What could have caused that plots. But those are the main stories. This how do you head over to c dot com or a social media pages for more money speak to scott and thank you very much, the the, [000 00 00;00] the hello and welcome to cross talk. Were all things are considered. Im peter lavelle. When im off launch this operations against israel, the west, through world, as usual, declared, it was an unprovoked attack. This is not surprising, as with the conflict and you claim the west refuses to accept that is responsible for his client states disruptive an illegal behavior. The cross walk in palestine, im joined by my guess, ramsey by rude in seattle. Hes a palestinian officer and journalist and so then we have mohammed mirandi. Hes a professor at the university of the rent, and in rome we crossed through romano roberto. She is an author and managing editor of the palestine chronicle. Alright, costs are girls in effect, that means you can jump any time you want. And i always appreciate ramsey. Im going to go to you in in seattle 1st because its a god awful hour there. I really appreciate, appreciate you joining us here. Im sorry youve been watching the coverage of the complex test starting on saturday. And then it was an unprovoked attack. Apparently just came right out of the blue. You know, just a bolt out of have in here i, i, it is so painful, you know, as everyone knows, ive been covering incessantly the ukraine complex and we have the same rhetoric, unprovoked attack. But saying this about palestine, i mean, we got to go back 70 years if you want me to talk about unprovoked go ahead, ramsey a. Absolutely, so, so even im going to jump right into it and say that progressive is what kind of study has been, can speak about this just for a minute, to try to understand this to improve bolt. I mean, International Law says that you owe is power. The United Nation says that garza is under siege pretty much everyone around the world in re country around the world. The United Nations is that israel steps in via the issues within yours International Laws and United Nations just resent most of it has a single do norris. But neither for this thing to do it kind of sydney allies nor for the for, for the fact that the city has all the most basic and minimal of Pain Medicine of freedom of movement to mary, to survive. And it takes place day after day after that, if theres anything in the world that gets to bolt, this is it. So how do use this term in good conscience and how do they get away with it on friday . The Mainstream Media is so bizarre these days. This is not a little bit to spare space for us to me is to find all these say they could not, but maybe we have a different narrative or a different political discourse. Maybe the last of our children do matter. Maybe lots of or people not as maybe just maybe isnt. Oh, is this a part time colonial state that should be held accountable under International Law . And yet its, its not so yes is very much per bolt. And that should be what the conversation is as well. That was good to professor mirandi. That would, if they did do exactly what ramsey is, is proposing. That would mean they have a conscience, but they dont have a conscience here. And im sure it was a great, it didnt go a missed all 3 of you. We had the arch neil con nikki haley running for the republican nomination for president and she said on national television, finish them, finish them. But professor thats, thats a call for genocide and it went, nobody said anything. It just went it will water off the back of a duck. Go ahead and turn around a, a quite a few find a few people have been speaking about genocide in the last 34 days. Its uh amazing. Its not just as riley officials and its rarely public figures. Its western officials and western politicians and western public figures that are saying give them how yeah, i mean this truck get rid of them destroy. And if you are, we hope never to hear about gaza again after a few days and that sort of thing. And i think that symbolizes the fact that is a symbol of, of western civilization and where it stands right now, israel am i, you represents best western civilization today. Inactive israel represent the acts of western governments and western politically leads. Im not speaking about the ordinary people on the streets in london or new york that are struggling to get by im speaking about those leads and have positions of power and influence and the media and academia in business and in government. They are extraordinarily racist. They are, they are the 2 enemies of human rights and Human Dignity by saying this was unprovoked. They know they are like, they know that for 75 years, the Palestinian People have been provoked. 24 hours a day. We see almost daily desks in the west bank by as riley is usually teenagers. It is rarely, regime goes into an account, shows a few people comes back, nothing happens and its not reported in the media. Settlers go and attack children, burn them alive, beat up adult speed up, teenagers, kill a few here and there, and its not reported in the western media, and its becoming, it has become a lot worse. In fact, ever since the new netanyahu regime has come to power, yet the situation has become unbearable and the tax and on palestinians have increased. So and no one in this part of the world is sealed by the narrative. And i think in other parts of the world as well, the global so no one really takes the western media seriously anymore. The what the influence of the western media is in the west. Yeah. Used to be that the western media had gemini over the glow. But now i would say it has hit germany over the west, and there