How do you think it balances the constrains up, you know, imposed by International Law versus the prove all good use of its own security, which sometimes run counter to i personally to challenge your 1st statement that the average of every country would say the same. Its not a method of saying its made or affects on the wrong. Because i have seen how, for example, the americans has behaved in new york. Hows the russian . So itd be used in other places in the, in the, in the world like like what i, the syria out. I can see, uh, like in the, i can, you know, the, in the eightys in enough to understand and the associates said okay, sorry. So i, i, regular life is and the, and the anyway in all the conflicts, all st. George was the show us the process interests, area and the, and ive seen and the last i smoked on the russian because it is practically in writing the national with its a very, very careful account that in the fighting in the complex areas in the, in the high populace is very popular areas. Well, uh, mr. Simone, if you can allow me also a little bit of a soft relate and revelation. I have many, our friends who are here, critical as you can imagine of israels actions. And one of my friends told me that its easier for me in the russian to get a visa to israel then for him, even though his family lived there for generation. So i think we can at least agree that israels actions have also been criticized on human rights, right. The only reason, but also access to certain is our last the big treatment of the civilians on the ground. The freedoms allow to them. I dont want to do something from us for example, which is the father standing on the federal organization. The strategy of from us is to fire me size towards civilian population is that i kinda got schools, whatever, from civilian population as a product issue. So you, they use their own civilian population, its not the secret of others and about it for many times. For example, theres been fighting in this house from the vicinity of all the u. N. The refugee a policy in order for the G Organization from the presidency of all form scores. And why do they do that . Just for one reason to protect themselves because they know that its on, were not fire back to a place where there is a school or there is a, you know, a highly highly chest is that none involved would be pump. So even if its around these fighting, its all to destroyer. And lets say how much the headquarters we normally worn. The of the people inside this has close us. Thats where theyre going to bump. And we want them either. We lifted either we phone calls that are evidence of such phone calls. And if the those to the floor they, we also use some enough to charge us that does not only make sound to make sure that the population in the house is evacuated before we destroyed. So i think uh this, uh, um, lets say this claims about this and i know that because i know them, they exist, but completely unjustified. Now as im sure you know, um, russia has been very careful long before the current conflict. The new credit has been very careful about its criticism of in israel, and i think also very understanding of israels security sensibilities. Understanding that the reality is on the ground may differ from some abstract values. And the same time as mundane the working relationship with the palestinians when the radians with other actors in the region. How do you understand most co stands these every your country, especially on Security Matters . Yes. First of all, i think that the russia has a very Important Role because they have very strong ties. We visited, in fact, uh when the soviet, in the beginning, the soviet, the immigration policeman and they took the lawson immigration pleaseland has contributed very much to these. Then economy info, is there a scientific good because they do cation brushing, slow and the same as the dont enjoy to solve the reason its, i very much appreciate, i dont know what happens with the russian invitation, but to very much appreciate the soviet education. So difficult to get an image that has been if you such a thing to hear that thank you. Yes. And the, so this is the sides of use that and also we are, we are actually using cost me cause it has a very good relations with our enemies, with the enemies of the fall as soon as the others can the people, im sorry. Oh no, they are not the kind of thing and people are not the enemies, but that organization like im us like uh, just let me check this out anyways or the syrians without any reason. Still it out. I name is date. If you ever, they are on the inside of our entries. So they have good relations with these are, these are countries and its very important to have this kind of relations with a, an entity that can make some terms with those content. Because thats very important. And that actually is also, as you know, involved in city, im very much and we are active in syria, is that hes very active in trying to avoid it on to get the photos in, in, in syria. And the is really, is affecting this iranian, and also city on the of when they just sometimes very much out of security and infrastructure in syria. Eh, and the, and the, we are called the nice thing though is that text me is the options. What do you think made it possible because im sure you understand the context and the reason this interior is taking place. We have a war in the neighboring country with a you know, well what we used to refer to as a brother, really nation before. And you have to, what youre telling me is that the russians are actually when it comes to the battlefields. Russians can operate with the degree all 5, you know, reasonableness, why do you think thats kind of cooperation that is possible in syria between these rallies and the rainy. And so even the american said, there is no competition between is the aging like into linking the there is a just to