We are in contract, the land of fire breathing volcanoes. Volcanoes vividly capture the imagination and they define our lives much more than you would expect. So what are they capable of and what makes contract as volcanoes stand up, the the hello and welcome to the cross software. All things are considered. Im peter lavelle. The tide appears to be turning against the green. The counter offensive is a stunning failure. Future western funding for the proxy war is in doubt and european voters and started to vent their displeasure for a conflict designed and promoted by their leads. Is this the beginning of the in the cross talking ukraine and the west . Im joined by my guess, Larry Johnson in tampa. He is a managing partner at burg, associates and a former c. I. A analyst and Us State DepartmentCounter Terrorism official. In belgrade we have stephen diets. He is a Research Associate at build rates institute for European Studies and in sydney, we crossly simone wake up. He is a political activist including a contributor and host of the ozzy comstock show on t and the news radio. Wright gentleman costs are girls in effect. That means it can jump anytime you want, and i always appreciate it. Lets go 1st. So larry, in tampa. Well, it looks like the western, the leads project known as ukraine is hitting some speed bumps. Is it . Is it fair to say this is the end of the beginning, or i being too optimistic, larry . No, i think is there the, the, the key thing is how long will the west continue to try to pour money into this . Thats the only thing thats keeping you create a float without western aid. So theyve all last a week now. And so what youre starting to see in washington is what was once unified support has freight and afraid significantly, the congress is now, at least some members of congress are willing to use ukraine and some leverage and the amount of funds that once were readily available have shrunk so yeah were, were looking at the, the light at the end of the tunnel is not a non rushing trade secret. Lets go to you and, and bell. Great. I mean it. Lets talk about your neighborhood. Slovakia had an election mr. Pico, his good. Come out on top of be very much expected though, at the very last minute about the exit polls said something different. Is there some kind of shenanigans going on there . But at least for the time being his party, one way hungry is in the same category here. Whats going on with the so called western unity of the brain war is. Busy only an avatar for a bigger picture, and that is the end of the parasitic system, the end of near colonialism, which is happening everywhere. And of course its happening in, in europe, in eastern europe, in particular. The small box uh that you just mentioned just had enough of, uh, being bullied by brussels and by the United States. To be quite frank. Uh, and constantly, uh, ordered to give more and more of their weapons money. And everything that is needed for the globalized cost, which is the ukranian war. And the they had enough, they simply had enough, so theyve bolted somebody who wants to land this kind of a rental status. Thats the lock. Yeah. As well as many other, most of your being countries come towards a towards washington. So now what we see is only the beginning of the process that will continue. However, i do expect that there will be a backlash. I think that the, the, the system that is pulling up barnesville, do every thing create more use. Busy only in order to preserve what they have, i absolutely agree with you. Theyre not gonna go down without a fight, no way. And they head to mon will not give up easily. Lets go to sydney some updates. One of the interesting things about this is we were talking about with slovakia and hungry and we had a politico in the last new cycle come up with 2 stories in politicos, probably the most pro war outlet and there is out there. No arms left for ukraine in europe and also the funding crunch is coming here. And these are the most pro war people ad political here is a sign of the times that there will be beginning to think about changing the situation. Go ahead and sydney a look, i think that this is a race to the bottom. What were going to say next is a competition between western powers west and the latest to get out of the conflict 1st. Its a matter of whos going to be holding the baby loss. And for example, in australia, out prominent style, been easy just yesterday, williams, and hes sending in the drying systems, the crime. And everyone in australia is saying, well, hang on, a 2nd on the american sign is stopping money. The british, the germans hungry irish luck, everyone is turning their backs. And the problem is through this, try to have been able to use these on the very heavy criticism because as trends that want to be left last housing, the baby and facing, for example, a russia lets just price it on the right or with it with a coalition of whoevers left that the smart laid is that the people in charge of wisdom, countries who have a little bit of a foresight. Well, they can say that this is a very Good Opportunity to withdrawal, to say stop and get out of the situation before they left on the run with the landscape. Well, larry and anyone, that part of the so called coalition that well withdraws will be punished by the United States friend or foe. Larry, in the United States has been a one to know, charlie, you know, there was a saturday night live skit several years ago with Christopher Walken and even that every time you come out the band was playing and, and we tell them we need more cal bill yeah, well, i remember it. Yeah. That was all the wayne data ourselves. Thats a long time ago, but its a good one. Yeah. Keep going. Yeah. But because thats been the western strategy, they call for more cal, but with it, which its just a matter of for you only get the right weapons, the system and package and in the hands of ukrainians, then theyll be able to run off with it and defeat the russians, and it doesnt matter whatever Weapon System is, is sent over whether its the m triple 7 artillery pieces or the high mars, or the f. 16 or the m one abrams tank