is alternative media, but that is, i think, kept in check. Well were, were trying to turn the page and them with a guess like this. We are reminded on one of the interesting things is that we had the, the, the Prime Minister of israel saying to the palestinians, and guys, i get out of gaza the hold that thought. And then you showed the airport intel, of even people are all leaving. Yeah. Well, they can leave, okay, but its, its not explained to western audiences, but the people and gods are in are in prison. They cant leave and there, but again, in west to me, it just about they have to, we go where go head and room. Absolutely. Uh, you know, the context is completely missing from every account in western media these days and nobody is mentioning the fact that goes on these funds are her medic seat and has been under her met except for 16 years a few days before october 7 before the policy and resistance launch, the Major Ministry operation. We were reporting above the fact that keeping the patients in gaza did not have the medical supplies that are needed to be treated. So doctors with a camera se, begging is what would please allow some medical supplies in. This is, believe it. These are the leading conditions you can gather, which the United Nations declared unbelievable by 2001 we are in 2023. What im saying is that the support international community, i would say rather the west and also the western media are responsible for what is happening today. Because yes, of course, nikki haley called for genocide. Youll have galandes really defense minister yesterday said that god has to be completely shut up, shut off the word and no water, no food, no fuel. And these are open cause for genocide, but even turning your back completely and not, you know, reporting about the god, the feet and the body and bear with the conditions of the policy and people means being responsible for data genocide. So i really think the international community, meaning the west and the western media are actually responsible for what hes helping these days. You know, ramsey i, i find it really quite curious, but it shows how sloppy and actually stupid and dishonest. These people are that there has to be a new knock box, which of course, is really just course youre not supposed to talk about it, but when it becomes convenient, then they talk about it. And then they, they, they actually realize, and, and, and legitimize me, the historical truth, that it actually, the not, but actually did happen. Go ahead in seattle. It does this really interesting point because they are not, not just supervising that the palestinians in 194748. They are actually using the very post in your time, which means the catastrophe of the very destruction of the palestinian home then history kona. But what is even more interesting is the fact that people involved with the vast majority of the are the defendants of those refugees. Yeah. Some of them are still alive, but the defendants of those refugees who were so cool. I think it clears from palestine in the 75 years ago. Another really interesting but everybody is talking about how much this is. Let me just have that they are trying to find out, was that you want to behind this was this coordinated which has moved up, but nobody is asking the question. Oh, army is young, young people who are these young people who joined some rigs, georges love, and you have briggs. And they are part of other movements including circular and social movements in gaza. And there are quite a lot of it there where either the big is or children with is what it is so huge on gaza. Started into in 2006, 2007. They have no political consciousness of the time your children. Oh, this was developed under siege. They werent be immunized, is what else to repeatedly. We tell calories, we want to keep palestinians live with one to 2 dogs. We want to keep them alive and badly so. So the are the outcome of is what is speech is what youd be have to do, human auditing discourse, the counter make, tell them to the level of complete freedom as part of a historical context. And whats become from a nation that has no political life whatsoever and the original duties, while the sign ramsey through is really interesting. Again, i mentioned in the beginning of the program, ukraine, the people of the don bass for 8 years had no agency whatsoever. They had no humanity, no sanctity of humanity whatsoever. And this is what and they all the way. And we let because this has been done to the palestinians for 75 years. Okay. And but the parallel is there the same discourses used to d, humanise, and to deny people any kind of power. Im going to jump in here folks will get to go to a short break. And after that short break, well continue our discussion on palestine state without the the who, what else seemed wrong . Just dont you have to shape house because after kids and engagement because the trails when so many find themselves worlds of parts, we choose to look for Common Ground the the welcome ex across stock were all things are considered. Im peter real about true mind you were discussing palestine. The okay, lets go back to to and from professor mirandi. I mean after the, the 1st sorry is that uh, the mouse shot into israel. Minutes later everyone was pointing the finger at a finger at around to announce involvement and all this again. You know, the people of guys who have no agency, they have no, they cant do anything without somebody telling them what to do, which is so tiresome. Okay . Considering with ramsey just had to say when you, when they, when uh, the blockade started in 2007 and you have children, theyre growing up now theyve grown up