis thankful these discussion, the israel at the moment, hold the model 5 grounds of the number of the as the day told it increases as mo palestinians died effectively, and they all going to lose that. And even though we are going to see, you know, ive been claiming that they all do at least to defend himself. You know, mean some, some people when he greeted us what they want to do, but essentially they will lose that and they will not hold the moral high ground. So i think at that point its going to be turning point full kind of thing in people, and then that will establish who is going to run garza, im kind of funny because even at the moment i dont know, but i certainly know that they all do this in a little space globally. I think pete, oh yeah, maybe. Yeah. Whats going on . Oh, absolutely. Yeah. That was one of my questions and i think that a, no, you can have western capital is throw all their support they want. As i said in the top of the program, but if you look at the protests all through europe, i mean that they are not reflecting the government whatsoever, and they should have been expected. It should have been very much expected. Itll miss the one of the very odd situations that were there. The world is facing here is that are up to at least 500. 00 nationals in god. So that how foreign passports, many of them from the u. K, the United States. What about their lives . They are of any value whatsoever. I dont see anthony blinking talking about those people. I dont hear the British Government to talking about their own nationals as well. Miscreants, a man or well quandary because as you know, who has the moral high ground go ahead, misty. Know youre absolutely right, and i think that weve also seen that these really officials a, you know, they, they very clearly do not care about those people or the hostages that have been taken. And i think that thats why they dont, in my opinion, they do not hold the moral high ground at this point. I think that we have seen the support for is real. I think that theyre very cynical campaign of labeling any criticism of the as really government is anti semitic. Think of that is very much loss. Its effectiveness and i think people are starting to see through that charade. And i think since the internet burst onto the scene in particular, i think since social media really became a galvanizing force, i think that we have started to see Public Opinion shift on this issue in a huge way. And i think that the protests that weve, weve seen over the course of the past week, are certainly indicative of that. I think that around the world, i think of the people recognize who the oppressor is, who the oppressed is, regardless of what the Current Situation is. And i think that thats, i think, i think thats why were starting to see a little bit of desperation. In my opinion, from is the israel. I think they realize theyre starting to lose that information more. And i think that thats something that theyre trying to contend with. Yeah, thats why their favorite weapon is censorship. Okay. Yeah. And i know a lot about that about having the wrong thoughts. Okay. I found that its go back to you in Saint Petersburg is lets look at the players on the ground. We have a mouse, we have has the law, we have iran and collectively they are very powerful. But when each one of them acts separately, theyre not as powerful. Thats why i think it has the laws role, and this will only grow because if a mazda is taken out, then has the law is weakened and a ranch view of the region also. So do you see them working collectively together . Because if there is any, any real form of an ethnic cleansing has blah has to react, it simply has to go ahead and st. Petersburg as well. I agree. And in the case of a whole scale, i must go to all the guys on paper. You know all the harder for the pictures, streaming, auto, gaza. I would think and it would be impossible for his beloved to remain at posse phone. Look, at some stage they might are getting moved and we all know is below are, is much more capable of conducting a type of welfare that has created that gaze these rio and you know, the military conflict and it has it being able to repel any Israeli Attack on hasnt the law and the, the last one was in the 2002006 and as belie gain managed to inflict heavy casualties on these trail and pushed israel back. And since then, i think they have been re all being in every sense and they keep saying that they are a ticket and it was size critique, any part to be 0. Im whether or not this would actually happen. It would largely depend on what the strategy does in gaza, i would think and, and how basically, how much would calculate the pros and cons of entering the conflict. But whether the United States would also get into the conflict and bomb his role as well. Output positions together with these trail and whether they would uh, data intervention uh, would make a great deal of impact on the israeli position or on whether they would actually push almost back and push it as well out back. It depends on a lot of things, but the view um the problem, what would what lie we did on you know, the time you always seems to one the basically it take the matter comes together with israel, you know, come paying against the wrong well yeah, thats it, thats what it seems to me to let me go back to london. Yeah, im glad this was brought up so many. Ah, who wants to be americans to attack it ran during all of this and they will take care of, of gaza. Which of course, in a lot of circles in the United States and the Foreign Policy blog, they would love that because