Assembly does not specify in International Law. Theyve been national, is very, was specified that you say theres always been conducting only community to positions within the constraints of your time as well, with them across trains of International Law, but extraterritorial liam the i, i would argue that because i, i, ive decided the site that i practice it in person via our research for this issue for many years and the, and the together with the international committee. It was as close in as in the office in the event. And the, and the i have to stay with that is a, is one of the most responsible states taking care of the, of International Law and is a very, very, and, and careful in trying to present to sit and ross is not involved. So mister simpler and im sure you would agree with me that every state uh existing on this planet with the claim, the same, including the americans, including the russians, including the chinese. So i wanna ask you specifically about israel, how do you think it balances the constrains up, you know, imposed by International Law versus the prove all good use of its own security, which sometimes it run counter to i personally to challenge your 1st statement that the average of every country would say the same. Its not the method of saying its made that are affects on the wrong. Because i have seen how, for example, the americans have behaved in new york. Hows the russian . So itd be used in other places in the, in the, in the word like the, like what i, the syria and i can see, uh, like in the, i can, you know, the, in the eightys in enough to understand. And the soviet said, okay, sorry i just, i, i regular life is and the, and the anyway in all of the conflicts, all st. George, i was the show us the process interests area and the, and ive seen and the side smoke on the russian because is a, is practically the writing the for national with its a very, very careful it comes up in the fighting in the complex areas in the in the high populace is very populated area as well. Uh, mr. Simone, if you can allow me also a little bit of a soft relate revelation. I have many, our friends who are here critical as you can imagine of israels actions. And one of my friends told me that its easier for me in the russian to get a visa to israel done for him even though his family leave therefore generation. So i think we can at least agree that israels actions have also been criticized in human rights, right. The only reason but also access to certain inside our lands, the big treatment or all sides civilians on the ground, the sweden was allowed to that. I dont want to do something from us for example, which is a part of standing on the organization. The strategy of from us is to fire me size towards civilian population is that i kinda got school or whatever from civilian population as a product issue. So you, they use their own civilian population, its not the secret of others and about it for many times. For example, theres been fighting massage from the vicinity of over the u. N. The refugee a policy in order for G Organization from the presidency of order form scores. And why do they do that . Just for one reason to protect themselves because they know that is on will not fire back to a place where the school or there is um, you know, with the highly highly chest is that none involved would be pump. So even if its rarely is fighting at all to destroyer, lets say how much the headquarters we normally warn the people inside that headquarters and thats where theyre going to bump. And we want them either. We lifted either we phone calls that are evidence of such phone calls. And if the those to the floor they, we also use some enough to charge us that does not only make sound to make sure that the population in the house is evacuated before we destroyed. So i think uh this, uh, um, lets say this claims about these and i know they close. I know them, they exist, but completely unjustified. Now, as im sure you know, of russia has been very careful long before the current conflict, the new credit has been very careful about its good us as most in israel. And i think also very understanding of israels security sensibilities. Im sending the realities on the ground may differ from some abstract values and the same time in montana, the working relationship with the palestinians when the radians with other actors in the region. How do you understand most co stands . These every, your country, especially on security matter. Yes. First of all, i think that russia has a very Important Role because they have very strong ties. We visited and in fact uh when the soviet, in the beginning, the soviet, the immigration policeman and they took the lawson immigration pleaseland has contributed very much to these then economy info. Is there a scientific good . Because the dictation brushing slow and the same with the dom, enjoy this over the years of age. I are very much appreciate, i dont know what happens with that. I shouldnt be patient, but theyre very much appreciate the soviet education. So difficult to get an answer that has been if you central think to hear that. Thank you. Yes and the so this is the side of his bed. And also we are, we actually think back to me cause it has a very good relations with our enemies, with the enemies and the fall as soon as the others can the people, im sorry. Oh no, they are not the kind of thing and people are not the enemies, but that organization like, almost like uh, just let me check this out anyways or the syrians without writing these and still it out. Im is they because they are on the inside of our entries. So they have good relations with these with these the countries. And its very important to have this kind of relations with an entity that can make some terms with those countries because thats very important. It actually is also as you know, involved in syria and very much and we are active in syria is that is very active in trying to avoid it on to get the photos in, in, in syria. And that is why it is affecting this iranian, and also seriana if, when they just retired is very much our security and infrastructure in syria. The end, the end, the, we are coordinating those that text me is the options. What