make sure that that was clearly understood. There is cooperation, operation of cooperation, back dakota, portion corporations was the russia. Well, i is my it is it, i couldnt get on. Absolutely. But all sides in d and this cooperation. Understanding that old practical interest, theyve continued being uh, maybe avenues at some point or competitors at another. But theyve proceeded with this with certain norms. Why was it possible in syria and why do you think it wasnt possible . Lets say when it comes to ukraine, when i was, i would talk about to create and 2nd, i just want to to specify my point regarding celia or that the sicilian is audience that they are ex steve very harshly against these that i, they, they outside of a huge company and because they have a strategy of, lets say they want to gain as you money released. So is a, is for them very, to cite on. And the big one is america and rationalize, balancing it out with. I mean, i, i dont know if rush sized balancing goes, i know that the, to your on and is very heavy involved inside is that i with out of these ladies with the policy and then a 10 organization helping them and promoting them and funding them in and doing that, or its like saying these are, this, is that the, as im sure, the, it is really intelligence the ethics in, you know, seriously a couple of the welto so, you know, watch federal just trying to kill innocent people with no discrimination. That is why it is not never has done thats i think its fair to admit that you know, each country it engages itself and cover the operations and, and thats besides the pollution of our. Okay. The facilities are absolutely, absolutely quoting for production as the, as we say in, because the websites are things that so youll, youll, theres as written in folding price. That is where was active. You is active in your, on. But its not doing their own activity in your own is no telling me is civilians in your on indiscriminately . Why is it on his doing . Thats very heavily elizabeth. Can i repeat my original question is why do you think that kind of operational rivalry versus cooperation that was possible in syria where russia is uh, functioning as a, as a goal between at least lets say, between israel and its enemies. Why do you think that model wasnt possible in ukraine . Why does it have and why does ukraine have to be, you know, somebody else has some somebodys trophy or rather than being at the former government, i think ive seen them or before and it, them, yeah, well maybe you had, we had the shortest time of one year under government, which the former Prime Minister saw that you would be able to get some terms thing that i showed you claim in the beginning. It was a bits in my view, pathetic with the i i you know, this is a battle between huge entities is that is a small country, you know, we are, were, we, we barely have energy to take care of the products. But the, but i think that the 1st of all, i want to tell you personally that the water between the i, i so its coming, i understood it was coming. And, you know, one has to understand the sense of self defense, the pressure ahead o, o, in regard to the activity of your credit and mainly the activity is not nato in the eastern side of the interest of people for a moment. Because this is a, heres an important question and we have to take a short break, but we will expanding it just after searching the this c i a program, same wasnt, dont need to create fearless and ruthless soldiers, but also to control the minds of thousands of unsuspecting people with narcotics, we should start to, we need to get a feeling of morning leadership almost as we shall assess dot when you put the instruct me on that you are for land to from the pay on the new model and the moon on the line that the printer, no, they chased the survivors is under the impression that the only the deal is extra, but the one is most of them commercial land that will come in. Youre going to be immune is placed with something else. Lets see i a m k ultra, a project involving the use of special drugs for military and political purposes. First on my dad and then in the ukrainian army, ive shifted towards large scale technical trials, but ongoing to stop anytime soon. The, for the last lots, this operations against israel to west, through world, as usual, declared, it was an unprovoked attack. This is not surprising, as with the conflict and you claim the west refuses to accept that he is responsible for his client states disruptive, illegal behavior. The welcome back to was a part with gabby subordinate Senior Research or a digital phone institute for strategy and security assistance. Tony, before i interrupted you, you started talking about self defense and self defense is indeed something that israel coins it on many occasions and something that special also involves to justify its military operation in, in ukraine dissing. Its a legitimate, the side of the ground as part of the, when the decree, you know that the, to a lot in another country, your allowed to, to the ex concepts be sense. What if you want, if you are effects your self defense . I, i mentioned that russia, i did not say that the through excess is self defense. I said that it was a i a, the, the, on my understanding what this to lasha is acting under that the sense of self defense imagine, but the Russian Troops are, are deployed on the border between mexico and the United States. What the, what was the United States doing this sonata . Im sure that they were lots of states were thought id such and ask here as a culturally scholar, because this tension between russia and nathan russian, the west has been, had been boiling for many years prior to 2022. It wasnt a proxy for him. Cyber attacks, a, you know, military drills, chemical lapse. What have you, diplomatic stripe, but it wasnt kinetic. What do you think allowed for these . Uh, sort of under