or the leopard or the challenge, or you dont have trained ukrainians that can operate that equipment. And then the russians have affective fire from both artillery, fixed wing aircraft. Theyre destroying it, right and left. So theres not the west has this military fantasy this been based upon, you know, 30 years of beating up on what i call little round people around the world who didnt have artillery, who didnt have fixed wing aircraft. Now theyre come confronting a kind of war that they havent, nobody alive has seen it. The last time they saw anything like this was in world war 2 on the backs and we didnt have drones. Well, its steve and then then, you know, there are collective wisdom here. It, it tells me this is just the graph this, keep it going on as long as i get a funded. Okay. Mean they, the outcome is obvious here. Okay, how we get there . Thats a different story, but as long as the money is there, why not take it . The outcome is obvious, but what i am afraid of is, uh the, uh, lets say a soccer therapy or the shock event that might, you know, flip the attention so of ukraine is over. Now lets move to some other spot. I mean, nobody is asking today what happened with the uh, with the whole a call the thing. And uh, if are the reports about certain vaccines being deadly true or not . Because now we have this big war and a lot if Something Else comes and then nobody will even notice that you grain is as the it does is faded away somewhere in the horizon. So what i think is that every trick in outside of the book will be used in order to prolong the situation because the hazard money is definitely over. And the countries all over the world and the peoples are all over the world are in this i would say only ration movement. And theyre trying to observe successful in, in, in the, in fighting grow this a new colonial system. But that is why i think we might see some, some events uh that uh, that might try to divert attention. So what im looking at now is the region of caucuses and, and the pacific. Because it seems to me that maybe even the bulk of where i am, uh, because it seems to me that after the fail counter offensive, there is a desperate need to divert rushes energy and also the uh to, to try to ruin the coalition that are trying to be performed, especially i think that the, the middle east of itself focused with locals are volatile now, which is why thing that the, the attention of not only the United States, but also great britain, even more and some other western countries are being focused on. Yeah, its about one of the things also that im worried about is a false flag operation, because i think thats the last card that the u. S. Can play, we had north stream, but theres some other things they can do just to divert attention and add to it, make it the, you know, pro democracy against the talker. So you get that message back online, go ahead and send me as well. Russians mainly extremely careful and heads off to the Russian Military and the leadership in russia for how careful theyve been. It have been almost 0 attacks on civilians and people in the west understand that even the initial stages of especially the russian people are sympathetic because they fill up the full marks of the russian armies being unlaced in a world war to install the sports the policy was that evidently was not true, and people in the west, in australia, for example, they say now that russia is the good guy. And i want to add to the opinions that definitely the opposition in the west, particularly in australia, is very growing. Its uh, expanding and in terms of the back of the look, the honestly uh, forced mandates in relation to the kinds of vaccines. People do not trust the government. People dont trust the government at all. Now. Theres a trend in australia. Youve got people who support funding zalinski well they support locked down by support. Ready very masks, they support the yes to the referendum which is coming up in australia in 7 days. And on the other side, the majority. Now the growing majority, you have people who are saying no to the able to easy governments referendum no to anything. The governments trying to propose, not to all of the to tell terry measures which the government tax and thats an inductor nation of jewels. And thats the oldest propaganda which is taking glass notes. And most importantly, not through supplying any weapons any is trying to weapons or any is tried in money of a safety, a crime. Its probably the lowest now polling in relation to support for a Stratum Development of the war. And, and thats a great thing for us. Its a terrible thing for you crime. But its also a great thing for australia because australia is a sick of seeing the demilitarization of australia. Australia doesnt have a lot, just try, doesnt have any weapons. Lets try to send him triple 7 systems drugs. Me solves even a bush. Last is a 2500000. 00 each. And the estrada simply does not have as the weapons to be involved in a world like this in the decline im. Im glad you brought up co would because the a, cobit and ukraine. These are a lead agenda is that were not popular and no one voted down. The gentleman im going to jump in here. Were going to go into a short break. And after that short break, well continue our discussion on ukraine and the west state without the take a fresh look around his life. Kaleidoscopic isnt just a shifted reality. Distortion by power to division with no real opinions. 