do you think made it possible . Because im sure you understand the context and the reason this interior is taking place. We have a war and the neighboring country with a, you know, well, what we used to refer to as a brother, really nation before. And you have to what youre telling me is that the russians are actually when it comes to the battlefields. Russians can operate with the degree all for you know, reasonableness, why do you think thats kind of cooperation that is possible in syria between these rallies and the rainy as even the americans said, there is no competition. When is the thing that like into linking the there is a just to make sure that that was clearly understood. There is cooperation, operation of cooperation, back dakota, portion corporations. Was the russia, well i is my it is it. I couldnt get on. Absolutely. But all sides induced and this cooperation, understanding that old practical interest, theyve continued being uh, maybe avenues at some point or competitors at another. But theyve proceeded with this with certain norms. Why was it possible in syria and why do you think it was possible . Lets say when it comes to ukraines when i was i would talk about to create and 2nd, i just want to to specify my point regarding celia or the, or i and cecilia. It audience that they are expertise very harshly against these that i, they, they also, they have a huge federal company and because they have a strategy of, lets say they want to game as you money released. So is why is for them very to say its on, and the big one is america, and russia is balancing it out. I mean, i, i dont know if russia is about us and go to, i know that the, to get on and is very heavy involved inside is that i with out of these ladies with the policy and then a 10 organization helping them and promoting them. And funding them in doing federal effects and these are, this, is that the, as im sure, the, it is really intelligence the ethics in, you know, seriously a couple of the welto says, you know, i settled is trying to kill innocent people with no discrimination. That is, that is not never has done thats, i think its fair to admit that you know, each country it engages itself and cover the operations and, and thats besides the pollution of our okay. The facility are absolutely absolutely quote with the production as the, as we say in because the websites are things that so youll, youll, theres as written in folding press. That is there was activity is activity in your, on. But its not doing their own activity in your on is no telling me, is civilians in your on indiscriminately . Why is it on his doing thats very heavily in these that i can i repeat my original question is why do you think that kind of operational rivalry versus cooperation that was possible in syria where russia is functioning as a, as a goal between at least lets say between israel and its enemies. Why do you think that model wasnt possible in ukraine . Why did it have and why does ukraine have to be, you know, somebody else has some somebody is charles here rather than being at the former government. I think ive seen that before that then, you know, maybe you had, we had the shortest time of one year under government, which the format of Prime Minister thoughts that you would be able to get some terms thing that i showed you claim in the beginning it was a bits in my view, pathetic with the i i, you know, this is a battle between huge entities is that is a small country, you know, we are, we, we, we barely have energy to take care of the products. But the, but to, i think that the 1st of all, i want to tell you personally, that the water between the i, i so its coming, i understood it was coming. And you know, one has to understand the sense of self defense, the pressure ahead o, o, in regard to the activity of your credit and mainly the activity is not natal in the is some side of the interest of people for a moment because this is a heres an important question and we have to take a short break, but we will expanding it just after state and the the the welcome back to rosa parks with gabby ciboney Senior Research or a digital phone institute for strategy and security assistant building before i interrupted you you started talking about self defense and self defense is indeed something that is real coins it on many occasions and something thats pressure also involves to justify its military operation in, in the ukraine dissing. Its a legitimate, the side of the ground as part of the, when the cri, you know, that the, to a lot in another country. Oh, youre allowed to, to react on says be sense. What if you want, if you are effect your self defense . I, i mentioned that thrasher, i did not say that the through x as is self defense. I said that it was a i a, the, the, on my understanding what this to lasha is acting under that the sense of self defense imagine, but the Russian Troops are, are deployed on the border between mexico and the United States. What the, what was the United States doing this sonata . Im sure that there were lots of states were not thought id such and ask here as a culturally scholar, because this tension between russia and nathan russian, the west has been, had been boiling for many years prior to 2022. It wasnt a proxy for him. Cyber attacks, a, in a military drills, chemical lapse. What have you, diplomatic strive . But it wasnt kinetic. What do you think allowed for these . Uh, sort of under the carpet conflict to become full. We expressed more on the battlefield 1st. If it was an initiative of the government, the federal government, the russian government has started so that how do i understand that the server . Yes, i understand that. Busy first of all, before the, the, all state to begin, actually, the kinetic was typically begun. There was some, some of the, when, you know, ill still, it is in other means, you know, this now with the, the, for mission at all and what we call information. And comparing, so the influence of people that influence the only thing for wars i here for wars has been active very much. And my, i dont know if its a complement or not, but the size of very, very well known as list in, in the, my immediate but it was, it was well known for its ability to fun to conduct the these kinds of pressures with. Yes, absolutely. Thats what i have in mind. Do i know that russia is active all over the world in europe even now . What do you actually mean by that . Because ive been working with these channels, which has been described as a propaganda. Bullhorn. Ive been working here for the years, but i tried to do all list analysis with a saw the 3 actually live on the same planet. But if its a, you know, comes up in a Nuclear Mushroom and nobody real bad at the 1st of all, the brush site is not the only one thats 10. 