the carpet conflict to become full. We expressed more on the battlefield 1st. If it was an initiative of the government, the federal government, the russian government has stopped so that how do understand the server youre fine to send that the 1st of all before the, the all state to begin actually, the kinetic of physically began. There was some, some of the when you know, ill still be facing other means, you know, this now with the, the, for mission era which we quote information and comparing. So the influence of is the only thing for wars i have, i was a, has been active very much and my, i dont know if its a compliment or not, but the size of very, very well known as list in, in the, my immediate but there was a pressure as well known for its ability to con, to conduct the, these kinds of pressures with yes, absolutely, this last minute. I dont know that russia is active all over the world in europe. Even now, what do you actually mean by that . Because ive been working with these general, which has been described as a propaganda bullhorn. Ive been working here for the years, but i tried to do all list analysis with a saw the 3 actually live on the same planet them. If its a, you know, comes up in the Nuclear Mushroom and nobody real bad at the 1st of all, the brush site is not the only one thats getting bucks increments so, pollution. Every, every state responsible states will use the defend implants operation, which is a, you know, on a cell phone to propagation of your views. Im looking for wars once it went on, as long as it say on your 1st operation is not on has a few of us, your views is ok, but the profit doesnt start to, to affect how people, for example, in jet or money or input on or into both takes the think and act and using what we call if lot of stores or fake news or whatever, whatever do you want to use to, to convince them or to, to in the pull her eyes, the discourse. Im to make it to call. It is the ability, i dont see a rush i using to be honest with you. I dont see a rush or using too much faith was, i mean like we have the trunk and the only reason i, i dont know what this tools anymore because of the pressure. I dont know what to say anymore. Only god knows what this through. We are now facing, you know, when i read something, i dont know i, i believe nothing with everything or whatever. Only my mind and sometimes my mind is, is money to do it is by others. And i dont know that it has them money if you like to see is not a substitute anymore. You dont know what this to as well. So everybodys using the best way to get their goals will be it through beef natural. Nobody else know them or just like to say that a perception is reality. And this is actually one of the ways they used to pose the world view onto the rest of the world. And i think one of the reasons why the russians launched a military operation in ukraine is to prove that the reality is reality. And if your security interest off threatened, you have to respond not just by words, but by actions disney rusher will succeed in that. I researched it. First operation during the transaction was the 1st year. And so trying to understand what, what, whats going on that you guys are also active very, very much into so you know, feed everybodys activity. And so, and this is a part of the war. Now its become a part of war. You, you dont use only can a degree was also, can you, when the war through influenced operation only can you when of conflicts through influence . All right, im sorry you have so in my view to the you know, to the for see and future without shooting bullets and without getting your money on your votes, there is no way to win anymore. Now i drew some parallels between these rarely, pl, listing and conflict, and there were in the ukraine. And i think one major difference is that whenever these rarely posting in strive goes kinetics, theyre always efforts to mediate or at least their calls for a cease fire. But in the case of your brain, we havent seen any meaningful effort to mention these statements by former israeli government. There have been some turing sonata capitals, but nobody gave it a real hard effort. Why not . Why not . Yeah, well i, i think that the you, russia and ukraine did not receive a claim you gave me is not the loan because ukraine is somehow authorized that slash money to later, bye bye. And americans sold by western countries. And the end, the, the, the, the, the months of fuel, calais, in orders that are in ski and, and not acceptable by anybody in our shop. They, it does not match, you know, they want to go to the board. This of 9091 or Something Like i dont and it does not match. So as long as and they stay on those 2 bullet points. If it went up to, it doesnt matter if you bring the money out to the table or bring someone else to the table trying to and get terms between the size. It has to be, you know, ive read recently. And then the last days that there is, there is a reduction in european se population, so both for to continue supporting ukraine. And that is that eviction in america support to continue to support that. You can just see what happens with the logic now in, in the corporate us, in the, in america. And maybe maybe the, you know, the restaurants is a huge, as the polio said, dont mess with the russians. And the, you know, maybe, uh, the russians are waiting, they have enough energy to wait on things. Uh, you can use one of them or say, okay, i bundle, we stopped. This is extra level. So i think a very interesting parallel because uh for many years uh the United States, despite claiming neutrality has been squarely on israel side. But uh, more recently, uh, the american support for israel hasnt been voted, but it has become less prominent. Maybe less for right before friday. Do you think this thing could happen to ukraine . Because i know youve been the very strong advocate of self sufficiency when it comes to israel on defensive matters, dissing your credit has any 1st of ours, i dont, i dont want to fiddle for the gotta think, isnt it . Im, im, im, is, advocates for many is that is what i should not rely on. Anyone for its a defense is an actual defend itself by itself. We, we dont need all the time. You can do that without the americans for forced. I mentioned before the military in our independence war. Okay. In 48 and we were 600000 people against a huge minnesota the the tech on the side for from old out of states trying to conquer the joyce, this mode to a settlement. Thats what the things that i, i say im, im sure we can do it because we have a behind us 3000 years of history and weve managed and we wanna manage. And the, i dont know the about to create a new client is relying on just so that the numbers, the 45000000000. 