nobody will be talking about the power city and Somebody Just talking about how theyve gone after the mules. Thats what theyre thinking. But i absolutely believe that if the us started attacking has blog around has assets all through the region, the American Military bases would pay a very high price. Go ahead in london. Oh, absolutely. I mean, lots of people have been discussing is to say that based as well, israel wants they ultimately want us to pack them. And if it gets to that point, i do genuinely believe that its going to be a truck catastrophe. If it gets to that point, we are going to have has the law who are not actually going to defend garza, they are going to do the project to go off. As we see that International Rules are brokerage has a logo have no choice, but to, in, to be on. The people cannot underestimate the power they had the law had right now. You know, people are discussing about, you know, a mission, how many weapons you have had to pull out. If what weve seen happen would come off with how much to do a in comparison, they pay to high school. No, no, the ultimate is going to go down the road of iran. I would say probably for 5 and isnt going to it back that why didnt is not going to buy. That is why we see him slowly back track. Hes now saying we need to de escalate. This cannot extend, but it seems like there were internal politics between now and yahoo and by then well say dont be so they on the, on the same page i, the, i genuinely, really bad. Yeah. Well, you know, is wag the dog, you know, thats, thats always been the situation here. You know, you know, missy, um i, i usually dont talk about domestic american politics here. But to mind is down in the polls. Nobody who particularly likes him. The economy is not doing well. Hes got some family problem safety and know what i mean. And his war and ukraine is gone nowhere. Its been a boon dog. Oh, my goodness, a new opportunity is on the horizon because he would even when he was Vice President , his relationship with netanyahu was very poor. I was for during the 1st part of his administration year. And now he has an opening. Is this a parasitic all politics, misty . I certainly dont put it past them. I mean i, i agree. I agree with you completely. I agree. I definitely dont put it past them. I think that weve seen this time and time again, any time a president happens to be in trouble in the polls or without approval leading number. Theres always that war button that they can push to kind of boost themselves. And i think that weve seen kind of, you know, the shadows of that weve seen the ukraine situation, i think was a great example of him trying to bolster his numbers. That obviously didnt work out in his favor. But weve seen him and we just recently gave an interview or where he was asked, can we handle towards the same time . Hes like, yeah, were america, you know, like word for the most powerful country on earth. And hes trying to, uh, you know, create a sense of strange, create a sense of leadership. I just dont think that its going to be enough. I think, as you said, he is already so far down in the polls already. His, his presidency has been kind of a nightmare and really an effective on so many friends. I think the people are really fed up in particular. I think theyre really fed up with these continual and non stop or so i think that while this may have worked in the past, im a little bit skeptical about how it would be effective here. It dont go into 2024, but we will see we just say, well, well miss the, i mean, you know, you guys go back to tony blitzkrieg, the secretary of state. Okay. I mean, so he oversaw the evacuation of couple, hes over to solve this ridiculous war and ukraine. And now hes could it be Henry Kissinger really. Okay. But it says, these people are so out of their depth. Let me go to a side because were running out of time here as on. I think the region for the most part. Now what makes it different now is that theyre not as afraid of the United States as they used to be. Or do you agree with that or that some of that . Oh yes, definitely. Because um, but with the emergence of multiple out of it, i mean you can see lots of countries. Um, changing data or traditional positions. Uh, but for the multiply to we could have hardly seen it on and sold a, b a and a called follow up countries basically normalizing data relations. But for multiple large games, we could hardly have seen touchy and cutting a balancing act between nato and russia and other powers in the world. So there multiple r 8 days going to play is going to impact on demand. Least try great to expand and at any us involvement in the way we are describing uh would be it would turn out to be a terrible mistake. Well, if its, you know, in closing here, i think its, its, we shouldnt really reflect upon the fact that it took the start of this, of this conflict in there. And again, no one should be given a pass for atrocities. But it, it took such a tragic event for the world to remember that there are people suffering in palestine on the golf and also strip all of a sudden we have to remember that were being forced to be moral people. Again, thats very, very difficult in the west, and i think that, you know, as this plays out here, we have to remember the tape of moral compass and speak out for people that have no power. And thats exactly what im trying to do on this program. And ill, and i appreciate all 3 of you participating in that. Thats all the time we have one, i think my guessing, columbus london and in st. Petersburg. 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