00, increments of pollution. Every, every state responsible states will use this. The defend implants operation, which is a, you know, on a cell phone to propagation of your views seem for wars once it went on, as long as they own it for this operation is not honest. A few of us, your views is okay, but the profit doesnt start to affect how people, for example, in general money or in portland, oregon to about takes the think and act and using what we call influence stores or fake news or whatever, whatever do you want to use to, to convince them also to in the pull her eyes, the scores. Im to make it to call. It is stability. I dont see a rush i using to be honest with you. I dont see rushing using too much fake news. I mean like we have the trunk and she showed us i, i dont know what this close anymore because the pressure, i dont know what to say anymore. Only god knows what is true. We are now facing. You know, when i read something, i dont know i, i believe nothing. What i read in or whatever, only my mind or sometimes my mind is, is money to day because by others. And i dont know that it has them money if you like, its dose is not effect or any more, you dont know what these through as well. So everybodys using the best way to get their goals will be a true beef. Non true. Nobody else. Now the americans like to say that a perception is reality, and this is actually one of the ways they used to pose the world view onto the rest of the world. And i think one of the reasons why the russians launched a military operation in ukraine is to prove that the reality is reality. And if your security interest off threatened, you have to respond not just by words, but by actions disney rusher will succeed in that i research it. First operation during the transaction was the 1st year. And so trying to understand what, what, whats going on that you guys are also active very, very much into so you know, everybodys activity. And so, and this is a part of the war. Now its become the possible you, you dont use only can ethics use also can you read when the war through influence operation only can you when of conflicts through influence . All right, im sorry to have so in my view to the you know, to the for see and future without shooting bullets and without getting your money on your votes, there is no way to win anymore. Now i drew some parallels between these rarely, pl listing and conflict and the were in the ukraine. And i think one major difference is that whenever these rarely posting in strive goes kinetics, theyre always efforts to mediate or at least their calls for a cease fire. But in the case of your brain, we havent seen any meaningful efforts. You mentioned the statements by former is really government. There have been some utterings and all that. A capitals, but nobody gave it a real hard effort. Why not . Why not . Yeah, well i, i think that the you, russia and ukraine did not receive your claim if brand is not the loan. Because ukraine is somehow authorized that slash money to later, bye bye and american solved by western countries. And the, and the, the, the, the, the months of fuel could i in or is that asking out and, and not acceptable by the, by our shop. They the, it does not match, you know, they want to go to the board the so from 9091 or something they dont. And it does not much. So as long as, and they stay on those 2 bullet points if it went up to and it doesnt matter if you bring that money out to the table to bring someone else to the table trying to and get terms between the size. It has to be, you know, ive read recently and then the last days that there is, there is a reduction in european se population. So both for to continue supporting your claim. And that is that addiction in american support to continue to support the current and just see what happens with the logic now in, in the corporate us in the, in america. And maybe, uh, maybe the, you know, the restaurants is a huge part of us. I dont mess with the russians and, you know, maybe uh, but also sort of way think they have enough energy to wait on things. Uh, you can use one of them or say, okay, a bundle. We stopped. This is extra level. So i think a very interesting parallel because uh for many years uh the United States, despite claiming the trials it has been squarely on israel side. But uh, more recently, uh, the american support for israel hasnt been voted, but it has become less prominent. Maybe less for right before friday. Do you think this thing could happen to ukraine . Because i know youve been the very strong advocate of self sufficiency. When it comes to israel on defensive. What do you think your credit has any . First of all, i want to fiddle for regarding isnt it im, im, im is advocate for many is that isnt, i should not rely on anyone for its defense. Is an actual defend itself by itself. We, we dont need all the time. You do that without the americans to force financial the board, the military in our independence will. Okay. In 48 and we will 600000 people against a huge the minute the effect on the side for from out of states trying to conquer the joyce, the small to a settlement. Thats what the things that i, i say im, im sure we can do it because we have a behind us 3000 years of history and weve managed and we wanna manage. And the, i dont know theyre about to create new client is relying, you know, im just, so that the numbers to 55000000000 dollars of america to support from the us through the last couple of us. And this is a normas amounts of money. So i dont think that you could, im just going to abandon is a, its a what they perceive as the eliza on, you