Explanation . And further with some of the biggest economies in the world, come a variation of a u. F o task force assigned to it. Does the sheer existence of these governmental groups around the world mean these governments know something the public does it. So here to discuss, the latest developments in the cosmos is the foremost expert in astro physics. The professor at Harvard University director of the institute for theory and computation, the head of the gal, a later galileo project. His newest book is out now its called interstellar, dr. All the low is with us. Dr. Load such a pleasure to have you 1st. Can you explain for us the purpose of your recent c expedition near matters island . What you found there, and what this means in the greater context of evidence that there is life beyond are on january 8th, 2014. The Us Government, the identified fire board from a meet your an object thats correlated with that and exploded about the 22, all of this over the Pacific Ocean. And then whats, whats special about the speed yours that he was moving very fast relative to the sun. In fact, it was moving outside the solar system. 1 the 95 percent before the stars, its 60, keep on with this the 2nd. And that implied that these interests that are in origin that they came from outside the solar system. The 1st object recognize the search from 2015 almost a decade ago in the Us Government. Besides the confirming the, this, the origin. They also provided information they thought about the fireball that allows me in my undergraduate student of yours, the right thing fair that these meet your was tougher than on space rocks recorded by nice uh over the past decade, 272. 00 of them. So not only was the fast, it was also tough material strength, and thats raise the possibility that maybe its like voyager that we launched out of the solar system and that, that will potentially collide with another planet. You know, a few 1000000000 years a, maybe its a spacecraft. So to find out, i lived an expedition to the Pacific Ocean at the location of the meat your path. And then the idea was to search the ocean floor for any remnants, any fragments. As farrell a small droplets from the surface of the object when he was exposed to the mens heats from the 5 or a few percent of the he or she, my opponent ball released into 500 kilograms of matter. And we rented to ship a few things because the silver star, and we collected a sled that we built up with magnets on both sides through a cable for the ship. And we drag the sled on the ocean floor back and forth along thank you. Along with those in length, and we did it 26 times. And amazingly, we recover those more than droplets that are less than a medium meter in size. Uh, they were concentrated along the expect to meet your path. And then they appear to be mostly circling shape very distinct from volcanic ash that was much more abundant. But we also collected with our magnets. And by now we have 727. 00, such as fear of these metallic marbles less than a medium either. Inside each of which weighs less than a milligram. And then we are examining their composition. The significance is that its the 1st time that humans put their hands on the materials. Often large object, bigger than half a meter that came from outside the solar system. We are trying to find out whether the composition of these pharaohs is of materials that came from outside the solar system. Thats the 1st question. And the 2nd question is whether it was already fish telling origin. Just imagine the was the voyager being melted, the droplets that would result from that would be very different from the droplets from an iraq. And the same is true for melting, semi conduct, or super and as well as the computer screens. So we can in principle, tell the difference between a technologically manufactured device and a role, and we hope to find the answer in the coming weeks. So ive seen a recent analysis of various u. F. O sightings from around the world. Uh, based on the number of reports in the 20th century, up until now ill call it a heat map for lack of better description. But it seems you a p sightings, or these reports at least come from all over the world. But the greatest concert ration of those reports seem to come from English Speaking nations. Any hypothesis on what, why this might be . Well, and then defied a normal phenomena are probably a mixed bag, and most of the events are likely to be related to balloons or drones. And these might be identified in a highly populated regions where people look at the sky a lot. And so the 1st, the a correlation, this one finds is with population density. And we see per month or in this guy. And that is draw for military personnel as well. Of the reasons that are towards the most of the ones that have the highest number of faults. And so we should fox of the south. But as of now, we dont know if there is any clustering of an identity fight phenomenon, because then we are, they were, or the next door to the people by chance happened to be at the right place at the right time to ne and object that cannot be identified and much better approaches, a systematic search across the entire sky and over time. And thats what we are doing in the gallery. Noah projects we built in observatory the morning source of the sky. 247 in the infrared in the off because then you read your and even all of your and from that we can infer the background how many objects that, that have explanations like birds, drones, balloons, airplanes. How many of those costs that use the background and whether there is anything that appears to be unusual. And if there is, we can figure all this stuff these, these how rhetoric is right . I think through the background, this is this a difficult way of studying unidentified phenomena. And then as of now it was never followed. And so they got a, you know, project is chopping new grounds and we have one working observatory. But we planned to make more copies of it, and of course we, we analyze the data using the machine, learning Artificial Intelligence, this software to make it also made its way thatd be filed objects based on computer auditory things. Now in recent years, reports from so called whistle blowers, or former government officials or even military had begun to surface. There had been congressional hearings over these claims recently. For example, a former Us Air Force Intelligence officer called david gresh. He recently testified to having seen evidence of you a piece and asserted that the Us Government was covering it up. He went as far as saying, the pentagon has recovered quote, non human biologics. Then it is real high and it should the former head of the Israeli Defense ministry, the space director at their, he said publicly in 2020. He said this quote, there is an agreement between the Us Government and aliens. They signed a contract with us to do experiments. Here a shed is effective. We say extra terrestrial life exist, and they have made contact with humans. Now, as