under this regime here. Im sure that im pretty sure they have a pretty good idea of who they are, but lets talk about it around because it looks to me like the lindsey grahams. This is another opportunity that they, they want to have a general more with it around. I know you around will not take the bait, but im sure it around is prepared. Go ahead, muhammad, to yes, and the ronnie is obviously are going to continue helping the policy and people. And theyre going to help him, us and his stomach to heart and all the resistance groups that are struggling for survival and for their rights. But the to deny the Palestinian People agency is i think a racist in itself even though this whole affair is race is the fact that the western media is supporting an apartheid regime. It shows the institutional racism in the west, but the policy name, people are highly intelligent, highly creative, very smart. And they were able to the defeat a much more powerful and the end, very abusive oppressor. And theres rarely use that suffered a major defeat and they dont want to accept the fact that the downtrodden and oppress Palestinian People tracked in gaza surrounded and gaza. That they could to impose such a defeat upon this randy regime. But both the, the, this does not mean that the ronnie as well support the policy and people who are wrong will continue to support the cause of sending people around will continue to support from us. Your own will continue to support your stomach, john, but it is the people of palestine that are fighting to survive. It is the people of color assigned to the defeat at this rate of the machine. And it is the people of palestine that are being bomb. Women and children by that is really wishing day and night and the western media and were in the west is not a democracy. There. This whole facade about freedom and democracy is for kids. Thats the, even kids shouldnt believe it anymore. The western media are, is behaving like but soldiers or they is really regime they are trying to justify genocide. Theyre trying to prepare the browns so that people will accept mass starvation mass that across kaiser. So theyre trying to create this moral equivalence. Theyre talking about palestinians raping is rarely without any of the evidence. Theyre talking about civilians being killed, where, how the scene ends up being killed every day, every day for years. Sometimes in the hundreds in one day, sometimes one a day. Its, its something that they live with all the time. So the west is trying to create some falls more equivalent in order to help the is really, really mean. In some cases, the west is openly supporting genocide, western politicians, public figures that used to be these rarely who, who, who, who said such things and, and they wouldnt say it in english. Now. Everything is fine. Everyone can say what they really think. And quote, what mohammad, why, and what dentist or china not come down, why should they do it now . They, they support nazis and ukraines. They celebrated nazi in canada. I mean, what, you know . Yeah. That the, the, the bail was down there. Theyre very opening what their intentions are here, ramada. I thought it was very interesting to the joe biden is sending the Aircraft Carrier gerald ford to, to uh, to the power city, the boot method, turn mediterranean coast. Okay. Again, thats one of the things i look at this comp like, you know, a complex usually is like 2 sides of comfortable power. Its never been the case here. So theyre sending an Aircraft Carrier against guys on motorcycles. I mean, its really quite extraordinary. And the extraordinary ingenuity of the people of gaza considering the blockade to be able to defend themselves like theyve done is really, really remarkable. Nobody wants to point that out. Go ahead and room. Yes, absolutely it. First of all, of course the, the, you know, the use of the term conflict in the wrong context has been instrumental for so many years. Yeah. And, you know, it didnt recognize the fact that there was an occupier entered, occupied at people. So these was, of course, this has been done for years. What is happening now though, if thats of course there was an end or estimation of the power of policy in the policy and people to resist, but also of the policy number existence movements to organize themselves both in terms of manpower and in terms of weapons and as we said, ingenuity to the point that a couple of weeks ago, a j sullivan, which is the National Security advisor, the United States, a set and i quote to your them even if we dont is quite or today the never been into decades. And these was said a couple of weeks before this happened before october 7th. So it means that of course they were, they were projecting an idea of the middle east. We, we saw and the tiny house at the United Nations with the map without the pulse, without the borders of pa, this and say, these are the new with an east. And they were talking about normalization between at ease will. And so do you read the without involving palestinians . They wanted to rule the neck of the new me the east without completely neglecting the color scheme of the book. And this is where the policy and with this, the fed. No, we exist and we are not gonna allow you to ignore us completely why you are projecting these idea. And often you want me to leave a room and im really glad you brought that up because i wanted to talk about this quote unquote normalization process. Ramsey, they is there. Is there any coincidence in the timing here . Because when netanyahu was at the United Nations, he showed a map of the middle east and there was no power sign there. I mean, we picked up on