know, and, and, and i hope that the nato is not pushing too much to enter. Youre putting into an 8 to this, we escalate the situation completely into the position. I think we have a, i will not throw out even the use of nuclear. You know, its, its, its very sensitive distortions, very sensitive. And i, i really, we, i dont people of peace, you know, we all one piece. And i hope that will be found the peaceful solution for the confidence in russian. Well, uh, the difficulty with finding the peaceful solution is that its not just about the conflict of interest. Theyve conflict it in russian, ukraine. Its also about, you know, brother architecture in europe and i think the look the, the, the, and the we had now discussions about the, the, the issue that america has been with an isaac, its donna and making it as a military monetizing means that isaac, the economy and the, and, and this creates a counseling revolution, china and russia, india and other right. You know, but as in south america, the south africa, im sorry to also south america at 12 to create an independent financial and framework not to rely on the dollar enough to rely on. And this i think, is going to be their reactions for you. And in the end, it may be a, its most, although thats where im not the, you know, it is only focusing on the American Economy because it said we need some kind of more redundant. See in this, well, are self sufficiency or equality of a eightys and we have learned also for on this will you know, that the, the, the Health System of ukraine has been destroyed by the russians breakfast. And the, and the, and the, you know, this is so not only get go so can, how can easily, by our writings. And we have to find ways for to secure our Health System for attempt to go and listen. Done secured for supply. Allison, done. And to make sure that is rarely self sufficient, was it as much as it can . Can i ask you one last question because israel also has to think about winning the so called hearts and minds of the people. On the other side, do you think theres anything that russia can authentically offer it to ukraine to increase the chances of a settling on a National Basis and possibly keeping the big american proxy a b . Is there a i would presume to nothing at all . It would be presumptuous to me to, to try to advise that are simple im, im asking about your opinion. Yeah. My opinion, but i have to, you know, when i have to intervene and it has to be based on something with what i dont feel that my base is sort of enough about the conflicts. Im, as i told it, with my, my main, my main concern about is about our conflicts and how to manage. For example, i know that it will be very difficult for the fact the when the house and minds of the items, okay. The coffee is very, very deep and the which is not very deep in the, in your crime between, you know, most of you could, i have some options. Yeah. You know, well, thats a very, yeah, you know, the wrong with the numbers or manuals incidence options. Well, they dont consider themselves russians any more. Absolutely, about the story key that they what else, what historically, i mean many and the one on caesar, oakley, i ment, okay, this is the last, as i would, exaggerates 100 years. And while we are with the on up, so we have to study such a, you know, so ill conflict these deeper is i understand that its easier to getting tennessee they will kind of go so far when then these are still getting terms without a while. I hope to be honest with the policy number because without ups and just seeing that then, you know, is the, is ling medical. So is the, with the around the corner of the agreements and with the, the saudi, or maybe an hour. Hopefully, we will have to be solved the area and try to isolate the policy and an issue with the out of issues, which is very important for us as well as how the, both of this conflicts us settled in our lifetime lifetimes, mississippi, the f one to make you less that the you dont, you have case mike. I have kids. I told them look, youre heavy enough. Also, you eventually will have, you know, well, uh im not the, im really uh well, uh, i dont know if its a neltson mistake or a pessimistic nose, but we have to live with there. Thank you very much for being with us. Thank you for watching pope this. Here again was a part the, the in 1898. You know, the new punch. It really kind of became a us colony, but still retained its own cultural identity and speak in favor of independence. We be thrown into prison today, close to half its population, the grow, the residence of was a retail have new representation in congress and con the u. S. President ial elections like okay, were gonna make you american citizens, which you didnt ask for, or even if we were Office Citizenship with had and we would prefer when once again, it was in his twenties, he chose defiance that hes homelands independent. We felt that we could generate more of a spirit of resist rather than submissive except reality that we fell asleep. Shot didnt leave him fear. My sorry that i decided to fight for my country. No, im not good. I have done things differently. Yes, absolutely. Do i now think that violence is not the means to achieve anything . Absolutely. Take a fresh look around his life. Kaleidoscopic isnt just a shifted reality distortion by tell us to do vision with no real opinions. Pictures designed to simplify will confuse who really wants a better wills, and is it just as a chosen few. Fractured images, presented as 5 can you see through their illusion going underground can since the stones of the special military operation in ukraine, thousands of volunteers have gone to the was on Russian Troops from civilians. From thats anyways, i seem to be moving a sweet group on is im losing this wizard because of the some of those will bites. And most of the said, please do give me a very serious to cook, where they need to cook with master cookie of the International Mode we all together. You know, its the people from all over russia. Pleasurable intuitive. These would it would speak to, you know, wouldnt be the one that related in the automated zillow room. There are risking their lives. 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