of yet nobody, no government has ever produced any concrete evidence to back these claims. You study the cosmos. How do you interpret all these revelations as a site this. B am guided by evidence and as of now we havent seen convincing evidence. Indeed the coming from governments that we see fuzzy image is the most convincing. Its quite possible that there is classified data other these far more convincing because the governments money for this guy for National Security purposes, and they would be the 1st not these things. With our new truck astronomer scientists are focused on smaller regions of the sky. If any given time and they look very far away, its distance forces, so they, you, nor anything near earth. And so its quite possible the Us Government would be the 1st of all, this is some unusual or phenomenon and also retrieve materials from them. But we havent seen that the evidence and the question is, does it exist . And david gras says it does. And he spoke with 40 people that were involved in programs and for a tribute and reverse engineering of these materials, according to him, a fed alien spacecraft. Uh and uh, he uh, was asked to provide Contact Details for those people that he knows what involved then. He promised to give them to representatives in the us congress and thats all for us to pass for the in the sense that they can go to these contacts and figure out what lies behind his claims. And if we dont hear anything within a year, we would know that there were fabricated stories. If we do, if there is anything behind them is there is any fire behind the floats. We will find out soon enough within the coming year. And of course is assigned these. I dont rely on the government for information about their settle space. I would like to collect my own evidence, the skies not classified the ocean, so not testified. Thats why i need to get to know project where we are hoping to find Scientific Data that we tell us whether unidentified numbers phenomena exists in the expedition that we have to the Pacific Ocean. As an example of an attempt to collect materials from an unusual object thats collided with their yes, that is true. Good point. Nobody owns space. All right, coming up next, governments around the world, say they exist, but they wont quite say they dont either. So they have task forces setup to monitor. Well discuss that when we return with dr. R. V low. Keep it right here in the m a. Well be right down. The i look forward to talking to you all that technology should work for people. A robot must obey the orders given it by human beings, except were so shorter is that conflict with the 1st law show your identification. We should be very careful about visual intelligence. And the point obviously is to place a trust rather than fit the various jobs. I mean with the Artificial Intelligence we have summoning the theme and the robot must protect his phone. Existence was on the the, the, in the midst of the shower and the bone, the Soldier Monument was erected in 1947 in the estonian capital by the soviets authorities, origin. Any bells have found the burial site of troops remains. Its the memorials of the soldiers who gave their lives in world war 2 was the risk of the informing service. Give william forgive for really confused. In 2007, the stony government decided to relocate the monument from the city center. Remember, when youre on the front of me to a, to where in the frustrated to move divided the population. Estonia is law. Russian speaking community strongly opposed. Its an intense rising pro college and tell in these have since become the as the problems night drives me to bring people across the username and the welcome back to the m o m l a chance its a he said she said, or in this case civilian say one thing, and the government says another. So without a Firm Admission that aliens have come to earth, places like the u. S. And china have create a task forces to surveil the skies and investigate alleged sightings. Meanwhile, cynics say, all of this is merely a distraction for government failures all around the globe to dr. Ivy low astro physicist and author of the new book interstellar is back with us. Thank you for sticking around, dr. Low. So while governments around the world dont outright knowledge, even the potential existence of extra terrestrial life, they wont go as far as creating these task forces to address a real phenomenon. And when the us, we have the new a task force in china, they have whats called an identified air conditions, team made up of both military and civilian sources, france, russia, the aforementioned as railways, and many other nations. The fact that these task forces even exist is that a soft or tacit admission in some way that the aliens might be out there. And do they pose a risk to National Security. Governments are interested the National Security and thats why they have these task forces to figure out whether these unusual objects that they might be seeing or hearing reports about represent technologies the adversaries. And it was this that these, their main motivation, the governments are not scientific organizations, they cannot help us interpret the devices that come from interstellar space. And by the way, these devices, if they come from far away from thousands of light years away, they dont care how we split the land on this rock that we happen to be born on the earth. Its completely irrelevant from a distance. And so its mostly a matter of National Security, whats left or any visiting probes for romance. This then civilizations should be scientific knowledge that the shed by all humans on earth. And then therefore, if governments do possess some information or materials that represent the something of the game from outside the solar system, they should provide those details to scientists who can make sense of these materials. And then obviously it wouldnt be of great importance for the future of humanity because we, we know that we have neighbors in our caustic environment. It may change our behavior. If you think about living in a family that feels isolated and going off to the back yard and then suddenly noticing a tiny sport that was thrown by a neighbor, it doesnt make sense to hide that information from your family members. You want them to know that they have a neighbor because they might choose to close the curtains on the windows for privacy reasons, all the time i choose to go out of the home and visit those neighbors and perhaps land insights from them. But if any event there might be a time when these neighbors to be knock on your front door or affect your home. And so you really want to know in which neighborhood you live in. Well, well, you have as your neighbors, that these scientific knowledge that is similar to knowing that the earth moves around the sun. If you ever want to go to mars, you bet the recognize that because otherwise, your space product will never reach the destination. Ours. If you thing, but march or beach, the earth, if you