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Were all things are considered on peter level to remind you were discussing ukraine and the west. The ok, lets go back to larry in tampa just to kind of stress the. This is an elite agenda. I thought it was really quite interesting is that we had the election outcome in slovakia, and then we had Joseph Burrell in care of saying, you know, europe a, b, u is behind the ukraine. I mean, you have, you know, the electorate saying one thing, and then you have the so called Foreign Policy person who is of the food essentially a mr. Mcgrew saying hes speaking for all of the you. I mean, you cant get more of a contradiction than that. Go ahead, larry. But the united United States and nato, really, theyre struggling with at the you because they had this plan and it was a plan based on hope. Now that they thought that they could put enough product that number one being built ukraine up as a military, they could defeat russia at least in their minds. They didnt really look at it appropriately, but thats another matter. The 2nd, they thought the food and add very weak support, that the russian economy was running on fumes. You know, the famous its, its a country masquerading as a gas station. And what has happened in the course of confronting russia and imposing both the economic sanctions and then throwing every thing they have from a military standpoint, short of nuclear weapons, or putting nato troops on the ground. Its all blown up in the face. And the notion to put it in nato troops on the ground would mean that they were more effective fighters than ukrainians. Its just nonsense. Its ridiculous because the fact of the matter is we have a 30 year history now of watching us troops and nato troops. And places like iraq and afghanistan, the spells to quell people who did not have the same kind of intelligence support. And so is surveillance, capabilities and weaponry. And so here in the, on the thing here is the ukrainians are actually taking advice from these clowns. Yeah, it was, im putting these plans that have not want to conflict. I mean, again, you know, see partners and not appear power. Stevie you to one of the things that is very curious here is that as the counter offensive has failed, one has to wonder. Refresher is going to take advantage of it. One could make the argument then slowly, but surely what the special military operation is succeeding. But, you know, there, ill be honest with you living here in russia, there is frustration. Russians feel that they have the capacity to end this and they would like to see it. And stephen, the russians were reluctant from the beginning. I mean, this might sound ridiculous, but basically i think we came to this point because russians were the eggs. Busy listing every possible way to just not escalate. So what they did, they went through this means could re minutes for a for 7 or 8 years and they were tricked. And uh, at the end they had to resort to military intervention, which was obvious back in 2008, when in bucharest, nato decided to, to integrate the ukraine and georgia, which was a direct to a recipe for a disaster. And for a future war that is happening right now. So what the west did, it actually forced russia to completely, i would say this for or destroyed the combined ukrainian natal forces on the 33rd here of the former soviet republic or the crane. I think that this will only mean this, this part of the global war will and waved Russian Troops in kiev and probably on the bulge border. Same on in, in, in sydney here what i think it was last week of foreign minister law brock said the west, whats the conclusion in ukraine on the battlefield . And he said, well, thats fine with us here. And i and im agreeing with what we heard with steven here mean the west. Ready want peace, they never talk about peace. They only talk about russians defeat, which is not going to happen. So, you know, all of this western support for ukraine is destroying ukraine. Go ahead and send me a i think what the problem is that the west was never really, truly committed to fighting russia. It was all about adventures signaling someone. Ready well, i know somebody come on, no, im no, i, i, i, well, i wouldnt have the variation on that. They, they wanted to fight russia, but they wanted someone else to do it. I think thats the whole, thats what it was. The gap in here keep going, go ahead exactly what i mean. They were happy to say ukrainians died and these mess cemeteries that are well that when you cry, once these territories liberated, waiting to have monuments stand plaques to those deep writing and soldiers decided these men died because of nights or is actually night to be killed. They tons of thousands of ukrainians all around the country. Very sad because russia never wanted that. We know the right the why the russians start the new diversion. In fact, Russian Troops on the 24th of february, 2020 to many of the rest of the room for said don, should i do crying in soldiers at all . Because we expected them to surrender. Well come and join outside. We were filled with the you for you from crime. Yeah. And that was the expectation. And at the end of the day, now the night to has gone its price. They shun the whole world, but its its weapons of inferior. Its tactics that inferior russia, on the other hand, images out of this conflict as a very strong country. Its the most because i, strong distrust has ever been military production levels are back to where they were in the soviet union dies. Russia has the most ad drive at tech and Defense Systems in the world because what i said, that is, be a good job. You will, of course, but russia has the experience, the rest of the country in the world that has been using drugs and also defending against drugs and such a capacity. So we emerge at a be special with depression, with russia being the much well prepared out of any country in the world for a future logic conflict, which is probably around the corner. This is probably a very similar situation to the soviet finish wall, which preceded the 2nd world war the right by try to cool web. It was necessary to have some mistakes, learn some mistakes, costly, but then it improves deposition in the future. So russia is most prepared out of all the countries now, and i think the rest of these in very 5 morales is most important thing. The russian people are running behind the president , the russian knew it. Series reading and russia is its, its sort of a post itself of track this page, the sofa of these today, and then use the f as be reported that it ran and come, jessica was arrested and stripped of his russian citizenship. Now this is a very Interesting Development that this is happening there actually now stripping people of russian citizenship for a extremism for