that, but most of the world didnt release of the western world. Didnt pick up on it. But hopefully this is a dead in the water right now. I mean, how shameful it has been for eric governments to be involved in this process. But hopefully its been put on ice go ahead, ramsey. You know its, its, its interesting feature that up fall when every major event saucon on you will using american times. The always the clear and you want me to each communities our lives declared the new with a piece of uh, just after the or do you want to be is there any more the devastating war or live in 2006 . Nothing me. I was still at the united uh, United Nation was september also declare and you made an east and now that to me, always saying, i wouldnt change the middle east. Um when, when struck a, which is really interesting. Does it mean that the media hasnt really been changed . So helen and you will be the e scanned them in there is actually a forward. But what is even more interesting is the fact that were not. Were not on the agency. We are talking about the will private pass to be a strategy. Listening to the speech of a World Leaders of the United Nations joined us in the, in september, the positions coming from russia. Coming from, do you want somebody from south america coming from south africa . Where much stronger the most are countries. So this has been an organized activity marginalizing. Its much given assassinating the palestinian cause. I completely agree movie a palestine from any investments of american interest. Individual and honors were involved in this 100 percent. Now everybody is going to go back to the drawing board and they have to be think that strategy. I personally think that normalization it is either, at least for the choice and medium terms. We dont know whats going to happen in the future. The americans are say, no, no, no, were still in the works and were gonna work on it. But we know that blinking a, as in a banking, has really decided not to go to more roku enough to will that not a single neck, a full run, bringing the arts together to celebrate the greatness of it as well. So theyre kind of sitting in did, in fact, managed to seize the rules of the game. Want to be, i dont think always a coincidence. And thats why i brought up the question, well what, what are the chances this is . Conflict could expand. Im thinking about has the law in lebanon, and of course, theyre your country around because theyre pre plenty of people in the west with, you know, this is how they see. This is a golden opportunity to rearrange everything. They always get it wrong. They always get it wrong, but it doesnt keep them from trying. Go ahead and cut on. Yes, they always get it wrong always. And thats something that they are not going to learn again this time around the night that they simply think that they can change the amount and impose their will. And they fail time after time. And the west is not the power. They dont have the strength and the power that they had to 3 decades ago, the United States and its allies on the decline, and the existence of this rain, the regime depends on the United States and the power of the United States and the power of a you apartheid is only in place because the United States and its european Allies Health is rarely enforcing without them their health. The regime would collapse very quickly. So as the United States decline, as the europeans decline, and its their own fault that theyre on the decline, economic policies aside forever, wars, and now the war and ukraine and tensions with china. Theyve brought it upon themselves. So as a decline therapy, hed be looking increasingly foolish when they try to impose their will on a region which is changing, which has evolved. Iran is not intimidated by the United States. Iran is not intimidated by the hold of nato. And then in the policy and people in gaza have shown that they are not intimidated. The palestinians in the west bank are not intimidated the people of loving on are not intimidated. So yes, this could spread. This could get much worse, because if the is riley, regime push is too hard, theyre going to be smacked down. If they try to destroy garza, this war will definitely escalade and have no doubt that with whether this really is go into cause a whether they do not go into gods a baby last. But if they go into gaza, the receipt will be much worse. Yeah, so well if you, if you believe in god and you pray at night, i hope everyone will pray for the folks of guys cuz its, its alarms as long struggle ahead, but its something that is so surprise me on saturday. And i really want to think, ramsey, because hes kept the consciousness of the of the palestine penny and people alive for the rest of as good job. My friend as all the time we have one infect, my guess in rooms seattle engines around. And of course, i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at ortiz. See you next time. Remember, across, stuck with the russian states. Never as one of the most sense community best. Most all sun set up the same assistance must be the one else holes question about this, even though we will then in the european union, the kremlin mission, the state on russia scooting and split the ortiz vote net keeping our video agency roughly all the band on youtube tv services, for what question did you say a request, which is the a c i a program . Same wasnt, dont need to create fearless and ruthless soldiers, but also to control the minds of thousands of unsuspecting people with non caustic issues to the nature of your opinion. Morning, each of the one most as we shall assess dot. 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