have some unrealistic view that the earth is at the center of the universe and thinking that we are the small office that ever existed since the big bag is steaming, are in the way of thinking that we are the center of the unit thats now going back to your madness island expedition. And i know the spirituals. You and your team recovered. They are currently out at labs right now. But if the lab findings indeed turn up that these, these spears came from outside our solar system, or perhaps even artificial or manufactured, meaning they were, they were made some how not that you or your team created them. Could this be something that would trigger governments around the world to begin crafting policy on how to address alien life forms like a, a Geneva Convention for a t . If we do have convincing evidence based on materials that indeed we are not that long, and that there is a small or cheat on our quotes, sneak block, it would be time for us to sing more broadly about how we behave and we might develop a straight patients for space because its someone that arrived at our front door, we better think about arriving at their front door and learning more about their whereabouts. And it really depends on what we find. If we find a functioning digits, we can learn how its works. It will be like having a glimpse of our technological future in case the centers are far more advanced than we are. Uh, it would involve the Artificial Intelligence at the level of the far exceeds what we have at this moment. But its even space trash would educate us about the abundance of such shit objects and how, how many civilizations may have exist is around us. And altogether, if we change the way we behave and i called for the better because it makes little sense for us to fight with each other, add to the new she h worst, wait, Waste Resources on military budgets. When there is a much more advanced neighbor far away, that they could be just something about space. And i think altogether, if we change that most certainly our perceptions above our place in the universe, our religious beliefs, both possibly but also world politics. And i hope that it would bring it to a better place where given the global perspective, given the fact that we realize that in space there, there are more things, more real estate, more exciting developments than here on of the we, we are Work Together because we are all equal members of the human species. Were all in the same boat. The both is the earth moving through space as the ocean of space. And i got to realize that when i was on the ship on the boat in the Pacific Ocean where all the members of the team worked together for a successful mission. And so if we realize that the earth is a both and we are all in the same boat, and there is someone else out there and we might want to visit that someone and it would give us a sense of being in the same boat. Its in working together. Lastly, a philosophical question for you. There are a number of scientists in your field who have receded your findings thus far, even rebuking you personally. But there are late persons all around the world too, who also absolutely rule out even the idea that there is life beyond earth much less intelligent life. And there are others who absolutely believe they exist. And then there are people like me who are simply open to the idea, but arent convinced one way or the other at this point. So regardless of what camp they fall in, humans all around the world are fascinated with the idea that aliens exist. We make movies about them, we write books about them and so forth. Why are we obsessed with this idea . Humans are fussing aided by the possibility that we might have a partner out there because it, we change our life and give us a different perspective about our existence. Its just like finding a partner in your private life, it changes your life and then insisting or arguing that we have no partner just by standing at home and saying, there is nobody else out there where hes at everybody the way and reconfirm the physicist us. Well, the truth is that to find others, you need to go to dating sites. At the very least, you need to look for your windows, then you better use that penis call or you go out to your back yard and search for any objects that came from the streets that might indicate that there are others out there. Just sitting at home and claiming worries, everybody is not the right approach. And thats what we have been doing over the past the 70 years since and rigorous. There me ask the question, where is everybody we were waiting for a phone call looking for radio signals that the mice might have transmitted in our direction. But for us, you need them to be active. Why your waiting . However, if they send packages that are in our mailbox in our back yard, we can find them irrespective of whether our sensors are still alive. And thats a completely different method for this im practicing right now as of now. And of course, you know, to get the barrels from the expedition took a few days for fedex and to deliver them to my home doorstep. But i realized that they took them and, and perhaps millions or billions of years to arrive to earth. And then it just gives you a different sense on, on your place if you figure this out. Now my point is that its not as are of opinion because we are talking about material evidence, the waste physics work. So people can have opinions, but eventually we should be guided by the evidence and its possible for us to connect it. People often say extraordinary claims require x on any evidence and they dont 6 the evidence. Thats why to support our argument. But the key is that extra, all these are you happy . This requires extra all the and already funding. And when such funding would be located the search, you know, there is a chance we would find low hanging fruit and thats exactly what im engaged in right now. Because people didnt do the search for objects in our back yard and do they got a little project was announced. And im glad to say that we already collected some of the areas and we are now studying them. So hopefully within the coming months, we will know more, and it may well be that its easier to find what lies in interstellar space at the bottom of the Pacific Ocean. Then it is to get it from politicians in washington dc. Dr. Ave low professor at Harvard University director of the institute for theory and computation head of the galileo project. Check out his newest book called interstellar, its out now. Thank you so much, abby. Alrighty. Usually this program aims to answer questions or fill in the gaps on the topics that we cover. But when it comes to this, i dont know, i may actually have more questions now than i did before we began. So well keep watching as this decades old debate continues to, that is going to do it for this episode of modus operandi the show that dig deep into Foreign Policy and current affairs. Im your host window. Chan. 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