calling for the murder of reference or a tax on russia. And of course, as my surprise of this man was an ex ukrainian who received directions as in 714. So within russia, inside is fantastic. The you can cite the advancement and rushes receiving all these hidden unlocked bonuses, cruise and started with certain objectives, demilitarized rice, and then thats cation of the price. But hes also dealing with arise, a whole wave of nights, or countries, the east. And the reason why the luxury of poland as trying to even if theyve all been demilitarized. Yeah, well, larry, that also this conflict is, is revealed whats happening in nazi occupied canada which is a tough which is a, a topic of another program which ive already done. But its very interesting we, you know, we heard from some of them that you know, the russians have learned from their mistakes. I agree. Well, natal learn from its mistakes, larry. Now theres a flat learning curve. Yeah. What kind of the, a real resistance. In fact, i, i am aware that you, the us military right now has been carrying out some exercises there preparing to go to war with china. I made, it sounds mad. It sounds insane, but they have not learned anything from this conflict in the war and ukraine. They made the calculation number one, recognize ukraine, represented. Even though it wasnt an official member of nato, it represented the 2nd Largest Military force in nato. And they sincerely believed that they could launch it against russia, that the, the russians would collapse because the Russian Military, according to the western intelligence, was a hollowed out shell. Only lead with people who had been conscripted against their will and were a bunch of criminals anyway. And that it would just rapidly collapse and implode, plus russia didnt have any ability whatsoever to produce muscles that fire one or 2 and itd be done. But well, it was all a lie. And whats so shocking about this is that the west, the western intelligence did not correctly identify the real capabilities of russia had. And what to do. And so now theyve cruise the single hand at least destroyed. What was a us Led International order and have now created the pulse for one or 2 thing is done, its died. And were, and were witnessing that the rise of a new genuine, both type all the world. Well, its even, youre, youre living in europe. I mean, what has the average european citizen gotten from all of this mean . Theyre always saying, sacrifice the lead, say sacrifice may never sacrifice the leads. Never. Okay. And but well, you know, what is, what are people in slovakia . What in hungry in poland, in, in your country . What it, what is the, the upside of all of this . I cant see any non 0 serves being given into wars with nato during the 9th. These are probably an exception to the rule. But in europe 1st, they were fed with propaganda and i thing now theyre fed up with anger because of the Living Standard is following. And there is no point and no progress from this the, from the standpoint of where they begin with that ukraine is defending the free world. I mean, the old basically the, the, the, the old of miss. Busy spartans being individualistic, europeans who are fighting against these hordes from, from, from a design. So, all that was exactly what people are use basically, again. Yeah, yeah, thats absolutely right. Weve been here before. Keep going, keep going. I mean, the same wheres the same . No european identity are going to use it. Lets look at the nazi propaganda in the countries outside of germany occupied by the germans or allies, the through the germans. It looks exactly the same there, you know, a european unit, the, i guess the, the, these evil 100 miles from the east and so on. So i think that the, this is all falling apart. And at the same time with the global and the ive actually the globally such as im the following, i think we are seeing already and well see more and more on internal disputes and, and got those wants to be quite honest in the future when it comes to western European Society is in particular because uh the leads are, have a time and again failed. Their walters failed their citizens. And as somebody well have to, to be responsible for this. And i think that the citizens will try to do so. However, the societies are quite divided among many lines within themselves, and that is why i think we expect some kind of at the same decades of mathematics. A style. Well, i mean, well, well, well ill, ill be very modest. I, ill be happy just to see the end of nato that would like, ill take that record when i can get it. Okay, thats all the time we have gentlemen. I want to thank my get some bell by 10, by and, and said meet. And of course i want to thank our viewers for watching us here at r t c. And next time, remember prospect rules the the of the same rom, just dont you have to shape house to the application and engagement equals the trail. When so many find themselves will support. We choose to look for common ground, the needs to come to the rushing state. Never as tight as im one of the most sense. Be the best ingles ill send, send up the keys 195 and speed. The one else calls question about this, even though we will fan in the european union, the kremlin machine, the state on the rush for the day and split the ortiz full neck. Even our video agency, roughly all the band on youtube, the Fitness Center for the question, did you say even closer to the washington political unity is in tatters. As an, as a historic move in the us, House Speaker is ousted from his post allegations of a secret funding deal for ukraine. Despite public touches to put american interest. First. Some of my colleagues are only willing to stand up and fight for world border. If it gets in billions to ukraine to fund their border to well, ive had enough of that, and thats why i brought this motion to vacate the crane. Risk being left hung out to dry when it comes to future aid for its war efforts by the collect, the west, which now admit to can no longer afford to provide here with money and to women. And israel demands canada. 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