00 of america the supports from the us through the last couple of us. And this is a no, it was amounts of money. So i dont think that your brand is going to abandon is a, it sale what they perceive as the eliza on, you know, and, and, and i hope that the nato is not pushing too much to enter your brain, turned into an 8 or which will escalate the situation completely into a position, i think whoever i will not throw out even the use of nuclear, you know, its, its, its very sensitive. Distortion is very sensitive. And i, i really, we, i dont people of piece, you know, l one piece. And i hope that will be found that before the solution for the conflict in russian. Well, uh, the difficulty is finding the peaceful solution is that its not just about the conflict of interest, a conflict between russia and ukraine. Its also about, you know, brother architecture in europe, and i think the as the look the, the, the, and the we had now discussions about the, the, the issue that america has been with an isaac. Its donna making it as a military monetizing meaning sizing, the economy and the, and, and this creates a counseling revolution, china, russia, india, and other really, you know, but i was in south america in south africa, and sorry to also south america at 12 to create an independent financial and framework not to rely on the dollar and not to rely on. And this i think, is going to be their reactions for you and in the end, or maybe a sports, although thats what im not the, you know, and this only focusing on the American Economy because it said we need some kind of more redundancy in this or self sufficiency or equality because it isnt. And we have learned also from this will you know that the, the, the Health System of your plan has been destroyed by the russians practice. And the, and the, and the, you know, this is so not to get go. So it can happen easily by all readings, and we have to find ways for to secure our Health System for attempt to go and listen, learn secured for supply. Allison done. And to make sure that is rarely self sufficient, was it as much as it can . Can i ask you one last question because israel also has to think about winning the so called hearts and minds of the people. On the other side, do you think theres anything that rusher can authentically offered to ukraine to increase the chances of a settling on a National Basis and possibly keeping the big american proxy a b . Is there a i would presume to not think, you know, it would be presumptuous to me to, to try to advise that i sent in for im, im asking both your opinion. Yeah. My opinion. But i have to, you know, when i have to interfere and it has to be based on something with what i dont feel that my basis is sort of enough about the conflicts. Im, as i told you with my, my main, my main concern about is about our conflicts and how to manage it. For example, i know that it will be very difficult for the fact the when the house and minds of the ops. Okay. The conflict is very, very deep and the, which is not very deep in the, in your crime between, you know, most of you could, i have some options. Yeah. You know, well thats a very yeah, you know, the, with the numbers or manuals theyre looking inside russians. Well, they dont consider themselves russians any more, absolutely well distorted glue that they want to rush. What historically, i mean many and the one on caesar, oakley, i ment. Okay, this is the last i would exaggerate 100 years and while we are with the on up. So we have a story. So its a, you know, so out of conflict is deeper, is i understand that its easier to getting tennessee they will kind of or so for when that these virus still getting things without a while. I hope to be honest with the policy number because with on ups and just seeing that then, you know, is the, is leading medical. So is the, with the, the other on the card agreements and with the, the saudi arabia. Now hopefully we will have to be solved the interview and try to isolate the policy and an issue with it, obviously, which is very important for us. Well, lets hope that both of this going success settled in our lifetime lifetimes, assisted by the f one to make you less that the, i dont you have case mike. I have case i told them, look, you are heavy enough. Also, you eventually will have, you know, well, uh, im not the, im rarely, uh well, uh, i dont know if its a notes domestic or a pessimistic nose, but we have to live with there. Thank you very much for being with us. 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We cant keep losing people out here, the hello and welcome to cross talk. Were all things are considered. Im peter lavelle. When im off wants his operations against israel, the west of world, as usual, declared, it was an unprovoked attack. This is not surprising. As with the conflict and you claim the west refuses to accept that he is responsible for his client states disruptive and illegal behavior. The cross walk in palestine. Im joined by my guess, ramsey by rude in seattle. Hes a palestinian officer and